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Atatürk Was a Psychopathic Jewish Dictator

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With this post I am hoping to inform some Turkish people who praise this jew and believe he was a great leader. Here are two links which prove it, I am copying and pasting the second article below in case it's censored in Turkey:


Information on Mustafa Kemal as a donmeh (It is interesting that the Jews refer to the donmeh, or, more correctly, the Sabbateans, as cultists – minim. That is, they are not considered goyim, or gentiles, those professing other faiths, but simply followers of a distorted version of Judaism) have always existed.

Early publications about Kemal always make mention of it. For example, the very first serious work on the First World War – the landmark work History of the War by the renowned British daily The Times, published in 22 parts during 1915-1922 – did not circumvent that fact. It states in particular: “Mustafa Kemal, reported by some to be of Salonika Jewish descent, only joined the Nationalist movement openly in June, 1919” (The Break-up of Turkey, The Times History of the War, vol. XXI, London, 1920, p. 433). Another well-known Western publication, the American Literary Digest, describes Mustafa Kemal in 1922 as “[a] Spanish Jew by ancestry, an orthodox Moslem by birth and breeding” (The Sort of Man Mustafa Kemal is, The Literary Digest, October 14, 1922, vol. 75, no. 2, pp. 50-53).

The aforementioned do not reveal anything essentially new, but they merely give an indication of the numerous such statements made in the press at the time on Mustafa Kemal’s donmeh origins. Let us add one or two more. The Associated Press news agency, citing the Grand Vizier of Turkey, mentions in an item of the 3rd of July, 1920: “Mustafa Kemal, (the Turkish nationalist leader) whom the great vizier presents as a Jew, was born a Turk and his parents were from Saloniki and were Deonmes, that is converts, as were the parents of Talat (A noteworthy reference to Talaat’s donmeh origins is preserved in the marriage memoirs of the celebrated journalist Zekeriya Sertel (1890-1980). Describing how he had to overcome many difficulties in order to marry a donmeh, Sabiha Dervish, he writes, “At our engagement, the representative for the girl’s side was then-Prime Minister Talat Pasha”. Rifat N. Bali, A Scapegoat for All Seasons: The Donmes or Crypto-Jews of Turkey, Istanbul, 2008, p. 161) and Djavid” (Takes Issue with Turk’s Statement about Armenians, by the Associated Press, The Evening Progress, Saturday, July 3, 1920, p. 5). One more informed source – a high-ranking Ottoman officer (pasha), and later author Achmed Abdullah, and also well-known businessman Leo Anavi (both Turkish spies in the British army, having met with Kemal on numerous occasions and very strong supporters of his) write that Kemal had Spanish-Jewish ancestry and his origins, as they say, was “not even of Osmanli blood” (Achmed Abdullah, Leo Anavi, The Rise of Mustapha Kemal Pasha from Obscurity, The Bridgeport Telegram, September 28, 1922, p. 4). This fact was so widespread in the 1920s that no-one thought of questioning it. It is not without reason that one of the greatest historians of the twentieth century, Arnold Toynbee, likewise believed Mustafa Kemal to have donmeh origins (John Gunther, Procession, New York, 1965, p. 98; John Gunther, Inside Europe, New York, 1938, p. 417). The donmeh roots of Mustafa Kemal are also to be found in the works of such an informed figure when it comes to crypto-Jews as Joachim Prinze (1902-1988), who was president of the American Jewish Congress from 1958 to 1966. He writes: “Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent doenmehs. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and had adopted the name of Ataturk. His opponents tried to use his doenmeh background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna” (Joachim Prinz, The Secret Jews, New York, 1973, p. 122). That Mustafa Kemal was of Jewish descent was a widespread belief among the people of Turkey as well. Jews of Salonika (Thessaloniki) always held to the opinion that Mustafa Kemal was a donmeh (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0005_0_05294.html). The Jews think so to this day. An entry on Mustafa Kemal can be found on the Jewish Virtual Library online, a website which lists information on celebrated Jewish figures or those of Jewish background (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0012_0_11019.html).

