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adrianmoonfire

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Call it a carryover of my former faith, if you will, but I believe that we Satanists, in general, are sorely lacking in the mutal spiritual support department. You can find countless Xian prayer networks, but I'd be amazed if you could even find a single non-xian one! We are the true persecuted minority, not the Jews, not the Muslims, and not the xians! I feel we need to have each other's backs, we need to stick together, we are the few against the many, and if they have thousands of prayer networks, we at least need one, because Satan knows they're sure as Hell praying against us!
 
Unless, I am mistaken, "prayer", in and of itself, is not a bad thing, if directed towards Satan. We need not pray as a group, simply for the group, for one another, support each other, and not simply ask things for ourselves. If a "spell" or "ritual" support network is more to your liking, I am all for that, but it's mutual support of the cause and our fellow workers towards that cause, that I am seeking here. Our enemies support one another in this way, and they represent a collective front against us, why can't we unite more against them, and for one another, in a spiritual and mystical sense; I feel this a mistake on our part, not to have such a support network.
 
We are a people who pray, but not nearly enough for one another. We need to be a group who supports each other, not just a loosely connected bunch of lone wolves and solitary practiconers. Rituals, workings, spells, etc., on one another's behalf are as good or better than prayers. But by organizing our efforts, taking and making requests in an orderly fashion we can accomplish more and strengthen our cause and unity.
 
I appreciate the responses I have received, thank you. I am all for participating in prayers against our enemies, but how about prayers for our allies? People have come to our forum asking for help or healing, I appreciate we are a people of strength who value self-reliance, and I'm not advocating the support of spiritual invalids or parasites, but Satan will sort them out, can't we simply offer up a quick prayer or simple ritual for those who request it, or, at least, remember others in our prayers or rituals? Testimonials on the JoS main site note that asking Satan and His Daimons, on other's behalves, is effective. Let's just have each other's backs, we're all in this together and it's literally us against the world.
 
I think a lot of newcomers get the wrong impression, many come to Satan and their fellow Satanists looking for something they never found in their false gods and fake faiths, bit what kind of first impression does it make when they ask for help and all anyone can say is, "do it yourself? ". I'm all for do it yourself, not at for do it for others, but what about do it together, or.for each other, instead. Two is greater than one. I do not advocate dependency, and I am not opposed to independence, but what about interdependce? We are stronger together, than alone. We are in a war, and we are on the same side, let's help each other, not do for, not do without reciprocation, but do for one another, do together, do for the group, and for the cause. Let us exchange requests of assistance with one another, in an orderly fashion, and do, and ask, on one another's behalves.
 
I grasp that there are no mediators in Satanism, but some people have a far more established relationship with Satan and/or one or more Daimons than.others, and it's only natural that those who are new or struggling would seek support from those who have already established contact and formed relationships with those forces they are seeking to connect with. I don't expect anyone to be willing or even able to do much for others, directly, and fully support that everyone can and should seek their own way, but it wouldn't hurt to throw people a bone, every now and again, it wouldn't hurt to at least pass a word along to Satan and his Daemons on other's behalves; especially for those who have trouble doing it themselves. We can all do this for one another. It is not to our advantage, as a group, to be unwilling to support one another, any more than it would be to our advantage to carry along anyone who is unwilling to do for themselves. If we can't support one another, how are we any better than our enemies?
 
What Dark Pagan said was correct, but I understand your concern, but what we do as a group we raise energy for the powers of Hell. We share that energy, we use that energy, we give that energy. We are all tied into the spiritual vortex of Satan's energy.

Hail Satan
 
No army is successful which cannot bring to bare the forces of comradery and morale, perhaps no one understood this better than Hitler, the Noble Wolf. Winning teams understand teamwork. Our enemy uses the power of praying for each other to their advantage, can't we use the same power to ours?
 
There are numerous JoS articles which freely acknowledge the power and efficacy of prayer, both xian and Satanist, the Demons of Hell's army help one another, and us, they are some weaker and some stronger, but they work together. Anyone care to explain to me what's so wrong about this or why we shouldn't pray for each other?
 
