Analysis of the latest TOZ video on Jesus

[Seeker in the Dark]

I'd be doing the Gods a disservice if I didn't correct what I saw here... Accuracy is key, and we must make sure everything we claim is as accurate as possible because the Truth is indeed on our side, therefore there is no need to claim things that are not true to bolster us. This is not to insult any of the people involved in making the video, but rather to educate and make us better in arguing against christianity and enemy religions in general.

Most of the video is good and accurate regarding the jewish aspects of the Jesus character. However, as I feared, it went into Zeitgeist territory.

A large number of you have likely watched the Zeitgeist movie, especially its part about jesus being a "copy" from Pagan myths:

For the Gods part, which I'll be focusing on, 3:32 to 5:33

The documentary is a joke, and filled with lies about our Gods and their stories.

Here are some videos that go over the actual stories on our Gods, not as the documentary describes, this can all be checked for yourselves through reading the mythical stories if you think the xians here are lying about them, they're not though:

The "scholars" behind this meme are for the most part total frauds and heavily criticised by actual scholars, atheist and xian alike.

Let's take Horus, for example. Isis was not a virgin when She gave birth to him, and nowhere did I find that He had 12 disciples or was baptised by "Anup", a character who doesn't exist in the stories even. Horus wasn't crucified either. If anyone actually has the myths saying this, not some indirect pseudo-academic sources, I'd love to read them and I'd recant what I said here. I don't believe Dionysus was born of a virgin either.

However, having said all this, there is truth to jesus being indeed a parody for Pagan myth and alchemical symbolism, just not in wildly innacurate way that it's depicted in the Zeitgeist movie or sadly presented in the page on Exposing Christianity, whose only source for the list of crucified Gods/figures is a book written by a lying hack:

The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Exposing the New Testament

Anyone who does a bit of research on the list presented would find out that all the names presented were either not crucified or were fabricated by the author.
This does our side a disservice as any xian who bothers to fact check this will be drawn away from us due to the absolute carelessness towards the truth involved in the claims.. It's sadly something I've noticed very frequently, people making claims without bothering to check if they're true or not just because they happen to like what was being said. We're supposed to be better than this...


As for what is true. The story of Jesus is indeed an allegory for alchemy, most notably stolen from Inana's descent into the underworld:

https://people.uncw.edu/deagona/myth/Descent%20Of%20Inanna.pdf

"Then Erishkigal fastened on Inanna the eye of death.
She spoke against her the word of wrath.
She uttered against her the cry of guilt.
She struck her.
Inanna was turned into a corpse,
A piece of rotting meat,
And was hung from a hook on the wall...

When, after three days and three nights, Inanna had not returned,
Ninshubur set up a lament for her by the ruins.

The kurgarra sprinkled the food of life on the corpse.
The galatur sprinkled the water of life on the corpse.
Inanna rose"

Crucified on a hook, raised from the dead after 3 days. Went through the underworld through seven gates (chakras). Had to strip Herself of her powers and royal clothes and be humiliated, akin to Jesus being stripped and humiliated, then sentenced to death. Rises up from the dead in full dominion over the underworld and the sky, symbolising the Magnum Opus. The underworld, I believe, is an allegory for the subconscious/dark mind, along with Ersheshigal, who is Inana's sister in this case. To be remade, one has to "die" first. 3 days are the 3 stages of alchemy I believe. Also, note how the food/bread of life and the water of life, all symbolic for kundalini/chi power, was also stolen by the xians in the NT as a symbolism for "jesus".

The 12 disciples/12 tribes are obviously from the Zodiac. The raised up God figure is a symbol of the Kundalini, as illustrated:

John 3:14
"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up"

The lifted up snake in the OT is a symbol of the Kundalini's healing powers once it is raised up. Jesus being traditionally 33 years old is also symbolic of the 33 bones in the spine. The tree/hook/cross is the spine. In the OT story Moses raises up the snake on a pole, aka the spine. The jews were cursed by serpents and healed by serpents, showing the kundalini/"God" aka full human power can heal and destroy as well.

