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Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

—


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Don" <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

—


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@... wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

—


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Sure they can....and then they set off a whole new can of worms cuz next here comes Iran, or Turkey, or Egypt? or even the US on the defensive.

Let IZRAEL BURN, AND BE BOMBED OFF THE MAP.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

—


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations, they thought would succeed. But in the actual world, it seems all their plans backtracked in the end, because they never expected some stuff.

Check some stuff like pisslam. They actually made that programm to control Gentiles and it turned out the most hateful group that will resort in crimes without a thought against jews, are pisslam believers. For instance in Greece, you will see people believing in orthodox xianity, though they have invented some lies upon lies and Greeks are very anti-semetic. They just cannot defeat the hate.


Sorry for the other post.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

—


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."




War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Samson defense? So they will use some sort of nuclear warfare? :-\



------------------------------
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:13 PM EST Don Danko wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."




War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
What happened in the myth of Samson. Enough said.    As a interesting side note Samson it turns out was stolen from Hercules.
From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:35:29 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
 
Samson defense? So they will use some sort of nuclear warfare? :-\

------------------------------
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:13 PM EST Don Danko wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <mailto:hoodedcobra666%40yahoo.com
To: mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."




War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Thank you.



------------------------------
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:41 PM EST Don Danko wrote:

What happened in the myth of Samson. Enough said.
 
 
 
 
As a interesting side note Samson it turns out was stolen from Hercules.


________________________________
From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:35:29 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 


Samson defense? So they will use some sort of nuclear warfare? :-\

------------------------------
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:13 PM EST Don Danko wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <mailto:hoodedcobra666%40yahoo.com
To: mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."




War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
I understand, they are not to be underestimated. Especially with all these jews they have in other goverments. Which is just fucked up. This is the only thing concerning me. We know Obama is part jewish. Vladimir Putin, if I'm not mistaken is a part jewish too, but I'm not sure.

"Samson, who appears in the Old Testament of the Bible, was an exceptionally strong hero of the Israelites of the ancient Near East. According to the story, an angel visited Samson's parents before his birth to tell them they would have a son. The boy was to be raised devoted to God, and he must also refuse all strong drink and never cut his hair.

Samson had tremendous physical strength and led the Israelites against the Philistines*. He performed many remarkable feats, such as killing 1,000 men using only the jawbone of a donkey as a weapon. However, he fell in love with a woman named Delilah, who tricked him into telling her the source of his strength—his long, thick hair. While Samson was asleep one night, Delilah cut off his hair. Samson grew weak and the Philistines seized him. They put out his eyes and chained him to pillars in the temple of their god Dagon. After a time Samson's hair grew back, and his strength returned. During a celebration in the temple, Samson pulled down the pillars to which he was chained. The temple collapsed, killing Samson and all the Philistines inside."

So yea here is the myth. I think easily we can figure out what this jew Samson myth is all about. They just chained him and then anyone got to the grave with him, in actuality. Which gives out a clear meaning. I hope it won't happen that way and that we will keep them bald and when bald, eradicate the cause, not the symptom.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!





--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@ wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War â€" Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

â€"


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Hoodedcobra thank you for that added information.


------------------------------
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:30 PM EST hoodedcobra666 wrote:

I understand, they are not to be underestimated. Especially with all these jews they have in other goverments. Which is just fucked up. This is the only thing concerning me. We know Obama is part jewish. Vladimir Putin, if I'm not mistaken is a part jewish too, but I'm not sure.

"Samson, who appears in the Old Testament of the Bible, was an exceptionally strong hero of the Israelites of the ancient Near East. According to the story, an angel visited Samson's parents before his birth to tell them they would have a son. The boy was to be raised devoted to God, and he must also refuse all strong drink and never cut his hair.