The Turkish public had and continues to have this same opinion. An interesting report from 1933 of the US Embassy in Ankara has been preserved. A survey concluded that a majority of those asked believed that the cause of the natural disasters punishing the country had been its leader’s Jewish roots. One in particular said, “It is that Jew (meaning the President) who is pushing us into the abyss” (US Diplomatic Documents on Turkey, Family life in the Turkish Republic of the 1930s, ed. Rifat N. Bali, Istanbul, 2007, p. 57). It is evident that such talk went so far in Turkey that the authorities passed a “Law on Crimes Committed Against Ataturk” (#5816, 31 July, 1951) to punish as a crime any public insult or dishonour on the memory of Ataturk (Rifat N. Bali, A Scapegoat for All Seasons: The Donmes or Crypto-Jews of Turkey, Istanbul, 2008, p. 227). According to the law, such a “crime” would be punishable by one to three years imprisonment, up to five years in some cases (ibid). Let us recall that such racist attitudes prevail in Turkey to this day; Armenians and Jews are considered to be second-class beings. People are even punished in that country for calling anyone an Armenian or a Jew, as that is considered to be an insult. It can be concluded from the above that it has always been well-known that the Father of the Turks – Ataturk – was not a Turk, even though such information has always been glossed over. Now let us see what basis there is in considering Mustafa Kemal to be a donmeh. First the arguments, that is, indirect facts, which indicate the probability of Mustafa Kemal’s donmeh background. Scholars have firstly pointed out the fact that Mustafa was born and raised in a city, Salonika, the majority of the population of which was Jewish in the mid-nineteenth century. Actually, Salonika was the only city in the world at the time (until Tel-Aviv was founded in 1909) with a majority Jewish population. If we add to the city’s Jews the donmeh population, who were traditionally counted among the Muslims, then the Jews and converted Jews (the donmeh) would make up an absolute majority of the population. This is why Salonika was called the Jerusalem of the Balkans then (ibid. p. 250).

The British Ambassador in Constantinople, Sir Gerard Lowther (1858-1916), shares the information in his communique to the Foreign Office of the 29th of May, 1910, that Salonika has a “population of about 140,000, of whom 80,000 are Jews, and 20,000 of the sect of Sabatai Levi (“Shavatai Tzvi” or “Shabtai Zvi”; … “Geyik” is simply the Turkish equivalent of “Zvi”, meaning “deer” or “stag”. Rifat N. Bali, ibid. p. 39) or Crypto-Jews, who externally profess Islam” (Elie Kedurie, Young Turks, Freemasons and Jews, Middle Eastern Studies, v. 7, no. 1 (Jan. 1971), p. 94). Greeks, Bulgarians, and Vlachs (Romanians) were also prominent communities in the city. There were at least 13,000 Christians (Marc Baer, Globalization, Cosmopolitanism, and the Donme on Ottoman and Turkish Istanbul, Journal of World History, vol. 18, # 2 (Jan. 2007), p. 150). There were very few Armenians, only about 45 individuals (Kazim Nami Duru (1876-1967), Arnavutluk ve Makedonya Hatiralarim (1959). In: Rifat N. Bali, ibid. p. 119). That is, in the time when Mustafa was born, only one out of seven of the inhabitants of Salonika was Muslim (and not just Turkish), while the Jews or the donmeh comprised three-fourths of the population. The Turks, as a Turkish politician who lived in Salonika at the time said, were not many, simply “more than a few” (ibid). It is also very significant to note that Mustafa’s family lived in a non-Muslim district of Salonika: “Mustafa Kemal lived [during his childhood in Salonika] in a quarter in which [non-Muslim] minorities lived” (ibid. p. 244). Considering the community-based millet system of the Ottoman Empire, where each member of a community would live alongside his co-religionists and fellow community members, then this fact certainly becomes very important indeed.

The next fact to which we shall turn also has to do with the Ottoman community system. Each community of the Empire had its own schools and other educational establishments, maintained by the community’s means.

