Help of crucial knowledge is not free

[FancyMancy]

Greetings
Yesterday, our Senior Guardian, Alexandros Iowno, promised to share crucial knowledge that will greatly accelerate your advancement. To receive this knowledge, simply like and comment on the post below to express your interest and desire for it.
Good luck.

Vultus Templorum

ancient-forums.com

May I ask why we have to kiss arse (liking a post and asking) to receive help that is very important? Did I miss something? Maybe I should start charging for people to have the password to all my (irrelevant) posts, which I should lock. It doesn't make sense.

 

[FancyMancy]

Also this one -

Our Beloved High Priest Hooded Cobra, during an AMA talked about a Gamechanging meditational method.

It will be posted when the post that talk about this will reach 150 likes.
Engagement and activity is needed here.
Currently when I'm writing this post, we are at 52 likes.

You can find the post here:

Vultus Templorum

ancient-forums.com

This is going to help everyone evolve, you, the Community, and then as consequence, the World.

Also, repost my message here to the other subforums of various languages.

In the future there will be even more.
So let's all be active at the best of our power.

Hail Lord Zeus!

and no doubt others. I don't need to be thinking I'm a christian again. What am I going to be told that I am wrong about?

 

[Hidden Warrior]

Every meditation that our Clergy release is very important. Do you want this knowledge? At the moment I am writing this post, I haven't seen a reaction from you to that post. This speaks a lot.

These kind of requests from clergy works also as a kind of test to see the willingness of members to become active to earn something. Are we at the point where we don't have 150 members to press like to a post? Something achieved in a few seconds from anywhere you are.

Temple of Zeus have a Youtube channel. We have thousand of members, yet the videos have very few likes and visualizations. I guess the Temple is asking too much effort.

From my own perspective, every new meditation should be put in Hall of Osiris under payment. Lazy people deserve nothing!

Moreover, the posts you quoted are needed because not everyone follow profile posts, but checks only subforums.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [SG]]

1 like = 1 kidney
Everyone knows this.

Apparently giving a like is too much, too high “price” for spiritual knowledge, goes to show sometimes the world does not deserve saving.

 

[Alexander666]

May I ask why we have to kiss arse (liking a post and asking) to receive help that is very important? Did I miss something? Maybe I should start charging for people to have the password to all my (irrelevant) posts, which I should lock. It doesn't make sense.

If you view commenting and liking as a fee, it's unfortunate that your time spent here feels wasted. Thousands of articles and hundreds of meditations are freely offered by the clergy. When asked to like the post, you refused. This is an Andrapoda behavior.

 

[Astrid]

I am reminded of the "rights" versus "responsibilities" lectures we used to get as children It was meant to address the hyperfixation on people's selfish notions of "xyz is my right" while ignoring the crucial responsibilities that enable those rights in the first place.

In Zevism, it's amplified thousandfold because our very existence has been due to the Gods and how Their Blessings reaches us and sustains us through the ToZ and esteemed Clergy.

Our responsibility to uphold the Temple is needed so we can have a place with the Gods at all. The very least one can do is show up.

 

[May Flower]

This feels like a mixed bag of preconceptual perspective that you brothers are throwing at one another. I don't care for clubs myself, I find no personal need to be a part of it, and only found my life and growth disrupted paying any attention to it. Maybe there is an internalized sentiment that could be shared? For communal understanding to be found? A perspective unconsidered?

 

[MasterJ192216]

This feels like a mixed bag of preconceptual perspective that you brothers are throwing at one another. I don't care for clubs myself, I find no personal need to be a part of it, and only found my life and growth disrupted paying any attention to it. Maybe there is an internalized sentiment that could be shared? For communal understanding to be found? A perspective unconsidered?

This is part of being in a strong community. Do you understand that we can't create the Temple of Zeus with only lone wolves?

Do you think the Jews have this mentality of now being part of a club? They got control because they are solid community.

If it is too much to put a "like" to show engagment in the community because it may give you the feeling that you are stuck in a "club", why did you even comment here? It makes you part of the forum.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

May I ask why we have to kiss arse (liking a post and asking) to receive help that is very important? Did I miss something? Maybe I should start charging for people to have the password to all my (irrelevant) posts, which I should lock. It doesn't make sense.

This shows Community support, and it's an achievement.

The Gods sees that and allow us as the Temple of Zeus to reach higher levels.
They don't give us things for free, what we have today, we earned it from the monumental work of ToZ.

Certain things can have our names written in it, but we need certain prerequisites to access them. That's how universe and hierarchy work. Universe is based on Hierarchy in it's Laws.

 

[VeniVidiViktori888]

The nerve of some people….ugh. I expected better of a Zevist who’s been around that long.
Liking a post by the members of our community that lift such a great weight and do so much for us that it makes Atlas holding up the world almost look tame by comparison is the very least we as serious Zevists can do, but this FM is complaining and comparing it to Xtianity. Absolutely madness, with people behaving like that it’s a wonder Xtianity ever became a problem thousands of years ago.

Pfffft.

OP get real or get gone.

 

[Tethys333]

I don't understand what's wrong with our CLERGY asking us to support them and for the community to take action.

What's more, you also understand the greatness, the immensity, the power of our High Priest Hooded Cobra. He gives us so many teachings and, above all, works hard for the whole ToZ, of which you are also a part. Therefore, I find stupid complaints about a like and a comment. Understand that the teachings of the High Priest are sacred, and if you don't understand their greatness, that's your problem, not ours.

