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I don't know if there is a way to strengthen Pluto but if you wanted to use some of its energies then you could try invoking it but be a bit careful when doing so. You can program your aura to absorb Pluto's energies in a positive way. If there was ever a Pluto square then maybe lol




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On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 1:30 AM EDT gonzalezedlyn wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
You do not need a mantra to work with a planets energy, you can simply meditate on the planet or it's symbol and once you feel it's energy draw it into yourself.

But please listen to what I have to say next as it's important, I have to warn you of some things.

I have worked with Pluto's energy extensively for several years now. It's a perosnal planet in my chart and it's energy is a lot stronger than any other planet in our solar system, second only to the Sun and other Stars. Pluto can also be an extremely dangerous planet for those who don't know what they're doing and it's energy is very very difficult to handle.
Unless you are exceptionally powerful and know your own mind very well, this planet's energy will control you, instead of the other way around.
This is because Pluto works with your unconscious, over which you have no control and where your ego has no say whatsoever. It's energy will bring up buried emotions and these can be things you don't even know you have and can manifest as a sudden urge to be violent, with hate and rage for example. Or it can attract situations that bring up these emotions into your life and this can be more than just a little upsetting, this can result in a lot of destructiveness.
This is HEALTHY but you have to remain aware of what's going on and be in control of yourself, make sure you are at the level where you can control your thoughts and feelings at will.

Despite what the RHP tells you about the self beyond the conscious ego, it's not all "love and light". There are no concepts or morality at this level and because it's usually the destructive and "immoral" things which we are forced to block, it's usually these which come out with Pluto, which makes Pluto same more destructive than what it really is.
It makes no difference if you think child molestation is evil, or wanting to collect teddy bears is unmanly and makes you a wussie, or not wanting to work makes you a lazy bum, if any urges like that are in your unconscious Pluto will bring them out for better or worse.
And nobodies opinion on these things matter to your unconscious mind, not even your own. I'm not saying it is any of those things, just making an example.

~--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@... wrote:
Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
<td val[/IMG]Learn how to shed your skin. I have Pluto 2 degrees into my first house/ascendent. Learning how to die in a positive manner so a rebirth can take place with the least amount of trauma.

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--- On Sun, 10/7/12, gonzalezedlyn <gonzalezedlyn@... wrote:
From: gonzalezedlyn <gonzalezedlyn@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] Pluto
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, October 7, 2012, 12:30 AM

  Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
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I am warning everyone here...there are some things one is best not to experiment with. Pluto has immense power. Even the element 'plutonium' which is used in nuclear explosives sums up this planet's energies and influences accurately.

I have found pluto all by itself to be a neutral planet, especialy in predictions, its influence conforming to the planet it is come into contact with more than anything, but it can operate for positive events and also malefic events. In any event, its influence is major transforming changes.

Pluto's transits include births, deaths, marriages/permanent relationships, obsessive and very painful love, obsessions, permanent disabling accidents, issues of power, major domestic changes of all kinds...
When pluto hits something it is permanent. Pluto in the first house of a solar return signifies a 'first in the life.' I had this when I had my first baby as a teenager. This was very transforming in becoming a new mother and was permanent.

Pluto is power. It can also be brutal. Pluto in the seventh [marriage/partnership] house can bring an obsessive, jealous, controlling spouse/partner who is extremey abusive.

Pluto in the fouth [mother/home and family] often indicates an overly controlling and dominating mother. Same applies to pluto/moon aspects [moon rules the mother], and pluto/sun [sun rules the father]. With the pluto here, the impressions run very deep regarding the parent. I knew of a case where a man grew up without a father and it scarred him deeply. He had a tight pluto/sun square in his chart.

People who have pluto/venus aspects, even with the trine, their feelings run deep. They can become obsessive in love relationships. They are jealous by nature and controlling. No amount of love is enough love. Like...'if we could get any closer, you would be in back of me.' Definitely not for the lighter air signs, as pluto/venus wants total possession of their loved one.

Pluto/mercury is a good combination to have as this aspect, especially with the conjunction, square and opposition, and to a lesser extent the trine; this one makes a natural mage as people who have this have the gift to focus and concentrate their minds to an almost piercing level, depending on how close the aspect it. The tighter the orb, the more pronouced the influence. These people alsoare snoops by nature.

