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Hey, I'm a new member but been a satanist for a few years now and I was wondering what other members thought about the 13th zodiac sign, Ophiuchus? I personally believe it should be counted and have found out that I have this sign in the moon most notably. Doing some research on the sign, I found out that it was removed from the zodiac due to many difficulties toward governments and their agendas to destroy the female side of the soul as well as oppress women, as this sign is the ultimate female sign of the zodiac. I asked both father Satan and my guardian demoness, Lillith (to which I'm very honored to have) through my pendulum, and they both agreed that this sign needs to be counted and acknowledged. The sign also represents the element ether, and was originally a woman holding a snake instead of a man, as you will commonly see now. Also, it helps balance the other signs, as it has no polarity. I thought this would be a great debate topic for fellow satanists as no one has really brought it up. The sign has also caused an uproar when NASA confirmed its existence and made people realize they wasn't the sign they thought they was, for example, I thought I was a Libra sun, but turns out I am really a Virgo and since then, my readings have been far more accurate. Plus this could also prove more Xian control to screw up spirituality for the masses by removing the female sign as well as just removing the sign altogether, throwing everyone off.

 

[sdometerium1827]

This is an amazing discovery!! I mean, I knew the existence of the 13th Zodiac sign but not deeply like that. Thank you for sharing this information. Ave Satani

 

[Shannon1]

Ophiuchus does NOT factor in with astrology.
Read this:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/JoS ... opics/2443


High Priestess Shannon

On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 12:22:54 AM PDT, Incomprendeme@... [JoyofSatan666] <[email protected] wrote:

  This is an amazing discovery!! I mean, I knew the existence of the 13th Zodiac sign but not deeply like that. Thank you for sharing this information. Ave Satani

 

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Ok, I read the article but it doesn't mention hardly any of the information I have found of this sign nor how the moon will go off it's usual path to move into this sign. There is so much hidden knowledge of this sign. How can you have a male zodiac sign and no female? And this has nothing to do with mood rings or personality discoveries and, I have a very clear understanding of my personal self. I'm also a free thinker, so I will always ask my own questions rather than just follow what I'm told, which is why I came to Satan anyhow. Personally, I feel this article serves no justice to debate, basically, read this and shut up. Satan told me to bring light to Ophiuchus and I did. And the whole, oops I guess you're an Aries now, somewhat proves my point on how humanity is walking through the dark with the exclusion of this sign. The traditional zodiac system is wrong due to alterations from leaders like Julius Caesar, hence the renaming of the month known as July, and doing away with the 28 day, 13 month system we use to have, which is why we have leap year to make corrections every 4 years, in favor of a more "simple" 12 month calendar.

 

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NASA didn't confirm Ophiuchus was a sign. NASA has not, and would never "confirm" anything about astrology other than that it's pseudoscientific bullshit(not my words). NASA is a purely astronomical and "scientific" agency and would never acknowledge any validity in astrology.

What they did confirm was that Ophiuchus was a constellation, not a sign. This is a massive difference, and astronomy is not the same thing as astrology. If they made an announcement that confirmed that the Big Dipper was a constellation, would you and the rest of the n(J)ew age astrology community that you get your opinions from suddenly proclaim it as the long lost 14th zodiac and start identifying yourselves as a Big Dipper Sun?

Ophiuchus as a sign doesn't offer anything new to the table and, contrary to what you believe, creates an imbalance in chart drawings. Before Ophiuchus, each sign was of equal size, and the zodiac was evenly divisible. After, both Scorpio and Libra both have to be sacrificed to make room for Ophiuchus, with Scorpio losing the majority of the territory(unsurprisingly, since this "13th sign" is essentially a clone of Scorpio). Now the zodiac is mathematically imbalanced.

It's clear that certain people are trying to make it into a sign and hype it up as a sign as a way of drumming up more business for themselves, selling books and readings and courses and whatnot. And it's a way to convince people that the reading or horoscope they got and everything they thought they knew about themselves was wrong, and that they can get a 2nd shot at an (innaccurate) interpretation that could do away with the things they don't like about themselves.

It sells clicks, it sells views, it sells services, and keeps writers employed. Not because it's "lost knowledge" but because it's a novelty, and novelty sells. And since it's oh so esoteric and mysterious, you can say whatever vague bullshit you want about it and nobody can hold you to account. It's the astrological equivalent of an auto shop selling you blinker fluid, but worse, because it misinforms people about themselves, others and their lives.