 

[Zombieboy]

Increasing engagement is the literal bare minimum we can do to help get this knowledge out to more people.
Not everybody can give money.. or translate posts ect .
But ALL Zevists should want to contribute the most possible.
Seeing as you took the time to read the post
It would have been no trouble for you to simply “like” the post .
This isn’t pointless gate keeping ..
150 likes is a very small number
And we are not “entitled” to all knowledge .
We should be very grateful this is given to us freely ..

 

[WoadWarrior]

"Why should I have to approach the literal bare minimum of engagement to receive for free what others have worked to provide?"

At this point I think even less should be given to people who aren't contributing, clearly the sense of entitlement has gotten too far and people are getting spoiled.

Lets all just refuse to work as a community, refuse to engage, refuse to help.
Lets just let the Clergy and the Guardians do all the work and not even thank them, I am sure they really enjoy working hard to provide knowledge only to be met by dead air and radio silence, who wouldn't like that?

If anything the circle should be closed even tighter, people have had years to decide if they are going to help or going to do nothing.

I liked the post and I was present for the AMA, I didnt do it for me, I did it to show support for the hard work SGAI had put into making the video, the gift of HPHC sharing this knowledge and to help those that couldn't make it in time, not to mention just a general show of support for this community and the people in it.

 

[Zombieboy]

I will add that if this was “xianity” we would have a pedophile handing out the church plate everyday and for which we would receive nothing in return.
The temple has already given us much more than what could ever be bought.
It’s sad that when they ask so little they are scoffed at..

 

[Alexander666]

BTW I WILL POST IT HERE TOO.
OPEN THE POST, THEN LIKE AND COMMENT ON IT.

Vultus Templorum

ancient-forums.com

 

[Donovandal]

It's very disappointing to see a long-established member throw all the years of reputation and engagement in the community straight down the toilet, just like that.

I don't think there is a need to add anything else. The brothers and sisters, above have responded enough.

 

[FancyMancy]

@Hidden Warrior Clearly, people want and need help. The way the replies here have been recieved - and I won't use my own words for this next bit - "says a lot", and it makes me think of dangling a string above a cat and then yanking it away. I didn't mean that in my OP, though. The attitudes in response here "say a lot". I mentioned ages ago this place is very religious.

I am also aware that what the Clergy have brought, and continue to bring, is very important. "Do you want to be helped with this important information?" Der. Obviously. Why is it necessary to 'like'? Before anyone mentions buying the meditations that are also available, I'm not referring to that. Perhaps the easiest argument is "There is one to make you super rich" which I don't douby in the slightest, so trying to argue "Buying meditations?! It's a cult!" is empty.

You say you have seen that I haven't reacted to that post. Check my account. I react rarely to any post. I might (although, I also might not) have said before that I hardly ever 'like' posts. Yes, "that says a lot". Please don't reply religiously. It says a lot, but you have absolutely no idea what, exactly, it says. I don't care very much for 'liking' posts. I prefer to reply individually - but I've been burned for that before, for replying to each and every person in a thread, so why bother? 'Liking' posts is a passive acknowledgement; I prefer to take the time to type an actual, proper reply. That, indeed, most-certainly does say a lot.

Tell me who is lazy. You know everything about everyone, by the sounds of it.

I was just quoting those two posts because they mention reacting for gains/super-important information. The contents of those posts are irrelevant.

@Alexandros Iowno [SG] Great attitude. While christians, in my experience, never said such a thing, I feel the religiousness here again.

@Alexander666 I can't remember saying it's a fee. Maybe try asking me if that's what I meant. I am sure I mentioned that point before - ask me first. I mentioned charging people for my posts because that is the same as the facebook "1000 likes = free gift (as opposed to a gift you have to pay for) for my great-grandmother who is facing cancer in hospital!"; the charging was mentioned similarly - "if you do this, then I'll do that".

@Astrid Show up? I'm here. I post things which I think are helpful. I've not been told they're not helpful. In a small way, it is responsible. I hardly ever recieve 'likes' on my posts, because I don't have "influencer" status and I speak honestly and I try not to be sensational. I also don't receive "You're posting shit and everything you say is wrong", so it must be at least neutral if not slightly better than that.

@May Flower I'm going to offend the most-religious here either again or for the first time - I mentioned before about cliques here. I might mention it again... I'll mention something else again, though - religious. Say a tiny thing wrong, or ask either the wrong question or a question in the wrong way and... well... look at the responses here. I would add "lol" but it would only be a sarcastic one.

@Disciple of the Serpent A decent reply! (No, I won't 'like' your reply, though. Sorry... or half-sorry. Yes, yes, my attitude this, and my attitude that.) The Gods see us 'liking'? I thought They were powerful-enough to see into our Souls and guide us accordingly. I always tend to have a lot of coincidences, which appears to be one of the first things that people go through when opening up to the real Universe. I think whomever my Guardian Daemon or Guardian Daemoness is, presuming I have one, might be causing at least some of those coincidences for me, due to doubts and things, to encourage me along. (If They know I am a waste, and are not causing the coincidences, then I'm still having a lot of coincidences regardless.)

The way you put it, about community support, makes me think about feedback. I still prefer to type properly than a quick, easy 'like' being issued - but reading thousands of words of support versus hundreds of reactions of support... it's obvious which is preferred due to the workload and time constraints. Thanks.

