White Turk here, am I Aryan?

[AliPasha]

Hello everyone.

I have been into genetics for a couple years now. I found out a lot of things regarding my ancestry and have also visited the villages we originate from.

My maternal great grandpa is from a Greek village in Anatolia, his wife is a normal Turk, though untraceable ancestry.

My paternal side is completely untraceable. Only though dna testing have I figured out that side of my family. Haplogroup is I-Z17855, a Slavic one originating in Ukraine. So most likely Muslim Balkan Slavs who moved to Turkey after the Balkan wars.

I am wondering if i am able to call myself Aryan. Currently I do consider myself at least of Partial Aryan descent, I do also descent from Central Asian Mongoloids, who obviously aren't Aryans, but since I personally look like a Balkan guy and have European features (Pale Skin, Dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, people have said i look stereotypical Balkan) I think I have a right to do so.

But I am wondering what you guys say?

 

[Egon]

Brown hair and eyes aren't European features, let alone dark. https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=144215#p144215
These darker traits are from your Mongol and possibly some Moor ancestors too. Just go with a date that has the same looks/similar region as you, this can be anywhere from Balkans, Russia (there are many people with some mix in there), to Portugal.

There's some mix in there which is not a big deal, you may be considered White - or maybe not depending how much mixed you are since you said people say you look stereotypical Balkanic which usually means looks like the Arab couple below, although both of them could easily pass as a Portuguese:

 

[AliPasha]

Balkaners don't look Arabic though?

Most of them are white. I used to live in Bulgaria and ethnic Bulgarians were white and the brown ones were Gypsies (Roma), who identify as native Bulgarians or Turks when they migrate elsewhere.

 

[Egon]

Not like traditional Arabs, who are basically mulattoes, but a lot do look like the light skinned ones who are still mixed race regardless.

Balkaners don't look Arabic though?

 

[existentialcrisis]

Brown hair and eyes aren't European features, let alone dark. https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=144215#p144215
These darker traits are from your Mongol and possibly some Moor ancestors too. Just go with a date that has the same looks/similar region as you, this can be anywhere from Balkans, Russia (there are many people with some mix in there), to Portugal.

There's some mix in there which is not a big deal, you may be considered White - or maybe not depending how much mixed you are since you said people say you look stereotypical Balkanic which usually means looks like the Arab couple below, although both of them could easily pass as a Portuguese:

I disagree with this comparison. The male is obviously arab, he does not look anything like a white person. The moroccan woman could pass generically as Mediterranean especially to the unaware but is also clearly mystery meat and doesn't look like any specific ethnicity, let alone a european one. She has some strange features besides. I would not consider her strictly white.

I also disagree with comparing Balkan people generically to arab people. The balkans are a very diverse area with alot of different ethnic groups and races. They cannot be generalized as being any one race, one has to go on a case by case basis, whether that's by nation or individual. And as for arab people being "mulatto", I don't know where you are getting this from, I have never heard of this. They are a pretty distinct group of peoples, not generically "mulatto".

The safest thing for OP to do is to find someone from his ethnic group and culture. With meditation, you grow to understand who you really are and who you belong with. There are also racial awareness workings for mixed people to find out who they are and belong with.

 

[666t666]

Hello everyone.

I have been into genetics for a couple years now. I found out a lot of things regarding my ancestry and have also visited the villages we originate from.

My maternal great grandpa is from a Greek village in Anatolia, his wife is a normal Turk, though untraceable ancestry.

My paternal side is completely untraceable. Only though dna testing have I figured out that side of my family. Haplogroup is I-Z17855, a Slavic one originating in Ukraine. So most likely Muslim Balkan Slavs who moved to Turkey after the Balkan wars.

I am wondering if i am able to call myself Aryan. Currently I do consider myself at least of Partial Aryan descent, I do also descent from Central Asian Mongoloids, who obviously aren't Aryans, but since I personally look like a Balkan guy and have European features (Pale Skin, Dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, people have said i look stereotypical Balkan) I think I have a right to do so.

But I am wondering what you guys say?

