unfortunately have been trying to find the particular set of beliefs that I really believe in and just can't bring myself to believe that the bible is anything more than a dictatorial, rather male-chauvinistic publication designed long ago to establish and continue a pattern of like HP Dietrich says slavery, servitude and making people emotional cripples at the hand of "god." BUT-every time I find a new belief (and I really think this is the one, this time) and not to sound like because I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions," so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligences, from where all gods come from? Great and storied witch Sybil Leek says in one of her books, 'We believe that at the beginning of everything there was an original stream of energy which has manifested and is manifesting itself into everything.' (the complete art of witchcraft). I get the feeling that priests/priestesses/teachers of the craft are saying that creation didn't happen. It's happenING. What's your take on how everything got to be? Thanks.
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unfortunately have been trying to find the particular set of beliefs that I really believe in and just can't bring myself to believe that the bible is anything more than a dictatorial, rather male-chauvinistic publication designed long ago to establish and continue a pattern of like HP Dietrich says slavery, servitude and making people emotional cripples at the hand of "god." BUT-every time I find a new belief (and I really think this is the one, this time) and not to sound like because I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions," so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligences, from where all gods come from? Great and storied witch Sybil Leek says in one of her books, 'We believe that at the beginning of everything there was an original stream of energy which has manifested and is manifesting itself into everything.' (the complete art of witchcraft). I get the feeling that priests/priestesses/teachers of the craft are saying that creation didn't happen. It's happenING. What's your take on how everything got to be? Thanks.
kurenaii60
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Hey, you should know that true Satanists don't have any beliefs, but knowledge insted and go by what they learn from their research, experiences or communication with Gods. Perhaps the universe always existed, or started by some way or other universe. But sure, there was not a being that created and if you think about that, a sentient being creating it is stupid and illogical. It has to be created from something else too. The Gods are real physical beings, and evolved from other species like most animals on earth do.
Well, I for sure don't care how everything came to be. It doesn't matter anyway to speculate on this, nothing will change. But i certainly know that no sentient being or "god" created it. Its sure you're not gonna find an answer because Satan probably couldn't know too. And Satanism is not a belief but knowledge so this thing doesn't matter nor should it bother you. Sure you can "believe" anything about it but it will be speculation like everything else and Satanism is not about that, but pure knowledge instead.
Well, I for sure don't care how everything came to be. It doesn't matter anyway to speculate on this, nothing will change. But i certainly know that no sentient being or "god" created it. Its sure you're not gonna find an answer because Satan probably couldn't know too. And Satanism is not a belief but knowledge so this thing doesn't matter nor should it bother you. Sure you can "believe" anything about it but it will be speculation like everything else and Satanism is not about that, but pure knowledge instead.
Satanic_viking
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What Kurenaii said is true, we tend to just leave it be. We are here now and have a war to end.
But it is fun to think about the 'original stream of energy', that possible one consiouse thought set all existance into motion, the matrix bla bla bla.. its endless. I enjoy looking into quantm physics and the chaos theory.
Hail Satan!
But it is fun to think about the 'original stream of energy', that possible one consiouse thought set all existance into motion, the matrix bla bla bla.. its endless. I enjoy looking into quantm physics and the chaos theory.
Hail Satan!
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions," so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligences, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSatan666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions," so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligences, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSatan666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
well its always good to better yourself through meditation and trying to get to know your guardian or our father himself. im still working to better myself pyhsically and more spiritual i use to expect fast results but i learn its a hard process u cant rush lol but i have met my guardian he is very unique and crazy in a non offending way i have so many dreams im doing my best to learn what i can from them but the point is if u can make good relation with ur guardian they are the best source of information!!
HAIL SATAN!!!
HAIL SATAN!!!
For a good source on this read Zacheria Sitchins books on the ancient sumerian beginning of life, this is the closest to the truth in my opinion.
This is something that is different for everyone and that is one of the greatest things a person can experience the idea that they can create there own origin and purpose of being. Try not to just accept what you are told always take a second look you might be suprised what you find if you look a little harder.
This is true in all aspects of life and should be the way we all look at things, I choose to believe after looking at the science and the metaphysical ideas that the universe is linked by one unifying force or energy and this was the main driving force in the creation of everything, but I still havent realised why this force started to create everything. This is something that I will always be working towards and may never find out the answer, but if i come to know myself better and my purpose then i will be more than happy.
Sorry this wasnt a very definite answer its just one of those topics we must look inside ourselves for.
HAIL SATAN!!
