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New to SS with a few doubts before Dedication

Origami Bugado

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Hi all,
I study phylosophy, occultism, history and some other stuff, and I found out that SS is very suitable for me. I intensely read the JoS website and groups, and also have done some power meditations, but I still have some doubts before taking this big step (the Dedication).
1- I would like to have information about hell. Whats its purpoise, how is this place and where is it, and if some gods or demons live there in physical form.  
2- "...there is no god but myself...". This quote from Satan says he is the only god, but arent there others? Does SS aknowledge the existance of entities like Odin and Apollo?
3- There are really no rules for black magick, love spells and so on? If I have this knowledge I can just fuck the life of everyone I want and there is nothing like Karma, or a cosmic justice, that will make me pay for this at all? There are not even bad side effects?
I tried to post this 2 times early but couldnt...Sorry for the amount of silly questions, but I'm curious and must know everything I can before doing the Dedication.
Thank you!
 
1. If by "hell", you mean "where the demons live"... they live on Duat in the Orion system. The star their planet orbits is Betelgeuse, which is the northwest star of the constellation. The gods live there in physical form, and souls also go there after their physical bodies die.


2. I'm not sure why it says that. I've honestly never liked the quote, and I don't see why it's on the front page of all places. Hopefully somebody else can explain it.

3. While there is NOT a mystical force like karma, you do get backlash if you do nor protect yourself and clean your energies after a black magick working.

--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:

Hi all,
I study phylosophy, occultism, history and some other stuff, and I found out that SS is very suitable for me. I intensely read the JoS website and groups, and also have done some power meditations, but I still have some doubts before taking this big step (the Dedication).
1- I would like to have information about hell. Whats its purpoise, how is this place and where is it, and if some gods or demons live there in physical form.  
2- "...there is no god but myself...". This quote from Satan says he is the only god, but arent there others? Does SS aknowledge the existance of entities like Odin and Apollo?
3- There are really no rules for black magick, love spells and so on? If I have this knowledge I can just fuck the life of everyone I want and there is nothing like Karma, or a cosmic justice, that will make me pay for this at all? There are not even bad side effects?
I tried to post this 2 times early but couldnt...Sorry for the amount of silly questions, but I'm curious and must know everything I can before doing the Dedication.
Thank you!
 
1. As it's been said Duat a.k.a. "Hell" is a planet in Orion's belt where the Daemons/Gods live.

2. That quote refers to the biblical gods not the Pagan ones. Truth is Odin is an Alias of Satan and Apollo is Azazel.

3. Of course there isn't. We're realistic. There's no cosmic karma spook which keeps tabs on who does bad things and who doesn't. Even is such thing existed, it would be easily avoided, as everybody knows you can protect yourself from negative energy, including negative energy that backfires to you. Many texts about universal laws state that you can use other laws to overcome the effect of a certain law. It's not really written in the stars that this law will certainly happen the exact way most people think it will happen. Take for example the law of gravity. Yes, it brings things down, but you can create a plane to defy it.

Contrary to the RHP religions, we are the deliverers of justice. If we see a pedophile for example, we curse him instead of waiting for a cosmic spook to do that. There's however a rule of no in-fighting among Satanists. Satan does reconcile SS's who have problems with eachothers and punishes those who harm fellow SS's.

Normally if everybody was on the same spiritual level, there would be no problem with cursing random people, as all would be aware and more cautious since they knew they wouldn't get a free pass. It only happens now that most people are ignorant of their occult powers, blame the enemy religions for that.

Then there's the fact that you'll just be wasting your time and your happiness if you go around and fuck the life of everyone around you. Why do that anyway when you could do more productive things like transforming your soul?? Truth is, the only reason one can find for harming random people is because he's sick of others imposing their rules on what to do with their magick. If everything is kept free, people will choose to react sensibly as they won't desire to rebel against something that doesnt exist. Truth is that morals are innate, inside us and not imposed from outside sources, it's just that most people have been suppressed and acting up their suppressed insticts in unhealthy ways.

There aren't any side effects at all if you use it carefully. For example, you know you're dealing with negative energy in black magick. Of course you'll need to clean your aura afterwards, or in some cases you'll also need to vibrate a white magick mantra in yourself to reverse the effects of the negative energy. You must also learn to evaluate your opponent. If your opponent is spiritually stronger than you your curse will backfire, unless you find some way to weaken him like doing it when he's asleep or having a Saturn Transit. Then your spell may backfire if you have strong guilt, and if you invoke the negative energy instead of evoking it. These are logical reasons why your spell may backfire.


