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--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@... wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Dolf Hugo" <spiritualsatanist92@... wrote:
Safety is important, but it is great to meet other SS. I know from experience, that meeting others is a great way to learn. I wouldnt know all that I do today if I had not gone to meet others. If you are old enough and use common sense then it is ok.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "En Haradren Amlug" <hecktic_shadow@... wrote:
If you are old enough, and use common sence. Then one would realise that there is already a perfectly good information sharing platform here in the E-Groups.
The fact of the matter is, there is just too many people out there spreading misinfo, and in an uncontrolled area, who is to correct this misinfo? or put someone straight?
No matter how much you try to justify it cause it seems like a great idea. Know that it has been mentioned hundreds of times. There is a reason it hasn't ever panned out. It dosn't work. Sooner or later the group is filled with trolls and infiltrators spreading misinfo, causing infighting, and eventually bashing the JoS.
-En Haradren Amlug.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Dolf Hugo" <spiritualsatanist92@ wrote:
Safety is important, but it is great to meet other SS. I know from experience, that meeting others is a great way to learn. I wouldnt know all that I do today if I had not gone to meet others. If you are old enough and use common sense then it is ok.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
[/TD]--- [/IMG][email protected], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- [/IMG][email protected], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- [/IMG][email protected], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- [/IMG][email protected], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- [/IMG][email protected], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
[/TD]--- [/IMG][email protected], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- [/IMG][email protected], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- [/IMG][email protected], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- [/IMG][email protected], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- [/IMG][email protected], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- [/IMG][email protected], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
[/TD]
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
[/TD]
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
Fire, you're missing the point. It's a comparison. What is the safest way to communicate on internet?
fb, email, or skype?!
I gave you data, that skype is the safest way (and free). You keep sending me articles, but you don't make any points!
...............................
In the last article you sent, says that they are trying to eavesdrop a conversation when one side of the Call is a regular phone.
This applies to the technology that skype uses on mobile phones.
They try to eavesdrop on the exchange point where the mobile phone network and the internet server meet. They are trying to eavesdrop at that point.
They care about the calls that work like a regular mobile phonecall. That's their problem.
...............................
Personally i DONT use any tracking applications on my mobile phone, and definitely WONT use skype on my phone.
The Security protocol that skype uses over the internet is the most secure there is. It's the same security that e-banking systems use.
WHY someone that has the technology and means to break the security of an e-banking system, waste their time to eavesdrop your chat conversation over skype?
...............................
I can understand that you're trying to be cautious, but think about it...
this whole conversation we're having on these groups right now is monitored and will remain on the servers of yahoo forever (hypothetically). And also in all the email inboxes of the all the members subscribed to this group that get email updates.
So... if we're having a personal conversation... i ask you... what is SAFER... talking through these groups, or talking through skype?!
In these groups... ANYONE CAN EVESDROP AT WILL... and without even trying
But with skype, they have to try really hard, AND have the technology and the means to eavesdrop.
I think it's hypocritical for anyone to use these groups daily in which ANYONE CAN EAVESDROP... and then refuse to use skype just because there is a slight probability for someone (with great skill, technology and means) to eavesdrop.
I rest my case, and won't waste anymore time on this subject
...............................
Again, I'm stating again.
These groups are a great gathering place for all SS. Nothing should or could replace them because it's a good internet community. Its a good way for strangers to exchange information.
But when i want to chat with friends. I choose skype OVER email, fb (which i don't have anyway), mobile, regular phone, or any other way of communication.
Do you get me now?
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
You didn't really read the article carefully. It says they eavesdropped BOTH when on the one end was an ordinary phone AND between computers. REally. ""when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of 'audio, video, chat, and file transfers' when Skype users connect by computer alone."
Note the part "by computer alone"
The comparison between skype and groups is like comparing apples and oranges. In fact if you want a personal conversation you'll send it via IM or private emails and not in the public group. Duh. How is it hypocritical that I use the groups??In fact as you may know I never give any personal info on the groups, I only talk about these matters for which I don't give a shit about whether they eavesdrop or not, and so many others. No logical person will post here their secret sexual fantasies or other things he's afraid an infiltrator will learn. FYI Years ago, an infiltrator copypasted a post here to a JoS-bashing site and twisted its meaning to prove I'm a "bad racist". I didn't really care at all because that was not important at all.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Fire, you're missing the point. It's a comparison. What is the safest way to communicate on internet?
fb, email, or skype?!
