About cursing

[Sabazios]

Greetings! It has been a while.

I'll cut straight to the point someone caused me harm in two ways, one way knowingly and the other one unknowningly. The first one is rather milder, just some money wasted on some trash. The unknowing one tho could potentially cause issues, for myself, family and pets alike.

Now, I don't really go around cursing people because I mostly end up thinking that whatever happened wasn't worth the initial feelings of hate I had when whatever harm happened. Yet I've been contemplating on cursing this individual I'm talking about for a long time, pretty much always backing down.

Would I be justified to curse him to get the same thing that he brought to me?

I am asking because I'll most likely end sucking it up if I don't start at the soonest ideal time for cursing, and because my girlfriend is afraid that the curse might backfire on me because "she remembers something being said on that in the ToZ forums"

I am really appreciative for any replies. Thank you for taking your time to read through it aswell.

 

[DarkPagan666]

It depends on the severity of the perpetrator's actions. Ultimately, you must be the judge whether or not it's worth pursuing.

It's understandable to wrestle with strong emotions when you've been wronged, especially when the harm reaches into the well-being of your loved ones and home.

It's difficult to give you a precise answer since you’re being somewhat cryptic. You can seek justice, meaning the fair and appropriate return of what was done to you.

Timing your magick is crucial: avoid cursing during a void-of-course moon, and choose the proper moon phase for cursing, which is waning. Keep in mind, if the perpetrator has a stronger aura or soul than you, the curse could backfire. Always cleanse your chakras and aura thoroughly afterwards, and strengthen your Aura of Protection.

Of course, you can always perform a binding using the rune Isa, to prevent the perpetrator from ever harming you or your loved ones again.

 

[Karnonnos [TG]]

Be specific. What issues? What way is this person causing harm to you? We cannot tell you a proportionate response if you are vague.

 

[Astrid]

In addition to the above advice, it also isn't advised to curse someone if you're still feeling conflicted emotions about the situation, this can have bad consequences for yourself when directing the energies

 

[logicalmind]

If you want to decide if it is appropriate or not to curse someone, please answer the following questions yourself first.

1. Did he/she intentionally harm you? Accidents don't count. Of course, there is also one element that even accidents can count. For instance, a car accident and the guilty party just ran away without checking if you are fine or not. Another type of accident when it might be fine to curse is when this accident could have been avoided if the guilty party would have behaved responsibly. E.g., the party causes a deadly car accident driving at 100-150 km/h while the speed limit is mere 50 km/h. Basically, intentional harm means that someone treats you worse than shit, causes harm and shows that he/she does not give even a single fuck about the order established in the society. No sane or morally adequate human would even think about causing such harm to someone else.

2. Is this beyond mundane justice? In other words, you have no need to curse someone if you live in a country where it is enough for you to report this crime to the police and the guilty party would be handled properly. However, if there are reasons why police are unable to handle such a person, then it might be a good target for curse. Maybe the party has enough finances to bribe officials. Or other types of influence, so you would not get well deserved justice. Or maybe getting justice for you would cost so much money that you would end up in an even shittier situation than you are now.

3. Are you certain you are not projecting? If you want to curse effectively, rage should be directed, not blind.

If after answering such questions you see you still have justification for cursing, then probably it is fine to curse someone, since that someone did such shit that he/she deserves to get a bit more serious justice than just binding. Just make sure you choose correct astrological conditions, you are more powerful than that person. If you meditate periodically, then probably you are much more powerful. Usually, people who have enough Aura power do not behave like shit, but this is not a rule of thumb. Big power alone does not guarantee good morality unless this power is so massive that it is meaningless and stupid to be immoral, like the power of the God level.

 

[Lucifigus]

Greetings! It has been a while.

I'll cut straight to the point someone caused me harm in two ways, one way knowingly and the other one unknowningly. The first one is rather milder, just some money wasted on some trash. The unknowing one tho could potentially cause issues, for myself, family and pets alike.