We can't just be a group of random strangers who all just happened to run into each other in the same library and whose only response to a cry of help is to point people in the general direction of the self-help section, it makes people feel very alone when we are all the community they can turn to for help as Satanists and we only have general articles, basic advice, and vague assurances to offer them. A simple offer to remember them in your prayers or rituals would often mean infinitely more, it means a connection, a commitment, a concern, and it validates them and their experiences in a real and personal way that a sterile stock response never could. Those who are new and struggling, especially, need this, they need others to howl with them, not for them, not at them, and not just at the same time or in the same place as them, but with them, and they need for us to let them howl with us, too. As Satanists, we don't really have anyone else, to whom should they go, if not us? The enemy?
 
We share a common destiny, Satan goes the way of Satanism, and Satanism goes the way of the Satanists. No Satanists means no Satanism, and no Satanism effectively means no Satan, at least, as far as humanity is concerned. We are not in a competition, we are in this together, we all suffer the same fate if our side falls to the enemy. What kind of army refuses to support its own soldiers? We can't all be generals, and we all must come from somewhere, Satan is understanding and gives us the help we need, let us follow his example and help one another through our collective struggles. It is a great disservice to Satan to disregard the struggles of your brethren.
 
Was a show of weakness or did it foster weakness when Satan helped us, was a sign of irresponsibility, did it breed dependency? Satan looks out for his own, why can't we?
 
Wow... this is what i been trying to saying for weeks because i have my own struggles im dealing with trying to learn and i just feel like i have no one to go to. Im so hungry for information but the site does not explain everything step by step or in much detail. Some things is easy to understand and some things on the site seems like there's missing some key ingredients.... ya know what i mean? 

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:27 AM, adrianmoonfire@... [JoyofSatan666]<[email protected] wrote:   We can't just be a group of random strangers who all just happened to run into each other in the same library and whose only response to a cry of help is to point people in the general direction of the self-help section, it makes people feel very alone when we are all the community they can turn to for help as Satanists and we only have general articles, basic advice, and vague assurances to offer them. A simple offer to remember them in your prayers or rituals would often mean infinitely more, it means a connection, a commitment, a concern, and it validates them and their experiences in a real and personal way that a sterile stock response never could. Those who are new and struggling, especially, need this, they need others to howl with them, not for them, not at them, and not just at the same time or in the same place as them, but with them, and they need for us to let them howl with us, too. As Satanists, we don't really have anyone else, to whom should they go, if not us? The enemy?
 
I'm completely agree. I think we could accomplish so much more by helping the new people more. We need all the help we can get. 

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:36 PM, adrianmoonfire@... [JoyofSatan666]<[email protected] wrote:   We share a common destiny, Satan goes the way of Satanism, and Satanism goes the way of the Satanists. No Satanists means no Satanism, and no Satanism effectively means no Satan, at least, as far as humanity is concerned. We are not in a competition, we are in this together, we all suffer the same fate if our side falls to the enemy. What kind of army refuses to support its own soldiers? We can't all be generals, and we all must come from somewhere, Satan is understanding and gives us the help we need, let us follow his example and help one another through our collective struggles. It is a great disservice to Satan to disregard the struggles of your brethren.
 
We're not a LaVayen frat, we are not an occult club of spooky kids with a shared interest in "the Devil," we do not serve an evil God. Satan hates tyranny, He loves liberty, He is not an enslaver, but the liberator of us all, He seeks to lift us up, not just help us to uplift ourselves, and never to keep us down. How can we say He is our Father if we are not His children? And how can we be His children save by living in His spirit? It was not a spirit of "rational self-interest" or "animal instinct" which led Him to sacrifice Himself for the sake of our benefit, it was not a spirit of Ranydianism or Machiavellianism which prompts Him to help those who were once His enemies, as many of us once were. Whose children are we really when refuse to help one another out of some sense of the importance of "might makes right" or "survival of the fittest?". We all either represent an asset or a liabilty to Satan's cause, are we really fighting with Him, or against Him? What benefit is it to His cause if we only seek to serve our own interests? Why should He help.us if we don't help Him? He is in a war to the death against our common foe, are you helping Him, or just dragging Him down? Are you with us, or against us? The enemy is all about obssessional self-interest and in-fighting, they are always killing each other in their efforts to jockey for a better position of power. We are better than our enemy, are we not? Let us support each other with our prayers and rituals. Can anyone truly tell.me that Satan is opposed to this, or it just human.ignorance?
 
