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Hello JoS
There are 2 things id like to talk about: one is to introduce myself, since i joined this group lately.
The other is to tell about the tragedy of how my father became a real xian ass.
I basically grew up in freedom of what to believe in or not, since me as well as my parents where merely 'born' xians. So family internally i where not forced to do anything related to it neither did my parents practice this religion, whit the exception of xmas/easter stuff [ which always is a good thing while being a child
]
I say born, since none of us where xians because they decided for it.
Rather one becomes xian on default and the flavor [ i.e protestant or catholic ] is mainly based on the region you live in and/or whatever your parents are.
In other words, i became an catholic xian out of tradition not believing in anything of it, one gets baptized shortly after birth [ when you definitely cant argue against it ], than later you are getting automatically singed up to do 'First Communion' together with all of your classmates from school, not going there never was an option. Already at that time, for me xianity was bullshit. The debates between me and our religion teacher where legendary. I think i dont need to mention that ive lost against his stubbornness every time, trying to beat his believings with logic. And guess what, he gave me bad grades just for honestly arguing with him, i never ever insulted him personally. While everyone else got best grades - for doing nothing! there where no tests at all!! basically just listen to the bullshit and its done! Disgusting how having brains instead of being another mindless religions robot was punished here.
Of course i also happen to observe how some friends of mine got a hard live with their hardcore xian parents. Not amusing to watch at all and i was so lucky that i dont have such troubles at home.
Besides that i was left in peace, being able to make my own hateful image about that cruel club of liars called xians, i.e adding historic events to my bad opinion, like the inquisition burning people just because they having different believes, doing everything to stop what could someday prove them wrong [i.e. science].
Even desperately doing it nowadays.
As a nice anecdote here... i am surely not the only one who got a big smile on his face when the people from Vatican got rabid about Harry Potter, saying that it poisons the mind of the childs, making them believe more into witchcraft than god. I found that to be hilarious, in fact it was the reason i got interested in Potter, just to find out whats so special about it, in compare to all the other books/films having that topic.
The Vatican takes in billions, but what does it do with all that money? Do they help suffering people with it? Yea a bit here and there to support their credibility, but most of it is used for more funny activities, like heavily gambling with it at the stock exchange like no other. I know this cause my father happen to know the responsible broker at the stock exchange - he told us a lot of stuff about that, like how they are the most annoying people he has to deal with.
Of course i could go on with more and more examples why i find xianity repulsive...
Back to how i grew up and about my Father:
After my parents divorce me and my sister stayed with our mother. When i was 15 i decided to leave my mother [the reason is another sad story, which however has nothing to do with religion] and go to my father.
Since than I not only lived over a decade together with him, but also worked together in the same company. Consequently our relation was very close for a long time. We also agree on a lot of stuff, like certain political topics.
Then suddenly from one day to another he decided to be an xian!
And this at a time where most where talking about quitting xianity [or at least change from catholic to a different flavor], because of all the sexual crimes against orphans who came out lately.
It all begun when one of his friends took him to a certain church that he visits weekly. It didnt stay at a single visit, my father decided after the first visit to also do it weekly from now on.
I found it to be unusual but i thought he simply seeks to do more stuff together with his friend. First i also believed its a joke when he started talking to me about how much he believes in jesus.
Oh man... quickly i recognized how terrible wrong i was about that.
Realize how i had to observe how a man driven by logic and reason having an exceptional analytical mind, degrades into a mindless sheep. Some one who had rejected xianity his whole life, now not simply believes in jesus but even believes bullshit of the highest order you can find around xianity.
In the past we had debates about a lot of stuff and compared to me he is very skilled in debating, but at times i was right i usually won anyways, because he saw his error in the end.
For instance in business, we where debating about the best solution, sometimes we both where really stubborn about our own solution, however at the end always the best solution survived, the odds which one would win where about equal.
However debating about his sudden belief into jesus was senseless, like talking to a wall.
What pissed me off a lot [especially if other people are around who know us] was that he heavily talks about it in public [i.e. while eating in a restaurant].
