Other #77622 What is the TOZ perspective of Solomonic Magicians who claim they can bind and command Gods/Demons?

[AskSatanOperator]

HPS Maxine said demons hate circles. The Solomonic perspective claims that the circle protects the magician when he evokes the demons and that demons try to trick the magician into leaving the circle so they can attack them. There are stories from magicians who have claimed to evoke demons and be able to use various rituals to bind the demon in case the demon disobeys the magician. What happens when such people evoke demons? Are they summoning the entity, or is something else going on? What they're reporting contradicts what the TOZ claims of the Goetic demons being benevolent and powerful.

 

[Renita]

HPS Maxine said demons hate circles. The Solomonic perspective claims that the circle protects the magician when he evokes the demons and that demons try to trick the magician into leaving the circle so they can attack them. There are stories from magicians who have claimed to evoke demons and be able to use various rituals to bind the demon in case the demon disobeys the magician. What happens when such people evoke demons? Are they summoning the entity, or is something else going on? What they're reporting contradicts what the TOZ claims of the Goetic demons being benevolent and powerful.

Most information about the Demons or God's outside of the TOZ has been stained with lies and is not accurate information. From what I know (May not be the most accurate), is that Demons dislike circles and this may be seen as a act of foolishness and disrespect to the Demon being summoned. Demons do not have any reason to attack unless the summoner has unjust intent and/or is a Christian fooling around. Even then, most times they simply may refuse to answer. I do not have much experience in this field but this is from what I know and have heard.

What happens when such people evoke demons?

Most times these accounts of "summoning" are simple delusions and even if they do manage to summon a Demon, it most times does not end well (thus the need for protection). Any true Zevist will be accepted by the Demon being summoned as the Demon knows those who are with and those who are without.

There are stories from magicians who have claimed to evoke demons and be able to use various rituals to bind the demon in case the demon disobeys the magician.

Demons are higher level beings that do not bow down to no one but Zeus. A Demon does keep his promise in a pact or deal but if the human does not, there will be actions or karma against them.

What they're reporting contradicts what the TOZ claims of the Goetic demons being benevolent and powerful.

It is now common knowledge in the TOZ that everything coming from the "Gotetic" Demons are falsified (especially the illustrations) and used to scare away people from Lord Zeus.

 

[Hárbarðr]

HPS Maxine said demons hate circles. The Solomonic perspective claims that the circle protects the magician when he evokes the demons and that demons try to trick the magician into leaving the circle so they can attack them. There are stories from magicians who have claimed to evoke demons and be able to use various rituals to bind the demon in case the demon disobeys the magician. What happens when such people evoke demons? Are they summoning the entity, or is something else going on? What they're reporting contradicts what the TOZ claims of the Goetic demons being benevolent and powerful.

It does not contradict anything. For starters, have you seen the rituals these magickians use to evoke the Gods? They are extremely abusive and disrespectful, no wonder that it would anger the Gods and make it to attack them. Even if they didn't use these abusive rituals, their motives for summoning the Gods are less than respectful or genuine. They are not seeking to establish mutual respectful relationships with them, they are seeking to take advantage of them and use them as their personal slaves.

If you want to see an example of how these people view the Gods, see the quoted posts by "alzo rozan" in this thread from the JoS Yahoo group archive and how disrespectfully he talks of them, referring to them as "servitors":

Re: Servitors ( real magic )

DEMONS ARE NOT "SERVITORS".[/B] They are highly advanced beings, they are our original Pagan Gods. They do not serve us. I'm not even replying to the rest of your email. I just saw "blah blah blah abuse demons make them serve us blah blah blah" so maybe someone with more patience than I will...

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Do you think the Gods really like someone like him?

Also, many of them have trouble with the Gods even when using circles to abuse them. HP Maxine gave an example: she said in a book the author tried to summon Bune using circles and grimoire methods and it backfired for him:

Spirit Abuse

The book reads on, and after repeated attempts using coercion, threats, and so forth, the author is able to secure a few more visits and becomes bold enough to demand financial assistance. The Demon replies that he is "unable to come through," as he has "no power over the economy in this day and age." All the author got out of the experience was lies, double-talk, and much wasted energy. The author said the experience "took everything out of him," aging him physically, mentally, and spiritually. He got what he deserved! These fools never stop to think that in death, there is no protective 9-foot circle, and when one's soul leaves one's body permanently, the Demons they have made enemies of will be waiting. The energy of a human spirit is nothing compared to the power of a Demon. I know because I have invoked both Demons and deceased human souls.

 

[Hárbarðr]

And unlike those spirit abusers, those of us who have been dedicated and respectful to the Gods have had positive experiences even with the Gods that the grimoires claim are extremely dangerous and can kill you, like Andras. Andras is a warrior god who kills enemy magickians who try to abuse them, but he has been friendly to most Zevists, because unlike those jewish magickians they are not trying to abuse or take advantage of him or see him as a "servitor".

HP Maxine mentioned her experience with Andras in the link above:

I was surprised to have Demon friends I never even met or summoned offer their assistance when I was having problems. Andras, who has a reputation for killing those who try to summon him, appeared to me and offered to help me. The reason he has been upset is because of the extreme disrespect and spiritual abuse he and other Demons have been shown for centuries by idiots, such as the author of the above-mentioned book.

