Was the old Joy of Satan site mainstream "Satanism"?

[Hárbarðr]

I'm addressing here a group of people who aren't satisfied with the change to the Temple of Zeus because they believe it somehow taught mainstream Satanism (i.e. Satan being a dark god, part of xianity e.t.c.). and they disagree with the name Zeus because it is very "different" from that. Luckily we have the previous JoS website saved so we can look at what it said.

Some facts:

1. The previous Joy of Satan site always claimed that true Satanism predates Christianity and is ancient Paganism. Moreover, it said that Satan is the true creator God, that the jewish god and Jesus do not exist and Jesus was stolen from Pagan Gods.

In light of new knowledge based upon hundreds of hours of intense and in-depth research, we have discovered the following:

1. Satan is our True Creator God.
"YHVH" otherwise known as "Jehovah" by the deluded, is a false entity. "YHVH" stands for the four elements and corners in the popular Jewish systems of magick that are available to the public.

2. The character "Jesus Christ" is fictitious and was stolen from some 18+ Pagan legends of a God hanging from a tree, such as Odin, then being resurrected, and is another description of the alchemical operation of transforming the soul- death and then resurrection.
The Nazarene is and has never been anything more than a tool to remove all true spiritual knowledge and disarm the populace of their spiritual powers. Humanity has paid to the tune of trillions upon trillions of dollars, and with sickness, misery, and suffering due to the removal of this knowledge. Spiritual knowledge was systematically destroyed, twisted, and corrupted to SPIRITUALLY AND FINANCIALLY ENSLAVE US ALL. By force-feeding the populace that the Nazarene is a real entity, those at the top have maintained control and have reaped untold wealth and power.

3. True Satanism preceded Christianity by thousands of years and is based upon total transformation of the soul. Christians are deluded into "accepting Jesus Christ" and "living saved" which is all false. Everything in the Christian religion is false and we prove this beyond all doubts. The Christian "saved" hoax is based upon stolen and corrupted knowledge of alchemy, where one truly works spiritually to transform one's soul into godhead.

Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/TRADITIONAL.html

2. The JoS website denounced those who have the mainstream/Christian view of Satan and said it doesn't want to be associated with them:

We do not recognize nor do we acknowledge groups who characterize Satan or Satanism by Judeo/Christian concepts, or those, who like the late Anton LaVey’s Church of Satan members, do not acknowledge his existence as a real being.

We do not recognize any organizations, churches, etc, that claim to be Satanists, yet take their so-called "Satanism" straight from the Judeo/Christian Bible, conform to Judeo/Christian concepts regarding Satan, Demons [The Ancient Pagan Gods], or Satanism. True Satanism existed long before any Judeo/Christian Bible or teachings. These people are not Satanists, they are reverse Christians, or Jews.

Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Welcome.html

3. The JoS website never claimed Satan is one of the traditional "dark" gods like Set or Saturn or whoever else. Instead, it said Satan is the Sumerian God Enki:

For too long, so many lies and so much misinformation have been spread about Satan. Many of us have seen him, have conversed with him, and have even been astrally touched by him. Nearly all of us who know him agree concerning his appearance. Enemy so-called "religions" have for far too long, written the book on how they believe him to appear, how they believe Demons to look and these are nothing but blasphemous lies. He is not red with horns and a tail, nor does he look like a Halloween monster. He does not have flaming red eyes or rubbery wings. These depictions are intended to insult, denigrate, and blaspheme him. [There are some lower orders of Demons. They are protectors and messengers who serve the higher-ranking Demons]. Here are images of how Satan appears to those of us who have seen him. Contrary to Satanism being labeled as "darkness," Satan appears wearing a long white robe identical to what he is shown wearing in the images below. He is the Top Leader of the Nordic Gods of the Empire of Orion. Many of us see him often and have a very close relationship with him. He is beautiful. His appearance is almost exactly as in the pictures, other than he rarely appears with wings.

He is the Sumerian God EA, also known as ENKI which means "Lord of the Earth." He is also known as Melek Ta'us.

Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html

4. The JoS always said that the Demons are no one else but the ancient Pre-Christian Pagan Gods, including Zeus. It never said that Zeus is Jehova (since Jehova doesn't exist, as explained above).

With the coming of Christianity, the Original Pagan Gods were blasphemed as monsters. The above quote from the Encyclopædia Britannica claims that Daemons are lower than Gods. This is partially true in that some are human hybrids [Demi-Gods] who have become both spiritually and physically immortal and have what is called "supernatural powers." The Demons of the Goetia are all Original Pagan Gods. Some such as Asmodeus are Demi-Gods.

This excerpt quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia is very revealing:
In the same way the Greeks and Romans may have worshipped their divinities, fondly believing them to be good. But the Christian Scriptures declare that all the gods of the Gentiles are demons.

Catholic Encyclopedia: Devil Worship
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04767a.htm

Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Daemon.html

MAMMON [ZEUS]
Rank: Treasurer of Hell
”Mammon" is not his real name. "Mammon" is a Hebrew word for money and nothing more. How this name was applied to a Demon/God was through misinterpretation and ignorance. We found in our workings with the Demons, the Greek God Zeus answers to "Mammon."
Zeus has short platinum blonde hair with waves and very light bluish-grey eyes. He wears a laurel crown, a white toga and is built stocky.
– High Priestess Maxine

Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DEMONSI.html

5. The JoS always denounced the Qliphoth and other jewish bullshit that mainstream "Satanists" practice:

The Jews have attacked us Gentiles for centuries. Especially our Pagan Gods. The Catholic Church, Christianity, Communism and much more are different faces of the Jewish empire.

In addition to all of this, the Jews have been at liberty to again, DICTATE and TELL us all what Satanism is supposed to be about, so-called "evil" and related. Jews always assume positions of authority where they order Gentiles about.

The denigration of our Gods to the qlippoth, this sick filth, was invented by Rabbi Isaac Luria during the 16th century, following the expulsion of the Jews from Spain. This expulsion was a major blow to the Jewish community. So major that Luria wrote of the qlippoth, looking to answers for the Jewish question, "If God is good, why is there evil?"

My point in writing this is many Satanists have been misled through this Jewish invented filth and extreme blasphemy against our Gods. Many who explore this trash through meditation and such have horrific experiences.

This Jewish invented filth has nothing to do with any of our Gods.

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20190307235048/http://www.satanslibrary.org/Updates/Qlippoth.html


So you can see the JoS has denounced all aspects related to mainstream/Christian Satanism and it was always Ancient Paganism more than the typical idea of "Satanism". That's why it was always controversial and attacked by most others who claimed to be "Satanists".

This means that if you are a mainstream/typical Satanist a.k.a. a reverse Christian or someone who believes Satan is a "dark god", you were never welcome in the previous JoS, as it denounced your type of Satanism multiple times in the site. Your opinion on whether you like the change to ToZ or not is irrelevant, as you were not considered a real Satanist according to JoS.

 

[Helleniser]

Thank you for making this post, what High Priestess Maxine always imagined was the restoration of the true essence of the Gods, and High Priest Hooded Cobra is completing this task. For this to be done, major changes have to take place, including the transition to the Temple of Zeus.

 

[UltraLord]

Religion is culture, the parasite has created an entire culture to enslave mankind. The only way to free it is to create a culture that will liberate mankind. Just like they used culture to shun the Gods so to will we create a culture that will embrace them. For to long has humanity been lost without its heroes. We need our heroes to return.

 

[Stormblood]

Religion is culture, the parasite has created an entire culture to enslave mankind. The only way to free it is to create a culture that will liberate mankind. Just like they used culture to shun the Gods so to will we create a culture that will embrace them. For to long has humanity been lost without its heroes. We need our heroes to return.

Rather, we need to become the Heroes that shift the culture.

 

[UltraLord]

Rather, we need to become the Heroes that shift the culture.