Pluto/mars- the do or die aspect. These people will use force or whatever means is necessary to achieve their ends and can be deadly enemies. They are fearless and cut-throats. Rarely neutral about anything. Either love it or hate it.

Pluto in the houses is where you have your obsession, or in some cases, power issues. Pluto in the third house- an obsession with knowledge and one who keeps repeating one's self and communicates intensely. Pluto in the eleventh will often bring powerful friends. Pluto in the twelfth can indicate intense loneliness unless this energy is sublimated through meditation, then it becomes power.

Pluto is nothing to experiment with. This planet, thiough not a malefic per say, goes beyond saturn when it comes to its power. Natural ruler of the eighth house, the house of transformation and death.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@... wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
Draco, you are a hundred percent right. Splendid. I agree with every line you wrote and thank you for this specification, it helped me. I am going through a square Neptune/Uranus and it brings me so much destruction from my unconscious. I can 'block' some of it, but it surfaces and I can't do much about it. To be honest I actually enjoy it. I feel so much potential to destroy. Memories that I had since I was a kid, supressions, fear or whatever else is getting out and I emmit an aura of fear. I have so much destructive power at this time and I go full on people who wrong me, which has had a freeing impact on my personality. For the first time in my life I feel so much anger, I feel capable of wrecking people to shreds. Though I don't let it 'overtake' me and I always try to use logic. Sometimes I get crazy dreams and stupid emotional fears, which obviously comes from this transit too. But its fucking cleansing and has changed my life for the better, so I can say I turn this to my advantage. Pluto is a blessing if you can control your reactions and you know your inner self. I knew I had all these burried inside and meditation helps sublimate the bullshit in a nice manner, at least. Meditation is truly medicine for the soul. Accompanied with some other good transits it helps me get forward.

I wanted to ask you, since I appriciate your input, how did Pluto really feel for you? I mean the energy, what type of workings you tried to do, or something. I have it conjuct on Scorpio moon and Inconjuct on my Mercury...So both make a fucking perfect combo. I have combusting emotions. I am in control and calm, I never get overtaken...But when my emotions lash out, then chaos unveils, for better or worse. So what is your experience Draco?

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Draco Majinn" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

You do not need a mantra to work with a planets energy, you can simply meditate on the planet or it's symbol and once you feel it's energy draw it into yourself.

But please listen to what I have to say next as it's important, I have to warn you of some things.

I have worked with Pluto's energy extensively for several years now. It's a perosnal planet in my chart and it's energy is a lot stronger than any other planet in our solar system, second only to the Sun and other Stars. Pluto can also be an extremely dangerous planet for those who don't know what they're doing and it's energy is very very difficult to handle.
Unless you are exceptionally powerful and know your own mind very well, this planet's energy will control you, instead of the other way around.
This is because Pluto works with your unconscious, over which you have no control and where your ego has no say whatsoever. It's energy will bring up buried emotions and these can be things you don't even know you have and can manifest as a sudden urge to be violent, with hate and rage for example. Or it can attract situations that bring up these emotions into your life and this can be more than just a little upsetting, this can result in a lot of destructiveness.
This is HEALTHY but you have to remain aware of what's going on and be in control of yourself, make sure you are at the level where you can control your thoughts and feelings at will.

Despite what the RHP tells you about the self beyond the conscious ego, it's not all "love and light". There are no concepts or morality at this level and because it's usually the destructive and "immoral" things which we are forced to block, it's usually these which come out with Pluto, which makes Pluto same more destructive than what it really is.
It makes no difference if you think child molestation is evil, or wanting to collect teddy bears is unmanly and makes you a wussie, or not wanting to work makes you a lazy bum, if any urges like that are in your unconscious Pluto will bring them out for better or worse.
And nobodies opinion on these things matter to your unconscious mind, not even your own. I'm not saying it is any of those things, just making an example.

~--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@ wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
HP Maxine you did my birthchart and told me that I have pluto in the eigth house but said that since its in the last degree of the eight house you did the reading for it being in the ninth and eigth house...But this still confuses me abit...so is my pluto in the 8th or 9th?


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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:24 AM EDT High Priestess Maxine Dietrich wrote:


I am warning everyone here...there are some things one is best not to experiment with. Pluto has immense power. Even the element 'plutonium' which is used in nuclear explosives sums up this planet's energies and influences accurately.