I can see the veiwpoint which precieves prayers for one another as superfluous, after all we not Solomonic exorcists seeking to control the Gods, and they are not our captured Djinni slaves, as such it's not as if we would or even could make them do anything by asking, and, they, being the Gods that they are, will not be informed of anything they did not already know of, by virtue of our petitions. But that begs the question of why pray even for ourselves? Whatever your answer to that question may be, that is the very same reason you should pray for your Satanic brethren. But, more than that, there is the human element, the practical benefits of forming bonds and of letting others know that they are not alone in their struggles, and neither are you. We are in this together, let's act like it.
 
If you came here from any kind of background which practiced praying for one another, just picture that experience, sans the bullshit, and to Satan, and by Satanists and for Satanists. And for anyone who hasn't, imagine everything great about being a Satanist, plus working as a team who has one another's backs.

What part of that doesn't sound awesome?

Are we seriously worried about "giving up too much" to each other? Are we afraid we might "tax" our Gods with such requests? Is this some kind of race where we fear giving our "opponents" an "edge?"

I know, you say, but we do help, what's the difference, what are you going on about? Why don't you try it see, it works wonders for our enemies, I bet it could be amazing for us!
 
Every one of us has xians praying "for" us, all the time, these prayers produce real.effects, and they are not pleasant, they are a legitimate form.of psychic attack. By praying for each other, as Satanists, we help create a form of psychic defense. This is especially important to those who are new, as they are the most vulnerable: they could be valuable, too, but not if we refuse to do the work.necessary to give them.a fighting chance.

Honestly, if we don't care about growing our forces or strengthening those we already have, and we're all just chill about losing new recruits to the enemy because it's more important to look or feel "cool," "dark," or "tough," or whatever it is we think it means to be a "Satanist," then by all means, don't let me get in your way; but that seems like a terible way to fight a war and it hardly seems to reflect the nature of the General which inspired so many of us to sign up for it, in the first place.

I'm not asking for a donation, just a damn. A lot of people just want to share prayers with each.other. Unless this is a different JoS forum, then, last I checked, we do pray. So why the Hell is asking for or offering prayers such a taboo?

Not money, not resources, not a whole ritulal, just prayers, or part of a ritual. Not praying or.doing for, but with, together, quid pro quo, no one asking for anything more than they can and will do for others, no one asking for anything to be done for them, just with them.

I'm sorry if a flood of spiritual beggars bumrushed you demanding free stuff I the past. I'm sure the preisthood gets inudateded daily with sob stories and desperate plees of "tell me who my GD is," or, "am I the Antichrist?," or, "read my fortune.". I am not advocating free lunches at your expense, it doesn't have to be like that.

Such a small thing, just a simple exchanging of requests, you lick my wounds, I lick yours, and once seemed to many a group of lone wolves, is suddenly a pack. It's not a unreasonable request, but it would mean so much to so many who feel isolated from each other, yet, surrounded by the enemy


There is a basic human desire for this amongst many of our brethren, I see it. I hear it, I feel.it. it is a desire for confirmation, validation, and belonging, a desire which only the kind if connection offeed by joining together can offer, and I see no reason that it should be denied, much less, shunned. A few simple words, that's all I'm askng for, they may not.mean much to you, but they would mean the world to many here.

Look, I'm not saying this everyone has to do this, like it's some kind of duty, but why wouldn't you, much less, why oppose people who do want to? The.more I consider it, the.less sense it makes not to. If Satan's opposed to it, then He'll simply say. " no," but, if He says, 'yes," instead, then who are we to say He"s wrong? And it was my understanding, coming into this, from the main JoS site, that He's said yes to such requests before; so why not?
 