Speaking of hierarchy - I realise Satan; rather, Zeus to use His proper Name, has governors whom can, and of course do, direct things in their own way, while they are 'in office'. as it were, in this case being HPHC I would not doubt.

@VeniVidiViktori888 Don't ever expect anything of me. I'll always disappoint you eventually. I guarantee that.

I'm not a sheep. I don't follow the crowd or go with the flow. I did that more than too much when I was a christian. If I go against the grain, then good. Smooth it out and let the truth be known. If it stands and is strong, then I have no argument and no reason to keep going against things. Well, perhaps - maybe I just simply asked a question and compared it with how christian life is.

You seem to be strong. You can curse me to "get gone", or you can understand my point. Enjoy.

@Tethys333 Wow. I wonder why someone who doesn't understand something asks a question. Golly.

@Zombieboy Again about entitlement. I think Humans are entitled to be free and have autonomy - but (before anyone jumps onto that point) as I said before, not absolutely. I also know that some things must be kept a secret, such as steps including, and after, the Magnum Opus, and other meditations which must not be shared. I'm simply asking why, if it is crucial, very important, extremely-needed information, must we jump through hoops for it. Maybe my mind is too stupid to understand why.

@WoadWarrior My posts clearly go ignored. I thought I was contributing. Maybe I have been doing things wrong here. I never said I was entitled. I asked, "Why 'like' if it's so vitally-important?". I wish people would read, then seek clarity first, before replying.

You can "close the circle tighter" and turn it into a clique if you want. Well, you can fantasise about that. People 'get there' in their own time. Not everyone can 'get there' at everyone else's speeds.

@Zombieboy Should I sugarcoat my replies? I prefer honesty, even if it hurts, than a lie which makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If I have 'been here for years, then I would hope some older members would realise that about me, and perhaps appreciate it somewhat. Here, I was simply asking "Why 'like'/ask to receive if the information is incredibly important for us to have?".

@Donovandal I don't know what reputation I have here, but it can't be a decent one. As I said before, most of my posts don't get 'likes' nor words of encouragement. I first said that years ago in this thread. I can't see any different, except that this forum actually includes such post reaction capability. Then I've also been told to keep doing what I'm doing, though. With hardly any positive feedback myself, I still think I'm wasting my time in what I contribute, but then I still don't receive negative feedback until I ask a question so I can understand something, lol - yes, a sarcastic lol. I just wanted to know that if the knowledge and information is of such importance, why 'like'? Why not just have it be shared? The Gods and Goddesses see the hard work, dedication, effort and care that the Clergy have brought, bring, and will bring, and They bless and support accordingly.

__________________

Lastly, I don't consider myself a living martyr, but I do wonder if sometimes I might ask things uncomfortably that others wonder about and want to know but are too shy or nervous to ask, lest they be burnt for it. I don't care about being burnt. Send me to christian "hell", then. A non-important question I mentioned ages ago which I still haven't seen an answer to is "What happened with the souls of the dinosaurs who went extinct on Earth 65mn years ago?". It might have been too difficult to answer.

I've "been here" for such a long time, but I'm still shit. Oooh. There. I said that. That's not something I should say about myself, but I've been here for so long, I should be a SuperMage by now. Age doesn't bring maturity.

At this point, I'd might as well also add - there have been other things I've wanted to ask, but due to this, that, and the other, I haven't. I'm sUpPoSeD tO kNoW tHeM bY nOw. I still asked this one, though, at risk of similar types of replies that are here. I was trying to simply ask why 'like' if information is needed; it sounds as if without 'likes', very important information would be withheld.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

@Hidden Warrior Clearly, people want and need help. The way the replies here have been recieved - and I won't use my own words for this next bit - "says a lot", and it makes me think of dangling a string above a cat and then yanking it away. I didn't mean that in my OP, though. The attitudes in response here "say a lot". I mentioned ages ago this place is very religious.

I am also aware that what the Clergy have brought, and continue to bring, is very important. "Do you want to be helped with this important information?" Der. Obviously. Why is it necessary to 'like'? Before anyone mentions buying the meditations that are also available, I'm not referring to that. Perhaps the easiest argument is "There is one to make you super rich" which I don't douby in the slightest, so trying to argue "Buying meditations?! It's a cult!" is empty.

You say you have seen that I haven't reacted to that post. Check my account. I react rarely to any post. I might (although, I also might not) have said before that I hardly ever 'like' posts. Yes, "that says a lot". Please don't reply religiously. It says a lot, but you have absolutely no idea what, exactly, it says. I don't care very much for 'liking' posts. I prefer to reply individually - but I've been burned for that before, for replying to each and every person in a thread, so why bother? 'Liking' posts is a passive acknowledgement; I prefer to take the time to type an actual, proper reply. That, indeed, most-certainly does say a lot.

Tell me who is lazy. You know everything about everyone, by the sounds of it.

I was just quoting those two posts because they mention reacting for gains/super-important information. The contents of those posts are irrelevant.

@Alexandros Iowno [SG] Great attitude. While christians, in my experience, never said such a thing, I feel the religiousness here again.

@Alexander666 I can't remember saying it's a fee. Maybe try asking me if that's what I meant. I am sure I mentioned that point before - ask me first. I mentioned charging people for my posts because that is the same as the facebook "1000 likes = free gift (as opposed to a gift you have to pay for) for my great-grandmother who is facing cancer in hospital!"; the charging was mentioned similarly - "if you do this, then I'll do that".

