Workings #77968 Magic

[AskSatanOperator]

In Zevizim, is it acceptable to perform spells that influence another person's will? For example, making someone fall in love with you and binding them to you. Even if it's not ethical, is the decision ultimately left to the will of the witch? Is this kind of spell harmful?

 

[Kyntara]

Yes.

But in my opinion, you should think about it a lot before doing a spell. Do you really love him/her? Will he/she want to be your bf/gf? For example it is not good to do a Love Spell for a guy who is married and has 3 children. Or don't do it if you'll spend 2 weeks with that person and then leave him/her. But binding a people to yourself doesn't sound good though.

Please think a lot about whether the relationship is possible. Before we try to influence the will of others, we should think about whether they want it or not. I wouldn't want someone I don't like to do a love spell on me.

 

[Anemos Aiteros]

The important thing is you, the Zevist. Whatever magical operation you start, the important thing is that you do not feel guilt.

 

[Astrid]

Zevism is a highly virtuous path and we choose to hold ourselves to high ethical standards, out of our moral grounds based on becoming higher beings under the Gods.
https://templeofzeus.org/EthicsOftheGods.php Respect and Social Ethics likely apply here, but do study through the whole section to understand our moral position.

What matters most with love spells is your desire to truly care for and love this person in return. As Kyntara said, think about your actual intentions and if you want to just casually date or hook-up with someone then do specific magick for that instead (magick for attracting suitable sexual partner/s etc., instead of performing a love spell on someone you don't actually want to romantically care for or would commit to loving back, which would be unethical).
There are many ways to find love, consider doing magick for attracting a partner most suitable for you (positive Synastry, having aligned values, etc.,). You might unknowingly 'bind' yourself to this person who may be unsuitable once you're actually together in a relationship, we typically use binding magick for serious cases like those warranting self-defence.

 

[Hárbarðr]

They are perfectly acceptable, however they are usually not the best ones to use with a few exceptions. Most of the people who want to use them are new or spiritually immature and haven't had any experience with other types of magick. That's the reason people usually don't recommend them.

For example binding someone to you to love you is something only immature people want to do. They are acting from their temporary obsession with a person and don't understand that they may get bored of him/her or that person may not turn to be as they imagined or that the person may become obsessed with them and ruin their life.

Regarding love matters, the best working to do is to do is a spell attract your perfect partner. A targeted love spell towards a specific person is almost always a myopic and bad thing, and I'm not implying any morality here only usefulness.

Other influencing spells may be good in certain situations, such as being framed for something that you didn't do and influencing the judge to not condemn you.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

In Zevizim, is it acceptable to perform spells that influence another person's will? For example, making someone fall in love with you and binding them to you. Even if it's not ethical, is the decision ultimately left to the will of the witch? Is this kind of spell harmful?

In Zevism we are free to get our beautiful karmic punishment if it is our free will. Free will is very important in Zevism because it teaches us the hard way to be responsible for our actions and make the right choice.

Yes, this kind of spell can be extremely harmful to another person according statistics of non-Zevist practices shown in the internet, including those abusing ToZ knowledge. Example. People can fall ill, be destroyed in the other spheres of life and die. 0% of such things results in any happy relationship according world statistics, some ends in domestic violence, and most do not end in any relationship at all. Those who are at the height of being worthy of using these things do not need them at all.

You are 100% responsible karmically for your every single choice in regards to other people. 7th house is about how we treated others in the past. For example you force people into anything. This action invokes will and power energy into the "other" sphere - the 7th. Planets of will and power are Mars and Pluto. You invoke these forces into your 7th by your own free will. Now look what Mars and Pluto usually do in 7th:

Mars: Its Signs, Houses and Aspects

Pluto: Signs, Houses and Aspects

Welcome to Justice.

 

[AskSatanOperator]

When I was a child, a love binding spell had been cast on my father. In fact, it wasn’t just one — there were several spells connected to Kabbalah as well. Because of these, he treated my mother badly and was unfaithful to her. When I was only thirteen, I performed a working to influence his will. I didn’t want him to leave us or cheat on my mother anymore — so I bound him to us. But what I did wasn’t based on Kabbalah; it was an energy-based working or something. Unfortunately, because I was exposed to magic and energy topics in my home from an early age, and the helplessness of that moment combined with the intense emotional burden and the environment, the working took hold. He’s still with us today. He didn’t leave. In that sense, the working “worked.” However, years later, I find myself wondering whether the work I did back then might have had any lasting effects on me. I’ve noticed physical signs — memory gaps, a sense of not being able to recall certain moments from that time. Then I wondered if this mistake I made was acceptable in my opinion in the Temple of Zeus. Of course, I will receive karmic punishment because I made this mistake. But that is not what matters to me. Will the gods forgive me?