Samson had tremendous physical strength and led the Israelites against the Philistines*. He performed many remarkable feats, such as killing 1,000 men using only the jawbone of a donkey as a weapon. However, he fell in love with a woman named Delilah, who tricked him into telling her the source of his strength—his long, thick hair. While Samson was asleep one night, Delilah cut off his hair. Samson grew weak and the Philistines seized him. They put out his eyes and chained him to pillars in the temple of their god Dagon. After a time Samson's hair grew back, and his strength returned. During a celebration in the temple, Samson pulled down the pillars to which he was chained. The temple collapsed, killing Samson and all the Philistines inside."

So yea here is the myth. I think easily we can figure out what this jew Samson myth is all about. They just chained him and then anyone got to the grave with him, in actuality. Which gives out a clear meaning. I hope it won't happen that way and that we will keep them bald and when bald, eradicate the cause, not the symptom.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!





--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@ wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


---------------------------------------------------------

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War â€" Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

â€"


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
I wouldn't celebrate just yet. Israel never honors their deals (what do you expect from Jews) and several American navy ships are heading toward the region. It is being said that it is because Obama promised these forces is the only reason they agreed to the cease fire.

Personally I was hoping they would be stupid and launch the ground invasion and loose all international support. Sadly Israel is a coward and didn't go through with it even though they know their days are numbered.

Everyone wish Palestine the best as they head to the UN to get recognized in the General Assembly.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Don" <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

—


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
isn't obama involved in satanism tho??Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!From: "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@... Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:30:50 -0000To: <[email protected]ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  I understand, they are not to be underestimated. Especially with all these jews they have in other goverments. Which is just fucked up. This is the only thing concerning me. We know Obama is part jewish. Vladimir Putin, if I'm not mistaken is a part jewish too, but I'm not sure.

"Samson, who appears in the Old Testament of the Bible, was an exceptionally strong hero of the Israelites of the ancient Near East. According to the story, an angel visited Samson's parents before his birth to tell them they would have a son. The boy was to be raised devoted to God, and he must also refuse all strong drink and never cut his hair.

Samson had tremendous physical strength and led the Israelites against the Philistines*. He performed many remarkable feats, such as killing 1,000 men using only the jawbone of a donkey as a weapon. However, he fell in love with a woman named Delilah, who tricked him into telling her the source of his strength&#8212;his long, thick hair. While Samson was asleep one night, Delilah cut off his hair. Samson grew weak and the Philistines seized him. They put out his eyes and chained him to pillars in the temple of their god Dagon. After a time Samson's hair grew back, and his strength returned. During a celebration in the temple, Samson pulled down the pillars to which he was chained. The temple collapsed, killing Samson and all the Philistines inside."

So yea here is the myth. I think easily we can figure out what this jew Samson myth is all about. They just chained him and then anyone got to the grave with him, in actuality. Which gives out a clear meaning. I hope it won't happen that way and that we will keep them bald and when bald, eradicate the cause, not the symptom.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@ wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War â€" Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

â€"


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Mount an offensive? As the article shows with what army? Their military is falling apart. Hamas delt them a military defeat. Thats why they where forced to the table. Given how Hamas has changed the israeli's where probably expecting another Lebanon.  Russia is also sending warships to the region.
From: Kevin <kevin_burkhard@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:13:34 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  I wouldn't celebrate just yet. Israel never honors their deals (what do you expect from Jews) and several American navy ships are heading toward the region. It is being said that it is because Obama promised these forces is the only reason they agreed to the cease fire.

Personally I was hoping they would be stupid and launch the ground invasion and loose all international support. Sadly Israel is a coward and didn't go through with it even though they know their days are numbered.

Everyone wish Palestine the best as they head to the UN to get recognized in the General Assembly.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War – Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."




War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
No.
From: "will199313@..." <will199313@...
To: JOS main E-group email address Email main E-group email address <[email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:35:20 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  isn't obama involved in satanism tho??Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!From: "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@... Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:30:50 -0000To: <[email protected]ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  I understand, they are not to be underestimated. Especially with all these jews they have in other goverments. Which is just fucked up. This is the only thing concerning me. We know Obama is part jewish. Vladimir Putin, if I'm not mistaken is a part jewish too, but I'm not sure.