I have found pluto all by itself to be a neutral planet, especialy in predictions, its influence conforming to the planet it is come into contact with more than anything, but it can operate for positive events and also malefic events. In any event, its influence is major transforming changes.

Pluto's transits include births, deaths, marriages/permanent relationships, obsessive and very painful love, obsessions, permanent disabling accidents, issues of power, major domestic changes of all kinds...
When pluto hits something it is permanent. Pluto in the first house of a solar return signifies a 'first in the life.' I had this when I had my first baby as a teenager. This was very transforming in becoming a new mother and was permanent.

Pluto is power. It can also be brutal. Pluto in the seventh [marriage/partnership] house can bring an obsessive, jealous, controlling spouse/partner who is extremey abusive.

Pluto in the fouth [mother/home and family] often indicates an overly controlling and dominating mother. Same applies to pluto/moon aspects [moon rules the mother], and pluto/sun [sun rules the father]. With the pluto here, the impressions run very deep regarding the parent. I knew of a case where a man grew up without a father and it scarred him deeply. He had a tight pluto/sun square in his chart.

People who have pluto/venus aspects, even with the trine, their feelings run deep. They can become obsessive in love relationships. They are jealous by nature and controlling. No amount of love is enough love. Like...'if we could get any closer, you would be in back of me.' Definitely not for the lighter air signs, as pluto/venus wants total possession of their loved one.

Pluto/mercury is a good combination to have as this aspect, especially with the conjunction, square and opposition, and to a lesser extent the trine; this one makes a natural mage as people who have this have the gift to focus and concentrate their minds to an almost piercing level, depending on how close the aspect it. The tighter the orb, the more pronouced the influence. These people alsoare snoops by nature.

Pluto/mars- the do or die aspect. These people will use force or whatever means is necessary to achieve their ends and can be deadly enemies. They are fearless and cut-throats. Rarely neutral about anything. Either love it or hate it.

Pluto in the houses is where you have your obsession, or in some cases, power issues. Pluto in the third house- an obsession with knowledge and one who keeps repeating one's self and communicates intensely. Pluto in the eleventh will often bring powerful friends. Pluto in the twelfth can indicate intense loneliness unless this energy is sublimated through meditation, then it becomes power.

Pluto is nothing to experiment with. This planet, thiough not a malefic per say, goes beyond saturn when it comes to its power. Natural ruler of the eighth house, the house of transformation and death.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@... wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
What about Uranus and Neptune? Is it all the transcendental planets that you should be careful with?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@... wrote:


I am warning everyone here...there are some things one is best not to experiment with. Pluto has immense power. Even the element 'plutonium' which is used in nuclear explosives sums up this planet's energies and influences accurately.

I have found pluto all by itself to be a neutral planet, especialy in predictions, its influence conforming to the planet it is come into contact with more than anything, but it can operate for positive events and also malefic events. In any event, its influence is major transforming changes.

Pluto's transits include births, deaths, marriages/permanent relationships, obsessive and very painful love, obsessions, permanent disabling accidents, issues of power, major domestic changes of all kinds...
When pluto hits something it is permanent. Pluto in the first house of a solar return signifies a 'first in the life.' I had this when I had my first baby as a teenager. This was very transforming in becoming a new mother and was permanent.

Pluto is power. It can also be brutal. Pluto in the seventh [marriage/partnership] house can bring an obsessive, jealous, controlling spouse/partner who is extremey abusive.

Pluto in the fouth [mother/home and family] often indicates an overly controlling and dominating mother. Same applies to pluto/moon aspects [moon rules the mother], and pluto/sun [sun rules the father]. With the pluto here, the impressions run very deep regarding the parent. I knew of a case where a man grew up without a father and it scarred him deeply. He had a tight pluto/sun square in his chart.

People who have pluto/venus aspects, even with the trine, their feelings run deep. They can become obsessive in love relationships. They are jealous by nature and controlling. No amount of love is enough love. Like...'if we could get any closer, you would be in back of me.' Definitely not for the lighter air signs, as pluto/venus wants total possession of their loved one.

Pluto/mercury is a good combination to have as this aspect, especially with the conjunction, square and opposition, and to a lesser extent the trine; this one makes a natural mage as people who have this have the gift to focus and concentrate their minds to an almost piercing level, depending on how close the aspect it. The tighter the orb, the more pronouced the influence. These people alsoare snoops by nature.