@Astrid Show up? I'm here. I post things which I think are helpful. I've not been told they're not helpful. In a small way, it is responsible. I hardly ever recieve 'likes' on my posts, because I don't have "influencer" status and I speak honestly and I try not to be sensational. I also don't receive "You're posting shit and everything you say is wrong", so it must be at least neutral if not slightly better than that.

@May Flower I'm going to offend the most-religious here either again or for the first time - I mentioned before about cliques here. I might mention it again... I'll mention something else again, though - religious. Say a tiny thing wrong, or ask either the wrong question or a question in the wrong way and... well... look at the responses here. I would add "lol" but it would only be a sarcastic one.

@Disciple of the Serpent A decent reply! (No, I won't 'like' your reply, though. Sorry... or half-sorry. Yes, yes, my attitude this, and my attitude that.) The Gods see us 'liking'? I thought They were powerful-enough to see into our Souls and guide us accordingly. I always tend to have a lot of coincidences, which appears to be one of the first things that people go through when opening up to the real Universe. I think whomever my Guardian Daemon or Guardian Daemoness is, presuming I have one, might be causing at least some of those coincidences for me, due to doubts and things, to encourage me along. (If They know I am a waste, and are not causing the coincidences, then I'm still having a lot of coincidences regardless.)

The way you put it, about community support, makes me think about feedback. I still prefer to type properly than a quick, easy 'like' being issued - but reading thousands of words of support versus hundreds of reactions of support... it's obvious which is preferred due to the workload and time constraints. Thanks.

Speaking of hierarchy - I realise Satan; rather, Zeus to use His proper Name, has governors whom can, and of course do, direct things in their own way, while they are 'in office'. as it were, in this case being HPHC I would not doubt.

@VeniVidiViktori888 Don't ever expect anything of me. I'll always disappoint you eventually. I guarantee that.

I'm not a sheep. I don't follow the crowd or go with the flow. I did that more than too much when I was a christian. If I go against the grain, then good. Smooth it out and let the truth be known. If it stands and is strong, then I have no argument and no reason to keep going against things. Well, perhaps - maybe I just simply asked a question and compared it with how christian life is.

You seem to be strong. You can curse me to "get gone", or you can understand my point. Enjoy.

@Tethys333 Wow. I wonder why someone who doesn't understand something asks a question. Golly.

@Zombieboy Again about entitlement. I think Humans are entitled to be free and have autonomy - but (before anyone jumps onto that point) as I said before, not absolutely. I also know that some things must be kept a secret, such as steps including, and after, the Magnum Opus, and other meditations which must not be shared. I'm simply asking why, if it is crucial, very important, extremely-needed information, must we jump through hoops for it. Maybe my mind is too stupid to understand why.

@WoadWarrior My posts clearly go ignored. I thought I was contributing. Maybe I have been doing things wrong here. I never said I was entitled. I asked, "Why 'like' if it's so vitally-important?". I wish people would read, then seek clarity first, before replying.

You can "close the circle tighter" and turn it into a clique if you want. Well, you can fantasise about that. People 'get there' in their own time. Not everyone can 'get there' at everyone else's speeds.

@Zombieboy Should I sugarcoat my replies? I prefer honesty, even if it hurts, than a lie which makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If I have 'been here for years, then I would hope some older members would realise that about me, and perhaps appreciate it somewhat. Here, I was simply asking "Why 'like'/ask to receive if the information is incredibly important for us to have?".

@Donovandal I don't know what reputation I have here, but it can't be a decent one. As I said before, most of my posts don't get 'likes' nor words of encouragement. I first said that years ago in this thread. I can't see any different, except that this forum actually includes such post reaction capability. Then I've also been told to keep doing what I'm doing, though. With hardly any positive feedback myself, I still think I'm wasting my time in what I contribute, but then I still don't receive negative feedback until I ask a question so I can understand something, lol - yes, a sarcastic lol. I just wanted to know that if the knowledge and information is of such importance, why 'like'? Why not just have it be shared? The Gods and Goddesses see the hard work, dedication, effort and care that the Clergy have brought, bring, and will bring, and They bless and support accordingly.

__________________

Lastly, I don't consider myself a living martyr, but I do wonder if sometimes I might ask things uncomfortably that others wonder about and want to know but are too shy or nervous to ask, lest they be burnt for it. I don't care about being burnt. Send me to christian "hell", then. A non-important question I mentioned ages ago which I still haven't seen an answer to is "What happened with the souls of the dinosaurs who went extinct on Earth 65mn years ago?". It might have been too difficult to answer.

I've "been here" for such a long time, but I'm still shit. Oooh. There. I said that. That's not something I should say about myself, but I've been here for so long, I should be a SuperMage by now. Age doesn't bring maturity.

At this point, I'd might as well also add - there have been other things I've wanted to ask, but due to this, that, and the other, I haven't. I'm sUpPoSeD tO kNoW tHeM bY nOw. I still asked this one, though, at risk of similar types of replies that are here. I was trying to simply ask why 'like' if information is needed; it sounds as if without 'likes', very important information would be withheld.

Brother, SG Alexandros was joking about the like=kidney, if you give a like to support the Community, you don't lose a kidney.