Well said Adrian. It is not human ignorance but human selfishness.


On Friday, April 15, 2016 7:11 AM, "adrianmoonfire@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  We're not a LaVayen frat, we are not an occult club of spooky kids with a shared interest in "the Devil," we do not serve an evil God. Satan hates tyranny, He loves liberty, He is not an enslaver, but the liberator of us all, He seeks to lift us up, not just help us to uplift ourselves, and never to keep us down. How can we say He is our Father if we are not His children? And how can we be His children save by living in His spirit? It was not a spirit of "rational self-interest" or "animal instinct" which led Him to sacrifice Himself for the sake of our benefit, it was not a spirit of Ranydianism or Machiavellianism which prompts Him to help those who were once His enemies, as many of us once were. Whose children are we really when refuse to help one another out of some sense of the importance of "might makes right" or "survival of the fittest?". We all either represent an asset or a liabilty to Satan's cause, are we really fighting with Him, or against Him? What benefit is it to His cause if we only seek to serve our own interests? Why should He help.us if we don't help Him? He is in a war to the death against our common foe, are you helping Him, or just dragging Him down? Are you with us, or against us? The enemy is all about obssessional self-interest and in-fighting, they are always killing each other in their efforts to jockey for a better position of power. We are better than our enemy, are we not? Let us support each other with our prayers and rituals. Can anyone truly tell.me that Satan is opposed to this, or it just human.ignorance?

 
A family of brethren whose defining common feature is a lack of desire for forming a family and a lack of need for brethren makes about as much sense as a government composed solely of anarchists.

Preach.about love and family and of course your going to attract people who are expecting just that! It should really come as no surprise that newcomers might be confused about this!

What are we really all about, what are we fighting for?
 
Brethren of people who have spiritual independence not dependence on everyone else to "pray" for them. People more readily want to look after those who look after themselves.
 
Kikes want to DESTROY family unit, and you are bullshitting.

Get lost you wiccan moron. Go trolling people who will swallow your retardation.

HS!
HAIL VOLAC!
88!
 
I see praying or working rituals for one another as a source of unity and strentgh, not a source of division or weakness, it's a team building and binding exercise, if nothing else.

I am.happy to oppose the practice, myself, if someone could.produce a coherent rationale for why it's such a "sin."
 
One of the biggest issues with the xian "god" is that he is claimed to.be infinitely loving, and yet he very clearly is not.loving at all.

I came into this being told of Satan's love, over and over again, and yet, when I suggest a simple practice of brotherly love I am shot down as if I had advocated child sacrifice!

Is it the word, "prayer?". I don't see how it could be, the word is used by the Jos, nevertheless, I am all for " bringing the needs of our fellow brethren up to Satan when we come to Him." If that works better...for some reason...
 
Adrianne, we do not 'pray' for each other. I have read all your posts on this thread and it smacks to me of Xian programming. I agree with Black wyrm....you are deluded. You are missing the point. It is not strengthening to blindly assist every sycophant who comes in asking for a 'prayer' on their behalf. That is just not self sufficiency. For the ones who cannot understand they must become self sufficient, who are turned away by our stance that they must take personal responsibility, then they are not strong enough to be an SS. Its not about the numbers its about the quality.

You are striving to apply an Xian ideology to us. it won't fly. I don't know if you are truly honestly confused here or if you are trolling. In the end it doesn't matter, the truth remains the same.

Its not a source of unity its a source of draining the energy of the strong for those who are weak and parasites. This kind of slavish thinking is Xian. Its New Age. it is not SS.