Besides pissing me off, he didnt get positive feedback from the other ones around him either. But of course he didnt hear to my warnings that sooner than later no one would take him seriously anymore and that they are pissed off him trying to convince them and that they are forced to hearing that shit all the time.
Just a few examples:
- how he loves jesus and how jesus loves him
- how he made a contract with jesus [like with the devil] and he would get anything from him he asks for as long as he does the same
- about young earth theories
- how he considers muslims as weapon brothers, and that they and all xian churchs should unite into a single one to better accomplish their common goal [what ever that may be he never mentioned]
- he insists that the bible is in no way self-contradictory and comes from a single mind [the one of god]
- that everything written in the bible is historically correct and happened exactly as it is written.
- if someone would have altered/falsified the context of bible, god would have intervened to correct it and punish the one who did it a long time ago. Thus the Bible is still intact, as god wants it to be.
- that lots of events predicted by the bible have already happened and thus the odds are nearly impossible that they are written without the help of gods knowledge about the future.
Of course i still loved my father anyway, its just that he has embarked on a path on which i can not follow him and didnt saw any chance to change his mind. So im gone to a different company as well as another apartment this year. Im seeing him about once a month now. My heart bleeds and wants to see him more, however my mind and soul cant endure what comes out of his mouth any longer, thus wanting to see him even less.
I wonder whats responsible for this heavy and sudden change of view?
I can imagine aging, like degrading mental abilities that usually come with it, however while he might not be as fast as in his younger years it certainly has nothing to do with it since other areas are not affected.
Maybe its something like knowing that the day of death is certainly closer than the day of birth and as a person who never cared about religion now gets last minute panic, trying to book himself a preferable afterlife!?
I just hope that this fanatic jesus trip he is on will end someday, otherwise ill have to keep the contact to a minimum.
After all it might have caused something good, which is that i stumbled over the JoS website, while searching for some counter-arguments for my father.
When it comes to religion i always had my own mind. In fact its my opinion that all religious books should have a waring printed on the first page, right after the cover and before the table of contents, that says: WARNING! This book has no brain, use your own!
While not being an atheist i simply didnt agree with any of the popular religions and their so called holy books. So i was having an open ear to everything that comes along, trying to find something that is at least in accordance with the majority of my own mind.
And it seems ive found it right now. Because i simply happen to agree with most of the things ive read on the JoS website so far, in fact some stuff could have been printed directly out of my mind.
One idea that was totally new to me is that Satan isnt a logical byproduct of xianity, who has been simply invented as the bad guy leader that opposes the good one.
Consequently if in the past someone would have told me that im gonna be a satanist someday i would called him stupid, since if i already reject a religion im certainly not believing in one of its byproducts.
Currently i guess slandering an existing god was more effective then inventing a new one as the bad guy.
On the other hand there are doubts... like: is it to good to be true?
Currently it feels like one of those pup-up advertisings who claim: 'You have won in the lottery...' usually money/car/iphone or something and you think like: oh yea, how many idiots click on this crap.
Is there really a small group seeking for the truth, some who try to look thru the web of lies xians and alike have spun thousands of years? Or is it just another ripoff?
Compare my situation to poker where you will get cards and decide to opt out or to continue until you are at the state that you wanna see. Instead of cards in religion there is text/speech, and i have to decide to continue to read/listen and usually i did opt out very early.
JoS is special in that its the first one i came up to the 'i wanna see' situation.
So after reading a lot i decided to join this yahoo group as a next step. Furthermore ive begun the Spiritual Warfare Training Program.
Well if you came that far with reading this let me say that i simply felt sharing my situation more detailed would be more interesting to hear and honest to you than just saying something like...Hi all, im new, count me in. You can be sure that this decision hasnt been made lightly.
Also posting about my father perfectly fitted into the intro of myself, because of the shared no-religious background in the family.
Consequently it got a little long ^^ So thanx for your attention, reading all that text.