You actually get blessed, everyone can confirm that in regards of support.
Now stop with the victim mentality and pull yourself together.

 

[May Flower]

This is part of being in a strong community. Do you understand that we can't create the Temple of Zeus with only lone wolves?

Do you think the Jews have this mentality of now being part of a club? They got control because they are solid community.

If it is too much to put a "like" to show engagment in the community because it may give you the feeling that you are stuck in a "club", why did you even comment here? It makes you part of the forum.

Yes multiple people usually build things faster.

The jews are no shining example of community. A cabal, fully interested in backstabbing one another, but simultaneously committed to decay, is not a community.

I commented because I felt as though emotions were too involved, and maybe critical thinking could be applied, and a greater sense of community could be found, from understanding one another's perspective.

Yes the forum. Where communication is properly moderated, and found. The forum/website is the Temple to me, if anything. Not the boy's club. Please find me disgusting and flame me too now. Because my perspective is different. I'm now an andrapoda yes? Because of my eyes that see different colors from yours? As we were all made?

 

[Alexander666]

@Hidden Warrior Clearly, people want and need help. The way the replies here have been recieved - and I won't use my own words for this next bit - "says a lot", and it makes me think of dangling a string above a cat and then yanking it away. I didn't mean that in my OP, though. The attitudes in response here "say a lot". I mentioned ages ago this place is very religious.

I am also aware that what the Clergy have brought, and continue to bring, is very important. "Do you want to be helped with this important information?" Der. Obviously. Why is it necessary to 'like'? Before anyone mentions buying the meditations that are also available, I'm not referring to that. Perhaps the easiest argument is "There is one to make you super rich" which I don't douby in the slightest, so trying to argue "Buying meditations?! It's a cult!" is empty.

You say you have seen that I haven't reacted to that post. Check my account. I react rarely to any post. I might (although, I also might not) have said before that I hardly ever 'like' posts. Yes, "that says a lot". Please don't reply religiously. It says a lot, but you have absolutely no idea what, exactly, it says. I don't care very much for 'liking' posts. I prefer to reply individually - but I've been burned for that before, for replying to each and every person in a thread, so why bother? 'Liking' posts is a passive acknowledgement; I prefer to take the time to type an actual, proper reply. That, indeed, most-certainly does say a lot.

Tell me who is lazy. You know everything about everyone, by the sounds of it.

I was just quoting those two posts because they mention reacting for gains/super-important information. The contents of those posts are irrelevant.

@Alexandros Iowno [SG] Great attitude. While christians, in my experience, never said such a thing, I feel the religiousness here again.

@Alexander666 I can't remember saying it's a fee. Maybe try asking me if that's what I meant. I am sure I mentioned that point before - ask me first. I mentioned charging people for my posts because that is the same as the facebook "1000 likes = free gift (as opposed to a gift you have to pay for) for my great-grandmother who is facing cancer in hospital!"; the charging was mentioned similarly - "if you do this, then I'll do that".

@Astrid Show up? I'm here. I post things which I think are helpful. I've not been told they're not helpful. In a small way, it is responsible. I hardly ever recieve 'likes' on my posts, because I don't have "influencer" status and I speak honestly and I try not to be sensational. I also don't receive "You're posting shit and everything you say is wrong", so it must be at least neutral if not slightly better than that.

@May Flower I'm going to offend the most-religious here either again or for the first time - I mentioned before about cliques here. I might mention it again... I'll mention something else again, though - religious. Say a tiny thing wrong, or ask either the wrong question or a question in the wrong way and... well... look at the responses here. I would add "lol" but it would only be a sarcastic one.

@Disciple of the Serpent A decent reply! (No, I won't 'like' your reply, though. Sorry... or half-sorry. Yes, yes, my attitude this, and my attitude that.) The Gods see us 'liking'? I thought They were powerful-enough to see into our Souls and guide us accordingly. I always tend to have a lot of coincidences, which appears to be one of the first things that people go through when opening up to the real Universe. I think whomever my Guardian Daemon or Guardian Daemoness is, presuming I have one, might be causing at least some of those coincidences for me, due to doubts and things, to encourage me along. (If They know I am a waste, and are not causing the coincidences, then I'm still having a lot of coincidences regardless.)

The way you put it, about community support, makes me think about feedback. I still prefer to type properly than a quick, easy 'like' being issued - but reading thousands of words of support versus hundreds of reactions of support... it's obvious which is preferred due to the workload and time constraints. Thanks.

Speaking of hierarchy - I realise Satan; rather, Zeus to use His proper Name, has governors whom can, and of course do, direct things in their own way, while they are 'in office'. as it were, in this case being HPHC I would not doubt.

@VeniVidiViktori888 Don't ever expect anything of me. I'll always disappoint you eventually. I guarantee that.

I'm not a sheep. I don't follow the crowd or go with the flow. I did that more than too much when I was a christian. If I go against the grain, then good. Smooth it out and let the truth be known. If it stands and is strong, then I have no argument and no reason to keep going against things. Well, perhaps - maybe I just simply asked a question and compared it with how christian life is.

You seem to be strong. You can curse me to "get gone", or you can understand my point. Enjoy.

@Tethys333 Wow. I wonder why someone who doesn't understand something asks a question. Golly.