We work to empower ourselves, we don't appeal to more powerful Beings in a slavish way; though we do look up to our powerful Gods as the big (REALLY BIG) Brothers and Sisters that they are. And we especially look up to Father. We might feel compelled from time to time to ask one them to help us in some manner, but we still know we have to do our own work too, so we try our best to solve our own problems first. And its a give and take relationship. You give to the Gods too. If they helped us with every little thing, they actually would be doing us harm because in order to grow and learn, sometimes one has to fall down and skin a knee. We each go through our own struggles. That's part of growing and evolving as we strive to advance ourselves in Satanism.
You may think whats the harm in giving energy and a 'prayer' to someone you don't know who wants it...it is truly part of the suicidal beliefs of Xianity. Just give it all away and we are all one. we are NOT all one. There is a hierarchy. You work and struggle to advance, it is not given as some inalienable right. I am striving to explain in terms you will grasp.

I personally have found I don't really NEED to ask, because it seems that as I struggle, IF I really need it, I get their help. Its like you see a little one struggling, and they don't have enough know how or power, so you lean over and extend a hand sometimes, unasked. Because that's the right thing to do. And before you batten onto that as an ah hah! see we should pray for each other, no. That's not what I am saying. They see someone who is genuinely working their tail off and doing all they can and they extend a helping hand. NOT the same thing as just blindly 'helping' someone who didn't lift a finger on their own behalf and turned to the more powerful to hand them the solution.

We support one another and work together for Satan. That support might be encouragement, sending helpful links, sending someone some energy in special exceptional PERSONAL cases perhaps. But not for just anyone who comes in and wants it. You earn what you get. There are no free rides. This pray for me thing is really Xian and no, we don't do that. This pray for me mentality honestly disgusts me. It makes me sick. it is weak.

If you want help you first do all you can to help yourself through meditation and taking actions, not by doing nothing and 'praying' for the solutions to be handed to you. Doesn't work that way.

We each take responsibility for ourselves. So we do our personal best and strive every day, and if we still need a hand, then one of our Gods will give us a helping hand. There is no need to feel anxious or depressed or to be appealing to them constantly. I just trust that if it's truly needed, (and I work my tail off on my own first) they will help me because I am a little Sister and they are wonderful Beings who are really loving and help when its appropriate. And that said, sometimes the best help is to let a person learn something the hard way on their own.

A Satanist prayer network is a Non sequitur.

The key here is you first do your own work. Satanism is not for the weak, it requires a lot of work. If new people are coming in and are turned off because nobody will 'pray' for them, that's no loss really because they never had what it takes to be a real SS and so good riddance.

But the work to advance is also a lot of FUN! It feels so great when you see the progress you make for yourself, and learn new things and advance yourself. It's very rewarding! That's part of the Joy in Joy of Satan I think! And lucky you, you found JOS! You now have a roadmap of how you can empower yourself and also in the process help Father and this World. And that's a fucking awesome thing. So be joyful, stick that nose to the grindstone, and get busy! There is much to do!

And don't forget to do those RTR's daily!

Hail Father Satan Forever!
 
Okay it is very simple Adrian

I can understand if you come from a xian background this can be a very difficult thing to understand, but praying for other people creates a vicious cycle of weakness that cannot be overcome. This is how the xian church and the enemy in general controlls the people's minds and enslaves them.

Allow me to explain how this works: 

When you "pray" for another person you create a connection to the other persons aura. As a Satanist you have acces to a lot more energy than a common xian and thus the amount of energy you send to someone when you connect with them and meditate on them is much larger. 
For the person recieving this energy or help it will certainly help them if they are in a difficult period. 

However the person wo send the energy now has less energy to use in ritual because he has an active connection to another person. When you connect to another person and send your energy to them in "prayer" you are basically sending a part of your aura to them to perform a certain action, such as protecting that person from psychic attack. 

The more rituals you do, for example you are sending energy in "prayer" to another person and also working on protecting yourself, you are healing your grandmother who has fallen ill and you are cursing the enemy jew everyday aswell as cursing your ex girlfriend for betraying you (These were just examples)  You are spreading your aura thin. The more different things you program your energy to do the smaller the energy to each individual task becomes. 