We can only become them, by allowing them to live through us. That is true worship

 

[OttoHart]

Banger post, brother. Compiling all this info is very useful.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

I'm addressing here a group of people who aren't satisfied with the change to the Temple of Zeus because they believe it somehow taught mainstream Satanism (i.e. Satan being a dark god, part of xianity e.t.c.). and they disagree with the name Zeus because it is very "different" from that. Luckily we have the previous JoS website saved so we can look at what it said.

Some facts:

1. The previous Joy of Satan site always claimed that true Satanism predates Christianity and is ancient Paganism. Moreover, it said that Satan is the true creator God, that the jewish god and Jesus do not exist and Jesus was stolen from Pagan Gods.


Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/TRADITIONAL.html

2. The JoS website denounced those who have the mainstream/Christian view of Satan and said it doesn't want to be associated with them:


Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Welcome.html

3. The JoS website never claimed Satan is one of the traditional "dark" gods like Set or Saturn or whoever else. Instead, it said Satan is the Sumerian God Enki:



Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html

4. The JoS always said that the Demons are no one else but the ancient Pre-Christian Pagan Gods, including Zeus. It never said that Zeus is Jehova (since Jehova doesn't exist, as explained above).


Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Daemon.html


Source: https://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DEMONSI.html

5. The JoS always denounced the Qliphoth and other jewish bullshit that mainstream "Satanists" practice:



Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20190307235048/http://www.satanslibrary.org/Updates/Qlippoth.html


So you can see the JoS has denounced all aspects related to mainstream/Christian Satanism and it was always Ancient Paganism more than the typical idea of "Satanism". That's why it was always controversial and attacked by most others who claimed to be "Satanists".

This means that if you are a mainstream/typical Satanist a.k.a. a reverse Christian or someone who believes Satan is a "dark god", you were never welcome in the previous JoS, as it denounced your type of Satanism multiple times in the site. Your opinion on whether you like the change to ToZ or not is irrelevant, as you were not considered a real Satanist according to JoS.

About Lord Set, he has power over the realms of ignorance, called also "darkness". But He is God very close to light, and a very Wonderful God.

He guide the Zevists that fall on the realms of ignorance, back to the Path of Maat, Truth. 144 Laws referes to the Nadis, the whole soul.


About Satanism topic, there is a division.

Traditional "satanism"
Toxic/acid "satanism"
Modern "satanism"
Spiritual Satanism (Now Zevism)

Traditional one is based on grimories and corrupted practices related to the anti-christian paradigma.

Toxic ones is based on monstruosites and horrible acts, basically it's jewish kabalists that covers their criminal acts under the name of Satan.

Modern one is based on some woke bullshit, see for example the so-called "satanic temple".

Non of these is trully Satanism.

Spiritual Satanism is instead the Initiates of the Gods and is based on the Path towards Truth. It's now known as Zevism, as Satan was the name for the Head God Zeus during the dark ages.

You can see more here about our Head God here:

Our Eternal Head God: Zeus, Eternal Truth & His Identities

The whole Satanic thing was an attempt to corrupt the Ancient Gods and their Initiation system, but also a way to survive for the Gods in the minds of humanity during the dark ages.

 

[Hárbarðr]

About Satanism topic, there is a division.

Traditional "satanism"
Toxic/acid "satanism"
Modern "satanism"
Spiritual Satanism (Now Zevism)

Traditional one is based on grimories and corrupted practices related to the anti-christian paradigma.

Toxic ones is based on monstruosites and horrible acts, basically it's jewish kabalists that covers their criminal acts under the name of Satan.

Modern one is based on some woke bullshit, see for example the so-called "satanic temple".

Your analysis is great, just to be more technical:

Modern "Satanism" is every type of Satanism where they deny Satan's existence and claim he's only a symbol. Many (but not all) deny all esoteric/occult/magickal aspects and claim it's just a philosophy. It is subdivided into Laveyan and Woke (The "Satanic" Temple) "Satanism".