"Samson, who appears in the Old Testament of the Bible, was an exceptionally strong hero of the Israelites of the ancient Near East. According to the story, an angel visited Samson's parents before his birth to tell them they would have a son. The boy was to be raised devoted to God, and he must also refuse all strong drink and never cut his hair.

Samson had tremendous physical strength and led the Israelites against the Philistines*. He performed many remarkable feats, such as killing 1,000 men using only the jawbone of a donkey as a weapon. However, he fell in love with a woman named Delilah, who tricked him into telling her the source of his strength&#8212;his long, thick hair. While Samson was asleep one night, Delilah cut off his hair. Samson grew weak and the Philistines seized him. They put out his eyes and chained him to pillars in the temple of their god Dagon. After a time Samson's hair grew back, and his strength returned. During a celebration in the temple, Samson pulled down the pillars to which he was chained. The temple collapsed, killing Samson and all the Philistines inside."

So yea here is the myth. I think easily we can figure out what this jew Samson myth is all about. They just chained him and then anyone got to the grave with him, in actuality. Which gives out a clear meaning. I hope it won't happen that way and that we will keep them bald and when bald, eradicate the cause, not the symptom.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!

--- [/IMG][email protected], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: <a rel="nofollow">[email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@ wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

<a rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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<a rel="nofollow">http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War â€" Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

â€"


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Oh.. I have a question... But stupid bt I'm really curious fr this 1, is Lil wayne a satanist?Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 06:51:19 -0800 (PST)To: [email protected]<[email protected]ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  No.
From: "will199313@..." <will199313@...
To: JOS main E-group email address Email main E-group email address <[email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:35:20 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  isn't obama involved in satanism tho??Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!From: "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@... Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:30:50 -0000To: <[email protected]ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  I understand, they are not to be underestimated. Especially with all these jews they have in other goverments. Which is just fucked up. This is the only thing concerning me. We know Obama is part jewish. Vladimir Putin, if I'm not mistaken is a part jewish too, but I'm not sure.

"Samson, who appears in the Old Testament of the Bible, was an exceptionally strong hero of the Israelites of the ancient Near East. According to the story, an angel visited Samson's parents before his birth to tell them they would have a son. The boy was to be raised devoted to God, and he must also refuse all strong drink and never cut his hair.

Samson had tremendous physical strength and led the Israelites against the Philistines*. He performed many remarkable feats, such as killing 1,000 men using only the jawbone of a donkey as a weapon. However, he fell in love with a woman named Delilah, who tricked him into telling her the source of his strength&#8212;his long, thick hair. While Samson was asleep one night, Delilah cut off his hair. Samson grew weak and the Philistines seized him. They put out his eyes and chained him to pillars in the temple of their god Dagon. After a time Samson's hair grew back, and his strength returned. During a celebration in the temple, Samson pulled down the pillars to which he was chained. The temple collapsed, killing Samson and all the Philistines inside."

So yea here is the myth. I think easily we can figure out what this jew Samson myth is all about. They just chained him and then anyone got to the grave with him, in actuality. Which gives out a clear meaning. I hope it won't happen that way and that we will keep them bald and when bald, eradicate the cause, not the symptom.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!

--- [/IMG][email protected], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Israel will probably use its Samson defense  sooner or later. They almost went jooclear on Sryia in 1973. They are sitting on the worlds sixth largest stock on them. Never discount the jewish hubris.


________________________________
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: <a rel="nofollow">[email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:03:29 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

Yes they always think they can launch all this but I think they are inware of other defence systems or systems of attack, especially from Russia and USA. They think they press the button and that we're all gone, but I don't think so. The cockyness of pissisrael will mean its death I think. They pretty much the thing it writes here, it cannot defend itself against rockets anyways. So I guess who is going to survive a nuclear war, pissarael or the rest of the world. Some bombs and they will be gone for real. They are a small rat country anyways. Unless their big bro USA supports them, they will become dust if they resort to any of this. Though who knows, nuclear war might in the end be unavoidable.