As a person of Turkish descent, you belong to the Mediterranean white race, similar to the Greeks. Though the Turks did originate from Central Asia, only a small number migrated to take control of the region. Later, they intermixed with the local people – the Mediterranean whites residing in Anatolia. This new generation identified themselves as "Turks" based solely on their dominance in the area without any significant ethnic ties to Central Asia.

The Turks residing in the eastern regions have intermingled with the Kurds and Arabs of the area, resulting in a diverse range of Turkish individuals. Turks with blonde hair and blue eyes are more common in the western part of Anatolia, whereas those who resemble Arabs can be found in the southeast of Turkey.

Consequently, Turkish people share similar ethnicities with Greeks and should be regarded likewise. The modern-day Turkish population only bears the name of the ancient Turks who once ruled the region thousands of years ago. Genetically, while there may be some mixed ancestry, the Turkish population residing in Anatolia is predominantly of Mediterranean white descent.

 

[AliPasha]

I agree.

The issue is I am a 4th generation Turk in Germany. I am culturally alienated from my roots.
I never could get along with Turks here. I was always either "The Greek dude" or "The German".

I lived in Turkey a couple months. Never will be going back there. My hometown literally looks like Afghanistan. I expected people to share similar features to me or my dad, but nope. They were all pretty dark, hooked nosed and Islamic. Not to mention the annoying Islamic chants every 4 hours or so.

I felt much more at home in Bulgaria. Funnily enough I also had trouble with Turks there as well, who thought I was native Balkan Slav.

So I will most likely move back to the Balkans after I am done with school. Sadly Germany is going down the shitter as well. German culture, values and ethnicity are all almost wiped out.

Recent study suggests that 51% of 14 year olds are Muslim, while 49% are christian native Germans. Horrible.

My teachers are middle eastern guys and communists who victimize themselves and badmouth Germany. And every German nods along. Its very bothersome. These migrants and traitors have penetrated every institution and governmental position and now drive Europe into ruin....

 

[Egon]

And as for arab people being "mulatto", I don't know where you are getting this from, I have never heard of this. They are a pretty distinct group of peoples, not generically "mulatto".

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18382
They're brown people who a lot of them loot exactly like north-eastern Brazilians as I exemplified in the thread I talk about mixed race people: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85707
Which is to say either tri-racial or mulattoes which is exactly how both of these groups got their looks, which in the case of Arabs was a mix of Romans with African negroes who migrated to the North or the left-behind White Egyptians or Berbers who mixed with the same, or from negro Moors who brought European slaves to the area. Then you have a range of people like the couple you can find in North Africa or even "locals" you can find in Portugal, Spain and Italy as a result of the Moor invasion - to severely 80%+ Negro looking individuals like the Egyptian party song on that thread, who look exactly if you meed people from north-eastern Brazil, which is how the Arab/North African "race" came about - just varying which tribes of Negroes mixed with which Whites, and to what degrees in what areas.
In other words, this type of African, with Europeans, over several centuries became their own race or sub-races.

As for the Balkan "looks" as I said I'm not talking about any diversity in the area I do know even Arabs are very diverse, he said specifically stereotypical - while being Turkish - and I've seen plenty of examples of Greeks and Turks and some others around who look like the two example I gave who are both Arabs but one looks more White than the other just in case, since he said he's also very pale skinned, while both being a result from the same admixture (because obviously Greece and Turkey were also colonized by islamists while Turkey had more White-Mongol mixture).

 

[AliPasha]

Hello everyone.

I have been into genetics for a couple years now. I found out a lot of things regarding my ancestry and have also visited the villages we originate from.

My maternal great grandpa is from a Greek village in Anatolia, his wife is a normal Turk, though untraceable ancestry.

My paternal side is completely untraceable. Only though dna testing have I figured out that side of my family. Haplogroup is I-Z17855, a Slavic one originating in Ukraine. So most likely Muslim Balkan Slavs who moved to Turkey after the Balkan wars.

I am wondering if i am able to call myself Aryan. Currently I do consider myself at least of Partial Aryan descent, I do also descent from Central Asian Mongoloids, who obviously aren't Aryans, but since I personally look like a Balkan guy and have European features (Pale Skin, Dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, people have said i look stereotypical Balkan) I think I have a right to do so.

