Experimental meditation - Probing the deeper parts of the mind

[Shakra]

I thought of this meditation while in a yoga session, perhaps not even of my own, but I was thinking of the past experiences of certain astral visions and whether they're just entirely one sided and if I even have any direct will or control of this phenomena. The way I can say, is like it's a "mind beyond a mind" but I've come to realize these are just the lower or deeper parts of the conscious mind.

Basically, it's like a trance meditation with different methods to interact with the lower consciousness of the mind. Perhaps you could even consider this an alternative method to obtaining a trance.

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

Doesn't have to be a fruit, could be shapes, figures or even numbers.

Once you get the hang of this, imagine the 2nd object rotating or changing color/shape. By doing this, this is closest to what can be described when these phenomena occurs. Then, you can simply focus on your third eye while imagining the 2nd object in a blank state, perhaps you may experience something.

Hopefully the above makes sense. For anyone who tries this, let me know anything that happens. I've had a few things flash in brief moments.

 

[Shakra]

After doing this a couple times, I noticed that the first image becomes more focused and clear. To the point I may really see a blank piece of paper inside my eyes.

Basically the trick is to think of multiple images at the same time without them overlapping each other. I think the more images the stronger the 1st one becomes, but this can strain the mind to some extent. The images I try are triangle, square and circle at the same time.

 

[Lotus666]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

 

[Shakra]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

 

[AFODO]

This is very similar to the "Merging Astral Consciousness"

The mergin consciousness happens "outside" and what you describe is inside.
I think your meditation can be used to program your subconscious mind, so be careful what you program into it.

 

[Lotus666]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

I need to re read your original post several times to make sure I’m doing it correctly.
So I can do it with other senses instead of visualising an object ?
Like AFODO said I also think your meditation can be used to program the subconscious mind.

What effects did you experience with this meditation I’d like to know. Just curious. What actually happened after properly doing this meditation? What experience?

 

[Lotus666]

After doing this a couple times, I noticed that the first image becomes more focused and clear. To the point I may really see a blank piece of paper inside my eyes.

Basically the trick is to think of multiple images at the same time without them overlapping each other. I think the more images the stronger the 1st one becomes, but this can strain the mind to some extent. The images I try are triangle, square and circle at the same time.

It happened with me too. First image became more focused in mind when I first attempted to do this meditation improperly.

I think this meditation seems to be a SOLID one to program subconscious mind. It seems like NLP but very advanced and highly effective.

I’d try to do experiments with this meditation in my own way as well.
Thank you brother for sharing this.

 

[Lotus666]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

Btw how can we use this for touch smell taste sense ? You mean astral touch… ? Could you give an example on how to use this meditation for these senses ,?

 

[Shakra]

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

Btw how can we use this for touch smell taste sense ? You mean astral touch… ? Could you give an example on how to use this meditation for these senses ,?

Yeah, this meditation can tune into the deeper part of our senses. For hearing, just incorporate the chakra sounds meditation, start with a low pitch hum while also doing it with a higher one and so on. And for astral touch, imagine feeling more than one object with both hands, you could even try feeling different temperatures like one a snowball and another a hot stone. Same thing with smell, different fragrances.

It happened with me too. First image became more focused in mind when I first attempted to do this meditation improperly.

I think this meditation seems to be a SOLID one to program subconscious mind. It seems like NLP but very advanced and highly effective.

I’d try to do experiments with this meditation in my own way as well.
Thank you brother for sharing this.

This actually helped solve a problem I've had since starting meditation, it was very difficult to visualize sigils because I kept fixating on it to ensure it was accurate. Though overtime I found it helpful to just relax, this meditation has made it easier.

I'm glad you found it usefull.

What effects did you experience with this meditation I’d like to know. Just curious. What actually happened after properly doing this meditation? What experience?

So far, I can say it's useful AF for visualization. At sometimes, it really feels I'm looking into a screen in my head. I think once you get the hang of it you can visualize anything with clear detail.

It's interesting because I've asked a few Demons if they could grant me photographic memory, maybe this meditation was what they delivered. We have to work for what we want anyway.

