Help of crucial knowledge is not free

[Tethys333]

There isn’t anything wrong with it, were meant to support our Clergy and our Gods above them to really make this community our spiritual home.

Exactly. That's what we need to get across.
Remember, as a life lesson, that nothing comes for free, everything requires effort and sacrifice.
Liking the post , by the way, is not a huge sacrifice, in my opinion.

 

[the_eye_of_anubis]

I literally cannot believe that you are making a complaint about something that the Clergy, that works freaking HARD for us and for The Gods, asked to do. It's an easy peasy lemon squeezy like to a post, they didn't ask you to go on a battlefield and lose your life.

I am particularly upset because this is something that is in OUR interest, a lnowledge that can only be beneficial to our development. If you are not interested in advancing and doing something for the Clergy and yourself, I guess that's your problem.

 

[FancyMancy]

@Disciple of the Serpent What victim mentality? I asked "Why 'like' a post if the information is so important?". What is victim mentality in that?

@Aquarius Let me know which of my posts are irrelevant - and saying "all of them" is a cop-out.

@Wotanwarrior I didn't say members participating is wrong. I thought very important information should be given, and those who appreciate it can thank. To everyone - shoot me in the back of my head for not seeing things the same way as everyone else.

@SoulSails13 Is asking "Why need to 'like' to receive information that is very important" bitching? As for everything else in this thread, I just replied.

@hailourtruegod If I'm wrong and obtuse, then OK. I could get better. I don't actually want nor intend to go against everything constantly. That is unneeded, and one individual won't make a difference in that, plus it would lead to such a burnout and alienation, which would just be stupid.

Regardless, the simple question I intended is "Why 'like' to receive very important information, if it is so important? Why not just have it?". It seems to have been answered...

I do ask questions to try and understand. With my past as christian just accepting everything easily and carelessly, I seem to have swung all the way to the opposite now, having become stubborn, even. The burden - and it does seem like that now - feels heavy. It has caused numerous problems, not just here at ToZ.

@Ayleth You're not wrong. I have taken my time when making threads before, but I have been more impatient lately, and like I just said - not just here at the ToZ.

@Soul Wings Speaking of validation - I think partly due to not being validated and receiving many 'likes' here, and when I bothered to try to post on twitter, etc., it fed into me to not bother doing it back.

@High Priestess Lydia In this sense, my thoughts must be skewed, in posting things that don't matter, which I thought do matter. In the Evil thread I did, that is also very important information, yet... there are 0. Zero. Not one 'like'. It might have been mostly before this new forum existed, but the posts are still there. I also post sometimes to upset others - in encouragement to do more Reverse-torah Rituals, in the hopes that they can use the influence to do so. I don't know if that works, though.

I thought, since it being said before, that threads can include other things, not just having to be meditation posts strictly, that it would be OK to post things. I posted about dystopian living standards; I have ideas for showing how governments don't care and giving examples, and whatever else, but since I haven't had many reaction likes so far, I probably won't for them, because it probably would be low quality and uninteresting and unwanted likewise. I don't like leaving things unfinished, so since I've had the ideas and been collecting things, I think I'll get around to them eventually.

@Amethystos I think a quick, simple answer is as I said above - being too easy to accept carelessly what I was told before. Now, the pendulum swung too far to the other side.

@the_eye_of_anubis I didn't say anything about me not being interested in advancing. Very important information needing to be liked to be received doesn't make sense to me. That's it.

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At this point, me going and pressing the 'like' button on such posts would seem more like something I have to do now, rather than actually meaning it personally and truthfully. I still hardly ever do these types of reactions to posts anyway, and I'm not up-to-date with reading all posts/sermons, either.

As I have said in some posts before - this is just FancyMancy posting nonsense. Just ignore it. It doesn't matter.

 

[AFODO]

and I'm not up-to-date with reading all posts/sermons, either.

You are not on a good road, do you even meditate?

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

@Disciple of the Serpent What victim mentality? I asked "Why 'like' a post if the information is so important?". What is victim mentality in that?