Pluto/mars- the do or die aspect. These people will use force or whatever means is necessary to achieve their ends and can be deadly enemies. They are fearless and cut-throats. Rarely neutral about anything. Either love it or hate it.

Pluto in the houses is where you have your obsession, or in some cases, power issues. Pluto in the third house- an obsession with knowledge and one who keeps repeating one's self and communicates intensely. Pluto in the eleventh will often bring powerful friends. Pluto in the twelfth can indicate intense loneliness unless this energy is sublimated through meditation, then it becomes power.

Pluto is nothing to experiment with. This planet, thiough not a malefic per say, goes beyond saturn when it comes to its power. Natural ruler of the eighth house, the house of transformation and death.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@ wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
Oh Gosh, i dont want to fuck with pluto then. And yup thats me with the pluto/mars aspect. Yikes! Oh and HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!! October 9th!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@... wrote:


I am warning everyone here...there are some things one is best not to experiment with. Pluto has immense power. Even the element 'plutonium' which is used in nuclear explosives sums up this planet's energies and influences accurately.

I have found pluto all by itself to be a neutral planet, especialy in predictions, its influence conforming to the planet it is come into contact with more than anything, but it can operate for positive events and also malefic events. In any event, its influence is major transforming changes.

Pluto's transits include births, deaths, marriages/permanent relationships, obsessive and very painful love, obsessions, permanent disabling accidents, issues of power, major domestic changes of all kinds...
When pluto hits something it is permanent. Pluto in the first house of a solar return signifies a 'first in the life.' I had this when I had my first baby as a teenager. This was very transforming in becoming a new mother and was permanent.

Pluto is power. It can also be brutal. Pluto in the seventh [marriage/partnership] house can bring an obsessive, jealous, controlling spouse/partner who is extremey abusive.

Pluto in the fouth [mother/home and family] often indicates an overly controlling and dominating mother. Same applies to pluto/moon aspects [moon rules the mother], and pluto/sun [sun rules the father]. With the pluto here, the impressions run very deep regarding the parent. I knew of a case where a man grew up without a father and it scarred him deeply. He had a tight pluto/sun square in his chart.

People who have pluto/venus aspects, even with the trine, their feelings run deep. They can become obsessive in love relationships. They are jealous by nature and controlling. No amount of love is enough love. Like...'if we could get any closer, you would be in back of me.' Definitely not for the lighter air signs, as pluto/venus wants total possession of their loved one.

Pluto/mercury is a good combination to have as this aspect, especially with the conjunction, square and opposition, and to a lesser extent the trine; this one makes a natural mage as people who have this have the gift to focus and concentrate their minds to an almost piercing level, depending on how close the aspect it. The tighter the orb, the more pronouced the influence. These people alsoare snoops by nature.

Pluto/mars- the do or die aspect. These people will use force or whatever means is necessary to achieve their ends and can be deadly enemies. They are fearless and cut-throats. Rarely neutral about anything. Either love it or hate it.

Pluto in the houses is where you have your obsession, or in some cases, power issues. Pluto in the third house- an obsession with knowledge and one who keeps repeating one's self and communicates intensely. Pluto in the eleventh will often bring powerful friends. Pluto in the twelfth can indicate intense loneliness unless this energy is sublimated through meditation, then it becomes power.

Pluto is nothing to experiment with. This planet, thiough not a malefic per say, goes beyond saturn when it comes to its power. Natural ruler of the eighth house, the house of transformation and death.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@ wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
Okay well then i definitely dont wanna fuck with plutos energy right now. Im already kinda nuts as it is, sometimes. Pluto is my chart ruler and it exactly conjuncts my ascendent, scorpio. I dont think im at the level i need to be yet to harness plutos energy. Im afraid i cant control it. I can barely control my regular rage. And i would also like to hear ur experiences with pluto Draco.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Draco Majinn" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

You do not need a mantra to work with a planets energy, you can simply meditate on the planet or it's symbol and once you feel it's energy draw it into yourself.

But please listen to what I have to say next as it's important, I have to warn you of some things.