I don't really care about death or about my own death or something, I only care about the Earth as she really doesn't deserve it in anyway, nuclear weapons will destroy the planet and remember that even the enemy does want the planet for themselves. So this is a little trick they use that they will destroy us all bla bla bla. Thats my opinion on this. Though I believe Satan has it all under control. We need to fight the kikes in anyway and energy works in mysterious ways. They may want to finish us off but in the end, I don't think they will succeed and our efforts will lessen the damage by a long shot. Everyone is starting to hate them anyways, globally. Because of the economical crysis, they all look to the jew and hop back to being ethnic, as this stance saved our existence to be honest. Its just that. The weapons they have been using, in their estimations

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@ wrote:

My biggest fear is that Israel will use the nukes it has. It has thousands of nuclear weapons and as their military generals have bragged can launch them at targets in all directions.

Do you believe they would actually use them if they were in danger of losing their land? I sure do. They are obsessed with it.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "hoodedcobra666" <hoodedcobra666@ wrote:

"America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years."

I laughed at this. This is what happens when you get a rat in an airplane, lmao.

Also, I think the problem was more that none knew about the jewish threatening. They were kinda invisible and knowledge wasn't flowing so obvious to the populace. Now the populace knows very well and more and more nations and people are getting informed. You can't defeat someone if you don't know who they are. Now more and more people do. Its so laughable, that the little 50 year old kike stolen ground country is getting so overconfient. Its obvious they are losing power and the world really is starting to hate them. We can see and feel the change. Basically its just fucked up, they seem to be in complete lack of control and chaos, despite of what they try to show outwards. This seems to be globally felt. They do wrong moves and there is a general chaos in pissrael as it seems.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

<a rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War â€" Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

â€"


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
Hamas never engaged in direct confrontation with IDF so there was no decisive victory. There is also more going on in the region such as Egyptian President Morsi a Muslim Brotherhood member declaring dictatorial powers, America setting up a proxy army in the Middle East, and Qatar trying to curry favor with Hamas. Qatar wants regime change in Syria which would allow the Zionists to secure their control of the region.

Also keep in mind hours after the Cease fire Israel violated the terms so there is no momentous victory against Zionists outside the Media campaign that showed them they don't control the media anymore. Now though the UN wants to control the internet so they will have that control back if the Internet treaty passes.

And that is just what I've heard meaning there is probably more going on in the background. Keep in mind another important question I'm personally wondering is if the current generation cares about Israel like their grand fathers did? Or have they moved on like the rest of the world to a more united view.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Mount an offensive? As the article shows with what army? Their military is falling apart. Hamas delt them a military defeat. Thats why they where forced to the table. Given how Hamas has changed the israeli's where probably expecting another Lebanon.
 
Russia is also sending warships to the region.


________________________________
From: Kevin <kevin_burkhard@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:13:34 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

I wouldn't celebrate just yet. Israel never honors their deals (what do you expect from Jews) and several American navy ships are heading toward the region. It is being said that it is because Obama promised these forces is the only reason they agreed to the cease fire.

Personally I was hoping they would be stupid and launch the ground invasion and loose all international support. Sadly Israel is a coward and didn't go through with it even though they know their days are numbered.

Everyone wish Palestine the best as they head to the UN to get recognized in the General Assembly.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War â€" Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

â€"


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 
As the article stated Israel came to the table because they realized they could not defeat Hamas in a military conflict and their "Iron Dome." Defense was a total and costly failure. The rest is just bluster on there part. That is a victory for Hamas as even the Israeli new papers whine the cease fire was.
From: Kevin <kevin_burkhard@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:08:40 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas
  Hamas never engaged in direct confrontation with IDF so there was no decisive victory. There is also more going on in the region such as Egyptian President Morsi a Muslim Brotherhood member declaring dictatorial powers, America setting up a proxy army in the Middle East, and Qatar trying to curry favor with Hamas. Qatar wants regime change in Syria which would allow the Zionists to secure their control of the region.