But I am wondering what you guys say?

As a person of Turkish descent, you belong to the Mediterranean white race, similar to the Greeks. Though the Turks did originate from Central Asia, only a small number migrated to take control of the region. Later, they intermixed with the local people – the Mediterranean whites residing in Anatolia. This new generation identified themselves as "Turks" based solely on their dominance in the area without any significant ethnic ties to Central Asia.

The Turks residing in the eastern regions have intermingled with the Kurds and Arabs of the area, resulting in a diverse range of Turkish individuals. Turks with blonde hair and blue eyes are more common in the western part of Anatolia, whereas those who resemble Arabs can be found in the southeast of Turkey.

Consequently, Turkish people share similar ethnicities with Greeks and should be regarded likewise. The modern-day Turkish population only bears the name of the ancient Turks who once ruled the region thousands of years ago. Genetically, while there may be some mixed ancestry, the Turkish population residing in Anatolia is predominantly of Mediterranean white descent.

Hitler also recognized Turks as a European Volk as far as I know, but he did so begrudgingly and because there was an incident of racism against a half Turkish half German kid in Germany called Johannes Ruppert. Father was a Turk and mom was a German which led him to be kicked out of the Hitler youth.

Turks later pressured the German government to make a stance on the Aryanism of Turkish people and they declared them European.

Interesting story, though I consider Turks to be mixed as they also descent from Turkics. Germany also most likely did it to not lose Turkey as a trading partner and potential war ally.

 

[ThunderLightnings]

I agree.

The issue is I am a 4th generation Turk in Germany. I am culturally alienated from my roots.
I never could get along with Turks here. I was always either "The Greek dude" or "The German".

I lived in Turkey a couple months. Never will be going back there. My hometown literally looks like Afghanistan. I expected people to share similar features to me or my dad, but nope. They were all pretty dark, hooked nosed and Islamic. Not to mention the annoying Islamic chants every 4 hours or so.

I felt much more at home in Bulgaria. Funnily enough I also had trouble with Turks there as well, who thought I was native Balkan Slav.

So I will most likely move back to the Balkans after I am done with school. Sadly Germany is going down the shitter as well. German culture, values and ethnicity are all almost wiped out.

Recent study suggests that 51% of 14 year olds are Muslim, while 49% are christian native Germans. Horrible.

My teachers are middle eastern guys and communists who victimize themselves and badmouth Germany. And every German nods along. Its very bothersome. These migrants and traitors have penetrated every institution and governmental position and now drive Europe into ruin....

You have no idea how gratifying it is to hear that a person chooses his place of residence primarily based on his genetics .

The biological diversity and identity of human races is the greatest treasure we can have . And it is thanks to people like you that this treasure continues to exist , and in the future it will multiply .

 

[SyraS_666]

Another example of how even the offspring of immigrants can reverse and correct their situations.

Yes, they don't have to continue on the mistakes and conditions of their parents/grandparents,
nor do they have to fulfill some sort of chaotic disorderly Jewish/Islamic prophecy/plan by being immigrants.

Everything can be reversed, corrected, healed and brought to order with Spiritual Satanism and our Gods/Demons.

 

[SyraS_666]

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As for the Balkan "looks" as I said I'm not talking about any diversity in the area I do know even Arabs are very diverse, he said specifically stereotypical - while being Turkish - and I've seen plenty of examples of Greeks and Turks and some others around who look like the two example I gave who are both Arabs but one looks more White than the other just in case, since he said he's also very pale skinned, while both being a result from the same admixture (because obviously Greece and Turkey were also colonized by islamists while Turkey had more White-Mongol mixture).

Stereotypical Mediterranean "Arabic" Greeks did more for the European/Western Civilization
than the rest of the western-European stereotypical "Super-Blondies" combined.

Not to forget the achievements of our cousins from the Mediterranean Roman-Empire.

The Ottoman-Empire was Mediterranean as well, with a touch of Turkic and Islam,
it conquered all of the Arabs and almost all of western Europe.
Now Turkey is considered one of the strongest military force in NATO and the World.