I have worked with Pluto's energy extensively for several years now. It's a perosnal planet in my chart and it's energy is a lot stronger than any other planet in our solar system, second only to the Sun and other Stars. Pluto can also be an extremely dangerous planet for those who don't know what they're doing and it's energy is very very difficult to handle.
Unless you are exceptionally powerful and know your own mind very well, this planet's energy will control you, instead of the other way around.
This is because Pluto works with your unconscious, over which you have no control and where your ego has no say whatsoever. It's energy will bring up buried emotions and these can be things you don't even know you have and can manifest as a sudden urge to be violent, with hate and rage for example. Or it can attract situations that bring up these emotions into your life and this can be more than just a little upsetting, this can result in a lot of destructiveness.
This is HEALTHY but you have to remain aware of what's going on and be in control of yourself, make sure you are at the level where you can control your thoughts and feelings at will.

Despite what the RHP tells you about the self beyond the conscious ego, it's not all "love and light". There are no concepts or morality at this level and because it's usually the destructive and "immoral" things which we are forced to block, it's usually these which come out with Pluto, which makes Pluto same more destructive than what it really is.
It makes no difference if you think child molestation is evil, or wanting to collect teddy bears is unmanly and makes you a wussie, or not wanting to work makes you a lazy bum, if any urges like that are in your unconscious Pluto will bring them out for better or worse.
And nobodies opinion on these things matter to your unconscious mind, not even your own. I'm not saying it is any of those things, just making an example.

~--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@ wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
HoodedCobra666 & Gonzaleslyn: Sorry this is late I been busy and wasn't expecting that response from you guys. Thanks though Cobra I appreciate it.
These are just my experiences with Pluto so I can't guarantee everyone else here will experience the same. And I have Pluto conjunct Mercury, Venus, Sun and Mars in the sign of Scorpio which Pluto rules. So what I experienced is probably not going to be representative of what other people experience. Just the same as how someone with a strong Capricorn emphasis or Capricorn ascendant experiences Saturn as a benefic. While for the rest of us it's the worst malefic.

I first began working with Pluto's energy without an intended working, their isn't a lot of in depth info written on this planet as still not much is known. So I figured the only way to learn is to invoke it and see. At first it's energies are very difficult even to will with your own mind. It's a lot different to the sun for example, where the energy just flows through you with ease, pluto feels like you have to use all the power of your will just to bring it inside you. This is only when you first work with it, once your used to it, it seems to become easier and easier. Especially once you build up a connection with it. Like any planet, demon or energy source really.

As I began drawing in it's energy the first thing I experienced was obsessive love, (according to HP Maxine I am prone to this anyway cause of my Venus Conjunct Pluto in Scorpio) But within a day of working with Plutos energy, I fell deeply in love with a girl I had only known for a short time. This was three years ago and my soul wasn't as strong as now and my mind was definitely not as strong. So I became obsessed with her and wanted to perform love magick because the love was one sided. And this obsession then compelled me to relentlessly void meditate and empower my chakras because at that time I wasn't strong enough for love magick. And it ended up bringing me a lot of progress, I was working on my soul at least 10 hours a day, although the experience with this girl was the most painful of my life. With all the power I gained I was still so obsessed with her that I couldn't even perform any love or sex magick because I was overwhelmed with emotion just by thinking about her. THIS IS WHAT PLUTO CAN DO. Even just a tiny amount of it's energy. You'll never be the same.

I regret nothing though, because the experience lead to me having power of the mind and soul which I never dreamed I could have. This tends to be a common theme with Pluto though, the pain is usually something mutually transforming. You will suffer much with Pluto, (usually it's suffering of the emotional kind, unlike Saturn which is usually the physical kind) but Pluto will bring you things you never thought you could you have, infact it will throw you towards it. There is really no other way to put it, Pluto completely overwhelms you with emotion and drive towards something or someone.

I continued working with Pluto throughout this experience and it eventually brings you to a point where this intense desire and emotion which for the average person is compulsiveness and obsession, becomes a fearlessness and sense of power inside you like no other once you have worked with it enough and if you couple working with Pluto with focusing your mind and empowering your soul. There is almost nothing a psychologist could tell me about myself which I don't already know thanks to Pluto, it has got me in touch with feelings I never knew I had and I feel almost psychologically invinsible sometimes.

Hope this helps. Share your thoughts.