And also during "visions", like something is being played in your mind but you can also think and imagine "around it". Ironically, one of this was an instance of a vision of an enemy E.T which I was trying to get rid of by focusing on Satan's sigil in a deliberate panic. It's hard to describe but if you ever get one you'll know what I mean. That was mostly behind the conception of this meditation.

This is very similar to the "Merging Astral Consciousness"

The mergin consciousness happens "outside" and what you describe is inside.
I think your meditation can be used to program your subconscious mind, so be careful what you program into it.

Ah I see, that makes sense thanks. Indeed, when doing this I felt that "gateway", though subtle, it was there. In most meditations you can feel it, but with this it was the most I've felt.

 

[Lotus666]

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

Btw how can we use this for touch smell taste sense ? You mean astral touch… ? Could you give an example on how to use this meditation for these senses ,?

Yeah, this meditation can tune into the deeper part of our senses. For hearing, just incorporate the chakra sounds meditation, start with a low pitch hum while also doing it with a higher one and so on. And for astral touch, imagine feeling more than one object with both hands, you could even try feeling different temperatures like one a snowball and another a hot stone. Same thing with smell, different fragrances.

It happened with me too. First image became more focused in mind when I first attempted to do this meditation improperly.

I think this meditation seems to be a SOLID one to program subconscious mind. It seems like NLP but very advanced and highly effective.

I’d try to do experiments with this meditation in my own way as well.
Thank you brother for sharing this.

This actually helped solve a problem I've had since starting meditation, it was very difficult to visualize sigils because I kept fixating on it to ensure it was accurate. Though overtime I found it helpful to just relax, this meditation has made it easier.

I'm glad you found it usefull.

What effects did you experience with this meditation I’d like to know. Just curious. What actually happened after properly doing this meditation? What experience?

So far, I can say it's useful AF for visualization. At sometimes, it really feels I'm looking into a screen in my head. I think once you get the hang of it you can visualize anything with clear detail.

It's interesting because I've asked a few Demons if they could grant me photographic memory, maybe this meditation was what they delivered. We have to work for what we want anyway.

And also during "visions", like something is being played in your mind but you can also think and imagine "around it". Ironically, one of this was an instance of a vision of an enemy E.T which I was trying to get rid of by focusing on Satan's sigil in a deliberate panic. It's hard to describe but if you ever get one you'll know what I mean. That was mostly behind the conception of this meditation.

This is very similar to the "Merging Astral Consciousness"

The mergin consciousness happens "outside" and what you describe is inside.
I think your meditation can be used to program your subconscious mind, so be careful what you program into it.

Ah I see, that makes sense thanks. Indeed, when doing this I felt that "gateway", though subtle, it was there. In most meditations you can feel it, but with this it was the most I've felt.

Thank you. Been busy so I wa slate to respond.
I would definitely try this !
Thank you!

 

[Shakra]

Follow up with experiences and stories to share, visualization has improved quite a lot. Colors become vivid to visualize as well. If I think of any color I can really just *see* it in my mind.

Some "one" is really on the moon, hallucination or reality?
A couple months ago, had some interesting visions. Went to bed tired, as my brain quickly drops to the theta states, until eventually reaching the sleep state, I start having random visions of places. I see this area of tall grass and when I focus on it I see this yellow striped snake slithering around, then I see various insects. I finally become one with the moment and intrigued with all that I'm seeing, I figure this would be a great opportunity to test to what extent I have control over what can appear in my head, so I focus on the moon.

After awhile, I start seeing this rocky white landscape, but not really fixated on one place, like skimming over it. It's not actually rocky, I saw somewhat white smooth stones among them and reminded me of a bunch of stones at the river. Just a big debris field of them. Afterwards, everything becomes black and I see this person, muscular, with glowing purple eyes. His skin is like a hue of grey and blue, but you could make out he was Aryan.

I don't know the name of what it's called, but they were wearing this cap that you wear with space suits, similar to a diving suit. Like the thing that buzz lightyear wears but it was white/grey. Which gives the impression that it's someone "inside base" and not fully suited up. Anyway, they were looking at me with a very stern/cautious look. I could neither feel if they were aligned to the gods or not, and the look was anything but happy. Kind of gave me a shock that put me out of a trance and vision.