I gave you data, that skype is the safest way (and free). You keep sending me articles, but you don't make any points!
...............................
In the last article you sent, says that they are trying to eavesdrop a conversation when one side of the Call is a regular phone.
This applies to the technology that skype uses on mobile phones.
They try to eavesdrop on the exchange point where the mobile phone network and the internet server meet. They are trying to eavesdrop at that point.
They care about the calls that work like a regular mobile phonecall. That's their problem.
...............................
Personally i DONT use any tracking applications on my mobile phone, and definitely WONT use skype on my phone.
The Security protocol that skype uses over the internet is the most secure there is. It's the same security that e-banking systems use.
WHY someone that has the technology and means to break the security of an e-banking system, waste their time to eavesdrop your chat conversation over skype?
...............................
I can understand that you're trying to be cautious, but think about it...
this whole conversation we're having on these groups right now is monitored and will remain on the servers of yahoo forever (hypothetically). And also in all the email inboxes of the all the members subscribed to this group that get email updates.
So... if we're having a personal conversation... i ask you... what is SAFER... talking through these groups, or talking through skype?!
In these groups... ANYONE CAN EVESDROP AT WILL... and without even trying
But with skype, they have to try really hard, AND have the technology and the means to eavesdrop.
I think it's hypocritical for anyone to use these groups daily in which ANYONE CAN EAVESDROP... and then refuse to use skype just because there is a slight probability for someone (with great skill, technology and means) to eavesdrop.
I rest my case, and won't waste anymore time on this subject
...............................
Again, I'm stating again.
These groups are a great gathering place for all SS. Nothing should or could replace them because it's a good internet community. Its a good way for strangers to exchange information.
But when i want to chat with friends. I choose skype OVER email, fb (which i don't have anyway), mobile, regular phone, or any other way of communication.
Do you get me now?
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
OK mea culpa on the article, but the logic still stands. It's a comparison.
And my point was on your first post where you stated:
"No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise."
I've proven to you... that... NO... ITS THE SAFEST ONE. That was the whole point.
I hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
You didn't really read the article carefully. It says they eavesdropped BOTH when on the one end was an ordinary phone AND between computers. REally. ""when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of 'audio, video, chat, and file transfers' when Skype users connect by computer alone."
Note the part "by computer alone"
The comparison between skype and groups is like comparing apples and oranges. In fact if you want a personal conversation you'll send it via IM or private emails and not in the public group. Duh. How is it hypocritical that I use the groups??In fact as you may know I never give any personal info on the groups, I only talk about these matters for which I don't give a shit about whether they eavesdrop or not, and so many others. No logical person will post here their secret sexual fantasies or other things he's afraid an infiltrator will learn. FYI Years ago, an infiltrator copypasted a post here to a JoS-bashing site and twisted its meaning to prove I'm a "bad racist". I didn't really care at all because that was not important at all.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Fire, you're missing the point. It's a comparison. What is the safest way to communicate on internet?
fb, email, or skype?!
I gave you data, that skype is the safest way (and free). You keep sending me articles, but you don't make any points!
...............................
In the last article you sent, says that they are trying to eavesdrop a conversation when one side of the Call is a regular phone.
This applies to the technology that skype uses on mobile phones.
They try to eavesdrop on the exchange point where the mobile phone network and the internet server meet. They are trying to eavesdrop at that point.
They care about the calls that work like a regular mobile phonecall. That's their problem.
...............................
Personally i DONT use any tracking applications on my mobile phone, and definitely WONT use skype on my phone.
The Security protocol that skype uses over the internet is the most secure there is. It's the same security that e-banking systems use.
WHY someone that has the technology and means to break the security of an e-banking system, waste their time to eavesdrop your chat conversation over skype?
...............................