Also keep in mind hours after the Cease fire Israel violated the terms so there is no momentous victory against Zionists outside the Media campaign that showed them they don't control the media anymore. Now though the UN wants to control the internet so they will have that control back if the Internet treaty passes.

And that is just what I've heard meaning there is probably more going on in the background. Keep in mind another important question I'm personally wondering is if the current generation cares about Israel like their grand fathers did? Or have they moved on like the rest of the world to a more united view.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Mount an offensive? As the article shows with what army? Their military is falling apart. Hamas delt them a military defeat. Thats why they where forced to the table. Given how Hamas has changed the israeli's where probably expecting another Lebanon.
 
Russia is also sending warships to the region.


________________________________
From: Kevin <kevin_burkhard@...
To: mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:13:34 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas


 

I wouldn't celebrate just yet. Israel never honors their deals (what do you expect from Jews) and several American navy ships are heading toward the region. It is being said that it is because Obama promised these forces is the only reason they agreed to the cease fire.

Personally I was hoping they would be stupid and launch the ground invasion and loose all international support. Sadly Israel is a coward and didn't go through with it even though they know their days are numbered.

Everyone wish Palestine the best as they head to the UN to get recognized in the General Assembly.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

Israel Delt Major Defeat By Hamas

My note this article reveals the fact Israel was defeated by Hamas and the reasons for it. The Jews are good at putting up a bs front to hide this fact. Note most of the Jews are too lazy and cowardly to even show up when called up to duty or show up for their service in the full time branch. This is not out of any higher moral reasons. The Jew is a moral and physical coward. Who likes to have the Goy do all the fighting and dieing for them. 300 lightly armed, Hezbollah troops sent their entire army running from lebanon in 2006.

Note the zero amount of Jewish combat troops in any major war. Even when millions of them lived in a certain nation at war. Most where either given free exemptions from service with the aid of bogus notes by fellow Jewish doctors. Or given safe postions in the military hundreds of miles behind the front lines. Of course after the war we are told every Jew was Rambo. This behaviour has been noted for centuries by authors.

This article also shows Israel is literally falling apart and the tide is turning against it.

Another interesting fact Israel was attacking the press in Gaza to attempt to stop any truth getting out and given them a freer hand in murdering the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MFAfQJKlAM

Abby Martin highlights the Israeli Military's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists, including the RT office in Gaza, and calls out the Israeli government to for making veiled threats to RT's headquarters in Moscow.


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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21 ... tary-ruse/

Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Press TV: Gaza War â€" Israel's Military Ruse

Gaza war, Israel's military ruse to evade weakness



By Gordon Duff and Press TV




"What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades."

â€"


War is now and always has been the "mother of lies." The Gaza War of 2012, based on the timing, by American holiday standards, "The Thanksgiving War," is no exception.

The lies we deal with today involve political motivations that drive Israel and the "fog of war," military deception Israel is using to hide its weakness.Surprisingly, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fired the opening salvo, exposing the malodorous political underbelly of politics that is behind every military move Israel has ever made since it's embryonic terrorist beginnings while under British rule.

Erdogan spoke out in Cairo at a Turkish-Egyptian Business Forum:


"Israel also attacked Gaza in 2008 prior to elections. Now elections are coming again and it is doing the same thing. I am calling on Netanyahu. We are not in 2008. We are in 2012 and conditions are different than 2008. Make your calculations correctly.

I am calling on Israel and Gaza to provide a cease-fire immediately, within 24 hours. Extending the situation will not bring anything to either side.

While Israel is attacking and sabotaging the peace, there will be no security or stability for any country in the region.

The party using disproportionate force is obvious; humanity will not forgive this if sovereign countries defend injustice under the guise of preserving Israel and its security.

This hypocrisy should end. These double standards should end.

I had a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the issue. I asked them to convince Israel and to give an important assurance. Israel did not accord with the previous Cairo ceasefire agreement, and I told them that this could not be repeated again."