There was a book I read afterwards detailing the anomalies of the moon, the author suggested certain craters on the other side of the moon are in fact the results of possible mining being done by other intelligent beings residing there. The rocky debris field could most definitely have been what was described. I had my mind intrigued on this for a long time with a video I watched a long time ago.

I've had many more instances of things like this, but I would just let it happen and see what it was I was seeing. But this was the first time I tried to have some control over what can appear. It's kind of like turning the wheel of a sea ship in rough waters, it either goes or doesn't, unpredictably as well.

Goddess Bastet

I described my vision of Bastet here
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=86801
Very beautiful, eastern woman. Didn't have cat ears or features. Had this vision after requesting for her help in my mind while looking for a lost cat. The vision appeared after a couple days while I was going to bed. I can probably assume by now the gods know it's the best time to initiate visions of certain people while they're in lower states of consciousness, most commonly when they're sleeping.

Anyway, I wish I could have initiated it better. But basically I found myself looking at the side of an Egyptian woman, looking at me with a puzzled look, like someone just appeared in your temple and you're figuring out who is this guy kind of thing. So take it from me, initiate a proper ritual and state your convictions/requests appropriately.

I eventually did get what I was seeking for, not exactly but similar. I found myself absolutely adoring cats afterwards and have been what I needed in my life all along.

Lord Ra
After the vision with Bastet, I put my mind towards seeing lord Ra. As I knew Bastet was her daughter and wanted to take the opportunity to see him. Being into Yugioh as a kid got me heavily interested in egyptian culture.

Anyway, I saw an Egyptian man with a postiche, headdress and black eyelines. The vision was also to his side, like Bastet. But he slowly turned his head with a slightly intrigued look, but it was the impression of "What do you want?", or "who is this guy and what does he want?". Afterwards, he rolled his eyes and looked away and then everything was blackness. I could tell that he was busy with other matters, or simply didn't have time.

I then realized that it's probably not a good idea to invoke the gods without valid reason or proper initiation. However, when I saw Lord Ra I was a little bit excited, like you're seeing the ancient past come to life before you! That it's still alive and well.

Lady Astarte
Follow up from previous post
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=77423

I believe I'm also affiliated with Astarte, possibly from a previous life too. However, one time while trying to commune with Astarte, I was invoking her name by "Astarte, my lady", then a voice came to me saying "You will address me as Lady Astarte".

So do be careful how you word your title with some of the gods. :?

A few weeks after, as I was invoking Lady Astarte for her energy, I had a very short vision of what appeared to be a *BIG* Nordic woman on a throne with crossed legs and her face resting on her palm. Her face kind of expressionless, but I saw her with her sky blue eyes looking down at me and you could feel she was looking through your soul and examining it, but also the impression of meeting someone for the first time or something like that. She then tucked in her lips and could probably tell she knew that I've being going through some things.

Mainly, I was more interested in what she appeared as I was in a conflict of agreement over what Astarte really looked like or whether Ishtar or Astarte were the same deity. Actually, before or in the early stages of finding JoS, Ishtar was actually the first demon I invoked, although not really intentionally. But I had this vision of an Eastern looking woman with long hair and had assumed it was Astarte/Ishtar but then came to realize it was a deity affiliated with Ishtar.

Anyway, the depictions of Inanna/Astarte are no exaggeration. The gods are HUGE. My body would barely reach to her thigh in comparison.

Also you really want to have rectified all past issues and whatnot. As HoodedCobra made a post sometime, they can see you inside out. You may not see them when invoking them but they're examining you. And you'd really want to be able to approach them as the person you truly are, otherwise you may be put in an odd situation...

Abraxas
A little bit worse than the other experiences in regards to initiating contact with the gods for the first time, but this was a vision I had a few years ago. Basically, at my workplace there's this conspiracy guy, a flat earth conspiracy guy... He was friends with my Boss and using his office for his own personal things and when he had free time he took me to an office to "talk" about things I "would not be ready to handle". All a bunch of blabla about flat earth but he was insistent that all the problems were of Abraxas or something.

I kept recalling on that time, how incredibly hilarious the things the guy said about flat earth, though he was right on some things like Mk Ultra, paperclip and other things like Aliens. Though putting Abraxas into the flat earth conspiracy was just a chuckling thought, and made further jokes about it in my own head.