Traditional "Satanism" is also subdivided into Occult "Satanism" where they practice the Qliphoth and other jewish BS and generally believe the Gods/Demons are forces or aspects of our subconscious (they may also call themselves other names like Luciferians, Draconians e.t.c.) and Reverse Christianity where they believe Satan is a fallen angel, the xian god being real and practice Black Masses and other xian-based rituals with Jesus/Yahweh swapped with Satan.

The Toxic type often overlaps with Traditional "Satanism", usually Reverse Christianity.

 

[BlackFlame333X2]

What I see is they (Zevists) formed what can be seen as sort of a Temple Of Set organization, where Zeus represents Satan, the same way as the Egyptian God Set, in that organization. As a personal choice, I've always seen Theistic Satanism as the belief system that resonates with me the most.

 

[Hárbarðr]

What I see is they (Zevists) formed what can be seen as sort of a Temple Of Set organization, where Zeus represents Satan, the same way as the Egyptian God Set, in that organization.

It's entirely different. The mainstream version of Set is an archetypical "evil" god and the Temple of Set did that because they believed in the Christian version of Satan in which he's an "evil" dark god.

Zeus is not a typical "dark" god and has nothing to do with the xian version of Satan.

Moreover, the previous JoS' idea of Satan was entirely different from the mainstream xian idea of a "dark god" to the point where "Traditional" Satanists accused it of "taking the horns out of the devil", i.e. removing all the "evilness" and enemy stereotypes from Satan.

The JoS site also always claimed that Satan is an ancient Pagan God who was unjustly demonized and has nothing to do with the enemy lies, as the passages I quoted in the OP above all explain that.

So the Joy of Satan never had anything to do with the typical "Theistic" Satanism, that's why it used a different name (Spiritual Satanism) to differentiate itself from the typical "Satanists" who believe in the xian stereotypical idea of a dark god or a fallen angel.

 

[Hárbarðr]

What I see is they (Zevists) formed what can be seen as sort of a Temple Of Set organization, where Zeus represents Satan, the same way as the Egyptian God Set, in that organization.

To explain it more simply: Your assertion is that The ToZ began with the Christian idea of Satan and used a Pagan name to represent the Christian idea of Satan like the Temple of Set did.

When in reality the opposite happened: The Joy of Satan always said Satan was a Pagan God and all the Christian lies about him being "evil" are just lies and it said that Satanism is merely another name for the esoteric teachings of Ancient Pagan religions. So the JoS was always Esoteric Ancient Paganism under a Satanic guise. And now with its change to the Temple of Zeus it merely removed the unnecessary names Satan e.t.c. to stay more true to its Ancient Esoteric Pagan character.

Even in the early days of the JoS, many people didn't call "Satan" "Satan" at all. They referred to him as Enki, and said things like "Hail Enki".

 

[BlackFlame333X2]

It's entirely different. The mainstream version of Set is an archetypical "evil" god and the Temple of Set did that because they believed in the Christian version of Satan in which he's an "evil" dark god.

Zeus is not a typical "dark" god and has nothing to do with the xian version of Satan.

Moreover, the previous JoS' idea of Satan was entirely different from the mainstream xian idea of a "dark god" to the point where "Traditional" Satanists accused it of "taking the horns out of the devil", i.e. removing all the "evilness" and enemy stereotypes from Satan.

The JoS site also always claimed that Satan is an ancient Pagan God who was unjustly demonized and has nothing to do with the enemy lies, as the passages I quoted in the OP above all explain that.

So the Joy of Satan never had anything to do with the typical "Theistic" Satanism, that's why it used a different name (Spiritual Satanism) to differentiate itself from the typical "Satanists" who believe in the xian stereotypical idea of a dark god or a fallen angel.

But the principal remains the same, a historical deity was used to represent Satan. Set pre dates Christianity by thousands of years.

 

[616Taysha]

Set pre dates Christianity by thousands of years

Yes, He does. But that He is equalised with biblical Satan is just academic drivel. If one gets stuck in academia too much, you get woke retards who claim that there are hundreds of genders, as everything is possible.

Lord Set does predate xianity by millenia, as xianity was invented long after our Gods arrived here. Pagan Gods are real, xianity is fake.