The Truth is indeed on our side, and we need to make sure our message isn't sabotaged by carelessness in regards to what is true and what isn't. Who knows how many potential Zevists never became so because they were already familiar with these false claims and thus remained xians. To the makers of the video, please do not take this the wrong way. Like you, I wish for the Truth to triumph and all lies to be destroyed. This is why I wrote what I wrote here. Loyalty to the Truth is paramount, especially regarding important topics like this. I'll welcome any corrections if I said anything inaccurate here, as long as they are properly sourced, preferably from the mythical texts themselves.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [TG]]

This academic self masturbation is worthless for me, and I know of all the sides about the "atheists" and full on christianity propaganda defense, which this is, and people accepted it as they are dumb.

Horus, in his form as Heru-sa-Aset, is born of Isis after she reassembles the dismembered body of Osiris and magically conceives him through "necrosexual" union (Divine impregnation - advanced technological insemination) . This mythological conception, via divine will and ritual magic, is a virgin birth by ancient standards. Isis is never impregnated by a living man. Her sexuality is sacred, symbolic, and non-carnal in the conventional sense. Ancient texts describe her as a mother, yet virgin, mirroring precisely what Christianity tried to retrofit into Mary centuries later.

The ancient whole ordeal of virgin birth is all about miraculous, non-ordinary, divine conception, that was later attributed as a purity factor in regards to human women. This dishonesty of semantics or extreme precise details that the hypocritical Christians do in their own texts, they call them allegorical and generalize while on the offending side they argue about specific details and rationales that are blatant fallacies and based on disgusting dishonesty.

The entire metaphysical point is that life emerges from death through divine power, not from human lust. Moreover, the mythic function of Horus as the renewed Osiris, the savior of Egypt, and the one who defeats Set (as mythic evil) to restore divine order, forms the core structure of what was later mapped onto Jesus: a son of a god, born of divine conception, savior of humanity, restorer of balance, and conqueror of evil.

Isis, in the form of a bird, copulates with the deceased Osiris. At either side are Horus, although he is as yet unborn, and Isis in human form.

Virgin birth = woman had no sex (only for monkey IQ) TAKEN from ancient philosophy and metaphysical notions (Divine Conception) , the above is one of them.

 

[xlnt]

Who knows how many potential Zevists never became so because they were already familiar with these false claims and thus remained xians

False claims... well, remaining xian mainly has to do with the false claims of "Jesus" being "Gods son" and also "God", who died 2025 years ago for our "sins", and the low level intelligence it takes to actually belive in that for real.

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

This academic self masturbation is worthless for me, and I know of all the sides about the "atheists" and full on christianity propaganda defense, which this is, and people accepted it as they are dumb.

Horus, in his form as Heru-sa-Aset, is born of Isis after she reassembles the dismembered body of Osiris and magically conceives him through "necrosexual" union (Divine impregnation - advanced technological insemination) . This mythological conception, via divine will and ritual magic, is a virgin birth by ancient standards. Isis is never impregnated by a living man. Her sexuality is sacred, symbolic, and non-carnal in the conventional sense. Ancient texts describe her as a mother, yet virgin, mirroring precisely what Christianity tried to retrofit into Mary centuries later.

The ancient whole ordeal of virgin birth is all about miraculous, non-ordinary, divine conception, that was later attributed as a purity factor in regards to human women. This dishonesty of semantics or extreme precise details that the hypocritical Christians do in their own texts, they call them allegorical and generalize while on the offending side they argue about specific details and rationales that are blatant fallacies and based on disgusting dishonesty.

The entire metaphysical point is that life emerges from death through divine power, not from human lust. Moreover, the mythic function of Horus as the renewed Osiris, the savior of Egypt, and the one who defeats Set (as mythic evil) to restore divine order, forms the core structure of what was later mapped onto Jesus: a son of a god, born of divine conception, savior of humanity, restorer of balance, and conqueror of evil.