Same experience with Bastet. As I go to sleep, my mind starts going to blackness and then the vision of a muscular man, with longish hair starts appearing. Wearing some kind of black armor/suit though, but very intimidating. His face was just a look of unhappy, confused, just very confrontational.

It's kind of like you play with the phone, joke around with the police, then suddenly you find them at your doorstep... However, some optimism from this is that the Gods are real and truly are *listening*, that if the world would embrace the truth we could literally live alongside them and the world would be a better place.

Because they actually do give a damn, not like some worthless imaginary friend sitting on the sky.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

...

There is a big difference between vision and imagination. Much of what you describe here are not literal visions of truth, but your imaginations on how you think these things to be based on the traits you recognize from the Gods, or based on anecdotes you have heard or read about them in other places.

The mind fills in the blanks here, and rather than true perception, your mind creates a likeness based on your belief rather than what is real.

You need to be mindful of that at all times, as even when you are advanced, much of the visions you can see during meditation are embellishments of your imagination. You must be able to differentiate between these and understand when the visions you see are embellished or entirely imaginative, versus the real and direct sights shown by the Gods in question.

The latter is very rare and very difficult. Seeing the Gods as they are, is not something trivial.

 

[Hayabusa]

...

There is a big difference between vision and imagination. Much of what you describe here are not literal visions of truth, but your imaginations on how you think these things to be based on the traits you recognize from the Gods, or based on anecdotes you have heard or read about them in other places.

The mind fills in the blanks here, and rather than true perception, your mind creates a likeness based on your belief rather than what is real.

You need to be mindful of that at all times, as even when you are advanced, much of the visions you can see during meditation are embellishments of your imagination. You must be able to differentiate between these and understand when the visions you see are embellished or entirely imaginative, versus the real and direct sights shown by the Gods in question.

The latter is very rare and very difficult. Seeing the Gods as they are, is not something trivial.

How can we improve ourselves in this direction? I'm not just talking about the third eye, I'm talking about our ability to visualize.

 

[Shakra]

...

There is a big difference between vision and imagination. Much of what you describe here are not literal visions of truth, but your imaginations on how you think these things to be based on the traits you recognize from the Gods, or based on anecdotes you have heard or read about them in other places.

There is a good chance that this would very much be the case, but most of what I describe here is like the situation of passing by someone while out on a stroll, might give a greeting, and be on with your day only to realize later on when you get home that you just met a celebrity. Like an oh damn moment sort of thing.

I'm not even sure if the vision of Bastet was actually her or Cleopatra, but I don't think Cleopatra attained godhood so that's why I came to that conclusion. But I was thinking of her too at the time. But when the vision of Bastet appeared my mind was actually fixated on something else, like a relative had angered me to an extent and all I thought was wishing to beat them to a bloody pulp, I guess that kind of influenced the impression her face when the vision happened.

Also, I'm actually very shy in regards to meeting people of higher authority and so suddenly, subconsciously I would not prefer. But it's a most intriguing sight to see, something you don't forget. Though from the experiences so far, I feel I may not be ready to even approach the gods being the state that I'm in right now.

It's not like I'm just day dreaming and willing myself to see this, sometimes I'm thinking of something, or my mind is just in blank state and it appears so suddenly. However, the vision with Astarte was the only time where I was actually in a meditative state and focusing my mind upon her to invoke her energy. The vision came unexpectedly.

Most depictions of Bastet are her with a cats head, I have no clue what she could have looked like underneath that, it could be something else for all I know. The next days after though, for a short while, I started hearing meowing noises that seamed to come from no where. It happened right after waking from bed.

I also imagined the supposed inhabitants to look a lot different than what I had thought. Ingo Swann described them as looking exactly like us, so I figured they're wearing some regular clothes like a t-shirt or something and hairstyles just like the rest of us. No, I saw a man wearing some kind of suit that I'm not very familiar with.

I'm certainly no adept at this either, though I feel I'm getting a bit closer to having some degree of control over whatever this phenomena is, whether remote viewing or lucid dreaming(while awake?). There are many other experiences which I have no explanation for.

But yes, it's important to embrace critical thinking and to be careful to be not stuck in a dream or fallacious mentality. We all pool our thoughts and experiences to live and learn.