Translators for the SS Calendar!

[HPS Lydia]

Hello to all

It's almost time for the 2024 SS Calendars! And with every edition, we are working hard to ensure the newest version is the best one yet!

With every passing year, we have more and more SS members across the world from non-English speaking countries. So if any of you would like to have the Calendar available in your own language, you can work with us to translate it.

Drop me an email (included in my signature, and below my avatar) and I will put you in contact with the Author, ThomaSsS. He will then send you the documents to translate, and instructions on how to do it. It will be within a few days as, I am currently finishing up one document.

For those who have already translated previous editions and want to continue with the upcoming one, email ThomaSsS (or myself if you've don't have his email).

Thank you to all translators for helping the JoS grow!


(For those who have no idea what the SS Calendar is, the link to the current year is in my signature, as well as the Calendar FAQ, answering hopefully all of your questions!)

 

[Panta Rhei]

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Calendars are usually translated by official translators and Turkish is no exception. The translation of the calendar into Turkish is done by the official Joy of Satan Turkey translators, and members are not accepted.

I advise you not to try to interfere in the process without knowing how it works.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Calendars are usually translated by official translators and Turkish is no exception. The translation of the calendar into Turkish is done by the official Joy of Satan Turkey translators, and members are not accepted.

I advise you not to try to interfere in the process without knowing how it works.

Calendars have usually not been translated before the start of each year, which is why we agreed to make this post now, so all languages can hopefully be done before the start of the new year this time.

There is nothing official regarding translators for calendars yet, this is a separate project from translations of the JoS, headed by different people.

And you could have simply informed Hayabusa that there are already translators for your language, as he didn't seem to know, and maybe thanked him for caring but politely declining his help.

Furthermore, your comment makes it seem like you own the rights to translate the Calendars. This is ThomaSsS's original work you are translating, you do not own it.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Between finishing the Josrituals translations and starting the SS calendar translations, I'm going to be very busy.
There are days when I barely have 20 or 30 minutes to work on it.

 

[Panta Rhei]

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Calendars have usually not been translated before the start of each year, which is why we agreed to make this post now, so all languages can hopefully be done before the start of the new year this time.

Calendars have already been translated into different languages for several years. By now you should have built a system to do this effectively. Don't you have a Proton network to reach translators? If you are indeed still looking for translators by opening a topic, then there are things that need to be worked on here.

" post_id=468242 time=1697642534 user_id=57]
There is nothing official regarding translators for calendars yet, this is a separate project from translations of the JoS, headed by different people.

Calendars are usually translated by official translators or well-known Satanists. So even though there is nothing "official" about it, this is the natural flow of how things work.

" post_id=468242 time=1697642534 user_id=57]
And you could have simply informed Hayabusa that there are already translators for your language, as he didn't seem to know, and maybe thanked him for caring but politely declining his help.

Yes, I simply informed Hayabusa that he was not needed for the work carried out by the official team.

" post_id=468242 time=1697642534 user_id=57]
Furthermore, your comment makes it seem like you own the rights to translate the Calendars. This is ThomaSsS's original work you are translating, you do not own it.

That is not how the message will be understood. The subject of the message is to inform an unauthorized member about the natural flow of things and an already established work relationship.

Besides, so what, we've translated all 3 calendars since 2021 as the official team, show some common sense.

 

[Elite]

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Calendars have usually not been translated before the start of each year, which is why we agreed to make this post now, so all languages can hopefully be done before the start of the new year this time.

There is nothing official regarding translators for calendars yet, this is a separate project from translations of the JoS, headed by different people.

And you could have simply informed Hayabusa that there are already translators for your language, as he didn't seem to know, and maybe thanked him for caring but politely declining his help.

Furthermore, your comment makes it seem like you own the rights to translate the Calendars. This is ThomaSsS's original work you are translating, you do not own it.

Greetings JG Lydia,

Translations of 2021 and 2022 calendars had done by me. I informed Mr. ThomaSsS that I am ready to translate once more.

Thank you for your announcement on this matter and informing us about the translation policy in regards to calendars.

But I would like to remind that it is very polite to ask first who is already doing a job, and then applying to the officials. Along with JoS policies, we also have to practice the etiquette.

Otherwise people might think that the persons in question might trying to replace something and they are in negative opinions of themselves.

In our translation team, we do not do such a rude thing and one asks others first if they are fine with that the translation is handled by themselves. Sticking to this respect and etiquette, we do not have inner fights or other things. Everybody respects everybody's work.

I hope you can understand the importance of this for us.