HAIL SATAN!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@... wrote:

Okay well then i definitely dont wanna fuck with plutos energy right now. Im already kinda nuts as it is, sometimes. Pluto is my chart ruler and it exactly conjuncts my ascendent, scorpio. I dont think im at the level i need to be yet to harness plutos energy. Im afraid i cant control it. I can barely control my regular rage. And i would also like to hear ur experiences with pluto Draco.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Draco Majinn" <xxrygelxx@ wrote:

You do not need a mantra to work with a planets energy, you can simply meditate on the planet or it's symbol and once you feel it's energy draw it into yourself.

But please listen to what I have to say next as it's important, I have to warn you of some things.

I have worked with Pluto's energy extensively for several years now. It's a perosnal planet in my chart and it's energy is a lot stronger than any other planet in our solar system, second only to the Sun and other Stars. Pluto can also be an extremely dangerous planet for those who don't know what they're doing and it's energy is very very difficult to handle.
Unless you are exceptionally powerful and know your own mind very well, this planet's energy will control you, instead of the other way around.
This is because Pluto works with your unconscious, over which you have no control and where your ego has no say whatsoever. It's energy will bring up buried emotions and these can be things you don't even know you have and can manifest as a sudden urge to be violent, with hate and rage for example. Or it can attract situations that bring up these emotions into your life and this can be more than just a little upsetting, this can result in a lot of destructiveness.
This is HEALTHY but you have to remain aware of what's going on and be in control of yourself, make sure you are at the level where you can control your thoughts and feelings at will.

Despite what the RHP tells you about the self beyond the conscious ego, it's not all "love and light". There are no concepts or morality at this level and because it's usually the destructive and "immoral" things which we are forced to block, it's usually these which come out with Pluto, which makes Pluto same more destructive than what it really is.
It makes no difference if you think child molestation is evil, or wanting to collect teddy bears is unmanly and makes you a wussie, or not wanting to work makes you a lazy bum, if any urges like that are in your unconscious Pluto will bring them out for better or worse.
And nobodies opinion on these things matter to your unconscious mind, not even your own. I'm not saying it is any of those things, just making an example.

~--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "gonzalezedlyn" <gonzalezedlyn@ wrote:

Does anybody know how to strengthen pluto in ones chart?
 
I'm honestly very wary right now because HP Maxine said in her post that the energy of Pluto is very permanent and is stronger than that of saturn and is not to be messed with. 
Well, my sun is in scorpio, my mercury and venus are in scorpio, my jupiter is in scorpio, and my pluto is in scorpio. And of course, scorpio is ruled by the planet pluto. So since Pluto rules scorpio (or is pluto ruled by scorpio???), that means all these other planets are coming into contact with a very permanent powerful pluto. 
Is this something to be concerned about for those of us that have stelliums in scorpio? :(
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Raven Lythrum I have all the same planets in Scorpio as you conjunct Pluto.
I have posted twice in this group about Pluto, please read. See if you can relate to anything. How do you feel about your astrology chart in general?

Hail Satan!


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Raven Lythrum <lilylavycrowley@... wrote:

I'm honestly very wary right now because HP Maxine said in her post that the energy of Pluto is very permanent and is stronger than that of saturn and is not to be messed with. 

Well, my sun is in scorpio, my mercury and venus are in scorpio, my jupiter is in scorpio, and my pluto is in scorpio. And of course, scorpio is ruled by the planet pluto. So since Pluto rules scorpio (or is pluto ruled by scorpio???), that means all these other planets are coming into contact with a very permanent powerful pluto. 

Is this something to be concerned about for those of us that have stelliums in scorpio? :(

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Knowledge is power.

"I am ever present to help all who trust in me and call upon me in time of need."~Father Satan; The Al-jilwah

In Nomine Dei Nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi!* Let the name of Satan be exaulted!*
Hail Belial!* Heil Hitler!* Sieg Heil!* Ave Satanas!* Rege Satanas!* Heil, mein fuhrer!* Hail Satan!*

www.joyofsatan.org
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It has been said that people with stelliums in Scorpio have been deveoping their soul in past lives, and have already been into occult/magick.
I can say by experience that Pluto people like you are able to transform people who are in contact with them, through psychological deep experience.
Pluto/Scorpio people can transform what they "touch" and this is a gift of this age (many people born with Pluto in Scorpio in the last years).