Now, I don't really go around cursing people because I mostly end up thinking that whatever happened wasn't worth the initial feelings of hate I had when whatever harm happened. Yet I've been contemplating on cursing this individual I'm talking about for a long time, pretty much always backing down.

Would I be justified to curse him to get the same thing that he brought to me?

I am asking because I'll most likely end sucking it up if I don't start at the soonest ideal time for cursing, and because my girlfriend is afraid that the curse might backfire on me because "she remembers something being said on that in the ToZ forums"

I am really appreciative for any replies. Thank you for taking your time to read through it aswell.

You must think a lot if you want to curse someone. If you curse someone, there is no way back, you destroy his life.
Instead, you can do this: https://templeofzeus.org/Fighting_Back
Read also this page: https://templeofzeus.org/AURA

 

[Sabazios]

Be specific. What issues? What way is this person causing harm to you? We cannot tell you a proportionate response if you are vague.

Diseases. What I bought from him(and this person is part of a relative family) other than being hardly usable is infested with parasites. My pets are all full of ticks.
Why am I saying this is their fault? I lived here all my life, my family did so too. We never found any ticks, and we had cows, horses, goats, sheep, dogs, cats and so on at all times. I, as well as pretty much everyone in the family have never had any problems with staying in the grass, and never had any get on us.

What I brought from them was food for the cows and goats. The hay, other than being mostly unusable due to having mold inside, is full of ticks. Today I found 7 ticks on a cat alone, a cat that loves to sleep in hay. Found ticks on the cows too, the only common ground is the hay.

I bought insecticides against the ticks and will hopefully get rid of them all together.

Whereas ticks aren't something to exaggerate about, with the amount I found on a single cat in a day(have been finding for the past few days), it can be highly likely someone I love(even a pet) contacts Lyme or other diseases these parasites carry.

I apologize if I had been unclear on this. Thank you for replying.

So that you do not get me wrong, the "curse" would've been for him to get back atleast as many ticks as I am dealing with.

 

[DarkPagan666]

Diseases. What I bought from him(and this person is part of a relative family) other than being hardly usable is infested with parasites. My pets are all full of ticks.
Why am I saying this is their fault? I lived here all my life, my family did so too. We never found any ticks, and we had cows, horses, goats, sheep, dogs, cats and so on at all times. I, as well as pretty much everyone in the family have never had any problems with staying in the grass, and never had any get on us.

What I brought from them was food for the cows and goats. The hay, other than being mostly unusable due to having mold inside, is full of ticks. Today I found 7 ticks on a cat alone, a cat that loves to sleep in hay. Found ticks on the cows too, the only common ground is the hay.

I bought insecticides against the ticks and will hopefully get rid of them all together.

Whereas ticks aren't something to exaggerate about, with the amount I found on a single cat in a day(have been finding for the past few days), it can be highly likely someone I love(even a pet) contacts Lyme or other diseases these parasites carry.

I apologize if I had been unclear on this. Thank you for replying.

So that you do not get me wrong, the "curse" would've been for him to get back atleast as many ticks as I am dealing with.

From what you describe, it sounds more like negligence than intentional harm. Are you certain your relative knowingly sold you hay that was moldy and infested with ticks?

It’s possible that poor storage conditions or a lack of proper maintenance led to the infestation without him realizing it. Sometimes these issues build up unnoticed if someone isn't careful with their surroundings.

Either way, the responsibility is still his, whether it was deliberate or due to carelessness. Perhaps you should talk to your relative and sort things out in a diplomatic and mature way, rather than immediately resorting to a curse, and take things from there.

I'm sorry for what your pets are going through. You may also consult Lady Bastet for guidance and blessings for their welfare.

 

[Sabazios]

From what you describe, it sounds more like negligence than intentional harm. Are you certain your relative knowingly sold you hay that was moldy and infested with ticks?

It’s possible that poor storage conditions or a lack of proper maintenance led to the infestation without him realizing it. Sometimes these issues build up unnoticed if someone isn't careful with their surroundings.