I can understand that you're trying to be cautious, but think about it...
this whole conversation we're having on these groups right now is monitored and will remain on the servers of yahoo forever (hypothetically). And also in all the email inboxes of the all the members subscribed to this group that get email updates.
So... if we're having a personal conversation... i ask you... what is SAFER... talking through these groups, or talking through skype?!
In these groups... ANYONE CAN EVESDROP AT WILL... and without even trying
But with skype, they have to try really hard, AND have the technology and the means to eavesdrop.
I think it's hypocritical for anyone to use these groups daily in which ANYONE CAN EAVESDROP... and then refuse to use skype just because there is a slight probability for someone (with great skill, technology and means) to eavesdrop.
I rest my case, and won't waste anymore time on this subject
...............................
Again, I'm stating again.
These groups are a great gathering place for all SS. Nothing should or could replace them because it's a good internet community. Its a good way for strangers to exchange information.
But when i want to chat with friends. I choose skype OVER email, fb (which i don't have anyway), mobile, regular phone, or any other way of communication.
Do you get me now?
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
I admit it's true that it's not the worst safety-wise, but it's not the safest either. There are anonymous chat services. See TorChat for example. It's an anonymous IM. If skype which can be eavesdropped is the safest, then what is TorChat??
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
OK mea culpa on the article, but the logic still stands. It's a comparison.
And my point was on your first post where you stated:
"No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise."
I've proven to you... that... NO... ITS THE SAFEST ONE. That was the whole point.
I hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
You didn't really read the article carefully. It says they eavesdropped BOTH when on the one end was an ordinary phone AND between computers. REally. ""when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of 'audio, video, chat, and file transfers' when Skype users connect by computer alone."
Note the part "by computer alone"
The comparison between skype and groups is like comparing apples and oranges. In fact if you want a personal conversation you'll send it via IM or private emails and not in the public group. Duh. How is it hypocritical that I use the groups??In fact as you may know I never give any personal info on the groups, I only talk about these matters for which I don't give a shit about whether they eavesdrop or not, and so many others. No logical person will post here their secret sexual fantasies or other things he's afraid an infiltrator will learn. FYI Years ago, an infiltrator copypasted a post here to a JoS-bashing site and twisted its meaning to prove I'm a "bad racist". I didn't really care at all because that was not important at all.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Fire, you're missing the point. It's a comparison. What is the safest way to communicate on internet?
fb, email, or skype?!
I gave you data, that skype is the safest way (and free). You keep sending me articles, but you don't make any points!
...............................
In the last article you sent, says that they are trying to eavesdrop a conversation when one side of the Call is a regular phone.
This applies to the technology that skype uses on mobile phones.
They try to eavesdrop on the exchange point where the mobile phone network and the internet server meet. They are trying to eavesdrop at that point.
They care about the calls that work like a regular mobile phonecall. That's their problem.
...............................
Personally i DONT use any tracking applications on my mobile phone, and definitely WONT use skype on my phone.
The Security protocol that skype uses over the internet is the most secure there is. It's the same security that e-banking systems use.
WHY someone that has the technology and means to break the security of an e-banking system, waste their time to eavesdrop your chat conversation over skype?
...............................
I can understand that you're trying to be cautious, but think about it...
this whole conversation we're having on these groups right now is monitored and will remain on the servers of yahoo forever (hypothetically). And also in all the email inboxes of the all the members subscribed to this group that get email updates.
So... if we're having a personal conversation... i ask you... what is SAFER... talking through these groups, or talking through skype?!
In these groups... ANYONE CAN EVESDROP AT WILL... and without even trying
But with skype, they have to try really hard, AND have the technology and the means to eavesdrop.
I think it's hypocritical for anyone to use these groups daily in which ANYONE CAN EAVESDROP... and then refuse to use skype just because there is a slight probability for someone (with great skill, technology and means) to eavesdrop.
I rest my case, and won't waste anymore time on this subject
...............................
Again, I'm stating again.
These groups are a great gathering place for all SS. Nothing should or could replace them because it's a good internet community. Its a good way for strangers to exchange information.
But when i want to chat with friends. I choose skype OVER email, fb (which i don't have anyway), mobile, regular phone, or any other way of communication.
Do you get me now?