Missing from Erdogan's remarks were reminders of Netanyahu's disastrous "landslide" defeat in the American presidential elections. His surrogate did not just lose an election but destroyed his political party in the process and has, in subsequent remarks, proven himself psychologically unqualified for any position of responsibility or trust.Romney and Netanyahu would have made a good team.

The myth of Israeli invincibility shattered…again

Israel is currently facing its biggest military challenge in decades. No, not from Hamas, but rather locating the 75,000 reservists recently called up for active service. With over 50% of Israeli's now refusing compulsory military service, Israel now depends on its reserves, poorly trained, undisciplined, but well armed, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Israel still maintains two divisions that are, by American standards, combat ready, but no more than that. Years of sniping at civilians in Gaza from guard towers or dropping cluster bombs on unarmed Palestinians has not been able to erase the memory of the 2006 incursion into Lebanon and the lessons Israel may well be reminded of again.Fewer than 300 Hezbollah fighters using modern shoulder mounted weapons destroyed Israeli tanks and helicopters with ease.

Israel claims they faced an army of 25,000. What you will find is that all news of the Israeli humiliation in Lebanon and their retaliatory frenzy that resulted in bombing civilian neighborhoods in Beirut have been wiped from history, the Internet and, to some, "the sands of time."

Not all have forgotten.

Gaza and international law

Every day, weapons are being shipped into Gaza, through Egypt, weapons from every Islamic nation other than the "puppet Gulf States."

The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School describes blockades as legal only so long as they can be effective. The concept of the Gaza blockade is now in direct contravention of all relevant international conventions.

Since the blockade of Gaza requires the full and absolute cooperation of the Egyptian government, cooperation that has obviously ended, currently Israel's blockade is now classified as a "paper blockade" and has no legal standing.

The Camp David Accords of 1979 were never intended to allow the creation of an apartheid state or for Gaza to become an open-air prison.

The accords, intended to create a lasting framework for peace also clearly established a criteria for renewed conflict.

Today, that conflict could involve nations from Tunis to Jakarta.

Military reality

Exposing the hypocrisy of Israel's "Iron Dome" or "Iron Yamuka" air defense system requires elementary arithmetic skills, something obviously beyond the typical "international investigative journalist" of the "pop culture media."

One of the "stealth voices" of Israel's "fog of war" deception program within the United States is the Daily Beast, a Newsweek "on line" publication owned by Jane Harmon, an Israeli hoping to be nominated to replace Secretary Clinton.

Friends of Harmon and Netanyahu are orchestrating the attacks on Ambassador Susan Rice, the frontrunner for that position, making wild conspiratorial accusations in what has become a "witch hunt" reminiscent of America's HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) fiasco of the 1950s.

Harmon's publication, considered "liberal and progressive," stated the following today:


"In a conversation with The Daily Beast, Pedatzur admitted being "pleasantly surprised" by the performance of system (the "Iron Dome") over the past week. But he said the price of operating the system was prohibitively high. Each Iron Dome missile costs around $50,000. Israel fires at least two every time it targets a rocket.

Most of the rockets the system is designed to intercept are manufactured in Gaza at a fraction of the price-sometimes for just a few hundred dollars.

The contrast reflects a broader disproportion in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But other analysts say it's more relevant to compare the price of the missile with the cost of the damage it prevents."

The actual basis of the "Iron Dome system is the PAC-3 or "Patriot 3" missile system, an advanced system capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles in addition to American AEGIS destroyers which were to be "posted" off the Israeli cost.The naval contingent, as some may note, is not only "not there," but not "on the way there" either.

Israel also builds a domestic system capable of limited interception of short-range missiles, 1980s technology "with lipstick."

The missiles the Rafael system were designed to intercept are the former Soviet "Vietnam Era" Grad missiles such as those used in Afghanistan against American airbases, not those Hamas is using which possess nearly half the range of the German V2 rockets used against London during World War II.

Hiding this fact from the public is what media assets, who publish unverified press releases from Israel as fact, have done to help prolong a conflict an informed Israeli population would reconsider.