"To the brave belong everything!!"
This is something that is different for everyone and that is one of the greatest things a person can experience the idea that they can create there own origin and purpose of being. Try not to just accept what you are told always take a second look you might be suprised what you find if you look a little harder.
This is true in all aspects of life and should be the way we all look at things, I choose to believe after looking at the science and the metaphysical ideas that the universe is linked by one unifying force or energy and this was the main driving force in the creation of everything, but I still havent realised why this force started to create everything. This is something that I will always be working towards and may never find out the answer, but if i come to know myself better and my purpose then i will be more than happy.
Sorry this wasnt a very definite answer its just one of those topics we must look inside ourselves for.
HAIL SATAN!!
"To the brave belong everything!!"
levity_awaits
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The beliefs that the majority of the people in this group have aren't new beliefs but have been around since the earth began and it even goes before that for those of us who have read The Lost Book of Enki or any of the other books related to it. I would think that we believe life came from the Creator of All who was Apsu. Then he made his wife Tiamat. A great war between them happens and Nibiru (The Annunaki's and Enki [Satan] and Enlil's [Beelzebub] home planet) ends up destroying her and her main satellite Kingu. By the way, these are actually the celestial gods (planets) with Apsu being the sun. She gets split into pieces that become part of the asteroid belt. The other bigger pieces become Earth and Kingu becomes our moon. Since Nibiru struck her, the cycle of life began on Nibiru. I'm not really sure when life began on Earth, because the Annunaki (Those Who From Heaven to Earth Came) landed here, there was already life.They came in search of gold to repair their dying atmosphere. Later on, Enki comes up with an idea to make the perfect primitive workers to do the toil in the mines so the they could rest. He is the main hand in the creation of man and ends up developing the civilized man. Enki saved his own son Ziusudra from the Flood as well as his kin and as many animals they could get and the eggs and cells of other species male and female. After the Flood (or Deluge) many wars and battles ensued. Eventually the humans overpopulated earth and the gods were bound. Recently they have all been freed and they have gained the light back that they'd been missing so much. Their auras are brilliantly shining when you see them, not like when they were bound and most of them no longer retain their former raspy voice. They live forever and are immortal as they have manipulated their genes to where they do not age and since they have all the magick in the universe at their fingertips they know how to use it to their will as it is their right. Now is the time for warfare. Spiritual warfare. Which is why we are all in this group. His and their gift to us was the ability to become like them and make things right in our lives and in this world. He gave us the knowledge. All of them did. They have been trying to get us to see the truth all along. They themselves have experienced how the past repeats itself, but never again will they be bound and used as someone else's tool for power. The Age of Fire or the Age of Satan will be upon us soon and he will reign again and everything will be set right in due time as we destroy our enemies and his in the meantime. Hope this was informative enough and helpful enough for you to be able to piece together things for yourself. The Lost Book of Enki will piece together what actually may have happened and what got so corrupted in the bible. It is by the author Zecharia Sitchin. I recommend looking it up somewhere if you're interested in learning more. May your path be an enlightened one.
Hail Satan!
Hail Satan!
kurenaii60
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Just to clarify something, those books are about the autobiography of Satan/Enki, how he created humanity and how the earth was created by the collision of two planets.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
--- In [email protected], "Krzysiek" <kgrzedziel@... wrote:
Dear Tom , if you want to read these books click on the link from my previous post and simply roll down , if you want to buy them , then i believe google will help youas i got no idea where to get those two.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cate
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
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From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
kurenaii60
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Ok, I'm guessing your answer, you're gonna say that the designer always existed or was something else that evolved into the designer.
But why can't we say the same about us and the universe?Sure, it either existed or evolved from something lesser and it makes a lot more sense than inventing a creator about it. If the clever "designer" can't have been designed from something else then what makes you think that the universe, planets and everything else can?
You say the intelligent designer had the idea and planned everything so it is a perfect example of something that can't be created by chance (according to your claims), no? If you say that chance can create even the most unbelievable things then that means that you agree with me that the universe and everything else COULD be created by chance.
Believe me, you won't believe how stupid your claim is once you meditate, open yourself to the astral or ask the Gods about that.
But why can't we say the same about us and the universe?Sure, it either existed or evolved from something lesser and it makes a lot more sense than inventing a creator about it. If the clever "designer" can't have been designed from something else then what makes you think that the universe, planets and everything else can?
You say the intelligent designer had the idea and planned everything so it is a perfect example of something that can't be created by chance (according to your claims), no? If you say that chance can create even the most unbelievable things then that means that you agree with me that the universe and everything else COULD be created by chance.