The sole exception was the dominant Turkish element, for which there were state-sponsored schools. It is a well-known fact that Mustafa was first briefly sent to the Turkish Hafiz Mehmet school (Barbara K. Walker, Filiz Erol, and Mine Erol, To Set Them Free, The Early Years of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, New Hampshire, 1981, p. 26), and then to the Shemsi Effendi (or Chemsi Effendi) school (H. C. Armstrong, Gray Wolf: An Intimate Study of a Dictator, New York, 1933, p. 5). The Shemsi Effendi (the real name being “Shimon Zwi”) (Rifat N. Bali, ibid. pp. 36-37) school was one of the schools of Salonika’s donmeh community. In Ottoman society, the schools were established not just according to community, but also to sub-communal divisions. As the donmehs of Salonika were divided into three groups – Yakubi, Karakash, Kapanchi (Cengiz Sisman, The History of naming the Ottoman / Turkish Sabbatians, p. 50; in Studies on Istanbul and Beyond, The Freely Papers, v. I, 2007, pp. 37-53) – according to the question of who would succeed Sabata (The Donmes in the Memoirs of Fuat Andic, in Rifat N. Bali, ibid. p. 126), each had its own school: the Fryz-i Ati for the Yakubi, the Feyziye for the Karakash (established in 1883-84), and the Yadigar-i Terakki for the Kapanchi (established in 1879) (Rifat N. Bali, ibid. p. 126. Marc Baer, ibid. p. 154). As we know for sure that Mustafa Kemal attended the Feyziye school, about which he himself spoke in a 1922 interview (Reported by A. Emin (Yalman), “Buyuk Millet Meclisi Reisi Başkumandan Mustafa Kemal Pasa ile bir mulakat [An Interview with Mustafa Kemal Pasha, President of the Grand National Assembly and Commander-in-Chief; in Turkish]”, Vakit (Turkish Daily), 10 January, 1922), then we can likely surmise that he was a Karakash donmeh. Also, Mehmed Djavid Bey (Mehmet Cavit Bey) was a Karakash as well; he was the principal of the Feyziye school until he became the Finance Minister of the Ottoman Empire in 1908 (Rifat N. Bali, ibid. p. 120). It is very unlikely that Mustafa (later Kemal, and then, Ataturk) would have attended a donmeh school as a Turk. Ottoman society, as has already been mentioned, was structured on its communities and the distinctions among them were strictly maintained. Thus, the families of each community would send their children to their community’s schools alone. For example, although among the hundreds of Armenian schools of the Ottoman Empire there must have been at least a few of high renown, we do not have an example of even a single child of a Turkish family to have attended any one. As some would try to demonstrate nowadays, even if we admit to how progressive Mustafa’s father Ali Riza may have been, wishing for a European education for his child – an assumption for which we have no basis – then consider that Salonika had more prominent French and Italian schools at the time (ibid. p. 126). It must be emphasised at the same time that the donmeh community was very self-contained. Aliens could not be a part of that community.

The code of conduct of the donmeh demanded that they not have any relations with other Muslims (Marc Baer, ibid. p. 143). That is, if Mustafa were not donmeh, then his attendance of a donmeh school would have been unacceptable both for orthodox Muslims as well as for donmehs. It must also be borne in mind that the schools of the Ottoman Empire did not have a single curriculum and that the children would not just receive a regular education in their community schools, but also be taught national or religious subjects. It is important to note that in the Ottoman Empire, as with elsewhere at the time, there were no secular schools as we would call them today. All schools, no matter how progressive they may have been, would include elements of religious education. The classes would begin, for the most part, with the chief prayers of the given religion or denomination. As the best scholars of the issue have stated, “The Semsi Efendi school continued to teach and practice Donme religious rituals” (ibid. p. 153). The school simultaneously aimed at establishing relations among the donmeh (ibid): “Unlike other Muslims, the Donme maintained a belief that Shabtai Tzvi was the messiah, practiced kabalistic rituals, and recited prayers in Ladino, the language of Ottoman Jewry” (ibid. p. 143). Mustafa Kemal’s belief in kabbalistic signs, in the power of the occult, was maintained throughout his life. According to one account, a green square cloth was to be found on his desk, with esoteric markings. The same account indicates that Kemal, an infidel from the Islamic point of view, believed in the virtue of those signs (H. C. Armstrong, ibid. p. 143). Ultimately, men believe in the things which they have been taught to believe since their childhood. Accordingly, we may note that Mustafa Kemal received not just a general education at the Shemsi Effendi school, but also received religious upbringing. The education ran so deep that even decades later he would still recall the prayers he had learnt.