@Aquarius Let me know which of my posts are irrelevant - and saying "all of them" is a cop-out.

@Wotanwarrior I didn't say members participating is wrong. I thought very important information should be given, and those who appreciate it can thank. To everyone - shoot me in the back of my head for not seeing things the same way as everyone else.

@SoulSails13 Is asking "Why need to 'like' to receive information that is very important" bitching? As for everything else in this thread, I just replied.

@hailourtruegod If I'm wrong and obtuse, then OK. I could get better. I don't actually want nor intend to go against everything constantly. That is unneeded, and one individual won't make a difference in that, plus it would lead to such a burnout and alienation, which would just be stupid.

Regardless, the simple question I intended is "Why 'like' to receive very important information, if it is so important? Why not just have it?". It seems to have been answered...

I do ask questions to try and understand. With my past as christian just accepting everything easily and carelessly, I seem to have swung all the way to the opposite now, having become stubborn, even. The burden - and it does seem like that now - feels heavy. It has caused numerous problems, not just here at ToZ.

@Ayleth You're not wrong. I have taken my time when making threads before, but I have been more impatient lately, and like I just said - not just here at the ToZ.

@Soul Wings Speaking of validation - I think partly due to not being validated and receiving many 'likes' here, and when I bothered to try to post on twitter, etc., it fed into me to not bother doing it back.

@High Priestess Lydia In this sense, my thoughts must be skewed, in posting things that don't matter, which I thought do matter. In the Evil thread I did, that is also very important information, yet... there are 0. Zero. Not one 'like'. It might have been mostly before this new forum existed, but the posts are still there. I also post sometimes to upset others - in encouragement to do more Reverse-torah Rituals, in the hopes that they can use the influence to do so. I don't know if that works, though.

I thought, since it being said before, that threads can include other things, not just having to be meditation posts strictly, that it would be OK to post things. I posted about dystopian living standards; I have ideas for showing how governments don't care and giving examples, and whatever else, but since I haven't had many reaction likes so far, I probably won't for them, because it probably would be low quality and uninteresting and unwanted likewise. I don't like leaving things unfinished, so since I've had the ideas and been collecting things, I think I'll get around to them eventually.

@Amethystos I think a quick, simple answer is as I said above - being too easy to accept carelessly what I was told before. Now, the pendulum swung too far to the other side.

@the_eye_of_anubis I didn't say anything about me not being interested in advancing. Very important information needing to be liked to be received doesn't make sense to me. That's it.

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At this point, me going and pressing the 'like' button on such posts would seem more like something I have to do now, rather than actually meaning it personally and truthfully. I still hardly ever do these types of reactions to posts anyway, and I'm not up-to-date with reading all posts/sermons, either.

As I have said in some posts before - this is just FancyMancy posting nonsense. Just ignore it. It doesn't matter.

This has gone to far, +40 posts in this thread for your nonsense.
You don't want to give a like? Doesn't matter, we will reach our goal without you then.

I prefer having 150 threads with 40 post per thread about thanking all the active people here, than having one for you who did nothing besides complaining.

 

[Draconi666]

May I ask why we have to kiss arse (liking a post and asking) to receive help that is very important? Did I miss something? Maybe I should start charging for people to have the password to all my (irrelevant) posts, which I should lock. It doesn't make sense.

That's crazy statement. You want something of more serious nature and you can't show a gesture that you are willing to give, to get? Even one like?

Don't do it, probably to do a ritual for God when you need a help would look for you like a climbing to Himalayan hills if you are this way.

Kiss arse? What the hell. Feeling entitled for whatever reason to get help in advancement for granted for doing nothing?

With this attitude you can go to take what is available for public for free and it will be enough for you because that's how much you are ready to deserve.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

I mentioned ages ago this place is very religious.

“This place” is religious. We are a religion and the fact that you can’t respect that speaks more about you than “this place”.

Back in the Golden Ages religion took top priority and was a part of a healthy ethical and spiritual society.

Someone who has no religion, has nothing to stand for, is nothing.