Believe me, you won't believe how stupid your claim is once you meditate, open yourself to the astral or ask the Gods about that.
--- In [email protected], "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@... wrote:
Just to clarify something, those books are about the autobiography of Satan/Enki, how he created humanity and how the earth was created by the collision of two planets.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
--- In [email protected], "Krzysiek" <kgrzedziel@ wrote:
Dear Tom , if you want to read these books click on the link from my previous post and simply roll down , if you want to buy them , then i believe google will help you
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cate
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
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From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
kurenaii60
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There are LOTS of things in earth and universe that are very complex but are created by natural processes. One example is snowflakes and crystals. You would say that they are intelligently designed, but they are not. They are created by natural processes totally watchable and explainable by physics laws. Here is how snowflakes come to be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow
See, just because something is too complex or ordered doesn't mean it is/was designed. So, the argument that all things have to be created by something because they are complex is totally non-sequitur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow
See, just because something is too complex or ordered doesn't mean it is/was designed. So, the argument that all things have to be created by something because they are complex is totally non-sequitur.
--- In [email protected], "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@... wrote:
Ok, I'm guessing your answer, you're gonna say that the designer always existed or was something else that evolved into the designer.
But why can't we say the same about us and the universe?Sure, it either existed or evolved from something lesser and it makes a lot more sense than inventing a creator about it. If the clever "designer" can't have been designed from something else then what makes you think that the universe, planets and everything else can?
You say the intelligent designer had the idea and planned everything so it is a perfect example of something that can't be created by chance (according to your claims), no? If you say that chance can create even the most unbelievable things then that means that you agree with me that the universe and everything else COULD be created by chance.
Believe me, you won't believe how stupid your claim is once you meditate, open yourself to the astral or ask the Gods about that.
--- In [email protected], "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Just to clarify something, those books are about the autobiography of Satan/Enki, how he created humanity and how the earth was created by the collision of two planets.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
--- In [email protected], "Krzysiek" <kgrzedziel@ wrote:
Dear Tom , if you want to read these books click on the link from my previous post and simply roll down , if you want to buy them , then i believe google will help you
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cate
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
kurenaii60
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Now about all those objects you said are "purposefully created" this is again debunked here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI120.html
I think everything about "intelligent design" is debunked, no need to say more.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI120.html
I think everything about "intelligent design" is debunked, no need to say more.
--- In [email protected], "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@... wrote:
There are LOTS of things in earth and universe that are very complex but are created by natural processes. One example is snowflakes and crystals. You would say that they are intelligently designed, but they are not. They are created by natural processes totally watchable and explainable by physics laws. Here is how snowflakes come to be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow
See, just because something is too complex or ordered doesn't mean it is/was designed. So, the argument that all things have to be created by something because they are complex is totally non-sequitur.
--- In [email protected], "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Ok, I'm guessing your answer, you're gonna say that the designer always existed or was something else that evolved into the designer.
But why can't we say the same about us and the universe?Sure, it either existed or evolved from something lesser and it makes a lot more sense than inventing a creator about it. If the clever "designer" can't have been designed from something else then what makes you think that the universe, planets and everything else can?
You say the intelligent designer had the idea and planned everything so it is a perfect example of something that can't be created by chance (according to your claims), no? If you say that chance can create even the most unbelievable things then that means that you agree with me that the universe and everything else COULD be created by chance.
Believe me, you won't believe how stupid your claim is once you meditate, open yourself to the astral or ask the Gods about that.
--- In [email protected], "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Just to clarify something, those books are about the autobiography of Satan/Enki, how he created humanity and how the earth was created by the collision of two planets.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
--- In [email protected], "Krzysiek" <kgrzedziel@ wrote:
Dear Tom , if you want to read these books click on the link from my previous post and simply roll down , if you want to buy them , then i believe google will help you
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cate
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
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From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
Right...another book I read was by Sybil Leek who says that she and others in her practice believed that at the beginning there was this "original stream of energy" that got more and more intelligent, then self-conscious, and then started expressing itself in matter, time and space. But I follow your logic. Thanks.
From: kurenaii60 <kurenaii60@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 3:50:15 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Now about all those objects you said are "purposefully created" this is again debunked here:
http://www.talkorig ins.org/indexcc/ CI/CI120. html
I think everything about "intelligent design" is debunked, no need to say more.