 

[Egon]

Stereotypical Mediterranean "Arabic" Greeks did more for the European/Western Civilization
than the rest of the western-European stereotypical "Super-Blondies" combined.

They didn't. The ones who did were/are as Germanic as their "Western European" brothers. They did not look like today's brown looking Greeks/Arabs/Turks (again not saying ALL of them, but a striking number of mongrels, while some still look White), however they mixed themselves into almost extinction (or where invaded and raped by the browns of today), which allowed christardanity/Jewry to rise and spread, and so the "civilizators" no longer look like this:

But this instead:

Attila Hildmann, Turkish/"German" nationalist (and islamist):

<Sure they milk it off but they didn't create it.

 

[SyraS_666]

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Nope, they were not Germanic or "Indo-Germanic" or else they would have said that.
Out of someones own mouth, words and texts they will tell you who they are.

There is not one text where the ancient Greeks themselves or ancient Romans themselves
or other civilizations in Europe claimed to be Germanic or something else.
As far as i know only Germans themselves claim that.
If someone is Germanic or something else, it comes out of his mouth often, which didn't happen.

It's okay, not everything perceived as stronger or superior culturally in Europe has to be Germanic, that's a good thing.
And comparing handpicked pictures with ancient Statues won't change that.

And being mixed has nothing to do with the rise of Christianity or Islam,
because we have many members here in the Forums who are mixed race/sub-race who were former Christians/Muslims.
Also what about the majority of Germans and other western Europeans who were and are still Christians
by their own convictions? Where is their "superior and pure" Germanic DNA and Soul?

By they way, if someone "white" Turkish or Greek were to go to his Father and say
"Father you are Germanic!" or "Father you are Arabic!" - he would get slapped.
Also if someone else would say that to him, he would get slapped.

And don't get me wrong, i have no problem with any Gentile people.

 

[Egon]

Nope, they were not Germanic or "Indo-Germanic" or else they would have said that.

That has nothing to do with anything I implied, as I was talking about race here, could have called them "Blondies" like your disdainful, quasi anti-White spiel because of me stating common sense regarding the race of these people. Could have called the Greeks as "Nordic" as well but would have been a bit far fetched. "French is not aryan they is French my duuuude". Same difference, irrelevant geopolitics.
Today's mogrels living along with "Mediterraneans" or being called "Mediterraneans" have nothing to do with the development of civilization. You can also have Turks living in Germany, or mongrel Arabs living in France for a couple hundred years (if nothing was to be done) from now and Whites being mongrelized to extinction, then claim "We wuz mediterraneans and shiet, we built the Palace of Versailles and shiet, we's built a lot more for civilization than the useless blondies, do you see any of them here? thats the proof my duuude", or whatever to fulfill one's infirority complex, just another form of egalitarianism or brand of anti-White desdain against White "Whites" (specially Germanic/Norse "barbarians").

 

[Egon]

because we have many members here in the Forums who are mixed race/sub-race who were former Christians/Muslims.

Thanks for informing me I'm new to this forum. So race mixing is cool then, we could all race mix then dedicate to Satan later (and all of them they will because they created civilization and shieeet and we is all equals) lol, because as we know exceptions are always the rule.
We should make a trigger warnings every time anyone states a bit of common sense regarding race and sexuality.
Using exceptions as the rule is the retardation of leftwing people don't be like them. "Dude I saw this one black dude who can do the same things as a White dude so all your claims about race are wrooonnggg!!!"

Also what about the majority of Germans and other western Europeans who were and are still Christians
by their own convictions? Where is their "superior and pure" Germanic DNA and Soul?

You forget to mention these regions also have the highest rejection to christardanity as well. Nordic regions all the way to countries like Japan. Even when these people do accept it christianity it becomes a weird mix with paganism and they can't fully accept a total judaic religion.

And being mixed has nothing to do with the rise of Christianity or Islam,

Race mixing breaks downs a nation's ability to resist the rise of abrahamist programs. Race mixing has EVERYTHING to do with Christianity or Islam, why do you think these are globalist religions. Rome got darker and darker and fell to christardanity then it got invaded by Moors and Ottomans.