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
TorChat is not using any cryptographic algorithms in it's protocol.
It uses a simple cryptography trick of 128bits (can be broken easily).
On the other hand the skype protocol, uses RC4 cryptography protocol with 2.048bits keys and also uses obfuscations on the packets that are sent.
Like I said, if anyone can break the RC4 protocol, they can also break an e-banking system as they use similar cryptography algorithms.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
I admit it's true that it's not the worst safety-wise, but it's not the safest either. There are anonymous chat services. See TorChat for example. It's an anonymous IM. If skype which can be eavesdropped is the safest, then what is TorChat??
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
OK mea culpa on the article, but the logic still stands. It's a comparison.
And my point was on your first post where you stated:
"No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise."
I've proven to you... that... NO... ITS THE SAFEST ONE. That was the whole point.
I hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
You didn't really read the article carefully. It says they eavesdropped BOTH when on the one end was an ordinary phone AND between computers. REally. ""when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of 'audio, video, chat, and file transfers' when Skype users connect by computer alone."
Note the part "by computer alone"
The comparison between skype and groups is like comparing apples and oranges. In fact if you want a personal conversation you'll send it via IM or private emails and not in the public group. Duh. How is it hypocritical that I use the groups??In fact as you may know I never give any personal info on the groups, I only talk about these matters for which I don't give a shit about whether they eavesdrop or not, and so many others. No logical person will post here their secret sexual fantasies or other things he's afraid an infiltrator will learn. FYI Years ago, an infiltrator copypasted a post here to a JoS-bashing site and twisted its meaning to prove I'm a "bad racist". I didn't really care at all because that was not important at all.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Fire, you're missing the point. It's a comparison. What is the safest way to communicate on internet?
fb, email, or skype?!
I gave you data, that skype is the safest way (and free). You keep sending me articles, but you don't make any points!
...............................
In the last article you sent, says that they are trying to eavesdrop a conversation when one side of the Call is a regular phone.
This applies to the technology that skype uses on mobile phones.
They try to eavesdrop on the exchange point where the mobile phone network and the internet server meet. They are trying to eavesdrop at that point.
They care about the calls that work like a regular mobile phonecall. That's their problem.
...............................
Personally i DONT use any tracking applications on my mobile phone, and definitely WONT use skype on my phone.
The Security protocol that skype uses over the internet is the most secure there is. It's the same security that e-banking systems use.
WHY someone that has the technology and means to break the security of an e-banking system, waste their time to eavesdrop your chat conversation over skype?
...............................
I can understand that you're trying to be cautious, but think about it...
this whole conversation we're having on these groups right now is monitored and will remain on the servers of yahoo forever (hypothetically). And also in all the email inboxes of the all the members subscribed to this group that get email updates.
So... if we're having a personal conversation... i ask you... what is SAFER... talking through these groups, or talking through skype?!
In these groups... ANYONE CAN EVESDROP AT WILL... and without even trying
But with skype, they have to try really hard, AND have the technology and the means to eavesdrop.
I think it's hypocritical for anyone to use these groups daily in which ANYONE CAN EAVESDROP... and then refuse to use skype just because there is a slight probability for someone (with great skill, technology and means) to eavesdrop.
I rest my case, and won't waste anymore time on this subject
...............................
Again, I'm stating again.
These groups are a great gathering place for all SS. Nothing should or could replace them because it's a good internet community. Its a good way for strangers to exchange information.
But when i want to chat with friends. I choose skype OVER email, fb (which i don't have anyway), mobile, regular phone, or any other way of communication.
Do you get me now?
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
[/TD]
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
"All TorChat traffic is encrypted end-to-end.
There are some misunderstandings floating around regarding Tor and encryption. Whenever I mention Tor and encryption in the same sentence the immediate reflex response of many people is: "But Tor provides no encryption!" This statement is true for most applications but not for all. The most commonly known usage of Tor is to use it as an anonymizer for traffic between the anonymous user and a publicly available service in the Internet and while the traffic will travel encrypted through the Tor network it MUST at some point leave the Tor network and enter the unencrypted internet to reach its final destination. This is the origin of the above mentioned "Tor provides no encryption" and it is undoubtedly true for this most widely known and practiced application of Tor and users should understand it.