Israel is intercepting some missiles fired by Hamas, but they are using their American supplied Patriot 3 batteries to do it.

Continual claims are made that Israel's "Iron Dome" system missiles are expensive at $50,000 each. Their actual cost, for missiles that successfully intercept less than 25% of the time, is more like $125,000.

Real "high probability" intercepts are done by the American missiles.

As Hamas has fired, at this writing, over 1200 missiles into Israel, many of them M-75 long range rockets capable of reaching beyond Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, missiles Israel openly admits it never planned for, it is also only logical to admit that claims of intercepts are equally inaccurate.

What does an American missile cost? Here is what Global Research says on that, comparing the PAC-3 to the PAC-2, a missile far more advanced than the Israeli "Tamir."



"The biggest difference between the PAC-2 and the PAC-3, and the thing that allows the PAC-3 to actually hit its target, is the fact that the PAC-3 has its own built-in radar transmitter and guidance computer.
The operational differences between the PAC-2 and PAC-3…PAC-3 missiles currently cost $2 to $3 million each. (See this Web site and this site for details.)"


When we looked for the details as promised, following the links provided, we received error messages. The reality behind the "Iron Dome" is best described as "smoke and mirrors."

The real cost of defending Israel from retribution for their bombing of the civilian population of Gaza is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israel, using American money of course, is spending an average of five million dollars on everything that comes out of Gaza, from the "bottle rockets" that cost a few dollars to the long-range M 75 missiles that are able to strike any target in Israel.

The key, of course, is the lying.

The Iron Dome uses American missiles designed to intercept ICBMs, not small artillery rockets used in salvo.

It is not just an economy of scale; it is the nature of the mission. If a Patriot 3 launcher with four missiles is emptied, costing millions of dollars, on two Hamas "kitchen sink" rockets a third of an "iron dome" battery is out of service until resupplied and rearmed.

The "domestic" systems, touted to the press are simply there for "cover and deception."

The actual system itself has been overwhelmed from the first.

With 900 rockets fired initially and all subject to attempted intercept, Israel has spent its entire missile inventory 20 times over.

This means Israel is utterly incapable of responding to any sustained missile attack.

Thus, the issue isn't whether Israel is hitting 100% of rockets fired but that they fire on only one in ten rockets launched from Gaza.

How armed is Gaza?

America has given Israel an excellent air force with advanced fighters. Israeli pilots are well trained. They have to be.

They bomb their own people every day and have been doing so for years.

There is now reason to believe that a significant number of advanced MANPAD (shoulder fired) air defense missiles enter Gaza each hour.

The outpouring of support for groups defending the beleaguered population of Gaza may well have opened the armories of more than one newly freed Islamic state in defense of their brothers.

Advanced bombing systems in the F-16 combined with counter-measures can defeat such systems "most of the time" but obviously failed with an Israeli F-16 was shot down over Gaza this week.

Israel also had an armed drone downed, a major escalation that makes a ground attack on Gaza potentially more costly.

If two MANPAD's are in Gaza, are there a hundred or a thousand? Though shooting down an F 16 may be difficult but not impossible, downing Israeli helicopters is relatively simple and intelligence sources indicate that Kornet missiles, effective against most armoured vehicles, helicopters and troop concentrations are plentiful.

In order to counteract this level of resistance, it would be necessary to withdraw Israel's top divisions from the Golan Heights where they are currently engaged in daily exchanges with Syria.

This leaves "second and third tier" units which are more likely to suffer far higher casualties or, worse still, break and run as was seen in Lebanon in 2006.

Being a "junk yard dog" used to be easy when only Israel had "teeth."

Conclusion

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was correct in his assessment that this is no longer "2008." Israel's actions in Gaza are radicalizing Egypt, destabilizing Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf States and will quicken the end of Jordan's servile kleptocracy.

What will be left is Israel, dependent on India, flanked between Pakistan and China, dependent on Britain, France and Germany, nations buried in debt crisis and instability and dependent on the United States, a nation increasingly aware that Israel's "knife" has been in her back for decades
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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