@Zombieboy Again about entitlement. I think Humans are entitled to be free and have autonomy - but (before anyone jumps onto that point) as I said before, not absolutely. I also know that some things must be kept a secret, such as steps including, and after, the Magnum Opus, and other meditations which must not be shared. I'm simply asking why, if it is crucial, very important, extremely-needed information, must we jump through hoops for it. Maybe my mind is too stupid to understand why.

@WoadWarrior My posts clearly go ignored. I thought I was contributing. Maybe I have been doing things wrong here. I never said I was entitled. I asked, "Why 'like' if it's so vitally-important?". I wish people would read, then seek clarity first, before replying.

You can "close the circle tighter" and turn it into a clique if you want. Well, you can fantasise about that. People 'get there' in their own time. Not everyone can 'get there' at everyone else's speeds.

@Zombieboy Should I sugarcoat my replies? I prefer honesty, even if it hurts, than a lie which makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If I have 'been here for years, then I would hope some older members would realise that about me, and perhaps appreciate it somewhat. Here, I was simply asking "Why 'like'/ask to receive if the information is incredibly important for us to have?".

@Donovandal I don't know what reputation I have here, but it can't be a decent one. As I said before, most of my posts don't get 'likes' nor words of encouragement. I first said that years ago in this thread. I can't see any different, except that this forum actually includes such post reaction capability. Then I've also been told to keep doing what I'm doing, though. With hardly any positive feedback myself, I still think I'm wasting my time in what I contribute, but then I still don't receive negative feedback until I ask a question so I can understand something, lol - yes, a sarcastic lol. I just wanted to know that if the knowledge and information is of such importance, why 'like'? Why not just have it be shared? The Gods and Goddesses see the hard work, dedication, effort and care that the Clergy have brought, bring, and will bring, and They bless and support accordingly.

__________________

Lastly, I don't consider myself a living martyr, but I do wonder if sometimes I might ask things uncomfortably that others wonder about and want to know but are too shy or nervous to ask, lest they be burnt for it. I don't care about being burnt. Send me to christian "hell", then. A non-important question I mentioned ages ago which I still haven't seen an answer to is "What happened with the souls of the dinosaurs who went extinct on Earth 65mn years ago?". It might have been too difficult to answer.

I've "been here" for such a long time, but I'm still shit. Oooh. There. I said that. That's not something I should say about myself, but I've been here for so long, I should be a SuperMage by now. Age doesn't bring maturity.

At this point, I'd might as well also add - there have been other things I've wanted to ask, but due to this, that, and the other, I haven't. I'm sUpPoSeD tO kNoW tHeM bY nOw. I still asked this one, though, at risk of similar types of replies that are here. I was trying to simply ask why 'like' if information is needed; it sounds as if without 'likes', very important information would be withheld.

This campaign aims to popularize Vultus Templorum and engage more Zevists. I'm not sure why it was difficult for you to understand.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

@Hidden Warrior Clearly, people want and need help. The way the replies here have been recieved - and I won't use my own words for this next bit - "says a lot", and it makes me think of dangling a string above a cat and then yanking it away. I didn't mean that in my OP, though. The attitudes in response here "say a lot". I mentioned ages ago this place is very religious.

I am also aware that what the Clergy have brought, and continue to bring, is very important. "Do you want to be helped with this important information?" Der. Obviously. Why is it necessary to 'like'? Before anyone mentions buying the meditations that are also available, I'm not referring to that. Perhaps the easiest argument is "There is one to make you super rich" which I don't douby in the slightest, so trying to argue "Buying meditations?! It's a cult!" is empty.

You say you have seen that I haven't reacted to that post. Check my account. I react rarely to any post. I might (although, I also might not) have said before that I hardly ever 'like' posts. Yes, "that says a lot". Please don't reply religiously. It says a lot, but you have absolutely no idea what, exactly, it says. I don't care very much for 'liking' posts. I prefer to reply individually - but I've been burned for that before, for replying to each and every person in a thread, so why bother? 'Liking' posts is a passive acknowledgement; I prefer to take the time to type an actual, proper reply. That, indeed, most-certainly does say a lot.

Tell me who is lazy. You know everything about everyone, by the sounds of it.

I was just quoting those two posts because they mention reacting for gains/super-important information. The contents of those posts are irrelevant.

@Alexandros Iowno [SG] Great attitude. While christians, in my experience, never said such a thing, I feel the religiousness here again.

@Alexander666 I can't remember saying it's a fee. Maybe try asking me if that's what I meant. I am sure I mentioned that point before - ask me first. I mentioned charging people for my posts because that is the same as the facebook "1000 likes = free gift (as opposed to a gift you have to pay for) for my great-grandmother who is facing cancer in hospital!"; the charging was mentioned similarly - "if you do this, then I'll do that".

@Astrid Show up? I'm here. I post things which I think are helpful. I've not been told they're not helpful. In a small way, it is responsible. I hardly ever recieve 'likes' on my posts, because I don't have "influencer" status and I speak honestly and I try not to be sensational. I also don't receive "You're posting shit and everything you say is wrong", so it must be at least neutral if not slightly better than that.

@May Flower I'm going to offend the most-religious here either again or for the first time - I mentioned before about cliques here. I might mention it again... I'll mention something else again, though - religious. Say a tiny thing wrong, or ask either the wrong question or a question in the wrong way and... well... look at the responses here. I would add "lol" but it would only be a sarcastic one.