However, there exists another and less commonly known mode of operation in which two Tor clients can initiate a fully encrypted peer-to-peer connection between each other that will not leave the Tor network at any point! This is what TorChat is using. Both clients build a normal 3 node circuit from each end to some random tor node in the middle to "meet" there and connect their circuits with each other. Upon connection another layer of encryption is established reaching through from one client to the other, building one uninterrupted encrypted tunnel through all 6 nodes between the two end points. This means all TorChat traffic is end2end encrypted. There are no exit nodes involved in this mode, at no point other than your and your buddies own computer will the traffic ever leave the Tor network.
This less known Tor mode is called Tor hidden services, you can read more about it on the above link. It effectively allows true hidden peer-to-peer networks, there are just not many softwares that make any use of its peer-to-peer capability, most use it more in a traditional client-server manner, TorChat is one of the few (and at the moment I don't know of any other)."
This is in the TorChat's page.
Skype actually uses 256 bit AES encryption, not what you said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security
Skype as I showed is monitored by Microsoft's PRISM program.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
TorChat is not using any cryptographic algorithms in it's protocol.
It uses a simple cryptography trick of 128bits (can be broken easily).
On the other hand the skype protocol, uses RC4 cryptography protocol with 2.048bits keys and also uses obfuscations on the packets that are sent.
Like I said, if anyone can break the RC4 protocol, they can also break an e-banking system as they use similar cryptography algorithms.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
I admit it's true that it's not the worst safety-wise, but it's not the safest either. There are anonymous chat services. See TorChat for example. It's an anonymous IM. If skype which can be eavesdropped is the safest, then what is TorChat??
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
OK mea culpa on the article, but the logic still stands. It's a comparison.
And my point was on your first post where you stated:
"No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise."
I've proven to you... that... NO... ITS THE SAFEST ONE. That was the whole point.
I hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
You didn't really read the article carefully. It says they eavesdropped BOTH when on the one end was an ordinary phone AND between computers. REally. ""when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of 'audio, video, chat, and file transfers' when Skype users connect by computer alone."
Note the part "by computer alone"
The comparison between skype and groups is like comparing apples and oranges. In fact if you want a personal conversation you'll send it via IM or private emails and not in the public group. Duh. How is it hypocritical that I use the groups??In fact as you may know I never give any personal info on the groups, I only talk about these matters for which I don't give a shit about whether they eavesdrop or not, and so many others. No logical person will post here their secret sexual fantasies or other things he's afraid an infiltrator will learn. FYI Years ago, an infiltrator copypasted a post here to a JoS-bashing site and twisted its meaning to prove I'm a "bad racist". I didn't really care at all because that was not important at all.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Fire, you're missing the point. It's a comparison. What is the safest way to communicate on internet?
fb, email, or skype?!
I gave you data, that skype is the safest way (and free). You keep sending me articles, but you don't make any points!
...............................
In the last article you sent, says that they are trying to eavesdrop a conversation when one side of the Call is a regular phone.
This applies to the technology that skype uses on mobile phones.
They try to eavesdrop on the exchange point where the mobile phone network and the internet server meet. They are trying to eavesdrop at that point.
They care about the calls that work like a regular mobile phonecall. That's their problem.
...............................
Personally i DONT use any tracking applications on my mobile phone, and definitely WONT use skype on my phone.
The Security protocol that skype uses over the internet is the most secure there is. It's the same security that e-banking systems use.
WHY someone that has the technology and means to break the security of an e-banking system, waste their time to eavesdrop your chat conversation over skype?
...............................
I can understand that you're trying to be cautious, but think about it...
this whole conversation we're having on these groups right now is monitored and will remain on the servers of yahoo forever (hypothetically). And also in all the email inboxes of the all the members subscribed to this group that get email updates.
So... if we're having a personal conversation... i ask you... what is SAFER... talking through these groups, or talking through skype?!
In these groups... ANYONE CAN EVESDROP AT WILL... and without even trying
But with skype, they have to try really hard, AND have the technology and the means to eavesdrop.