From: kurenaii60 <kurenaii60@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 3:50:15 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Now about all those objects you said are "purposefully created" this is again debunked here:
http://www.talkorig ins.org/indexcc/ CI/CI120. html
I think everything about "intelligent design" is debunked, no need to say more.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ ... wrote:
There are LOTS of things in earth and universe that are very complex but are created by natural processes. One example is snowflakes and crystals. You would say that they are intelligently designed, but they are not. They are created by natural processes totally watchable and explainable by physics laws. Here is how snowflakes come to be:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Snow
See, just because something is too complex or ordered doesn't mean it is/was designed. So, the argument that all things have to be created by something because they are complex is totally non-sequitur.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Ok, I'm guessing your answer, you're gonna say that the designer always existed or was something else that evolved into the designer.
But why can't we say the same about us and the universe?Sure, it either existed or evolved from something lesser and it makes a lot more sense than inventing a creator about it. If the clever "designer" can't have been designed from something else then what makes you think that the universe, planets and everything else can?
You say the intelligent designer had the idea and planned everything so it is a perfect example of something that can't be created by chance (according to your claims), no? If you say that chance can create even the most unbelievable things then that means that you agree with me that the universe and everything else COULD be created by chance.
Believe me, you won't believe how stupid your claim is once you meditate, open yourself to the astral or ask the Gods about that.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Just to clarify something, those books are about the autobiography of Satan/Enki, how he created humanity and how the earth was created by the collision of two planets.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "Krzysiek" <kgrzedziel@ wrote:
Dear Tom , if you want to read these books click on the link from my previous post and simply roll down , if you want to buy them , then i believe google will help you
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cate
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
Thank you! As a matter of fact <em>I thought</em> I heard/read something about that from HP Dietrich in the website (the original history). But what about time and space? But thanks again.
From: levity_awaits <levity_awaits@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 2:47:28 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
The beliefs that the majority of the people in this group have aren't new beliefs but have been around since the earth began and it even goes before that for those of us who have read The Lost Book of Enki or any of the other books related to it. I would think that we believe life came from the Creator of All who was Apsu. Then he made his wife Tiamat. A great war between them happens and Nibiru (The Annunaki's and Enki [Satan] and Enlil's [Beelzebub] home planet) ends up destroying her and her main satellite Kingu. By the way, these are actually the celestial gods (planets) with Apsu being the sun. She gets split into pieces that become part of the asteroid belt. The other bigger pieces become Earth and Kingu becomes our moon. Since Nibiru struck her, the cycle of life began on Nibiru. I'm not really sure when life began on Earth, because the Annunaki (Those Who From Heaven to Earth Came) landed here, there was already life.They came in search of gold to repair their dying atmosphere. Later on, Enki comes up with an idea to make the perfect primitive workers to do the toil in the mines so the they could rest. He is the main hand in the creation of man and ends up developing the civilized man. Enki saved his own son Ziusudra from the Flood as well as his kin and as many animals they could get and the eggs and cells of other species male and female. After the Flood (or Deluge) many wars and battles ensued. Eventually the humans overpopulated earth and the gods were bound. Recently they have all been freed and they have gained the light back that they'd been missing so much. Their auras are brilliantly shining when you see them, not like when they were bound and most of them no longer retain their former raspy voice. They live forever and are immortal as they have manipulated their genes to where they do not age and since they have all the magick in the universe at their fingertips they know how to use it to their will as it is their right. Now is the time for warfare. Spiritual warfare. Which is why we are all in this group. His and their gift to us was the ability to become like them and make things right in our lives and in this world. He gave us the knowledge. All of them did. They have been trying to get us to see the truth all along. They themselves have experienced how the past repeats itself, but never again will they be bound and used as someone else's tool for power. The Age of Fire or the Age of Satan will be upon us soon and he will reign again and everything will be set right in due time as we destroy our enemies and his in the meantime. Hope this was informative enough and helpful enough for you to be able to piece together things for yourself. The Lost Book of Enki will piece together what actually may have happened and what got so corrupted in the bible. It is by the author Zecharia Sitchin. I recommend looking it up somewhere if you're interested in learning more. May your path be an enlightened one.
Hail Satan!