--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:

Hi all,
I study phylosophy, occultism, history and some other stuff, and I found out that SS is very suitable for me. I intensely read the JoS website and groups, and also have done some power meditations, but I still have some doubts before taking this big step (the Dedication).
1- I would like to have information about hell. Whats its purpoise, how is this place and where is it, and if some gods or demons live there in physical form.  
2- "...there is no god but myself...". This quote from Satan says he is the only god, but arent there others? Does SS aknowledge the existance of entities like Odin and Apollo?
3- There are really no rules for black magick, love spells and so on? If I have this knowledge I can just fuck the life of everyone I want and there is nothing like Karma, or a cosmic justice, that will make me pay for this at all? There are not even bad side effects?
I tried to post this 2 times early but couldnt...Sorry for the amount of silly questions, but I'm curious and must know everything I can before doing the Dedication.
Thank you!
 
As about love spells, the same principle applies: strong willed and spiritually stronger people can identify and resist this when some other person uses a love working to attract them. There's a misconception about love spells though, contrary to what most people think, love spells are no more manipulative than normal seduction. What you do in a love spell is influence that person's mind so he can make a more positive picture than you. This is something he/she does on his own and continues doing it out of his free will, he isn't really like a robot who has no will of his own. The love spell doesn't really take his free will away. Like I said, the effect is exactly the same of a normal seduction, yes, you CAN screw it up if you behave like an asshole or if you are too shy to talk to that other person. There was a friend of mine who complained about how love spells don't work e.t.c. When I questioned him I found that the spell did really work, she was attracted to him, but he ruined everything by being an asshole.
The seeming injustice in all these magickal workings like I said is because most people are really weak and don't know anything about them. It's much like we have latest technology weapons and the others are only equipped with spears and stones. Of course with these weapons can easily waste the others with no harmful effect coming back to you whatsoever. If they knew about magick and were spiritually strong, you would be more cautious before doing that as you know the other person might react negatively.


--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:

1. As it's been said Duat a.k.a. "Hell" is a planet in Orion's belt where the Daemons/Gods live.

2. That quote refers to the biblical gods not the Pagan ones. Truth is Odin is an Alias of Satan and Apollo is Azazel.

3. Of course there isn't. We're realistic. There's no cosmic karma spook which keeps tabs on who does bad things and who doesn't. Even is such thing existed, it would be easily avoided, as everybody knows you can protect yourself from negative energy, including negative energy that backfires to you. Many texts about universal laws state that you can use other laws to overcome the effect of a certain law. It's not really written in the stars that this law will certainly happen the exact way most people think it will happen. Take for example the law of gravity. Yes, it brings things down, but you can create a plane to defy it.

Contrary to the RHP religions, we are the deliverers of justice. If we see a pedophile for example, we curse him instead of waiting for a cosmic spook to do that. There's however a rule of no in-fighting among Satanists. Satan does reconcile SS's who have problems with eachothers and punishes those who harm fellow SS's.

Normally if everybody was on the same spiritual level, there would be no problem with cursing random people, as all would be aware and more cautious since they knew they wouldn't get a free pass. It only happens now that most people are ignorant of their occult powers, blame the enemy religions for that.

Then there's the fact that you'll just be wasting your time and your happiness if you go around and fuck the life of everyone around you. Why do that anyway when you could do more productive things like transforming your soul?? Truth is, the only reason one can find for harming random people is because he's sick of others imposing their rules on what to do with their magick. If everything is kept free, people will choose to react sensibly as they won't desire to rebel against something that doesnt exist. Truth is that morals are innate, inside us and not imposed from outside sources, it's just that most people have been suppressed and acting up their suppressed insticts in unhealthy ways.

There aren't any side effects at all if you use it carefully. For example, you know you're dealing with negative energy in black magick. Of course you'll need to clean your aura afterwards, or in some cases you'll also need to vibrate a white magick mantra in yourself to reverse the effects of the negative energy. You must also learn to evaluate your opponent. If your opponent is spiritually stronger than you your curse will backfire, unless you find some way to weaken him like doing it when he's asleep or having a Saturn Transit. Then your spell may backfire if you have strong guilt, and if you invoke the negative energy instead of evoking it. These are logical reasons why your spell may backfire.

--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:

Hi all,
I study phylosophy, occultism, history and some other stuff, and I found out that SS is very suitable for me. I intensely read the JoS website and groups, and also have done some power meditations, but I still have some doubts before taking this big step (the Dedication).
1- I would like to have information about hell. Whats its purpoise, how is this place and where is it, and if some gods or demons live there in physical form.  
2- "...there is no god but myself...". This quote from Satan says he is the only god, but arent there others? Does SS aknowledge the existance of entities like Odin and Apollo?
3- There are really no rules for black magick, love spells and so on? If I have this knowledge I can just fuck the life of everyone I want and there is nothing like Karma, or a cosmic justice, that will make me pay for this at all? There are not even bad side effects?
I tried to post this 2 times early but couldnt...Sorry for the amount of silly questions, but I'm curious and must know everything I can before doing the Dedication.
Thank you!
 