I think it's hypocritical for anyone to use these groups daily in which ANYONE CAN EAVESDROP... and then refuse to use skype just because there is a slight probability for someone (with great skill, technology and means) to eavesdrop.
I rest my case, and won't waste anymore time on this subject
...............................
Again, I'm stating again.
These groups are a great gathering place for all SS. Nothing should or could replace them because it's a good internet community. Its a good way for strangers to exchange information.
But when i want to chat with friends. I choose skype OVER email, fb (which i don't have anyway), mobile, regular phone, or any other way of communication.
Do you get me now?
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
.......................
And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
.......................
I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
........................................
First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
.........................................
Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
.....................................
This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
.....................................
So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@... wrote:
Fire, you keep getting stuck on details and missing the point.
.................................
But since you insist, and cannot let it go, I have to set you straight again...
"Signaling is encrypted using RC4; however, the method only obfuscates the traffic as the key can be recovered from the packet. Voice data is encrypted with AES."
When we are talking about encryption, we are not talking about one level of security but a multi-layered plan of security.
I don't have the time to explain how cryptography and security works just so you can understand all the details involved.
.................................
If you want to trust my knowledge on the subject, do it. Otherwise don't try to convince me by providing links. I didn't learn Computer Science by studying links.
Just end the argument. There's no reason to give one link after just to prove your knowledge on the subject. This is a JoS group, not an IT group. I have no time to argue about Computer Science.
I hope you can understand
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
"All TorChat traffic is encrypted end-to-end.
There are some misunderstandings floating around regarding Tor and encryption. Whenever I mention Tor and encryption in the same sentence the immediate reflex response of many people is: "But Tor provides no encryption!" This statement is true for most applications but not for all. The most commonly known usage of Tor is to use it as an anonymizer for traffic between the anonymous user and a publicly available service in the Internet and while the traffic will travel encrypted through the Tor network it MUST at some point leave the Tor network and enter the unencrypted internet to reach its final destination. This is the origin of the above mentioned "Tor provides no encryption" and it is undoubtedly true for this most widely known and practiced application of Tor and users should understand it.
However, there exists another and less commonly known mode of operation in which two Tor clients can initiate a fully encrypted peer-to-peer connection between each other that will not leave the Tor network at any point! This is what TorChat is using. Both clients build a normal 3 node circuit from each end to some random tor node in the middle to "meet" there and connect their circuits with each other. Upon connection another layer of encryption is established reaching through from one client to the other, building one uninterrupted encrypted tunnel through all 6 nodes between the two end points. This means all TorChat traffic is end2end encrypted. There are no exit nodes involved in this mode, at no point other than your and your buddies own computer will the traffic ever leave the Tor network.
This less known Tor mode is called Tor hidden services, you can read more about it on the above link. It effectively allows true hidden peer-to-peer networks, there are just not many softwares that make any use of its peer-to-peer capability, most use it more in a traditional client-server manner, TorChat is one of the few (and at the moment I don't know of any other)."
This is in the TorChat's page.
Skype actually uses 256 bit AES encryption, not what you said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security
Skype as I showed is monitored by Microsoft's PRISM program.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
TorChat is not using any cryptographic algorithms in it's protocol.
It uses a simple cryptography trick of 128bits (can be broken easily).
On the other hand the skype protocol, uses RC4 cryptography protocol with 2.048bits keys and also uses obfuscations on the packets that are sent.
Like I said, if anyone can break the RC4 protocol, they can also break an e-banking system as they use similar cryptography algorithms.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
I admit it's true that it's not the worst safety-wise, but it's not the safest either. There are anonymous chat services. See TorChat for example. It's an anonymous IM. If skype which can be eavesdropped is the safest, then what is TorChat??
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
OK mea culpa on the article, but the logic still stands. It's a comparison.
And my point was on your first post where you stated:
"No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise."
I've proven to you... that... NO... ITS THE SAFEST ONE. That was the whole point.
I hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
You didn't really read the article carefully. It says they eavesdropped BOTH when on the one end was an ordinary phone AND between computers. REally. ""when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of 'audio, video, chat, and file transfers' when Skype users connect by computer alone."