If you think you belong here because we are an anti-religion, or we are against xianity only, you are very mistaken and here for the wrong reasons.

You have been here for years, I notice your posts, you bring zero value to this place, I don’t think you even meditate or have anything spiritual going for you. Just some ramblings about politics, xianity, and other stuff no different than an atheist. You have no wisdom.

You need to be better, you have been here for ages and wrote and read thousands of posts, this can’t be your mentality. This is not some random forum that has interesting eccentric discussions that you like as a mental hobby. This is a religion and a path and it needs to be practiced and walked upon.

 

[Epiphany]

@Disciple of the Serpent What victim mentality? I asked "Why 'like' a post if the information is so important?". What is victim mentality in that?

@Aquarius Let me know which of my posts are irrelevant - and saying "all of them" is a cop-out.

@Wotanwarrior I didn't say members participating is wrong. I thought very important information should be given, and those who appreciate it can thank. To everyone - shoot me in the back of my head for not seeing things the same way as everyone else.

@SoulSails13 Is asking "Why need to 'like' to receive information that is very important" bitching? As for everything else in this thread, I just replied.

@hailourtruegod If I'm wrong and obtuse, then OK. I could get better. I don't actually want nor intend to go against everything constantly. That is unneeded, and one individual won't make a difference in that, plus it would lead to such a burnout and alienation, which would just be stupid.

Regardless, the simple question I intended is "Why 'like' to receive very important information, if it is so important? Why not just have it?". It seems to have been answered...

I do ask questions to try and understand. With my past as christian just accepting everything easily and carelessly, I seem to have swung all the way to the opposite now, having become stubborn, even. The burden - and it does seem like that now - feels heavy. It has caused numerous problems, not just here at ToZ.

@Ayleth You're not wrong. I have taken my time when making threads before, but I have been more impatient lately, and like I just said - not just here at the ToZ.

@Soul Wings Speaking of validation - I think partly due to not being validated and receiving many 'likes' here, and when I bothered to try to post on twitter, etc., it fed into me to not bother doing it back.

@High Priestess Lydia In this sense, my thoughts must be skewed, in posting things that don't matter, which I thought do matter. In the Evil thread I did, that is also very important information, yet... there are 0. Zero. Not one 'like'. It might have been mostly before this new forum existed, but the posts are still there. I also post sometimes to upset others - in encouragement to do more Reverse-torah Rituals, in the hopes that they can use the influence to do so. I don't know if that works, though.

I thought, since it being said before, that threads can include other things, not just having to be meditation posts strictly, that it would be OK to post things. I posted about dystopian living standards; I have ideas for showing how governments don't care and giving examples, and whatever else, but since I haven't had many reaction likes so far, I probably won't for them, because it probably would be low quality and uninteresting and unwanted likewise. I don't like leaving things unfinished, so since I've had the ideas and been collecting things, I think I'll get around to them eventually.

@Amethystos I think a quick, simple answer is as I said above - being too easy to accept carelessly what I was told before. Now, the pendulum swung too far to the other side.

@the_eye_of_anubis I didn't say anything about me not being interested in advancing. Very important information needing to be liked to be received doesn't make sense to me. That's it.

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At this point, me going and pressing the 'like' button on such posts would seem more like something I have to do now, rather than actually meaning it personally and truthfully. I still hardly ever do these types of reactions to posts anyway, and I'm not up-to-date with reading all posts/sermons, either.

As I have said in some posts before - this is just FancyMancy posting nonsense. Just ignore it. It doesn't matter.

On one hand you complain that nobody "likes" your posts, on the other you complain about the idea of showing support for the ministry by "liking" a post. You also pretend not to understand why it's important, but the fact that you are so hung up and sulking over your posts not getting reactions shows that you do know why it's important to show support. You say you withhold reacting to others' posts because you do not get reactions yourself. That is childish.

If you don't want to do it then don't, no need to make it into a big thing. But your mentality behind it needs to be addressed, such as your view that liking the ministry's posts is "kissing arse". At least, assuming these are truly your feelings and you aren't just being contrarian for attention and to draw arbitrary lines between yourself and others.