Isis, in the form of a bird, copulates with the deceased Osiris. At either side are Horus, although he is as yet unborn, and Isis in human form.

Virgin birth = woman had no sex (only for monkey IQ) TAKEN from ancient philosophy and metaphysical notions (Divine Conception) , the above is one of them.

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You call what I wrote academic self-masturbation then proceed to go into extreme detail on the spiritual truths behind virgin birth and the saviour God archetype, which I do appreciate but don’t you think that’s hypocritical?

I’m simply stating the truth. Besides Innana and Odin, I’m not aware of any other crucified Gods. I agree with and stated at the end that the jesus story is a stolen allegory on Divine alchemy, as you’ve reiterated. But then claiming things that aren’t true like citing the crucified saviors book ruins the whole message. Giving out false examples ruins the whole message even if the message is true.

Making such innacurate claims gives ammo for xians to peddle their propaganda. What I said and cited isn’t xian propaganda, besides the xians peddling their bs alongside their fact-checking of the Zeitgeist examples which all come from the fraudulent crucified saviors book. Accuracy is important, we don’t need to nor should we rely on false claims.

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

You call what I wrote academic self-masturbation then proceed to go into extreme detail on the spiritual truths behind virgin birth and the saviour God archetype, which I do appreciate but don’t you think that’s hypocritical?

I’m simply stating the truth. Besides Innana and Odin, I’m not aware of any other crucified Gods. I agree with and stated at the end that the jesus story is a stolen allegory on Divine alchemy, as you’ve reiterated. But then claiming things that aren’t true like citing the crucified saviors book ruins the whole message. Giving out false examples ruins the whole message even if the message is true.

Making such innacurate claims gives ammo for xians to peddle their propaganda. What I said and cited isn’t xian propaganda, besides the xians peddling their bs alongside their fact-checking of the Zeitgeist examples which all come from the fraudulent crucified saviors book. Accuracy is important, we don’t need to nor should we rely on false claims.

I have watched the Temple of Zeus video. There's nothing inaccurate in the video at all, what are you on about? You believe these nonsensical sources are more reputable than our understanding which completely precedes and eclipses what any secular works written by "academics" have to say on the subject?

Even then, everything said in the video is 100% accurate. You've not read this elsewhere so you conclude it is wrong? You must be kidding.

If you don't understand something, don't criticize it, ask questions instead to gain understanding. You keep mentioning inaccuracies, while there are none, and you are defending xianity here by your arguments...

Yes, what you do is academic self-masturbation, as all it amounts to is secular reading without understanding for the sake of ego gratification. There's no knowledge, wisdom or purpose.
What else is it, but academic self-masturbation?

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

I have watched the Temple of Zeus video. There's nothing inaccurate in the video at all, what are you on about? You believe these nonsensical sources are more reputable than our understanding which completely precedes and eclipses what any secular works written by "academics" have to say on the subject?

Even then, everything said in the video is 100% accurate. You've not read this elsewhere so you conclude it is wrong? You must be kidding.

If you don't understand something, don't criticize it, ask questions instead to gain understanding. You keep mentioning inaccuracies, while there are none, and you are defending xianity here by your arguments...

Yes, what you do is academic self-masturbation, as all it amounts to is secular reading without understanding for the sake of ego gratification. There's no knowledge, wisdom or purpose.
What else is it, but academic self-masturbation?

I’m afraid the video is not fully accurate. I wish it was and this is why I wrote all this.

Was Horus crucified? Did He get baptised or purified with water by someone named Anup? Did He have 12 disciples or students? Which myth about Horus says any of this about Him?

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

I’m afraid the video is not fully accurate. I wish it was and this is why I wrote all this.

Was Horus crucified? Did He get baptised or purified with water by someone named Anup? Did He have 12 disciples or students? Which myth about Horus says any of this about Him?