It is not without reason that the tombstone of Shemsi Effendi himself is marked as “Muallim Semsi Ef.[fendi] Ataturkun hocasi”, that is, “the teacher of Ataturk”. What is noteworthy as well is that Shemsi Effendi (Shimon Zwi) is being referred to not just as Ataturk’s “muallim”, teacher, but his “hoca”, mentor or preceptor, a religious guide. Doubtless all of the aforementioned are serious arguments in favour of Mustafa Kemal being a donmeh. Now let us see if there are records of direct facts supporting the claim. Strange as though it may seem, some do indeed exist. Among such accounts, the most important is, of course, that of the memoirs of Itamar Ben-Avi, who described a meeting with Mustafa Kemal in 1911 in the Hotel Kamenitz, as the latter was en route to Libya to take part in the Italo-Turkish War. Itamar Ben-Avi (1882-1943) was the son of the Father of Modern Hebrew, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, being the first child to in modern times to speak Hebrew. He cites the following from what Mustafa Kemal said: “ ‘… At home I have a very old Tenakh (The Tenakh or Tanakh is the word for the Hebrew Bible. It is an abbreviation, “TaNaKh”, based on the initials of three words – Torah, Nevi’im, Ketuvim – referring to parts of the Bible as collections of Hebrew teaching) printed in Venice, and if I remember correctly my father sent me to a Karaite (Karaites include Crimean Turkish Jews) teacher who thought me to read it: a few words have remained with me, like …’. At that point he paused for a moment and his eyes [looked as if he was] searching the air. Then, just as suddenly, he remembered: ‘Shma’a Israel, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Echad!’ (Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! (Deuteronomy, 6:4)) ‘That’s our greatest prayer, Captain Sir.’ ‘And also my secret prayer, Cher Monsieur,’ he answered and poured us both another drink” (Itamar Ben-Avi, Im Shahar Atzmautenu: Zichronoto shel HaYeled Ha’lvri HaRishon (At the Dawn of Our Independence: the Memoirs of the First Hebrew Child), 1961, pp. 213-218). Some, with political implications in mind, have doubted the veracity of this account. As a main argument, they say that Captain Mustafa Kemal travelled by sea from Istanbul to Alexandria in Egypt to take part in the Italo-Turkish War (18 December, 1911 – to 24 October, 1912), and so could not have been in Jerusalem at the time (Andrew Mango, Ataturk, London, 1999, p. 452). This is a distortion of the facts, if not an outright falsification. The facts undeniably state that Mustafa Kemal took a land route to Libya, passing through Syria and Palestine. The following statement comes from the British spy Harold Armstrong, who was well aware of issues pertaining to the Middle East at the time: “Except by the long route through Syria and Egypt, Turkey was cut off from North Africa. The Italians had control of the sea and had closed the Dardanelles. […] With two friends Mustafa Kemal took the land route. They traveled across Asia Minor and down by Syria and Palestine, using the railway where it existed, but doing the rest on horseback or with carriage” (H. C. Armstrong, ibid. p. 31).