I have seen you post interesting things in the past and you have potential but you must be willing to allow yourself to be part of the community and not alienate yourself or others arbitrarily. You seem to have some insecurities and ego issues that give you blindspots and make it difficult for others to relate with you and for you to relate with others. I hope you take the time to meditate and perform introspection.

 

[serpentwalker666]

“This place” is religious. We are a religion and the fact that you can’t respect that speaks more about you than “this place”.

Back in the Golden Ages religion took top priority and was a part of a healthy ethical and spiritual society.

Someone who has no religion, has nothing to stand for, is nothing.

If you think you belong here because we are an anti-religion, or we are against xianity only, you are very mistaken and here for the wrong reasons.

You have been here for years, I notice your posts, you bring zero value to this place, I don’t think you even meditate or have anything spiritual going for you. Just some ramblings about politics, xianity, and other stuff no different than an atheist. You have no wisdom.

You need to be better, you have been here for ages and wrote and read thousands of posts, this can’t be your mentality. This is not some random forum that has interesting eccentric discussions that you like as a mental hobby. This is a religion and a path and it needs to be practiced and walked upon.

This is pretty much summarized the issue that needs to be addressed, as FancyMancy has to decide to want to advance strongly.
We all have to advance. It is the whole point of being here.

At this point, me going and pressing the 'like' button on such posts would seem more like something I have to do now, rather than actually meaning it personally and truthfully. I still hardly ever do these types of reactions to posts anyway, and I'm not up-to-date with reading all posts/sermons, either.

As I have said in some posts before - this is just FancyMancy posting nonsense. Just ignore it. It doesn't matter.

Or you could just stop the mental semantics and man the fuck up along with spiritually advancing strongly and be more a part of the Temple of Zeus community... that is always the best option.

I'm really not trying to be rude, but you have been around a very long time and you are not really looking at any of this like a Zevist.
Why are you here if you are going to just post random things, not engage in the community, and also not advance basically? Makes no sense to me.

 

[Draconi666]

This has gone to far, +40 posts in this thread for your nonsense.
You don't want to give a like? Doesn't matter, we will reach our goal without you then.

I prefer having 150 threads with 40 post per thread about thanking all the active people here, than having one for you who did nothing besides complaining.

Just taking attention, for whatever reason it doesn't matter after a point if it is good attention or not, just doing anything to get more. Bullshitism.

 

[PowerAMSS]

Every meditation that our Clergy release is very important. Do you want this knowledge? At the moment I am writing this post, I haven't seen a reaction from you to that post. This speaks a lot.

These kind of requests from clergy works also as a kind of test to see the willingness of members to become active to earn something. Are we at the point where we don't have 150 members to press like to a post? Something achieved in a few seconds from anywhere you are.

Temple of Zeus have a Youtube channel. We have thousand of members, yet the videos have very few likes and visualizations. I guess the Temple is asking too much effort.

From my own perspective, every new meditation should be put in Hall of Osiris under payment. Lazy people deserve nothing!

Moreover, the posts you quoted are needed because not everyone follow profile posts, but checks only subforums.

I would be fine with this as long as I know what the meditation is for before I buy it. I don't want to learn something I will never use. With that said, I agree, lazy people deserve nothing!

 

[serpentwalker666]

I would be fine with this as long as I know what the meditation is for before I buy it. I don't want to learn something I will never use. With that said, I agree, lazy people deserve nothing!

Everything the Temple of Zeus gives both free to the Community, and paid is a valuable investment beyond what words can even describe.

 

[FancyMancy]

I think at this point, I won't reply further to this thread. This below probably will be my last reply.