Have we watched the same video? I guess you must have watched something else, or maybe you haven't paid attention while watching.

"Furthermore, the very narrative architecture of the "jesus" persona is not an original revelation, but a syncretic patchwork, a brazen act of plagiarism drawing from a multitude of pre-existing Pagan Deities and Saviour figures."

Then follows examples of said Deities from which the jewsus persona was drafted.

Your issue stems from whether Anup the baptizer was a real persona in Horus Myth's or not, it seems. Which is exactly what many jewsus sympathizers argue across the internet, that the myth of the fictitious jewsus cannot be stolen from Horus, because according to xian sources and xian "academics" Anup the baptizer is not a persona that existed in the Myth's of Horus.

Ancient Egyptians did purification by water rituals, this is well documented. Originally this is spiritual allegory, but it was done literally as well, and both can be done simultaneously, physical action to mimic the spiritual purification process by form of ritual to actualize this in a person. Very normal process which was done in Ancient Egypt.

All of these are allegory, names do not matter, whether x was called Anup, Bob or John, whether he was x the baptizer or whatever, is unimportant. Jews took this allegory and ascribed this to the fictitious jewsus persona, which is the point of this portion of the video. What you are arguing is nothing more than semantics, which is worthless in this context.

The name is not important, the fact is, baptizing is allegorical in nature, and certainly happened in the Myth of Horus, which is where the baptizing of jewsus was stolen from, among other things. Baptizing originally is allegory of purification of the Soul through Divine cleansing ritual, after baptizing, one is pure, anointed by the Divine. As I said, there is nothing inaccurate in the video.

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

Have we watched the same video? I guess you must have watched something else, or maybe you haven't paid attention while watching.

"Furthermore, the very narrative architecture of the "jesus" persona is not an original revelation, but a syncretic patchwork, a brazen act of plagiarism drawing from a multitude of pre-existing Pagan Deities and Saviour figures."

Then follows examples of said Deities from which the jewsus persona was drafted.

Your issue stems from whether Anup the baptizer was a real persona in Horus Myth's or not, it seems. Which is exactly what many jewsus sympathizers argue across the internet, that the myth of the fictitious jewsus cannot be stolen from Horus, because according to xian sources and xian "academics" Anup the baptizer is not a persona that existed in the Myth's of Horus.

Ancient Egyptians did purification by water rituals, this is well documented. Originally this is spiritual allegory, but it was done literally as well, and both can be done simultaneously, physical action to mimic the spiritual purification process by form of ritual to actualize this in a person. Very normal process which was done in Ancient Egypt.

All of these are allegory, names do not matter, whether x was called Anup, Bob or John, whether he was x the baptizer or whatever, is unimportant. Jews took this allegory and ascribed this to the fictitious jewsus persona, which is the point of this portion of the video. What you are arguing is nothing more than semantics, which is worthless in this context.

The name is not important, the fact is, baptizing is allegorical in nature, and certainly happened in the Myth of Horus, which is where the baptizing of jewsus was stolen from, among other things. Baptizing originally is allegory of purification of the Soul through Divine cleansing ritual, after baptizing, one is pure, anointed by the Divine. As I said, there is nothing inaccurate in the video.

9:33

"Horus of Egypt, born of the virgin ISIS, baptized by Anup the Baptizer, was crucified, resurrected and hailed as "the K R S T" performing miracles with 12 disciples"

I'm not disputing that the rite of baptism, or purification by water, was stolen by xians and jews from Egypt. Now, from what I'm reading, Horus was given a rite of purification by water by Anubis, which was likely mistranslated as "Anup". However, I'm not finding anywhere that he or any of the Gods mentioned on the list on the Exposing Christianity page were crucified or hung from trees, or that Horus had 12 disicples or was reffered to as the "K R S T".

I'm not defending xianity. The whole second half of my OP was about dismantling xianity but with the accurate example of Inana's descent into the underworld, ultimately arguing that yes the jesus story is a plagiarised myth about alchemy.