But don't take my word for it. Lydia is seen as an authority on astrology by most of the community. She doesn't acknowledge any astrological significance in the constellation, either.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/JoS ... sages/2443

Furthermore, there is only one sermon posted by the clergy that mentions Ophiuchus. It's half a decade old, predating NASA's announcement by 2 years, with no other mentions of Ophiuchus by them in a newsletter since. Again, this doesn't acknowledge any astrological significance in the constellation, but instead validates it as a spiritual concept as it relates to the magnum opus.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/JoS ... ssages/573

 

[Shannon1]

Someone already responded to you, a second time. "This whole father Satan told me" does not fly all the time as there have been many people coming here spewing that stuff, just because you say something doesnt make it valid.
Ophiuchus has already been expanded on and dicussed by our other well informed clergy members and Azazel and the other gods have NOT in any way deemed Ophiuchus as part of the zodiac, its just a constellation. 
We get this info from the gods and it works. You can continue to believe that but that is your issue and your situation to deal with.
Thanks.  
High Priestess Shannon

On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 8:10:46 PM EDT, zartonious@... [JoyofSatan666] <[email protected] wrote:

  Ok, I read the article but it doesn't mention hardly any of the information I have found of this sign nor how the moon will go off it's usual path to move into this sign. There is so much hidden knowledge of this sign. How can you have a male zodiac sign and no female? And this has nothing to do with mood rings or personality discoveries and, I have a very clear understanding of my personal self. I'm also a free thinker, so I will always ask my own questions rather than just follow what I'm told, which is why I came to Satan anyhow. Personally, I feel this article serves no justice to debate, basically, read this and shut up. Satan told me to bring light to Ophiuchus and I did. And the whole, oops I guess you're an Aries now, somewhat proves my point on how humanity is walking through the dark with the exclusion of this sign. The traditional zodiac system is wrong due to alterations from leaders like Julius Caesar, hence the renaming of the month known as July, and doing away with the 28 day, 13 month system we use to have, which is why we have leap year to make corrections every 4 years, in favor of a more "simple" 12 month calendar.

 

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"How can you have a male zodiac sign and no female?"
What are you trying to say? You're implying that there are no "feminine" signs in the zodiac. Which is completely false. Half are masculine, half are feminine, which the addition of a 13th sign of either gender would throw completely off kilter, further disrupting your claim about Ophiuchus "balancing" the zodiac. And by the way, the gendering of the signs isn't literal, it's allegorical.

For someone who claims to have done all of this research on astrology and to have found out all of these "secrets", you seem awfully lacking in knowledge on the most fundamental tenets of the system, which casts further doubt on the accuracy of your claims, as well as your divination methods. You say you're new and that you're a "free thinker" so you should be even more skeptical about the outcome of your divinations than anyone else, but it seems like you're emotionally invested in what you're trying to convey so maybe that's not so easy for you.

Being open minded and entertaining of new ideas is one thing but you need to be sure that you moderate your open mindedness with doses of skepticism and criticality. Only then will you really be able to call yourself a free thinker.

Now, so far it doesn't seem like you have a real basis for the claims you're making here. It seems more like you read some random essays strewn through the internet and you've come to a conclusion based on these that you're emotionally invested in being the case. If you do have a real argument to make, and evidence for the claims you're making, please put it together so we don't waste time going back and forth like this.

Otherwise, you should take more of what you read with a grain of salt. There's a lot of garbage on the net when it comes to spirituality, you need to be careful and aware enough to tell fact from fiction.

 

[aldrick.strickland88]

There are 88 constellations out there. They dont fit into whats going on here.

 

[dragonlingc]

Today, the stars themselves do not factor into popular (tropical) astrology with the precession of the equinoxes. I believe we are nearly an entire house off course now with our charts.

The ancient Hindu fixed star sidereal astrology has a far longer Aryan lineage and you can plot not just the future and the Will of the Gods, but your physical bearings in navigation anciently, as well to this very day, and until the cosmos itself flies apart. Heck, it will give you a printout of the night sky for a star gazing party or rite that will actually look right. But tropical is useful too, as is any cohesive mental pattern or tool that the human mind can successfully project its will out onto, and especially share with others. It might not be true or be the best system, tool, or make sense, or be scientifically or practically useful, but it does produce results, more or less. What "works" is relative. It makes more sense as a symbolic language.

If you are a truth worshipper, that is not necessarily a popular position. It's a lonely place to be and you won't find solace in the tabloids or amongst your friends, reading the Zodiac columns. For example, you are not going to be a witty conversationalist in Sanskrit. It is pretty much a liturgical/academic/machine language anymore.

What tropical does have is a loyal, devoted popular following and others to communicate with in a consensus supported "truth." Nature is far more complex than this, of course, but we are in a battle for survival these days and we don't really have the time for refinement and fine detail. Communication, though flawed, is far more important now.