My point is not about my development, etc. Yes, I could have done the post better. I was just trying to get to the point quickly. I've been impatient and frustrated with things for a while, with various things, and I've come to a point (how long for, I don't know) that everything angers me. Take probably anything in different contexts, and I'd probably have something to be angry about regarding it. Everything is fake and everything is shit, etc. and I let it out here and it came out in bad ways, which I shouldn't have done. No-one else has mentioned it but I can remember a post I made for members who have been given non-pre-moderation posting abilities - and I went against that. "Take your own advice", sort of thing. I'm not perfect, and I apologise. Since more people replied to me in this thread, this below is here. My point is not about my development, though. My point is as an example conversation between "A" and myself near the end.

@AFODO Maybe you didn't see a post I made about a meditation I've been doing. I need to go back to it.

@Disciple of the Serpent I never said "I don't want to give a like". It's not about my wants. My wants are irrelevant. That's not what I asked.

I didn't complain. I asked a direct question, but it could have been more polite.

@Draconi666 I have shown a gesture recently that I gave willingly. In a post by HPHC, I replied and mentioned a coincidence about his post with me. That's a happy, positive statement, not a scathing, trite reply to him.

I never said I am entitled. Again... I asked that if it's very important information, then why should it be asked for, and in this case via a 'like' reaction.

@MercuryWisdom Being a christian before, and being here, clearly I am drawn to religion. I cannot deny what I have experienced from my experiences here.

I didn't say I belong here because it's anti-religion or against christianity only, but yeah, I do go on about xianity a lot. Part of it is, e.g. at least one member being a christian or others who are in-between things, they could see it and it should help them. That's not zero value, and I don't think it is lacking in wisdom. It is providing things for them to read, and that is a good and thoughtful thing to provide.

I don't think

• a thread about dystopian living, which was boosted by the Admins/Mods at the time for a little while so everyone saw it immediately when they came to the forum,
• sharing about the sexual abuse of Children and nuns, by christian "leaders", and sharing that outing information, showing that Humans are better and more-powerful than "god", in examples,
• HPHC saying, in a silly/playful way as I took it, ages ago something like he gives me the news diploma, and my reply being something like "Cool, lol. Thanks.", after which I shared more news since it seemed to be appreciated by some members and the HP, then broadening it to other things,
• sharing blatan anti-White racism being OK, and
• some other things

are lacking in wisdom or of zero value. I don't think they are at all.

It's OK to think that I don't meditate, but I do, albeit not as much as I should. I had experiences that I have shared before, and other experiences (most notably many, many coincidences which I keep mentioning every now and then), another experience of working on my Third Eye and explaining in a thread about that (which I need to go back to, and I've been having a bit of headache-like effects from it so I think I need to adjust it); and further other experiences of doing a particular meditation, which worked at first but then seemed to wear-off and I got discouraged.

If it's ramblings, then translate it into English, with proper English spellings and structure, and not American. Again, I brought a thread about dystopian living standards that got boosted to the top of the thread list, as a sticky, for a while. I came-up with a copper, silver and gold coin analogy for changing from cheap crappy things to decent, great things over time - some could appreciate that, I hope. I brought to at lease some people's attention chladni figures - literal shapes from literal vibrations, which some might refer to as "sacred geometry".

No, it's not a random eccentric discussion forum. It is a forum for Zevism. It has also been said that people should be able to post, by Lady Maxine. It was also said, if I am not mistaken by HPHC, that other things can also be posted on here, plus I believe HPHC also said about users posting information/news/articles about their countries, to help things be known. Unless I've missed a repeal-post in which these things have been cancelled.

@Epiphany It probably did seem like a complaint, and I could have worded it better. Like I said, I have become more impatient and I have been for a while. That was a clear mistake by me for wording it as I did - but I still post as honestly as I can while in that mood. Before recently, I posted better, and held my posts before submitting them, to reword them but this time I rushed. Head and heart...

I didn't say I withold reacting to others' posts because I don't get much myself in an moody or immature way. I said that I wondered what the point was. Plenty of others react to posts, so one more reaction by me isn't really important or significant - unless someone is hoping to impress me personally, hoping I will react to their post, but that'd be a problem for them to sort out. One more 'like' among plenty of others doesn't really mean much - unless there is something I am missing drastically.