@Disciple of the Serpent A decent reply! (No, I won't 'like' your reply, though. Sorry... or half-sorry. Yes, yes, my attitude this, and my attitude that.) The Gods see us 'liking'? I thought They were powerful-enough to see into our Souls and guide us accordingly. I always tend to have a lot of coincidences, which appears to be one of the first things that people go through when opening up to the real Universe. I think whomever my Guardian Daemon or Guardian Daemoness is, presuming I have one, might be causing at least some of those coincidences for me, due to doubts and things, to encourage me along. (If They know I am a waste, and are not causing the coincidences, then I'm still having a lot of coincidences regardless.)

The way you put it, about community support, makes me think about feedback. I still prefer to type properly than a quick, easy 'like' being issued - but reading thousands of words of support versus hundreds of reactions of support... it's obvious which is preferred due to the workload and time constraints. Thanks.

Speaking of hierarchy - I realise Satan; rather, Zeus to use His proper Name, has governors whom can, and of course do, direct things in their own way, while they are 'in office'. as it were, in this case being HPHC I would not doubt.

@VeniVidiViktori888 Don't ever expect anything of me. I'll always disappoint you eventually. I guarantee that.

I'm not a sheep. I don't follow the crowd or go with the flow. I did that more than too much when I was a christian. If I go against the grain, then good. Smooth it out and let the truth be known. If it stands and is strong, then I have no argument and no reason to keep going against things. Well, perhaps - maybe I just simply asked a question and compared it with how christian life is.

You seem to be strong. You can curse me to "get gone", or you can understand my point. Enjoy.

@Tethys333 Wow. I wonder why someone who doesn't understand something asks a question. Golly.

@Zombieboy Again about entitlement. I think Humans are entitled to be free and have autonomy - but (before anyone jumps onto that point) as I said before, not absolutely. I also know that some things must be kept a secret, such as steps including, and after, the Magnum Opus, and other meditations which must not be shared. I'm simply asking why, if it is crucial, very important, extremely-needed information, must we jump through hoops for it. Maybe my mind is too stupid to understand why.

@WoadWarrior My posts clearly go ignored. I thought I was contributing. Maybe I have been doing things wrong here. I never said I was entitled. I asked, "Why 'like' if it's so vitally-important?". I wish people would read, then seek clarity first, before replying.

You can "close the circle tighter" and turn it into a clique if you want. Well, you can fantasise about that. People 'get there' in their own time. Not everyone can 'get there' at everyone else's speeds.

@Zombieboy Should I sugarcoat my replies? I prefer honesty, even if it hurts, than a lie which makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If I have 'been here for years, then I would hope some older members would realise that about me, and perhaps appreciate it somewhat. Here, I was simply asking "Why 'like'/ask to receive if the information is incredibly important for us to have?".

@Donovandal I don't know what reputation I have here, but it can't be a decent one. As I said before, most of my posts don't get 'likes' nor words of encouragement. I first said that years ago in this thread. I can't see any different, except that this forum actually includes such post reaction capability. Then I've also been told to keep doing what I'm doing, though. With hardly any positive feedback myself, I still think I'm wasting my time in what I contribute, but then I still don't receive negative feedback until I ask a question so I can understand something, lol - yes, a sarcastic lol. I just wanted to know that if the knowledge and information is of such importance, why 'like'? Why not just have it be shared? The Gods and Goddesses see the hard work, dedication, effort and care that the Clergy have brought, bring, and will bring, and They bless and support accordingly.

__________________

Lastly, I don't consider myself a living martyr, but I do wonder if sometimes I might ask things uncomfortably that others wonder about and want to know but are too shy or nervous to ask, lest they be burnt for it. I don't care about being burnt. Send me to christian "hell", then. A non-important question I mentioned ages ago which I still haven't seen an answer to is "What happened with the souls of the dinosaurs who went extinct on Earth 65mn years ago?". It might have been too difficult to answer.

I've "been here" for such a long time, but I'm still shit. Oooh. There. I said that. That's not something I should say about myself, but I've been here for so long, I should be a SuperMage by now. Age doesn't bring maturity.

At this point, I'd might as well also add - there have been other things I've wanted to ask, but due to this, that, and the other, I haven't. I'm sUpPoSeD tO kNoW tHeM bY nOw. I still asked this one, though, at risk of similar types of replies that are here. I was trying to simply ask why 'like' if information is needed; it sounds as if without 'likes', very important information would be withheld.

If I am giving you something of extreme value, am I not entitled to ask for something in return? You say you want the information, but are also frustrated that you are required to perform an action to receive it, but this is entitlement at the end of the day.

It is clear you feel at odds with people here on the forums, as you are trying to personally debate every single person. Yes, you can say that you are simply being honest, but in doing so, you are damaging relations with multiple people without good reason.

You are also throwing a vague attack that people here are being very religious, as if that is a bad thing in this case, for them to adhere closely to ToZ and attempt to put it first, such as by asking you to first click a like button.

 

[MasterJ192216]

Yes multiple people usually build things faster.

The jews are no shining example of community. A cabal, fully interested in backstabbing one another, but simultaneously committed to decay, is not a community.

I commented because I felt as though emotions were too involved, and maybe critical thinking could be applied, and a greater sense of community could be found, from understanding one another's perspective.

Yes the forum. Where communication is properly moderated, and found. The forum/website is the Temple to me, if anything. Not the boy's club. Please find me disgusting and flame me too now. Because my perspective is different. I'm now an andrapoda yes? Because of my eyes that see different colors from yours? As we were all made?