It is completely unreasonable to believe that Itamar Ben-Avi would have made up such a story in his memoirs, especially as the motivation for it would be unclear. Ben-Avi did not even know in writing his memoirs whether or not they would even be published. He died in 1943 and his memoirs were not published until 1961; the aforementioned section remained unnoticed for a very long time. Mustafa Kemal himself once gave a very interesting answer to an almost direct question from one of his close friends, Nuri Conker, about his roots. Kemal replied, “For me as well as some people want to say that I’m a Jew – because I was born in Salonica. But it must not be forgotten that Napoleon was an Italian from Corsica, yet he died a Frenchman and has passed into history as such” (Rifat N. Bali, A Scapegoat for All Seasons: The Donmes or Crypto-Jews of Turkey, Istanbul, 2008, p. 248). It is with confidence that one may say that, apart from his origins, Mustafa Kemal lived and died as a Turk, a real Turk. In the Armenian sense of the word – a Turk. In that case, a question may arise: what difference does it make where Mustafa Kemal’s roots lay? For me, none whatsoever. However, as it is an important point for racist Turkish society, therefore it is for them that all of these facts have been put forth on display. Enjoy.
 
Reality proves otherwise. It is undeniable Ataturk was an excellent statesman, not at all a psychopathic dictator, and certainly not a jewish one.

Read this as well:
 
Pure bullshit. What were you thinking when you trusted the sources you sent? Do you believe everything you see on the internet? You don't seem like someone who should be taken seriously.

Ataturk is our saviour and our most important cultural value. You cannot compare him to the jews.
 
In my estimation, this is really not true. The Atajew site is by retarded Islamists, while the other article (which at least has a lot of citations) is from an Armenian propaganda site. I appreciate you posted something with a lot of sources and citations here, but it seems very loaded.

Dönmeh Jews were not some hyper elitist Jewish sect, they intermarried with the ruling class of Turks and others by the 19th century. Their system of religion had clear Islamic elements by this point, even if many were pretending. Also, they were the primary 'westernizing' group in Salonica by that time.

It is difficult in a city with a 56 percent or so Jewish population not to go to some sort of educational institution where Jews are at least present. Jews tended to control modern oral education in Islamic countries, even through the so-called 'French schools'.

To top it all off, Shemsi Effendi is not Shimon Zvi. These are two different individuals, although both are Jews. The claim Shemsi Effendi started a 'school for Jews' is not correct. It was a modernizing school which taught French and Greek, but also Arabic. It had Muslim Turkish students and the reason for that was because Muslim parents saw the French-style schools as encouraging total apostasy, while the Dönmeh ones were relatively modern and catered to both sexes yet encouraged Islamic virtues and an education in the Qu'ran. I can't find any evidence that Hebrew or Ladino was taught at them, let alone kabbalah-blah shit.

Zübeyde Hanım, Ataturk's mother, was a devout Muslim, and as a child he was also sent to an Islamic school and she opposed the idea of him going to the Effendi-run one, which is basically unthinkable for a Jew at that point.

The Ottoman state found the Islamic emphasis in these schools to be in line with their goals which prompted them to fund them, and they also found these schools useful due to their lack of connection with foreign powers:

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To send a confirmed Jew to both an Islamic school and then a mainstream Turkish elite school first with so many Jewish schools already there also makes little sense. It is possible, but it certainly is not the choice that the article is consistent with promoting. Jews also had a completely separate system of educational institutions in Salonica with 100 percent Jewish attendance.

Also, one of the reasons these schools were set up and funded rapidly is that many in Salonica only spoke Bulgarian or Vlach, and the Ottoman authorities saw this as a major stumbling block to creating an Ottoman identity and a factor drawing people away from Islam. So how would that make sense if the schools like Feyziye were only attended by Jews?

Much as I appreciate the citations involved here, the author also does confuse Albanian with Armenian.

If we are to talk about the prevalence of Jews among the Young Turks and their influence in exterminating Greeks (which even declassified British intelligence files speak about) and their influence upon Ataturk that is a different story. Even then, the history of Greece and Turkey by themselves against each other is very ugly in this regard, without direct Jewish probing per se.

Beyond such influences, the behavior does not track Jewish. As the Atajew site says, this was the biggest enemy and destroyer of Islam, perhaps ever, and he did not encourage communism either. He also renamed the city on the Bosphorus from the name of the scum Constantine to something else.

HPHC's post is more revealing on this.
 

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