Either way, the responsibility is still his, whether it was deliberate or due to carelessness. Perhaps you should talk to your relative and sort things out in a diplomatic and mature way, rather than immediately resorting to a curse, and take things from there.

I'm sorry for what your pets are going through. You may also consult Lady Bastet for guidance and blessings for their welfare.

Thank you for both replies. About the tick infestation, that is what I said is the "unknown harm" in my op. The mold is the intentional harm.

It is not the first time he, together with their family, caused issues, some lesser some worse, but the tick issue is over the top for me. I'm not knowledgeable enough about ticks, but what I saw they're either black legged or brown legged.

For civilized discussion, unfortunately it is not available, as it has been with all the prior instances. Sure they apologize verbally, if they don't shift the blame, what about my cats that died from rat poison?

I am mostly talking from an emotional standpoint on this, although I'm not that "disturbed" by the parasites themselves, the diseases are a huge worry factor for me.

 

[nema]

Greetings! It has been a while.

I'll cut straight to the point someone caused me harm in two ways, one way knowingly and the other one unknowningly. The first one is rather milder, just some money wasted on some trash. The unknowing one tho could potentially cause issues, for myself, family and pets alike.

Now, I don't really go around cursing people because I mostly end up thinking that whatever happened wasn't worth the initial feelings of hate I had when whatever harm happened. Yet I've been contemplating on cursing this individual I'm talking about for a long time, pretty much always backing down.

Would I be justified to curse him to get the same thing that he brought to me?

I am asking because I'll most likely end sucking it up if I don't start at the soonest ideal time for cursing, and because my girlfriend is afraid that the curse might backfire on me because "she remembers something being said on that in the ToZ forums"

I am really appreciative for any replies. Thank you for taking your time to read through it aswell.

If i had these thougths (not knowing if i really want to do it), i wouldn't do It.

 

[DarkPagan666]

Thank you for both replies. About the tick infestation, that is what I said is the "unknown harm" in my op. The mold is the intentional harm.

It is not the first time he, together with their family, caused issues, some lesser some worse, but the tick issue is over the top for me. I'm not knowledgeable enough about ticks, but what I saw they're either black legged or brown legged.

For civilized discussion, unfortunately it is not available, as it has been with all the prior instances. Sure they apologize verbally, if they don't shift the blame, what about my cats that died from rat poison?

I am mostly talking from an emotional standpoint on this, although I'm not that "disturbed" by the parasites themselves, the diseases are a huge worry factor for me.

You're clearly experiencing emotional conflict that's clouding your judgment, and that’s completely understandable.

Even though you’ve never had issues before, ticks are fairly widespread across the planet; even found in remote areas like Antarctica. They typically thrive in tall grass, brush, and wooded areas. One possibility is that your cats or other animals brought the ticks in, and while interacting with the hay, a tick detached and laid eggs there. That could explain the infestation. Just this past Easter, I had to remove countless ticks from my own cats and dogs, I even found some on my llamas.

As for the moldy hay, that definitely sounds like a recurring issue and points to negligence. Mold develops easily in hay that isn't properly preserved, especially in wet or humid conditions without preservatives. If the hay doesn’t dry correctly during storage, it can retain moisture and become a breeding ground for mold. I know this from experience as I grew up on a farm, and our family raised and still raises many animals.

That said, if you’ve had prior incidents with this relative, including serious outcomes like pet deaths from rat poison, yet continue to accept things from them, then unfortunately, some of the responsibility does fall on you as well. When there’s a repeated pattern of harmful behavior, continuing to engage with it carries its own risks. This isn’t just about you or your family, but also about protecting your animals.

To be certain and to further protect your animals, you may want to stop accepting anything from them; no food, no supplies, no favors.

 

[Sabazios]

You're clearly experiencing emotional conflict that's clouding your judgment, and that’s completely understandable.