The "boy's club", how do you contribute to the construction of the Temple may I ask?

 

[Satan golden red ninja666]

1 like = 1 kidney
Everyone knows this.

Apparently giving a like is too much, too high “price” for spiritual knowledge, goes to show sometimes the world does not deserve saving.

Where do i start liking
I shall like all day for life changing knowledge
Sign me up

 

[Satan golden red ninja666]

With the amount of ovens we have gathered today we can make bread for All dedicated SS / Zevist
Should we charge on this ?
I personally believe it should be free to Zevist only and to with left overs sell it

 

[Aquarius]

Perhaps you should quit with the irrevelant posts and start advancing spiritually.

 

[Satan golden red ninja666]

BTW I WILL POST IT HERE TOO.
OPEN THE POST, THEN LIKE AND COMMENT ON IT.

Vultus Templorum

ancient-forums.com

This shall become the most liked post to date

 

[May Flower]

The "boy's club", how do you contribute to the construction of the Temple may I ask?

In no way. I am nothing. There was content in my message that was relevant to the original post however. And since we are sharing opinions, I shared mine.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

This campaign aims to popularize Vultus Templorum and engage more Zevists. I'm not sure why it was difficult for you to understand.

There is a post on the Forums, from High Priest Hooded Cobra that elencated all the things to achieve in 10 years.

Vultus Templorum is pivotal in this.

Now we are creating the basis needed for the wonderful things to come.
Being a strong, supportive and active Community is one of them.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

What's wrong with making members more participatory and united? I like it much more now, than in the past years ago, when many members only doing Laarping and didn't make an effort to advance and improve.

 

[SoulSails13]

This thread baffles me, when I read the title, I did not expect to see bitching about being asked to like a post.

 

[The Pythagorean]

I have nothing to reply here. You wrote 5 pages about a like. That speaks for itself.

Any answer or opinion I'd give seems like it would be FAR too religious of me, so...

 

[NG SATchives]

We have to make a community, incentivizing engagement is good. We need engagement to grow, it's very simple.

 

[MasterJ192216]

In no way. I am nothing. There was content in my message that was relevant to the original post however. And since we are sharing opinions, I shared mine.

Where did I write that you were nothing? I ask you where is your contribution to the ToZ since you try to call the fact that we ask for some kind of engagement (a little push of a button) for our community.

Also, its not everyone that is entitle to all knowledge, there will be some people that will be left on the bottom (by their own lack of commitment). Don’t worry, any zevist are safe but there is still a price to pay to attain higher ground.

 

[hailourtruegod]

It's like you made your life's purpose to act obtuse towards every decision made here.

How long until you realize its constructive criticism towards you instead of being "disagreed with because we're somehow wrong and dont want to admit it", which would be ironic if you do see us in this manner.

I guess thank you for keeping us on our toes but I hope you do take time to understand what everyone wrote here.

 

[Ayleth]

Your way of asking things "uncomfortably" is done in a quite rude manner. When something is arising curiosity, you respect that and try to formulate your question with politeness and by seeking understanding.

I think almost everyone who responded is part of the VT and understands how much effort goes into creating videos and other outreach media. It's minimum respect. Giving a like, a view, a comment is just very basic community understanding. We all want this and miss it in our lives. Zevists have it in these Forums and it's very precious for the majority of us.

We want to remind people to participate and understand what being part of society means.
Even with a like... that takes 2 seconds. No little act is ever meaningless.

How many sermons has High Priest written over the years? How many about Zevism as a religion and what our part to play is?

 

[VeniVidiViktori888]

I don't understand what's wrong with our CLERGY asking us to support them and for the community to take action.

What's more, you also understand the greatness, the immensity, the power of our High Priest Hooded Cobra. He gives us so many teachings and, above all, works hard for the whole ToZ, of which you are also a part. Therefore, I find stupid complaints about a like and a comment. Understand that the teachings of the High Priest are sacred, and if you don't understand their greatness, that's your problem, not ours.

There isn’t anything wrong with it, were meant to support our Clergy and our Gods above them to really make this community our spiritual home.

 

[Soul Wings]

Truthfully, I can see things from both sides. I can see why you'd be adverse to it. The pattern is changing. The pattern of our community is moving towards mass community engagement, which is reminiscent of a lot of garbage social media sites like Jewtube or Jewstagram. It also can be a form of 'virtual validation' for some.

However, and this is the argument most users are making in this thread - we all know ToZ/JoS, and its members within isn't garbage social media, quite the opposite of course. Usually a like here is just 'yep, I've seen this, let me click to show I agree'. We already "unlock" knowledge through other processes, such as opening our own chakras.

I don't have much else to say regarding, as only the members I care to resonate with catch my attention. There will still be plenty of free information. This is the beauty of Satanism. We can question. And I will stand by your right to do so. We can just ignore whatever doesn't suit us.

 

[High Priestess Lydia]

I hardly ever recieve 'likes' on my posts, because I don't have "influencer" status and I speak honestly and I try not to be sensational.

Members here don't give likes to those who have "influencer" status. They give likes because they liked the post. Random newbies with 10 posts will get a lot of likes on a post if it was a quality post.


I'd like to add something here while we are on the subject. Receiving likes is direct confirmation that members are interested in our efforts and want to receive more posts/etc relating to the topic. It's helpful to get a general idea of what members want and appreciate.