Note the part "by computer alone"
The comparison between skype and groups is like comparing apples and oranges. In fact if you want a personal conversation you'll send it via IM or private emails and not in the public group. Duh. How is it hypocritical that I use the groups??In fact as you may know I never give any personal info on the groups, I only talk about these matters for which I don't give a shit about whether they eavesdrop or not, and so many others. No logical person will post here their secret sexual fantasies or other things he's afraid an infiltrator will learn. FYI Years ago, an infiltrator copypasted a post here to a JoS-bashing site and twisted its meaning to prove I'm a "bad racist". I didn't really care at all because that was not important at all.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Fire, you're missing the point. It's a comparison. What is the safest way to communicate on internet?
fb, email, or skype?!
I gave you data, that skype is the safest way (and free). You keep sending me articles, but you don't make any points!
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In the last article you sent, says that they are trying to eavesdrop a conversation when one side of the Call is a regular phone.
This applies to the technology that skype uses on mobile phones.
They try to eavesdrop on the exchange point where the mobile phone network and the internet server meet. They are trying to eavesdrop at that point.
They care about the calls that work like a regular mobile phonecall. That's their problem.
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Personally i DONT use any tracking applications on my mobile phone, and definitely WONT use skype on my phone.
The Security protocol that skype uses over the internet is the most secure there is. It's the same security that e-banking systems use.
WHY someone that has the technology and means to break the security of an e-banking system, waste their time to eavesdrop your chat conversation over skype?
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I can understand that you're trying to be cautious, but think about it...
this whole conversation we're having on these groups right now is monitored and will remain on the servers of yahoo forever (hypothetically). And also in all the email inboxes of the all the members subscribed to this group that get email updates.
So... if we're having a personal conversation... i ask you... what is SAFER... talking through these groups, or talking through skype?!
In these groups... ANYONE CAN EVESDROP AT WILL... and without even trying
But with skype, they have to try really hard, AND have the technology and the means to eavesdrop.
I think it's hypocritical for anyone to use these groups daily in which ANYONE CAN EAVESDROP... and then refuse to use skype just because there is a slight probability for someone (with great skill, technology and means) to eavesdrop.
I rest my case, and won't waste anymore time on this subject
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Again, I'm stating again.
These groups are a great gathering place for all SS. Nothing should or could replace them because it's a good internet community. Its a good way for strangers to exchange information.
But when i want to chat with friends. I choose skype OVER email, fb (which i don't have anyway), mobile, regular phone, or any other way of communication.
Do you get me now?
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Actually it's a false statement by Microsoft that it doesn't pass through the servers. It's been recently proven that the government can and does eavesdrop through skype:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... lings.html
In short, they've been lying for years.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
To make it a little clearer...
If anyone hacks your fb, can see ALL THE POSTS YOU'VE MADE, ALL THE PRIVATE MESSAGES, ALL THE PRIVATE PICTURES YOU HAVE ON YOUR ACCOUNT.
If anyone hacks your email, can see ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU'VE SAVED, ALL THE ARCHIVED MESSAGES, ALL THE MESSAGES IN YOUR INBOX
on the other hand...
If anyone hacks your skype... what do they get?! NOTHING...
ONLY THE NAME ACCOUNTS OF YOUR FRIENDS...
THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO FILES KEPT ON THE SERVER
THERE ARE NO LOGIN DATA KEPT ON THE SERVER
if anyone hacks your skype account they get NOTHING compared to hacking your email or fb account
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
First of all, these accounts that got hacked, had real world info.
Why create a skype account with real world info?
Secondly, these accounts had real world money in them.
Again, why put money in a skype account?
I mentioned it in my post. DONT USE REAL WORLD INFO.
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And firestarter, i didn't claim it cannot be hacked. ANYTHING CAN BE HACKED. I also mentioned it in the end of my post.
It can be hacked the same ways someone can hack your facebook, yahoo account, or email.
What i said, is that with skype, your conversations ARE HARD TO BE MONITORED COMPARED TO OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.