Germanics both fought against Rome (and won) and they live in Central/more to the North of Europe and the Moorish rapists didn't get that far, and regions that were closer to the middle east got mixed to a much greater extent, and regions where islam took over are fully mongrelized or 99% so. It is not quantum physics to understand.

Why do you think the Whitest countries are the most enforced to take in abrahamist rapefugees, these regions didn't really fall for the other form of abrahamism so they must be filled with mongrels who lost touch with their Pagan past (our biology is religion, if you lose your ancestry you lose your past as well).

 

[Wotanwarrior]

SyraS_666

Egon

In ancient times, Western whites such as Greeks, Phoenicians, Romans, etc., also had blond and red hair and blue eyes.
Before racial mixing began there were no whites with brown eyes, it is a cliché that is constantly promoted to deceive people.

Many historical characters that (((Hollywood))) promotes with dark features as in the case of the Egyptian queen Cleopatra is totally false.

 

[SyraS_666]

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I also forgot to add.
Compare the cultural expression, architecture, literature and Soul of the ancient Greeks and Romans
- with that of the old Germanic Tribes and other Northerners, or even the people of today.

These are two different Souls.
It's distinct and not the same at all, it's like Fire and Ice, no comparison really.
All that time and still, the West or North didn't produce anything of the same cultural value.

Calling them Germanic or that Björn from Sweden is responsible for all of the achievements in the South,
is ridiculous.

Rather, the ancient Greeks and Romans were a distinct group of Aryans and still are.
If you think that any Aryan that doesn't look like Björn from Sweden or Hans from Hamburg is a Mongrel or Arab,
that's your opinion, but i disagree.

 

[SyraS_666]

Stereotypical Mediterranean "Arabic" Greeks did more for the European/Western Civilization
than the rest of the western-European stereotypical "Super-Blondies" combined.

They didn't. The ones who did were/are as Germanic as their "Western European" brothers. They did not look like today's brown looking Greeks/Arabs/Turks (again not saying ALL of them, but a striking number of mongrels, while some still look White), however they mixed themselves into almost extinction (or where invaded and raped by the browns of today), which allowed christardanity/Jewry to rise and spread, and so the "civilizators" no longer look like this:
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Here is an accurate example of some famous ancient Greeks and how they looked:
(i can confirm it's accurate because i see them everyday with my own eyes)

Ancient Greeks - Real Faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHXmz2Gco4
Ancient Greeks - Real Faces - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq5JvWUMJE4

And as a contrast/example, here is a modern Greek family from Crete:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD92f0S0xRI

 

[Elite]

Here is an accurate example of some famous ancient Greeks and how they looked:
(i can confirm it's accurate because i see them everyday with my own eyes)

Ancient Greeks - Real Faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHXmz2Gco4
Ancient Greeks - Real Faces - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq5JvWUMJE4

And as a contrast/example, here is a modern Greek family from Crete:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD92f0S0xRI

I do not think these videos are representing the truth that much. People think just because they lived in that country, that everyone has to look same. But in reality, you go to a place, and you see a lot of phenotypes, including your exceptions, but other types as well.

To me, it is obvious Plato was a mix of Alpinid and Pontid, while Aristotle is still being Alpinid, a more Nordic type like you can find in Switzerland or France. I saw people almost exactly looking like them. And I saw people almost looking exactly like Caesar (Mediterranid). Zeno is an Atlanto-Mediterranid (maybe with some Dinarid features) as far as I can classify.

As far as Alexander the Great, it is obvious he is a Hallstatt Nordid (I saw a Turk who is a Hallstatt Nordid, there are Nordics even in here), and Alcibiades as well. Pythagoras is a pure Meditarranid, maybe. I am not that professional in this but I can say this much. Even Polemon wrote about these Nordic and Mediterranid looking people, and High Priest Hoodedcobra666 as well.

And lastly, Ptolemy, maybe a direct Pontid or a mix of Pontid and Nordid. It differs from a bust to another.

I think due to Greece being an ancient civilization, it is inevitable to have both Nordic and Mediterranid looking people. Even some Pharaohs were blonde, and there are Chinese records a few emperors have red or blonde hair. I do not think it is a bad thing, and vice versa. Except obvious Alpinid of Plato, I got a hard time to classify these people. Both are aesthetic-looking and Greek, anyways.