I didn't make it into a big thing. I replied to others. My point is in my OP (and second post).

You mentioned insecurities - you're not far wrong there. You also mentioned ego - that, I don't know about. I'll have to really look into that properly. Thanks for mentioning that. As for introspection, I've done that a lot.

@serpentwalker666 I don't think it's not random things. The paradigm of Earth is changing. It's important to have information together, for people to see. When Lady Maxine said that people here should be able to post, and when (I think it was) HPHC said that we can post things that are not Spirituality-related only, and also I think HPHC saying about bringing information about users' countries, then maybe I was wrong for providing news articles and other things of information. I didn't say I don't want to advance. This thread is not about me advancing. It's not about my development. The point is as an example conversation between "A" and myself below.

@Draconi666 Thanks to you also for that. It's not about me getting attention. My point was in my OP and second post. Everything else was me responding to others in the thread. The point is as an example conversation between "A" and myself below.

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So far, it seems only very few in this thread can see my point, as well as the opposite point. Nearly everyone else got offended. The answer seems to be in among all of these replies somewhere. There are a lot of replies in this thread, but in my question thread about Saturn, meh. That's interesting. Maybe that is my reputation here, unwanted and pointless. As I said quite a while ago, I stopped giving answers to threads, although I still have done it a bit sometimes. I realised that I might have been a hypocrite for not advancing properly while also trying to advise others, while I also say that experience is the best teacher.

I post things which I hope can bring some helpful information to at least the newbies. I think it's important to have different types of information all together here, because people are not going to go around loads of different websites to read/watch things, and the information elsewhere might be changed or deleted; here, it's here and available. I'm not posting funny lolcat memes.

Still - my point was in the OP and second post. Everything else in this thread seems to be quite irrelevant to the point, and I was just replying to others. I'll put it this way -

A: Hi. I have some really important information. Do you want it?
Me: Err... yes, of course.
A: Cool. Do this thing, then I'll give it to you.
Me: I thought it was really important. It sounds like we have to perform to get important information that you brought to our attention.

"There are meditations available for us that we have to buy with money! What a cult!", some might think. Then again, there is one of those available meditations to buy that can help you to become rich anyway, so that, about being a cult, is not an argument at all.

If that sounds like I think I'm entitled, then fine, I'm EnTiTlEd, but that's not what I meant. I never once claimed, at any point in time while I've been with the ToZ nor back to my earliest beginnings with JoS, that I should be given any and all information that I want just because. It's not about my development, or "manning-up". I ask questions because I don't know the answer. Stupid people ask questions; stupider people ignore the questions and try to change the point to "your development" and "if you..., then...", etc. Regarding the bit about money/cult, that could be an actual proper explanation and understanding regarding paying money here; for my original point to be answered and explained, all of this other stuff in this thread "HaD tO bE" included. I think I began the point with "may I ask", not "fucking tell me now, FFS, you bitch" or something. I know, like I said, that some information must be kept secret. I also know that I know hardly anything compared with what information is on ToZ.

My point is not about my development, etc. Yes, I could have done the post better. I was just trying to get to the point quickly. I've been impatient and frustrated with things for a while, with various things, and I've come to a point (how long for, I don't know) that everything angers me. Take probably anything in different contexts, and I'd probably have something to be angry about regarding it. Everything is fake and everything is shit, etc. and I let it out here and it came out in bad ways, which I shouldn't have done. No-one else has mentioned it but I can remember a post I made for members who have been given non-pre-moderation posting abilities - and I went against that. "Take your own advice", sort of thing. I'm not perfect, and I apologise. Since more people replied to me in this thread, this above is here. My point is not about my development, though. My point is as an example conversation between "A" and myself just above.

I think at this point, I won't reply further to this thread, so whatever is replied can be the final words here. I have been told before that I've needed to have the final word. I don't consider that to be true; rather, I do believe that I need to acknowledge what others say, so I reply. Huh - I could do a post reaction. :eyeroll: Anyone who wants to smack me on the back of my head, then I'll be expecting that...