Imagine what happens when you spread your energy out over more than a thousand people? 
You will instantly get drained and you won't have any power left, on top of that the people you are sendng energy to won't notice a thing because the energy is spread so thin that it becomes utterly useless. 

In fact sending energy to more than 5 people at once will have this effect. It will drain you immedietly and make all the energy you send utterly useless and it weakens your aura to the point where you can't protect yourself anymore. 

That is the reality of things. 

Now for the recieving party, this person will learn to be dependant on other peoples energy. 
If that person cannot cope with the things in his life himself and always relies on other people to "pray" for him then he becommes weak and enslaved. He won't believe in his own power and he won't understand that his own power is enough to protect himself and dictate his own destiny. 

If every newby here would ask for assistance because he has trouble dealing with something in his life then they would never learn how to stand strong and how to become a powerful individual and thus this would create weakness. 

In xianity nobody believes in their own power, everyone looks fearfull up to god and hopes that he will forgive them. These people pray slavishly for each other, but what they don't know is that they are only making the other person weaker in the long run because they become dependant on the energy from others. 

We as Satanist need to be independant power houses who can stand against the greatest mountain all by themselves. Satan wants us to become strong and we become strong as an individual, not by praying for each other and spreading our energies thin. 

We don't meditate only for ourselves out of selfish human insticts or because of something stupid such as "survival of the fittest". We do so because the only way to defeat our enemy and the only way to help other people is to be powerfull yourself. 

First work on yourself and when you become truly powerful, then you can start to think about assisting other people one way or another. 

Satan doesn't keep us under his wings permanently either. He requires us to become powerful enough so we can stand on our own 2 legs and protect our selves from the enemy. 
He will protect you for as long as you need before you reach that point, but he wants you to stand on your own. He doesn't want any satanist to be dependant on him or on another Satanist. He wants you to be strong. 

That is how he liberates us, he liberates us from weakness by giving us the means to become powerful. 
It is not power that he gives us, but he gives us the knowledge to become powerful and liberate ourselves. 

We do the same thing here, we give knowledge to new satanist here so they can in turn also learn to liberate themselves instead of get stuck in an endless cycle of weakness. 

When you become powerful your aura will shine so bright it automatically spreads this energy to the atmosphere around you. The people around you will automatically bathe in your immense aura and be protected aswell as empowered without putting a drain on your energies. 

When you focus on becomming strong as an individual you can do so much more for others than if you were to "pray" for others and spread your energy thin. Nobody needs that and it doesn't help anybody. 

First help yourself and then think about helping others. This is not out of selfishness, but because you can't be of help to anybody if you are too weak to help yourself. 

On a last note: 

The word "pray" doesn't apply to Satanism either, not in the xian sense atleast. 
That is why we don't use it and why we say we don't pray. 
It is because prayer has become a corrupted practice of the enemy which is associated with slavish worship. 

We meditate and work with energy. We vibrate mantra's. We perform Yoga. This is how we pray. 
We perform active power meditations on ourselves and raise our own energy untill we become as the Gods. 
That is the greatest "prayer" we can ever give to Satan and to our fellow Satanists. 

HAIL SATAN!
 
Some of the later responses here were great, thank you.

Sorry, I've already accepted your point of view, my posts to that effect just haven't made it through yet.

I admit I was being stupid, but I wasn't connected enough to Satan to truly grasp the reality of the situation, yet.

It's one of those, "if you have to ask, you'll never know," "you get it or you don't," sort of things.

Thanks for your patience and understanding while I got my shit together.
 
A satanic prayer network is the most Christian thing I've ever heard on this group. Hands down. 

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On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 10:36 AM, adrianmoonfire@... [JoyofSatan666]<[email protected] wrote:   Some of the later responses here were great, thank you.

Sorry, I've already accepted your point of view, my posts to that effect just haven't made it through yet.

I admit I was being stupid, but I wasn't connected enough to Satan to truly grasp the reality of the situation, yet.

It's one of those, "if you have to ask, you'll never know," "you get it or you don't," sort of things.

Thanks for your patience and understanding while I got my shit together.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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