 

[Der Orientale 666]

You forget to mention these regions also have the highest rejection to christardanity as well. Nordic regions all the way to countries like Japan.

You can say that again (about Japan) - that country was ultra-impressive when it came to resisting Christianity, their Emperors, Shoguns, or Daimyo or whatever never-once was embracive towards Christianity, and the "few" times they allowed Christianity, normally they caught a wiff of what Christianity was promoting, and was very quicky to retract on their decisions and expel them afterwards. Sadly the Chinese accepted Christianity en masse, especially in the southern regions putting the ports under cohen control.

I seriously suspect this is why the Jews nuked Japan, that country just wouldn't budge and they had their best military machinery stationed in their home archipelago ever in-case the invasion reached their country on foot.

Their religion Shintoism is actually a living descendent of Shenism (ancient Chinese Satanism) - which explains why they keep Shinto practices somewhat secretive, probably to prevent Jews and Buddhists from hijacking and fucking it up.

Sadly, Korea didn't seem to go down a spiritual route, while they are materially wealthy, the overwhelming majority of Koreans I've met are Christians, and there's even extremist Christian groups in South Korea that go around praying for death against Buddhists and destroying Buddhist monasteries, as much of an enemy religion Buddhism is. Satanists don't go around smashing Catholic statues or anything of that nature, we're not criminals.

But I did have a Korean friend that finally woke up, and wished Japan remained in Korea. If one searches Korea in the aftermath of World War II, it's out there information that the Koreans who remained wealthy and well-off were those who practiced Oriental Satanism and sided with Japan, until the Jews found a way for another round of bloodbath known as the Korean War, and sent both Christians and communists to target and kill Koreans who practiced Satanism and rob them of their wealth. Afterwards....Korea remained a floating aircraft carrier being fed bread at the mercy of American militarists.

Even when these people do accept it christianity it becomes a weird mix with paganism and they can't fully accept a total judaic religion.

Imagine my surprise when I found out Chiang Kai-Shek was a Christian, or whenever I find out that a Chinese person with spiritual abilities is a Christian and attends church. My dad knew a person with psychic and healing abilities who is a Catholic and was able to remove curses from victims.

I don't have any intel as to whether Chiang Kai Shek was a Satanic soul, or if his so-called "conversion" to Christianity was to hide any Satanic beliefs. However his latter political policies after turning against the communists definetly resembled that of the Founding Fathers, combining Traditional Chinese folk beliefs with Western Enlightenment, in the 1930s Chiang Kai Shek even acknowledged that Japan was not China's enemy, and tried to avoid going to war against Japan, probably secretly supported Japan in World War II since he had a tendancy to avoid fighting the Japanese whenver they came into the presence of his territories.

The Westerners still celebrate Christmas. Chinese Christians still celebrate Mid-Autumn and Lunar New Year (fuck yeah...2024 in their calendar is Year of the Dragon, Satan), Indian Christians still celebrate Diwaali.

Let's have it remain it that way.

In regards to "pure Judaic" tradition....yeah I've come across hardcore (like "seriously hardcore" Judaic Christians, sadly even from my own race), good god these are one step away from committing suicide, since they are literally forebidden from practicing/celebrating any elements of Pagan tradition (that includes ALL the major holidays like Christmas/Yuletide), and also cut ties from family members simply for not being extremist wannabe JEws like them...and how they pray for their "god" to turn our feasts into weeping or something like that. My family is far from perfect, but I am VERY thankful my folks are "regular Christians".

I get REALLY disgusted seeing these fellow Gentiles celebrate a holiday like Passover, a holiday that celebrates Egyptian baby murder at the hands of Jews.....uuuugh, while the slaves go eat matzos, the jewish kings will eat lavish feasts. or yom kippur where the slaves fast, while the priests eat. Goes to show a man-hater their "god" is. Judaic tradition just never seemed normal to me, nor compatible with well....anything human, even before coming to JoS that's something I've noticed through suspiciouns.