Clarity needed

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I don't like talking about this topic since it's probably one of the most inflammatory ones in the forum. I generally loathe arguments, and I don't want to turn this into one. I just want clarity, since there seems to be an inconsistency in the messaging around it, and each person is saying something different.

It is possible that you had a past life where you lived in a European country, that does not mean that you were of another race. There's been black people in France and England for centuries, for example.

You can always attract the most suitable partner for yourself, but please don't affirm "someone in the same situation as me", as likely such a person doesn't exist. I do not believe you or anyone else is trapped in the body of a race they do not belong in.

No. This was a single case based on the Gods decision and they weren't reincarnated as mixed race, they were incarnated as another race. That involved someone who was literally apex retarded, HATED her race, went with the worst possible people of other races and did it all out of spite, long before hating one's race was even fashionable.

Like this particular situation was not even remotely regular for race-mixing couples, it went way, way beyond that. Also, this can even be temporary.

Once again the Chinese whispers start. NO. This was a very extreme case and nothing to do with mixed-race people.

I can also see the next Chinese whisper on the horizon, that being born black or Asian is therefore a punishment. The Gods don't really like people who are treacherous to any of their own race. I mean real treachery here, like selling off half your people to slavers for some diamonds. That can incur similar punishments.

Not exactly. A number of mixed people were race mixers in their past lives, I've said this a few times over the years. But many of them are unfortunate new souls, or just a victim of bad fate.

Guardians Karnonnos and Power of Justice say you can't be reborn into another race, and race mixing doesn't ever result in rebirth into a mixed body, besides a one-off instance which wasn't in a mixed-race body. On the other hand, HPS Lydia says that a number of mixed people were race-mixers in past lives.

This to me seems like a contradiction. I just wish for clarity on this issue without causing any argument. Or is there no contradiction and just a misunderstanding on my part?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I want clarity on this so I and others know what to say when someone who's mixed race asks if they were another race in their past lives. If I were to answer as HPS Lydia did and say they may but not necessarily have been race-mixers in past lives, I'd get reprimanded.

So after being told by TG Karnonnos in the quote above that mixed people were never race-mixers in their past lives but new souls, I went on reiterating that:

TOZ has reiterated several times that being born mixed IS NOT a punishment and I agree with that.

Then HPS Lydia corrected me and proceeded to contradict what TG Karnonnos told me earlier:

Not exactly. A number of mixed people were race mixers in their past lives, I've said this a few times over the years. But many of them are unfortunate new souls, or just a victim of bad fate.

Now I don't know what I'm supposed to say... Hence, asking for clarity.

 

[Karnonnos [TG]]

Race, reincarnation are Tier 5++++++ subjects. They are ridiculously complex. People show up here from WN places and expect us to give explanations that are easy.

The post I am being quoted, I am referring to the specific situation involving the insane woman HPS Maxine spoke of. I actually inquired about this person. This person was incarnated as another pure race, because she hated whiteness so much. You hate yourself that much? Live as someone else who is totally alien, then. Live their life.

Pay close attention to what I said. First, I said being full black or Asian, in contrast to this highly specific case, is not a punishment. When this single case, which HPS Maxine spoke about as a warning to the biggest idiots, gets taken out of context, people start running with all kinds of speculation. This specific case did not have anything to do with mixed-race individuals.

Yes, as HPS Lydia said, there are a bunch of karmic factors involved in being mixed, relating to prior race-mixing and unavailability of bodies sometimes. But some members go to the dogmatic extreme (inspired more from Stormfront or 4chan than us) of saying 'all mixed race people are race-mixers from past lives and if you stuck your genitals inside some person of another race, the Gods will automatically incarnate you as a mixed-race being then send your ass to Tartarus.'

That is Chinese whispers and hysteria, it can actually drive some new members to being suicidal. Many suffer from ignorance of race. It is deliberate hatred and acts of sabotage against one's own race that can push people into extreme karmic consequences, not necessarily acts of ignorance.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Race, reincarnation are Tier 5++++++ subjects. They are ridiculously complex. People show up here from WN places and expect us to give explanations that are easy.

The post I am being quoted, I am referring to the specific situation involving the insane woman HPS Maxine spoke of. I actually inquired about this person. This person was incarnated as another pure race, because she hated whiteness so much. You hate yourself that much? Live as someone else who is totally alien, then. Live their life.

Pay close attention to what I said. First, I said being full black or Asian, in contrast to this highly specific case, is not a punishment. When this single case, which HPS Maxine spoke about as a warning to the biggest idiots, gets taken out of context, people start running with all kinds of speculation. This specific case did not have anything to do with mixed-race individuals.

Yes, as HPS Lydia said, there are a bunch of karmic factors involved in being mixed, relating to prior race-mixing and unavailability of bodies sometimes. But some members go to the dogmatic extreme (inspired more from Stormfront or 4chan than us) of saying 'all mixed race people are race-mixers from past lives and if you stuck your genitals inside some person of another race, the Gods will automatically incarnate you as a mixed-race being then send your ass to Tartarus.'

That is Chinese whispers and hysteria, it can actually drive some new members to being suicidal. Many suffer from ignorance of race. It is deliberate hatred and acts of sabotage against one's own race that can push people into extreme karmic consequences, not necessarily acts of ignorance.

So what are we supposed to say if a mixed person asks if they were a “pure” race in a past life? Maybe? Perhaps tell them it’s something they’re supposed to discover on their own if that’s the case? Yeah I get that it’s a delicate subject though and the dogmatist rumour makers don’t help at all. Not sure how to approach it tbh.

 

[Karnonnos [TG]]

So what are we supposed to say if a mixed person asks if they were a “pure” race in a past life? Maybe? Perhaps tell them it’s something they’re supposed to discover on their own if that’s the case? Yeah I get that it’s a delicate subject though and the dogmatist rumour makers don’t help at all. Not sure how to approach it tbh.

Just say it is a possibility.

I don't want to be rude here, but half the reason this is a sensitive subject is also because certain mixed-race men from the Yahoo Groups days 'demanded' to be seen as white and that we validate them as white, so they can date white women. Meanwhile their parents or sister have 4C hair or something.

Sometimes the situation with this is complicated too. You can have someone like Prince, black Arabs (like from Yemen, Sudan, etc.) or some creole individuals whose parents and family members were all black but rather light skinned. This is 'mixed race' in a way but not really the same as it's a way more stable situation involving a familial or national subrace, despite some white, Arab, habesha or Mesoamerican ancestors.

 

[HPS Lydia]

So what are we supposed to say if a mixed person asks if they were a “pure” race in a past life? Maybe?

Tell them to just focus on advancement and growing closer to their Guardian Daemon, who can then let them know about their past lives. That is literally the only answer there is, because you don't know about the past life of people on the internet.

 

[Stormblood]

We also have several warnings against race-mixing. We also said multiple times that having sex with someone isn't a joke, and affects you at the soul level.

The universe is also a meritocracy. Why should someone who constantly betrays and damages their race because they can't control their lower urges be given the purest bodies of a race? They do not deserve them, so they shouldn't have them. Simple as that.

There's also new souls.

The only viable advice is HPS Lydia's advice when confronting these matters, especially with outsiders.