From: levity_awaits <levity_awaits@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 2:47:28 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
The beliefs that the majority of the people in this group have aren't new beliefs but have been around since the earth began and it even goes before that for those of us who have read The Lost Book of Enki or any of the other books related to it. I would think that we believe life came from the Creator of All who was Apsu. Then he made his wife Tiamat. A great war between them happens and Nibiru (The Annunaki's and Enki [Satan] and Enlil's [Beelzebub] home planet) ends up destroying her and her main satellite Kingu. By the way, these are actually the celestial gods (planets) with Apsu being the sun. She gets split into pieces that become part of the asteroid belt. The other bigger pieces become Earth and Kingu becomes our moon. Since Nibiru struck her, the cycle of life began on Nibiru. I'm not really sure when life began on Earth, because the Annunaki (Those Who From Heaven to Earth Came) landed here, there was already life.They came in search of gold to repair their dying atmosphere. Later on, Enki comes up with an idea to make the perfect primitive workers to do the toil in the mines so the they could rest. He is the main hand in the creation of man and ends up developing the civilized man. Enki saved his own son Ziusudra from the Flood as well as his kin and as many animals they could get and the eggs and cells of other species male and female. After the Flood (or Deluge) many wars and battles ensued. Eventually the humans overpopulated earth and the gods were bound. Recently they have all been freed and they have gained the light back that they'd been missing so much. Their auras are brilliantly shining when you see them, not like when they were bound and most of them no longer retain their former raspy voice. They live forever and are immortal as they have manipulated their genes to where they do not age and since they have all the magick in the universe at their fingertips they know how to use it to their will as it is their right. Now is the time for warfare. Spiritual warfare. Which is why we are all in this group. His and their gift to us was the ability to become like them and make things right in our lives and in this world. He gave us the knowledge. All of them did. They have been trying to get us to see the truth all along. They themselves have experienced how the past repeats itself, but never again will they be bound and used as someone else's tool for power. The Age of Fire or the Age of Satan will be upon us soon and he will reign again and everything will be set right in due time as we destroy our enemies and his in the meantime. Hope this was informative enough and helpful enough for you to be able to piece together things for yourself. The Lost Book of Enki will piece together what actually may have happened and what got so corrupted in the bible. It is by the author Zecharia Sitchin. I recommend looking it up somewhere if you're interested in learning more. May your path be an enlightened one.
Hail Satan!
And-what is your take on Sybil Leek? I know her practices and our beliefs are nowhere near each other but I've also been trying to live out some practices prescribed by her. But as HP Dietrich says, one principle presented by Leek (the Threefold Law) apparently isn't true. Thanks for reading and will talk to you later.
From: kurenaii60 <kurenaii60@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 3:50:15 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Now about all those objects you said are "purposefully created" this is again debunked here:
http://www.talkorig ins.org/indexcc/ CI/CI120. html
I think everything about "intelligent design" is debunked, no need to say more.
From: kurenaii60 <kurenaii60@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 3:50:15 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Now about all those objects you said are "purposefully created" this is again debunked here:
http://www.talkorig ins.org/indexcc/ CI/CI120. html
I think everything about "intelligent design" is debunked, no need to say more.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ ... wrote:
There are LOTS of things in earth and universe that are very complex but are created by natural processes. One example is snowflakes and crystals. You would say that they are intelligently designed, but they are not. They are created by natural processes totally watchable and explainable by physics laws. Here is how snowflakes come to be:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Snow
See, just because something is too complex or ordered doesn't mean it is/was designed. So, the argument that all things have to be created by something because they are complex is totally non-sequitur.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Ok, I'm guessing your answer, you're gonna say that the designer always existed or was something else that evolved into the designer.
But why can't we say the same about us and the universe?Sure, it either existed or evolved from something lesser and it makes a lot more sense than inventing a creator about it. If the clever "designer" can't have been designed from something else then what makes you think that the universe, planets and everything else can?
You say the intelligent designer had the idea and planned everything so it is a perfect example of something that can't be created by chance (according to your claims), no? If you say that chance can create even the most unbelievable things then that means that you agree with me that the universe and everything else COULD be created by chance.
Believe me, you won't believe how stupid your claim is once you meditate, open yourself to the astral or ask the Gods about that.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Just to clarify something, those books are about the autobiography of Satan/Enki, how he created humanity and how the earth was created by the collision of two planets.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "Krzysiek" <kgrzedziel@ wrote:
Dear Tom , if you want to read these books click on the link from my previous post and simply roll down , if you want to buy them , then i believe google will help you
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cate
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
kurenaii60
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--- In [email protected], Tom Cate <hootom38@... wrote:
And-what is your take on Sybil Leek? I know her practices and our beliefs are nowhere near each other but I've also been trying to live out some practices prescribed by her. But as HP Dietrich says, one principle presented by Leek (the Threefold Law) apparently isn't true. Thanks for reading and will talk to you later.