If you have a Plutonian partner your potential for tranforming the human unconscious mind is higher.

Pluto is also the "shadow", or the psychological aspects we want to hide and not show to others. It's the part of you fighting against your enemies while you dont' event argument to them. Plutonian people are like unexploded bombs: it's not wise to tease them, and if their souls are open the effects are devastating.
You could be a powerful warrior of Satan and you even don't know (yet) it as you could have destroyed target people simply by hating them.
It is my opinion that a big part of the spiritual war is played on the fields of Pluto.

HAIL SATANA!!!


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Raven Lythrum <lilylavycrowley@... wrote:

I'm honestly very wary right now because HP Maxine said in her post that the energy of Pluto is very permanent and is stronger than that of saturn and is not to be messed with. 

Well, my sun is in scorpio, my mercury and venus are in scorpio, my jupiter is in scorpio, and my pluto is in scorpio. And of course, scorpio is ruled by the planet pluto. So since Pluto rules scorpio (or is pluto ruled by scorpio???), that means all these other planets are coming into contact with a very permanent powerful pluto. 

Is this something to be concerned about for those of us that have stelliums in scorpio? :(

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Knowledge is power.

"I am ever present to help all who trust in me and call upon me in time of need."~Father Satan; The Al-jilwah

In Nomine Dei Nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi!* Let the name of Satan be exaulted!*
Hail Belial!* Heil Hitler!* Sieg Heil!* Ave Satanas!* Rege Satanas!* Heil, mein fuhrer!* Hail Satan!*

www.joyofsatan.org
www.exposingchristianity.com
 
I've invoked it's energy. I got NO negative effects from it (as far as I know). But it really transforms oneself you know, I'd wake up like, "That was a workout". This might be because it's in a rather prominent place in my chart at the moment.

For me it's colour is mainly black, with white specks in it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Raven Lythrum <lilylavycrowley@... wrote:

I'm honestly very wary right now because HP Maxine said in her post that the energy of Pluto is very permanent and is stronger than that of saturn and is not to be messed with. 

Well, my sun is in scorpio, my mercury and venus are in scorpio, my jupiter is in scorpio, and my pluto is in scorpio. And of course, scorpio is ruled by the planet pluto. So since Pluto rules scorpio (or is pluto ruled by scorpio???), that means all these other planets are coming into contact with a very permanent powerful pluto. 

Is this something to be concerned about for those of us that have stelliums in scorpio? :(

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Knowledge is power.

"I am ever present to help all who trust in me and call upon me in time of need."~Father Satan; The Al-jilwah

In Nomine Dei Nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi!* Let the name of Satan be exaulted!*
Hail Belial!* Heil Hitler!* Sieg Heil!* Ave Satanas!* Rege Satanas!* Heil, mein fuhrer!* Hail Satan!*

www.joyofsatan.org
www.exposingchristianity.com
 
As of last year, and in fact, for the next 4 years or so, Pluto has, is and will be aspecting my Natal Moon.

Now, the effects of this aspect have been very transformative, for example, as the Moon rules the family unit, my family life has been greatly changed and transformed. My sister has gone to study in another country, and my father also moved to another country to work, though he comes back regularly for visits. Soon, as well, my mother is due to work, so basically, there is going to be no one living at home par me and my brothers.

Pluto is aspecting my Fifth House Moon from the Fifth House of children (indicating a new baby), my baby cousin was born.

So now, the question. Cancer (ruler of Moon) is in my 12th House of psychic ability/powers of the mind. My psychic powers and mind powers have greatly increased, in that I have became more and more spiritually open. I can understand messages from the Gods and such and also, I can sense a person's energy, what they are about and how xian/pisslim they are by just a look on their face. I have been told that this is a very good opportunity to permanently open myself up to the astral, in that I can openly hear and see other entities on the astral. So far, my Guardian only mentioned the Moon Square to me. Anyone else have any other methods that are powerful opening up the Soul that worked with them?

Another question, when I looked at my Solar Return charts for the next 5-6 years, I saw Pluto in different positions every time, and at one stage, I even saw Pluto in the Ascendant/1st House. I thought Pluto is the slowest moving Planet and it should stay in one House/position for a long time??


Thanks in Advance.



HAIL SATAN!!!
HAIL AZAZEL!!!
HAIL ENLIL!!!
HEIL HITLER!
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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