Even though you’ve never had issues before, ticks are fairly widespread across the planet; even found in remote areas like Antarctica. They typically thrive in tall grass, brush, and wooded areas. One possibility is that your cats or other animals brought the ticks in, and while interacting with the hay, a tick detached and laid eggs there. That could explain the infestation. Just this past Easter, I had to remove countless ticks from my own cats and dogs, I even found some on my llamas.

As for the moldy hay, that definitely sounds like a recurring issue and points to negligence. Mold develops easily in hay that isn't properly preserved, especially in wet or humid conditions without preservatives. If the hay doesn’t dry correctly during storage, it can retain moisture and become a breeding ground for mold. I know this from experience as I grew up on a farm, and our family raised and still raises many animals.

That said, if you’ve had prior incidents with this relative, including serious outcomes like pet deaths from rat poison, yet continue to accept things from them, then unfortunately, some of the responsibility does fall on you as well. When there’s a repeated pattern of harmful behavior, continuing to engage with it carries its own risks. This isn’t just about you or your family, but also about protecting your animals.

To be certain and to further protect your animals, you may want to stop accepting anything from them; no food, no supplies, no favors.

Thank you for all the valuable advice. Yes I know the proper way of storing and handling hay. I know I'm responsible for certain things, such as buying it. I shouldn't have went and bought it from him. I know that much.

And rather it's that I can't seem to get them out of my life. I tried back in 2021-2022 to bind them from interacting with

 

[septiannor]

Hail Sabazios,

First of all, you’re not wrong to feel conflicted. Wanting justice is natural—especially when you’re trying to walk the path of spiritual elevation and others try to drag you down.

In Temple of Zeus teachings and beyond, justified cursing is not only acceptable—it is sometimes necessary. Justice is sacred. If someone knowingly harmed you, and the unknowing action has the potential to harm your household (especially spiritually or energetically), then you do have spiritual right to respond. This isn’t petty revenge—it’s cosmic balance.

However, you must approach cursing with clear focus, not emotional clouding. The best curses are calculated, exact, and born out of a demand for justice—not fueled by rage. Anger clouds ritual efficiency and risks karmic kickback due to lack of control or tunnel vision.

About your girlfriend’s concern: yes, backfire is possible, but usually only in three cases:

1. If you curse out of blind emotion without shielding or proper ritual prep.


2. If you’re spiritually weak (no proper foundation: chakra work, Dedication, consistent meditation).


3. If your target is karmically protected or unjustly chosen.



So ask yourself:

Are you spiritually stable enough to handle backlash, if any?

Are you truly justified, or are there grey areas you haven't addressed?

Have you made protections, both astral and ritual?


If yes—then proceed. If unsure, strengthen yourself first.

Recommendation: Do an evaluation meditation with your Guardians or ask Zeus directly for a sign before proceeding. If the green light is given, perform the curse during a waning moon or Saturn hour/day, with proper purification and protection rituals.

You are not weak for asking. You're strong for not rushing.

Hail Justice.
Hail the Ancient Gods. Hail Zeus.

 

[Sabazios]

Thank you for all the valuable advice. Yes I know the proper way of storing and handling hay. I know I'm responsible for certain things, such as buying it. I shouldn't have went and bought it from him. I know that much.

And rather it's that I can't seem to get them out of my life. I tried back in 2021-2022 to bind them from interacting with

With my family* which ended up in a failure that only lasted like 2 weeks or so.
When there's no issue they'll make one, for example they rented the grass field from the person I rented last year. They knew I was renting that field, since we "helped" each other with scything it.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

For civilized discussion, unfortunately it is not available, as it has been with all the prior instances. Sure they apologize verbally, if they don't shift the blame, what about my cats that died from rat poison?

Energies associated with justice, such as Tiwaz, as well as Gebo, can drive discussions and actions (like repayment) in your favor. This is a better outcome than simply attacking in revenge. Both are punishing in a sense, but only one facilitates a resolution of the original problem.

You could do something like start the working, let the energy build for some amount of days, then voice your complaints, asking for repayment or other corrective actions. If you are worried about the success, then let the energies build for longer.