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I thought i was clear in what i said
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Like I said I've done my research, it not only gives your personal info if you give it (see http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype ... mpany.html), but it's the most easily hacked. And on the top of this it refuses to refund those who have been hacked. See:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Expert-S ... 9286.shtml
http://news.techeye.net/security/skype- ... pointingly
Sure it's "safe" until you get hacked like many others.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
Ok let's get some thing straight. IF and only IF you know the person you're talking with in skype... THEN... IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
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First of all, NEVER use your personal information to create an account, and NEVER use an email that is connected to the JOS groups or you use in your personal/business work. I personally use disposable emails and skype accepts them to create an account.
Firestarter, i think this disproves what you said about, skype "gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent". If there's not any info to use against you then this point is invalid.
If anyone is careless enough to provide their personal info into ANY online registration, then the blame is on them.
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Onto the second part...
From a technology point of view skype is the safest. Let me explain...
Every kind of chat you use (except skype) uses client-server architecture. This means that if you're using facebook chat (the worst kind) you are connected to the facebook servers. ALL the messages you send, pass through the FB server (and obviously get tracked and saved to their servers). This means that nothing is private in this kind of communication.
The same thing applies for yahoo messenger, the long gone msn, irc, google talk, and ALSO, ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
ALL OF THEM USE CENTRALIZED CONNECTIONS.
This means that you connect to a center of communication (server or call center) and from there you are connected to the one you want to talk with. This means that the center can MONITOR WITH EASE the information that passes through it.
Now... WHAT HAPPENS IN SKYPE? (rhetorical question)
Skype is a peer-to-peer chat program. Let me explain what this means.
You connect directly to the one you want to chat with. The server is not between you and the one you chat.
BUT SKYPE HAS A SERVER, WHAT DOES THAT DO!? (also rhetorical question)
You connect to the skype server through a secure connection (this connection has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
When you connect to the skype server the only thing that gets passed between you and the server is to get your contacts (just their skype account code. nothing else)
Then the Skype program on your computer checks each of your friends in your list if they are online.
This means that you are not connected to the server to get this info, you get this info by connecting (peer to peer) with each friend you have on skype.
When you want to chat/call/videochat with a friend, your skype and your friend's skype start a SECURE channel of communication.
This means that this is a secure channel between you and your friend.
If you start a chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
If you start a group chat with the previous two friends together, A THIRD SECURE channel of communication is created between the three of you.
[To those already using skype... have you noticed that when a friend is not online and you send them a message, the message will be delivered ONLY IF BOTH OF YOU ARE ONLINE... this happens because both skypes have to be online in order to create the secure connection... there ISN'T a server between you to hold the undelivered messages]
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This level of security makes it very hard to eavesdrop on a conversation COMPARED to the other ways of communication.
From a technology point of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
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So, bottom line... if you KNOW the person you want to chat with, i recommend skype.
If it's for strangers, stick to the groups, there's no need to have a direct connection to a stranger (who could possibly be an infiltrator)
Hope this makes sense
HAIL SATAN
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
ymailto="mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com"mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "lolobardonik" <lolobardonik@ wrote:
use against you then this point is invalid.
ANY KIND OF EMAIL, REGULAR PHONES, AND MOBILE PHONES.
has approximately the same safety like an e-banking security system. This means pretty secure for just a chat).
chat with a second friend, a NEW SECURE channel is created, and you talk with each friend with it's own secure channel.
of view, any kind of security CAN be broken, given the time and right tools, but skype is the most secure of all the other alternatives of communication.
on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
[/TD]--- [/IMG][email protected], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
No, it's actually the worst thing you can do, safety-wise. Skype is proven to be a spying tool which gives your personal info to third party sources without your consent, and it doesn't even allow you to delete your account. Even if it wasn't spying, the group would get filled with enemy infiltrators and trolls since there would be no moderation or approval of posts there. In this time of spiritual war and the fact that we are a threat to the enemy we're aiming for safety, not convenience.
--- [/IMG][email protected], "spiritstrider1" <chris.deluis@ wrote:
Wouldn't it be ideal to make an official Skype group for us all to congregate and socialise in? I would seriously love to chat with any of you on Skype, possibly make friends and so on. Im always up for making friends with the same ideals and beliefs as we go on the same journey as a god! christaurus3.
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