 

[Hárbarðr]

But the principal remains the same, a historical deity was used to represent Satan. Set pre dates Christianity by thousands of years.

Set predates Christianity but he is a stereotypical "dark"/"evil" god, at least according to mainstream Egyptologists (he's not like that at all in reality, he's a human-friendly being like other Gods in our side). The choice to equate Set with Satan was based on the Christian stereotype of him having to do with darkness and evil.

The principle is entirely different as I explained. The Temple of Set began from the Christian stereotypes of Satan and looked to Ancient Egypt to find a god with the exact same stereotypes. The JoS did the exact opposite, its founder asked Satan who he really is and he replied that he has nothing to do with the Christian stereotypes and directed her to many books to do research. So it was discovered that the entire thing has nothing to do with Christianity and Satanism is merely a word used by the enemy to refer to ancient Pagan religions and Satan was a word meaning enemy, and the enemy chose that word to label the chief God of the Gentiles who predated the jews.

I think this miscommunication arose arose here because you and me are talking of a different "Satan". You, being a "theistic"/reverse christian Satanist believe Satan is a christian entity and you are saying that we "use a historical deity to represent Satan" as if we use an ancient God to represent a Christian figure. I as a Zevist/Spiritual Satanist believe that the Christians merely demonized a Pagan God and called him "Satan". Not a "dark" god, a normal God, a bringer of light who is a being friendly to humans and not harmful and turned him into the exact opposite. So I don't see that way at all, I see it merely removing the unnecessary Christian baggage added to a Pagan God and use his original name and attiributes. The Temple of Set chose Ancient Egyptian concepts to represent a Christian stereotype, we didn't.

 

[616Taysha]

And Temple of Set is the splinter group of Church of Satan, founded by Anton LaVey, a jew. The Church of Satan is again, reverse xianity.

and Satan was a word meaning enemy, and the enemy chose that word to label the chief God of the Gentiles who predated the jews.

@BlackFlame333X2 and let the passage above sink in. Humans are also enemies - or, Satans - of jews.

the Christians merely demonized a Pagan God

Instead of 'demonised', I'd use 'made Pagan Gods look bad' but yes, another crucial point. I'm highlighting this, as I don't know whether BlackFlame knows that the term 'demon' means NOT what xians believe it does.

Let Wikipedia tell you this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon

As such, Zeus, our primordial and primary God is Satan - the Enemy of the jew. He is also Satya, the Truth, whereas jews are prolific liars.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

Essentially the Joy of Satan explained this: That the ones that are called now Satan and Demons [in jewish or reversed jewish perspective] are nothing else but the Original Pagan Gods in their reversed identities by the Jews, Christians and Muslims. This was done to defame them and nothing of this was real, or historically consistent. It's how the Original Gods ended up being presented, after the advent of their enemies.

The Joy of Satan aims to restore this situation to normal and eternal standard, as predated the enemy by tens of thousands of years, ie, to bring back the Ancient Original Culture of the Gods, in all their different identities and relate them. This was to reverse the process of Christianity, Islam and Judaism that collectively deceived us all into hating and replacing our Gods.

Joy of Satan went in there, disinifected this place and resurrected the Gods, eventually transforming into the Temple of Zeus who has all the Original Gods [called Daemons in the Ancient World] and completely discarding all Jewish/Islamic/Christian pseudo-information about them.

One was not believing in the "traditional" or the "reverse Satan" when they were in the Joy of Satan, they were believing in the Original, Pagan, Pre-Christian Gods. We removed any semblances of Jewish and related concepts; and voila, we have the finalized form of Temple of Zeus, reinstating our Head God and all the Gods in their original presence.

Any "Satanism" outside of JoS unavoidably was always in some sort of Judaic or dark concept, because the foundations of knowledge of this, come from the enemy. Therefore one whether they want this or not, or they participate in enemy context, they are again worshipping our Original Gods, albeit from the distorted lenses of the Jews on the topic and their cultural leftovers.

We basically got rid of all the Jewish leftovers and what were we left with? The primary and eternal culture, as presented here.