We are not living in a world of total capitalism and selfishness. Human relations still matter.

One is free to dislike or even hate someone, but as it is said many times that "SS is a family", at least a certain level of respect has to take place for one's work.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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Calendars are usually translated by official translators and Turkish is no exception. The translation of the calendar into Turkish is done by the official Joy of Satan Turkey translators, and members are not accepted.

I advise you not to try to interfere in the process without knowing how it works.

You know, as far as saying members are not accepted, on your supposed "turf" you have to really mean it, because then denying and refusing prospective work for our ecosystems is a really important move, especially if done too hard.

You have to make it understood by not making it sounding like an offense has taken place.

I advise you not to try to interfere in the process without knowing how it works

Sounds like a threat in most people eyes. Please be more caring when explaining that there are already people able to undergo any type of work. At the end you need to thank said person for offering his help, because then all these things are not permanent and neither decisive permanent capacity, especially since this is not about Hayabusa but any other member desiring.

 

[Shadowcat]

I have been meaning to get back to more translation work again. You can email me if you like as well

 

[Panta Rhei]

Although the discussion is open to everyone, there is nothing here that concerns you specifically. You also lack some of the necessary background knowledge as to the reason for my choice of words.

Thanks for your opinion, though.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

Although the discussion is open to everyone, there is nothing here that concerns you specifically. You also lack some of the necessary background knowledge as to the reason for my choice of words.

Thanks for your opinion, though.

Regardless of any lacking perceived by you, your statements are not perceived neither individually to some specific member, but they deny input to all "your" Turkish members for that fact.

It is not opinion, consider it a warning and code of conduct, thanks.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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Brothers, I think you are operating on the assumption that JG Lydia is not understanding towards your position, and some of your words may be seen as trying to poke holes in her position as a self-defense attempt. However, she was appointed as a JG over you, so the rule of a JG must be respected, just as the rule within the Turkish community must also be respected.

If JG Lydia was not informed about a unique process within the Turkish community, then you cannot fault her for this. She needs to be informed of these things, as they apply to her decisions.

Now we can see that there is some tension due to a misunderstanding here, but this would have been resolved with prior communications. Rather than trying to pre-emptively overrule JG Lydia, did you first ask her if she had a problem with the operation of the Turkish translators? Maybe no such problem existed in the first place.

Instead of assuming she is lacking in common sense, lacking in etiquette, or unable to understand your own processes, a prior understanding of this has to have taken place. Since she works with the ThomaSsS directly, she operates on position or schedule above all the sub-communities, hence why she made this decision at this time and needs others to send her any relevant information.

As far as I can understand, all of the members here: JG Lydia, Spine, Bright Truth, and others are not going anywhere, towards JoS itself or within rank, therefore we have to come to mutual decisions rather than let any hostility fester or explode, as this is not ideal, as we are aware.

 

[Cfecit]

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Spine didn't write anything wrong and behaved correctly. When there is an already pre-established organization (which involves existing rules and other things), it is improper on the part of an outside person to interfere by announcing things, it is like stepping in without first doing consultation. Because that creates problems and wasted time to redirect things correctly. The correct procedure would be that Lydia should have inquired first about which community that is not already in the previous translations so as not to get in the way of the existing ones.
Ciao!

 

[SShiva_fr]

As promised at the beginning of the year, I'd like to translate the SS 2024 Calendar.
I'll send an e-mail to you and ThomaSsS.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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Calendars have usually not been translated before the start of each year, which is why we agreed to make this post now, so all languages can hopefully be done before the start of the new year this time.

Calendars have already been translated into different languages for several years. By now you should have built a system to do this effectively. Don't you have a Proton network to reach translators? If you are indeed still looking for translators by opening a topic, then there are things that need to be worked on here.

" post_id=468242 time=1697642534 user_id=57]
There is nothing official regarding translators for calendars yet, this is a separate project from translations of the JoS, headed by different people.

Calendars are usually translated by official translators or well-known Satanists. So even though there is nothing "official" about it, this is the natural flow of how things work.

" post_id=468242 time=1697642534 user_id=57]
And you could have simply informed Hayabusa that there are already translators for your language, as he didn't seem to know, and maybe thanked him for caring but politely declining his help.

Yes, I simply informed Hayabusa that he was not needed for the work carried out by the official team.

" post_id=468242 time=1697642534 user_id=57]
Furthermore, your comment makes it seem like you own the rights to translate the Calendars. This is ThomaSsS's original work you are translating, you do not own it.