 

[Hárbarðr]

Then I wondered if this mistake I made was acceptable in my opinion in the Temple of Zeus.

That's not a mistake, that was close to the right thing to do. I would do a binding to just to prevent him from harming your mother, not to force him to do anything, but you were a teen so didn't understand everything so it was ok.

Of course, I will receive karmic punishment because I made this mistake.

There's no "karmic punishment". Karma is a cause and effect thing, not a person who punishes you.

But that is not what matters to me. Will the gods forgive me?

There's nothing to forgive. Even if it were wrong (which wasn't) this is not a matter that concerns the Gods. The Gods don't watch over everything you do in your life in order to get angry over, because they're not sadistic like the fake Abrahamic god. Unless you do something directly against the Gods themselves or a person a high ranking God has under his/her direct protection (an important Zevist for example), you can be sure that the Gods don't care about it.

If there is something bad here is that you have guilt-ridden beliefs and project the sadistic Christian Abrahamic idea of god into our Gods, you just need to deprogram yourself from all of them.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

In Zevizim, is it acceptable to perform spells that influence another person's will? For example, making someone fall in love with you and binding them to you. Even if it's not ethical, is the decision ultimately left to the will of the witch? Is this kind of spell harmful?

Yes.

When you do something, you have to be sure that what you are doing is right.

Since you are Zevist, you should be guided by ethics: https://templeofzeus.org/EthicsOftheGods.php

There are different situations in life, sometimes other people just leave you no other choice, or you are in very bad circumstances, when from the point of view of the Gods you can apply such techniques, which in normal situations would be unethical, but in your situation may be the only way out to survive and restore justice.

In matters of ethics, I also try to be guided by the sermons of the High Priestess Maxine regarding love and black magic, without certain restrictions, which are emphasized by new members who apparently did not read Maxine's sermons well.

Other people may not know your situation, including me.

You have to look at your situation from the perspective of the Ethics of the Gods. https://templeofzeus.org/EthicsOftheGods.php and apply those methods that will be ethical in your situation.

Some people may not understand the complexity of your situation if you start describing it in detail, but you must remember that the Gods understand you. In any case, you should be guided by Ethics: https://templeofzeus.org/EthicsOftheGods.php

It is especially funny to read when some newcomers and old members (who do not remember Maxine's sermons about karma and what karma is in general) write that the improper use of love magic destroys someone's life and there will supposedly be some consequences from the point of view of karma, while forgetting that such people for example, Alexander the Great, whom our Gods love very much, had to kill thousands of people in the war, if not more, and such people naturally did not suffer any consequences in terms of karma.

There are also people who are currently fighting on the frontline between Russia and Ukraine, sitting in a trench. Obviously, in order to survive and return to their families, soldiers on both sides have to kill other people, those who shoot at you and kill your comrades.

It is very easy to write about Ethics without considering these and other situations, but if you apply Ethics and use common sense in each situation, you understand how you should act so that you act ethically https://templeofzeus.org/EthicsOftheGods.php

 

[Karnonnos [TG]]

It is especially funny to read when some newcomers and old members (who do not remember Maxine's sermons about karma and what karma is in general) write that the improper use of love magic destroys someone's life and there will supposedly be some consequences from the point of view of karma, while forgetting that such people for example, Alexander the Great, whom our Gods love very much, had to kill thousands of people in the war, if not more, and such people naturally did not suffer any consequences in terms of karma.

Lady Maxine has a title. While what you are saying about love spells and things on this level of basic reality is true, it is not true Alexander the Great had 'immunity from' karma.

The Son of Zeus was still subject to the Law of Ma'at. There are certain things going on in the narrative here.

None of this is or was an excuse for him not to be Alexander, however, to sit on the mountains of Thrace dressed in rags, despising the world and doing nothing. That is actually worse by any law of justice. I explain no more; people must figure it out.

Black magic has certain obvious restrictions. Lady Maxine never recommended doing this on anyone but as self defense and punishment of real crimes. Even with this though, some experiment with this and have to find out the limits.