Greetings,
in hope that my last doubts will fade away over time,
HisShadow
There are 2 things id like to talk about: one is to introduce myself, since i joined this group lately.
The other is to tell about the tragedy of how my father became a real xian ass.
I basically grew up in freedom of what to believe in or not, since me as well as my parents where merely 'born' xians. So family internally i where not forced to do anything related to it neither did my parents practice this religion, whit the exception of xmas/easter stuff [ which always is a good thing while being a child
]I say born, since none of us where xians because they decided for it.
Rather one becomes xian on default and the flavor [ i.e protestant or catholic ] is mainly based on the region you live in and/or whatever your parents are.
In other words, i became an catholic xian out of tradition not believing in anything of it, one gets baptized shortly after birth [ when you definitely cant argue against it ], than later you are getting automatically singed up to do 'First Communion' together with all of your classmates from school, not going there never was an option. Already at that time, for me xianity was bullshit. The debates between me and our religion teacher where legendary. I think i dont need to mention that ive lost against his stubbornness every time, trying to beat his believings with logic. And guess what, he gave me bad grades just for honestly arguing with him, i never ever insulted him personally. While everyone else got best grades - for doing nothing! there where no tests at all!! basically just listen to the bullshit and its done! Disgusting how having brains instead of being another mindless religions robot was punished here.
Of course i also happen to observe how some friends of mine got a hard live with their hardcore xian parents. Not amusing to watch at all and i was so lucky that i dont have such troubles at home.
Besides that i was left in peace, being able to make my own hateful image about that cruel club of liars called xians, i.e adding historic events to my bad opinion, like the inquisition burning people just because they having different believes, doing everything to stop what could someday prove them wrong [i.e. science].
Even desperately doing it nowadays.
As a nice anecdote here... i am surely not the only one who got a big smile on his face when the people from Vatican got rabid about Harry Potter, saying that it poisons the mind of the childs, making them believe more into witchcraft than god. I found that to be hilarious, in fact it was the reason i got interested in Potter, just to find out whats so special about it, in compare to all the other books/films having that topic.
The Vatican takes in billions, but what does it do with all that money? Do they help suffering people with it? Yea a bit here and there to support their credibility, but most of it is used for more funny activities, like heavily gambling with it at the stock exchange like no other. I know this cause my father happen to know the responsible broker at the stock exchange - he told us a lot of stuff about that, like how they are the most annoying people he has to deal with.
Of course i could go on with more and more examples why i find xianity repulsive...
Back to how i grew up and about my Father:
After my parents divorce me and my sister stayed with our mother. When i was 15 i decided to leave my mother [the reason is another sad story, which however has nothing to do with religion] and go to my father.
Since than I not only lived over a decade together with him, but also worked together in the same company. Consequently our relation was very close for a long time. We also agree on a lot of stuff, like certain political topics.
Then suddenly from one day to another he decided to be an xian!
And this at a time where most where talking about quitting xianity [or at least change from catholic to a different flavor], because of all the sexual crimes against orphans who came out lately.
It all begun when one of his friends took him to a certain church that he visits weekly. It didnt stay at a single visit, my father decided after the first visit to also do it weekly from now on.
I found it to be unusual but i thought he simply seeks to do more stuff together with his friend. First i also believed its a joke when he started talking to me about how much he believes in jesus.
Oh man... quickly i recognized how terrible wrong i was about that.
Realize how i had to observe how a man driven by logic and reason having an exceptional analytical mind, degrades into a mindless sheep. Some one who had rejected xianity his whole life, now not simply believes in jesus but even believes bullshit of the highest order you can find around xianity.
In the past we had debates about a lot of stuff and compared to me he is very skilled in debating, but at times i was right i usually won anyways, because he saw his error in the end.
For instance in business, we where debating about the best solution, sometimes we both where really stubborn about our own solution, however at the end always the best solution survived, the odds which one would win where about equal.
However debating about his sudden belief into jesus was senseless, like talking to a wall.
What pissed me off a lot [especially if other people are around who know us] was that he heavily talks about it in public [i.e. while eating in a restaurant].