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

For anyone wondering why I'm doing this, it's not for pointless semantic reasons. There are hundreds to thousands of xians who are likely reading Exposing Xianity every day, and many of them will end up watching the video on jesus released by TOZ. If they're already familiar with the Zeitgeist nonsense or bother to research it for a few minutes, they'll find the claims made by the video and the page to be false, which could cost us future Zevists and has likely done so already. This is why I'm doing this.

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

This is my last comment on this thread.

Just check the list for yourselves and do some research on the Gods/characters, the myths behind Them, and see how many were actually crucified:

• Tammuz of Syria, 1160 BCE
• Wittoba of the Telingonese, 552 BCE
• Iao of Nepal, 622 BCE Iao is often spelt "Jao" sound familiar? This is the root of the Hebrew god "Jehova."
• Hesus of the Celtic Druids, 834 BCE. Note the similarity of "Hesus" with "Jesus."
• Quetzalcoatl of Mexico 587 BCE
• Quirinus of Rome 506 BCE
• Prometheus 547 BCE "In the account of the crucifixion of Prometheus of Caucasus, as furnished by Seneca, Hesiod and other writers, it is stated that he was nailed to an upright beam of timber to which were affixed extended arms of wood, and that this cross was situated near the Caspian Straits."
• Thulis of Egypt, 1700 BCE
• Indra of Tibet, 725 BCE
• Alcestos of Euripedes, 600 BCE
• Atys of Phrygia, 1170 BCE
• Crite of Chaldea, 1200 BCE
• Bali of Orissa, 725 BCE
• Mithra of Persia, 600 BCE

 

[FancyMancy]

For anyone wondering why I'm doing this, it's not for pointless semantic reasons. There are hundreds to thousands of xians who are likely reading Exposing Xianity every day, and many of them will end up watching the video on jesus released by TOZ. If they're already familiar with the Zeitgeist nonsense or bother to research it for a few minutes, they'll find the claims made by the video and the page to be false, which could cost us future Zevists and has likely done so already. This is why I'm doing this.

I hae this but unfortunately sensationalism and propaganda are tools and weapons to use in wars and fighting. It's dirty, but... dare I say... necessary.

 

[serpentwalker666]

This is my last comment on this thread.

Just check the list for yourselves and do some research on the Gods/characters, the myths behind Them, and see how many were actually crucified:

• Tammuz of Syria, 1160 BCE
• Wittoba of the Telingonese, 552 BCE
• Iao of Nepal, 622 BCE Iao is often spelt "Jao" sound familiar? This is the root of the Hebrew god "Jehova."
• Hesus of the Celtic Druids, 834 BCE. Note the similarity of "Hesus" with "Jesus."
• Quetzalcoatl of Mexico 587 BCE
• Quirinus of Rome 506 BCE
• Prometheus 547 BCE "In the account of the crucifixion of Prometheus of Caucasus, as furnished by Seneca, Hesiod and other writers, it is stated that he was nailed to an upright beam of timber to which were affixed extended arms of wood, and that this cross was situated near the Caspian Straits."
• Thulis of Egypt, 1700 BCE
• Indra of Tibet, 725 BCE
• Alcestos of Euripedes, 600 BCE
• Atys of Phrygia, 1170 BCE
• Crite of Chaldea, 1200 BCE
• Bali of Orissa, 725 BCE
• Mithra of Persia, 600 BCE

I suggest you focus on your meditation program and your advancement as everything displayed and mentioned in the video is blatantly clear to the rest of us.

You are benefiting no one, not even yourself, by sitting here and debating the.. "inaccuracy" of the video. When it's fine as it is, and shares a major truth bomb on these subjects for Xians who come across it.

Seriously. I strongly recommend you ask your guardian daemon to guide you to more information here and put everything together yourself.

There is no issue with the video, just with your interpretation and doubts of it.