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[email protected], "hailazazel" <hailazazel@... wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
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[email protected], "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
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