Besides pissing me off, he didnt get positive feedback from the other ones around him either. But of course he didnt hear to my warnings that sooner than later no one would take him seriously anymore and that they are pissed off him trying to convince them and that they are forced to hearing that shit all the time.
Just a few examples:
- how he loves jesus and how jesus loves him
- how he made a contract with jesus [like with the devil] and he would get anything from him he asks for as long as he does the same
- about young earth theories
- how he considers muslims as weapon brothers, and that they and all xian churchs should unite into a single one to better accomplish their common goal [what ever that may be he never mentioned]
- he insists that the bible is in no way self-contradictory and comes from a single mind [the one of god]
- that everything written in the bible is historically correct and happened exactly as it is written.
- if someone would have altered/falsified the context of bible, god would have intervened to correct it and punish the one who did it a long time ago. Thus the Bible is still intact, as god wants it to be.
- that lots of events predicted by the bible have already happened and thus the odds are nearly impossible that they are written without the help of gods knowledge about the future.
Of course i still loved my father anyway, its just that he has embarked on a path on which i can not follow him and didnt saw any chance to change his mind. So im gone to a different company as well as another apartment this year. Im seeing him about once a month now. My heart bleeds and wants to see him more, however my mind and soul cant endure what comes out of his mouth any longer, thus wanting to see him even less.
I wonder whats responsible for this heavy and sudden change of view?
I can imagine aging, like degrading mental abilities that usually come with it, however while he might not be as fast as in his younger years it certainly has nothing to do with it since other areas are not affected.
Maybe its something like knowing that the day of death is certainly closer than the day of birth and as a person who never cared about religion now gets last minute panic, trying to book himself a preferable afterlife!?
I just hope that this fanatic jesus trip he is on will end someday, otherwise ill have to keep the contact to a minimum.
After all it might have caused something good, which is that i stumbled over the JoS website, while searching for some counter-arguments for my father.
When it comes to religion i always had my own mind. In fact its my opinion that all religious books should have a waring printed on the first page, right after the cover and before the table of contents, that says: WARNING! This book has no brain, use your own!
While not being an atheist i simply didnt agree with any of the popular religions and their so called holy books. So i was having an open ear to everything that comes along, trying to find something that is at least in accordance with the majority of my own mind.
And it seems ive found it right now. Because i simply happen to agree with most of the things ive read on the JoS website so far, in fact some stuff could have been printed directly out of my mind.
One idea that was totally new to me is that Satan isnt a logical byproduct of xianity, who has been simply invented as the bad guy leader that opposes the good one.
Consequently if in the past someone would have told me that im gonna be a satanist someday i would called him stupid, since if i already reject a religion im certainly not believing in one of its byproducts.
Currently i guess slandering an existing god was more effective then inventing a new one as the bad guy.
On the other hand there are doubts... like: is it to good to be true?
Currently it feels like one of those pup-up advertisings who claim: 'You have won in the lottery...' usually money/car/iphone or something and you think like: oh yea, how many idiots click on this crap.
Is there really a small group seeking for the truth, some who try to look thru the web of lies xians and alike have spun thousands of years? Or is it just another ripoff?
Compare my situation to poker where you will get cards and decide to opt out or to continue until you are at the state that you wanna see. Instead of cards in religion there is text/speech, and i have to decide to continue to read/listen and usually i did opt out very early.
JoS is special in that its the first one i came up to the 'i wanna see' situation.
So after reading a lot i decided to join this yahoo group as a next step. Furthermore ive begun the Spiritual Warfare Training Program.
Well if you came that far with reading this let me say that i simply felt sharing my situation more detailed would be more interesting to hear and honest to you than just saying something like...Hi all, im new, count me in. You can be sure that this decision hasnt been made lightly.
Also posting about my father perfectly fitted into the intro of myself, because of the shared no-religious background in the family.
Consequently it got a little long ^^ So thanx for your attention, reading all that text.
Greetings,
in hope that my last doubts will fade away over time,
HisShadow