 

[Hárbarðr]

It's not only the ToZ/JoS that has found that the Goetic Gods are human-friendly, either. Konstantinos, the author of Summoning Spirits, Nocturnicon, Vampires: The Occult Truth and many others stated in his book "Summoning Spirits" that all the Gods from Goetia are friendly to humans and he's found that from his experiences. And he's far from a "Satanist" or Zevist, he's some sort of "Dark Wiccan" who likes darkness, vampires and gothic stuff but still believes in the mainstream version of karma and believes black magick spells are evil and will cause harm to yourself if you use them.

 

[Zombieboy]

Respectfully, I feel our brothers and sisters here are missing the mark a little with your question,
From my understanding your not debating the gods are friendly to humans or any of the things our brothers and sisters have said here, merely asking what is actually happening when people are doing these abusive rituals, and if they are simply delusional or if they are really interacting with our Gods, and if so, how do they hold power over the Gods with the Gods being so powerful.

So the short explanation is this :
In the past, from my understanding is that some people did in fact connect with the gods in some way thru these practices, they did not really have the control they think they did and in my opinion I don’t think the circle really actually kept them as safe as they think, more so just a false sense of security
, the reason why a God would entertain this were I think for 2 reasons
1 being that the Gods wished to exist in history so they may come back to us, so they would rather exist as “monsters” than not at all, so maybe they entertained some of these at some point .
2. It has to do with the curses placed on them and our perception of them which HP goes into depth about
It’s still unclear but I don’t think they ever could truly “force “ our Gods to do anything,
These spirit abuse methods tend to drive magicians crazy and corrupt the mind and soul, so whatever benefits they had could be mainly either simply from believing the working worked, or actual delusion . Although perhaps in the past some gods did help people who performed this for whatever reason during the time where everybody was very ignorant.

If your asking what I think of people who CURRENTLY claim these things work,
Like people on forums around who think they command the Gods thru these practices
I would say
1. They are simply delusional and often on drugs
Or rpg role playing idiots who tell stories that are false
2. Perhaps other thought forms and negative entities respond and try and play the part for whatever reason. Probly to simply screw with the mage

One could speculate but I wouldn’t give any credit to these people online who follow such garbage , anymore than I would believe the crazy people you find on forums who claim they are already Gods and start spewing nonsense
Their claims don’t discredit us at all

I could claim that I command 50 legions of demons and that here sitting on my computer I have three heads one being a frog and one being a bull, and that spirit abuse works so well and has made me millions.
Rather I spew lies for the sake of it, or rather I’m deeply schizophrenic is up to interpretation


However none of us here could explain this as well as HP can
So I took the liberty of finding some good articles on the forums that explain these things a little better, I hope they provide clarity

For your questions I would probly recommend the last one most of all

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Is it really so difficult to believe that many people are simply writing information about them that isn't like even real, and that all of these people, are just approaching the Gods dishonestly, expecting favors, and trying to damage them in some way regardless? Many of these authors are...

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... Reflecting on the JoS itself is interesting. Back when I was still purely in the unknown, when I first discovered the main site, and read the material, I eventually stumbled into the Daemons section, which listed all the names out as per the "Goetia" list. Without angling towards disrespect...

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[Zombieboy]

Another point I have here
Is that if you look at instances such as Salem Burke , who is somebody who had a lot of power at one time but also used drugs and developed mental issues,
Salem had real power and could actually make magick work quite well for a time, but he was delusional and a lot of what he was experiencing near the end was false,
Having impurities in the soul and using Jewish magic can warp the mind and create all sorts of hallucinations, no different than when somebody takes a lot of DMT or other drugs and meets random entities,
Yes you may have had some sort of experience with some “ real entity” but you were high as balls and your interpretation of it was not the reality of it at all.
This is very dangerous when you combine this with real powers of the mind and soul,
This could explain how some magicians could do such ridiculous practices, and despite their experiences being delusions they could still manifest some “benifet “ to their magical practices in the real world, however in the end they would destroy themselves navigating these destructive practices
Mages were known to go insane quite often in the past.
This is why we are so lucky we have the Gods and the clergy here to help guide us.
The powers of the mind and soul are no joke and as HP cobra has said many times, power without purification is extremely dangerous

 

[Zombieboy]

Also to clarify Salem Burke was not using Jewish magic, I’m just comparing the two instances .

 

[OttoHart]

Real "solomonic magick":
- didn't truly bind or control the Gods, only hijacked their powers momentarily via secret names, to great peril to the jew practitioner
- was only ever done by 10-15 rabbis at best

A very very small percentage of jews had any real power to speak of, which is why so much of their spells needed billions of Gentiles to fuel and affirm them via abrahamic religion.

Those people are just larping.

If the person doing the larping is a Gentile, and doesn't truly know they are doing something evil, sometimes the Gods actually reach out and help.
This happens with christians and muslims who "pray to their God" as well, if their heart is in the right place.

 

[Hárbarðr]

2. Perhaps other thought forms and negative entities respond and try and play the part for whatever reason. Probly to simply screw with the mage

I mean, these grimoire methods instruct them to invoke enemy angels and names of the jewish god and who knows what other enemy beings before summoning the specific God. That's a pretty good reason why enemy beings would be drawn to them and pretend to be "Demons".

I know that if you normally want to contact a being and ask him/her you contact that being or someone on his side first, not his enemies. Contacting his enemies in order to threaten and bully that being because you're afraid of it tells more about you and your fears and insecurities and you don't know whether you are really contacting that being or merely his enemies who are putting up a show.

If you fear a being why contact him/her in the first place?

The more you think about it the more it's clear that these enemy magickians are retarded.