However, not engaging in any discussions hurts the process of mediation, and can potentially make you more liable for fault, like if a harsher curse was unjustified or unnecessary.

 

[Sabazios]

Hail Sabazios,

First of all, you’re not wrong to feel conflicted. Wanting justice is natural—especially when you’re trying to walk the path of spiritual elevation and others try to drag you down.

In Temple of Zeus teachings and beyond, justified cursing is not only acceptable—it is sometimes necessary. Justice is sacred. If someone knowingly harmed you, and the unknowing action has the potential to harm your household (especially spiritually or energetically), then you do have spiritual right to respond. This isn’t petty revenge—it’s cosmic balance.

However, you must approach cursing with clear focus, not emotional clouding. The best curses are calculated, exact, and born out of a demand for justice—not fueled by rage. Anger clouds ritual efficiency and risks karmic kickback due to lack of control or tunnel vision.

About your girlfriend’s concern: yes, backfire is possible, but usually only in three cases:

1. If you curse out of blind emotion without shielding or proper ritual prep.


2. If you’re spiritually weak (no proper foundation: chakra work, Dedication, consistent meditation).


3. If your target is karmically protected or unjustly chosen.



So ask yourself:

Are you spiritually stable enough to handle backlash, if any?

Are you truly justified, or are there grey areas you haven't addressed?

Have you made protections, both astral and ritual?


If yes—then proceed. If unsure, strengthen yourself first.

Recommendation: Do an evaluation meditation with your Guardians or ask Zeus directly for a sign before proceeding. If the green light is given, perform the curse during a waning moon or Saturn hour/day, with proper purification and protection rituals.

You are not weak for asking. You're strong for not rushing.

Hail Justice.
Hail the Ancient Gods. Hail Zeus.

Thank you very much! And thank you to all who replied.

Energies associated with justice, such as Tiwaz, as well as Gebo, can drive discussions and actions (like repayment) in your favor. This is a better outcome than simply attacking in revenge. Both are punishing in a sense, but only one facilitates a resolution of the original problem.

You could do something like start the working, let the energy build for some amount of days, then voice your complaints, asking for repayment or other corrective actions. If you are worried about the success, then let the energies build for longer.

However, not engaging in any discussions hurts the process of meditation, and can potentially make you more liable for fault, like if a harsher curse was unjustified or unnecessary.

Thank you! I will try this and see where it goes.

I really appreciate all the advice I was given and it helped me process the situation in a better way.

 

[DarkPagan666]

Thank you for all the valuable advice. Yes I know the proper way of storing and handling hay. I know I'm responsible for certain things, such as buying it. I shouldn't have went and bought it from him. I know that much.

And rather it's that I can't seem to get them out of my life. I tried back in 2021-2022 to bind them from interacting with

This is, unfortunately, a part of life many of us face; learning how to deal with people who are difficult, manipulative, or disruptive, even when they’re family. It’s through these hard lessons that we often learn where to draw the line, how to protect ourselves and others, and how to stand firm. Life teaches us certain values through these circumstances, and while it can be harsh, it also helps us grow stronger in our sense of self, from which we become wiser.

Many people come to realize, sometimes painfully, as in your case, that being too trusting can lead to repeated harm. Blood ties don’t automatically mean loyalty, respect, or that outcomes will always be positive. Family members can have just as many flaws as strangers, unless they’re actively working on themselves. Thankfully, many family members are also genuinely good people too who bring out good things, if not the best things in others.

In addition to what TG Blitzkreig said: Perhaps your previous binding wasn’t strong enough. You can wait for the upcoming Full Moon (Esbat). Esbats are powerful dates that greatly amplify magickal workings. The Full Moon on May 12th will be especially potent, as it falls under the sign of Scorpio. When you perform your working, be very precise with your wording when stating your affirmation. Clear, focused intention and visualization/imagination is key to make the binding very effective. It’s a great date for protection spells. Though, it might not remove your relative from your life entirely, but it can help shield you and your pets from further harm.