Everything is much more clear now. Thank you a lor solarsonia666 and the_fire_starter666!
I understand better the Hell, and by this I can conclude that pagan gods and the gods in SS are the same (or at least mostly).
So this "karma" stuff does not exist. I was already thinking about it. Humans are suposed to develop themselves, so if a guy worked on himself to get better and decide to attack a random weak person, there is not a revenge law, because to be just the weak person should have worked on himself too to be able to at least defend himself because both are humans and both have oportunity to be better.
I asked these questions about atacking random people with black magick and using love spell only to understand SS and because of my curiosity and need to clear my doubts. I prefer to get closer to positive things and I will never attack someone with SS knowledge just because.
Thank you again for the clarifying answers. I'm reading a lot in this group and in JoS website, and I also meditate for some time and I'm getting good results. I got on my girlfriend the inspiration to start working on myself, and here the inspiration to continue!

--- In [email protected], <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:

As about love spells, the same principle applies: strong willed and spiritually stronger people can identify and resist this when some other person uses a love working to attract them. There's a misconception about love spells though, contrary to what most people think, love spells are no more manipulative than normal seduction. What you do in a love spell is influence that person's mind so he can make a more positive picture than you. This is something he/she does on his own and continues doing it out of his free will, he isn't really like a robot who has no will of his own. The love spell doesn't really take his free will away. Like I said, the effect is exactly the same of a normal seduction, yes, you CAN screw it up if you behave like an asshole or if you are too shy to talk to that other person. There was a friend of mine who complained about how love spells don't work e.t.c. When I questioned him I found that the spell did really work, she was attracted to him, but he ruined everything by being an asshole.
The seeming injustice in all these magickal workings like I said is because most people are really weak and don't know anything about them. It's much like we have latest technology weapons and the others are only equipped with spears and stones. Of course with these weapons can easily waste the others with no harmful effect coming back to you whatsoever. If they knew about magick and were spiritually strong, you would be more cautious before doing that as you know the other person might react negatively.


--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:

1. As it's been said Duat a.k.a. "Hell" is a planet in Orion's belt where the Daemons/Gods live.

2. That quote refers to the biblical gods not the Pagan ones. Truth is Odin is an Alias of Satan and Apollo is Azazel.

3. Of course there isn't. We're realistic. There's no cosmic karma spook which keeps tabs on who does bad things and who doesn't. Even is such thing existed, it would be easily avoided, as everybody knows you can protect yourself from negative energy, including negative energy that backfires to you. Many texts about universal laws state that you can use other laws to overcome the effect of a certain law. It's not really written in the stars that this law will certainly happen the exact way most people think it will happen. Take for example the law of gravity. Yes, it brings things down, but you can create a plane to defy it.

Contrary to the RHP religions, we are the deliverers of justice. If we see a pedophile for example, we curse him instead of waiting for a cosmic spook to do that. There's however a rule of no in-fighting among Satanists. Satan does reconcile SS's who have problems with eachothers and punishes those who harm fellow SS's.

Normally if everybody was on the same spiritual level, there would be no problem with cursing random people, as all would be aware and more cautious since they knew they wouldn't get a free pass. It only happens now that most people are ignorant of their occult powers, blame the enemy religions for that.

Then there's the fact that you'll just be wasting your time and your happiness if you go around and fuck the life of everyone around you. Why do that anyway when you could do more productive things like transforming your soul?? Truth is, the only reason one can find for harming random people is because he's sick of others imposing their rules on what to do with their magick. If everything is kept free, people will choose to react sensibly as they won't desire to rebel against something that doesnt exist. Truth is that morals are innate, inside us and not imposed from outside sources, it's just that most people have been suppressed and acting up their suppressed insticts in unhealthy ways.

There aren't any side effects at all if you use it carefully. For example, you know you're dealing with negative energy in black magick. Of course you'll need to clean your aura afterwards, or in some cases you'll also need to vibrate a white magick mantra in yourself to reverse the effects of the negative energy. You must also learn to evaluate your opponent. If your opponent is spiritually stronger than you your curse will backfire, unless you find some way to weaken him like doing it when he's asleep or having a Saturn Transit. Then your spell may backfire if you have strong guilt, and if you invoke the negative energy instead of evoking it. These are logical reasons why your spell may backfire.

--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:

Hi all,
I study phylosophy, occultism, history and some other stuff, and I found out that SS is very suitable for me. I intensely read the JoS website and groups, and also have done some power meditations, but I still have some doubts before taking this big step (the Dedication).
1- I would like to have information about hell. Whats its purpoise, how is this place and where is it, and if some gods or demons live there in physical form.  
2- "...there is no god but myself...". This quote from Satan says he is the only god, but arent there others? Does SS aknowledge the existance of entities like Odin and Apollo?
3- There are really no rules for black magick, love spells and so on? If I have this knowledge I can just fuck the life of everyone I want and there is nothing like Karma, or a cosmic justice, that will make me pay for this at all? There are not even bad side effects?
I tried to post this 2 times early but couldnt...Sorry for the amount of silly questions, but I'm curious and must know everything I can before doing the Dedication.
Thank you!
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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