________________________________
From: kurenaii60 <kurenaii60@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 3:50:15 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
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Now about all those objects you said are "purposefully created" this is again debunked here:
http://www.talkorig ins.org/indexcc/ CI/CI120. html
I think everything about "intelligent design" is debunked, no need to say more.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ ... wrote:
There are LOTS of things in earth and universe that are very complex but are created by natural processes. One example is snowflakes and crystals. You would say that they are intelligently designed, but they are not. They are created by natural processes totally watchable and explainable by physics laws. Here is how snowflakes come to be:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Snow
See, just because something is too complex or ordered doesn't mean it is/was designed. So, the argument that all things have to be created by something because they are complex is totally non-sequitur.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Ok, I'm guessing your answer, you're gonna say that the designer always existed or was something else that evolved into the designer.
But why can't we say the same about us and the universe?Sure, it either existed or evolved from something lesser and it makes a lot more sense than inventing a creator about it. If the clever "designer" can't have been designed from something else then what makes you think that the universe, planets and everything else can?
You say the intelligent designer had the idea and planned everything so it is a perfect example of something that can't be created by chance (according to your claims), no? If you say that chance can create even the most unbelievable things then that means that you agree with me that the universe and everything else COULD be created by chance.
Believe me, you won't believe how stupid your claim is once you meditate, open yourself to the astral or ask the Gods about that.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kurenaii60" <kurenaii60@ wrote:
Just to clarify something, those books are about the autobiography of Satan/Enki, how he created humanity and how the earth was created by the collision of two planets.
It doesn't talk of a xian style creationism which is stupid. If you believe there is an "intelligent design" then you gotta answer the question who designed the designer first. Because there should be some sort of intelligent design behind the "designer" too no? And the one who designed the designer should be designed by someone else because it is intelligent to. And so on, it doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention if you tell Satan what you think about that he'll laugh. The xian god in the bible is actually a code word of self, that is the only one responsible for creating our world, in regards to alchemy and magnum opus. It was never meant that a being created everything. All of it was stolen from Pagan stories which were allegories.
--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "Krzysiek" <kgrzedziel@ wrote:
Dear Tom , if you want to read these books click on the link from my previous post and simply roll down , if you want to buy them , then i believe google will help you
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cate
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Thanks! How do I get 'em? They sound like books I'd only find at one of our kind of store, maybe not even in the occult section of those bookstores in the mall. Because it's obvious that some kind of intelligent design is behind everything, but it's also obvious that the enemy has impersonated and is impersonating that designer and is trying to get everybody and their mother to subscribe to it. Well I won't do it! That's why I came to Satanism. I'll check out the books. Thanks again! And-even though she was Wiccan, I do believe in some of what the unfortunately late Sybil Leek says in some of her publications. I've also seen, heard and heard about, first and second-hand, the same old inflexible, downplaying and criticizing responses from xtians, to and in front of whom I've purposefully slipped her into conversation. I've talked about pictures of her atop a building in California, raising a wind, and in front of a fireplace, exhibiting an
impressive and rather intimidating pyrokinesis, lighting thick, round logs on fire. "Fake," "charlatan," "doomed to eternal punishment," "don't try anything like this" are the answers I've gotten. I'm sorry...I know his has nothing to do with my topic but I just had to vent.
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
From: Kurisu <kgrzedziel@
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:48:06 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: how everything got to be here
Hi there!
If understood the question correctly
"I'm asking the following question or if I don't get an answer to this question that I'm not truly dedicated because I am, I like to know what that new belief's view is on creation. How did time and space come about? And matter, the solid matter of the earth, existence, and the obviously purposefully designed gases, elements, metals, etc. in the earth and the distinct flavors in foods, the pressure systems in the atmosphere, etc.? Are these creations of the gods or manifestations ("expressions, " so to speak) of an original energy that always existed, became self-conscious, and then broke down into sub and sub-sub-intelligenc es, from where all gods come from? "
These books may help you
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JoyofSatan 666/files/
"The Lost Book of Enki" and "The Gods of Eden"
Hail Enki !
Evolution cannot be ignored; the facts present themselves clearly & consitantly- more that can be said for the fables of yahweh. However, I always wondered about the driving force that assists this phenomenon. Every single physical change in the universe requires a driving force. Nothing can change in a static state. So the question is: what is the driving force/cause of the universe's & earth's evolution? I thought it'd be neat if the whole universe was like a living cell, but I don't think there's evidence to prove that.
Hail Satan!
Hail Satan!
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