That is not how the message will be understood. The subject of the message is to inform an unauthorized member about the natural flow of things and an already established work relationship.

Besides, so what, we've translated all 3 calendars since 2021 as the official team, show some common sense.

I think it is safe to say you are into a grave error into thinking that you somehow hold any authority over the whole processes of who gets in or out to the work that is seen and commanded ultimately by Gods, then HPHC and then the JGs.

As far as authorization goes, after you get to the classes of how you can properly address and show respect to others, not to mention someone in direct necessity by hierarchy, by also understanding the situation at hand, you can authorize yourself out of the equation, ultimately, no?

While amateurishly you try to force some kind of authority based on just pretending and doings so teenagerly, ultimately, you are to respect to code of conduct and good will otherwise the dynamics change and I don't think you'd like to see a more direct addressing of this.

Do not be also so eager in explaining how things work to me, as well, because people want to see you succeed ultimately and not provoke any more seriousness, that can be rather descriptive.

Aside from all of this, I will say that all Turkish members from the "official" team/group as well as others who want to lend a help can and should email JG Lydia first, as stated, and then you, to be informed how things work on this project.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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Spine didn't write anything wrong and behaved correctly. When there is an already pre-established organization (which involves existing rules and other things), it is improper on the part of an outside person to interfere by announcing things, it is like stepping in without first doing consultation. Because that creates problems and wasted time to redirect things correctly. The correct procedure would be that Lydia should have inquired first about which community that is not already in the previous translations so as not to get in the way of the existing ones.
Ciao!

JG Lydia, mr. president Cfecit. Read my reply to Spine and suit it to yourself as well, please.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Spine didn't write anything wrong and behaved correctly. When there is an already pre-established organization (which involves existing rules and other things), it is improper on the part of an outside person to interfere by announcing things, it is like stepping in without first doing consultation. Because that creates problems and wasted time to redirect things correctly. The correct procedure would be that Lydia should have inquired first about which community that is not already in the previous translations so as not to get in the way of the existing ones.
Ciao!

Brother, she is not an "outside person". Why was it the case that she was not informed in the first place?

See my other comments for other concerns about this interaction.

 

[ramses13th]

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Spine didn't write anything wrong and behaved correctly. When there is an already pre-established organization (which involves existing rules and other things), it is improper on the part of an outside person to interfere by announcing things, it is like stepping in without first doing consultation. Because that creates problems and wasted time to redirect things correctly. The correct procedure would be that Lydia should have inquired first about which community that is not already in the previous translations so as not to get in the way of the existing ones.
Ciao!

Brother, she is not an "outside person". Why was it the case that she was not informed in the first place?

See my other comments for other concerns about this interaction.

Sorry just barging in but I think future misunderstandings like these could be solved by having a public board on the forum homepage which states the contact info of each JG and their current projects and public duties/responsibilities

It seems that not everyone is aware of the status of JG, which is not a surprise since the JG Announcement Post just disappeared in like 3-4 days after it was posted

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

But I would like to remind that it is very polite to ask first who is already doing a job, and then applying to the officials. Along with JoS policies, we also have to practice the etiquette.

Good day to you as well, Bright Truth, I think it is polite first to upgrade the underwear from diaper to maybe something more, lately, considering that the JoS policies and the etiquette of JoS, work ethic can be provided factually most of the time, as alien to most teenagers, in comparison to the adult presiding over in hierarchy, advancement and age as JG Lydia and the brothers that wish you well.

How about that brother? Is that professional enough for you as well?

How about tell us, how our policies run? How the social and work etiquette works? Tell us also, who should we call, make an appointment, maybe. Maybe you don't have time that day.

Until the artificial politeness and authority is fulfilled by good will of heart and actual essence of communication among ourselves, all of this will be held in disrespectful tone and rhetoric. Please suit all of yourselves with a little seriousness and damn respect, and wake up to reality.

 

[Panta Rhei]

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It's really interesting to see you all like this. You're creating imaginary problems that don't exist.

I thank the Gods with all my heart, otherwise it would be impossible for Joy of Satan to exist. Oh, look at this!

I suggest some chamomile tea and Logic 101, and then you can get back to writing your fancy words.

Hitler served in France and Belgium. He was an infantryman in this regiment during the First Battle of Ypres. After the war, Hitler was promoted from Schütze (Private) to Gefreiter (Corporal). He was appointed as the regiment's message runner.
I note that in this case they did not distinguish between regimental runners, who were far from the front line, and company or battalion runners, who moved between the trenches and were more often under fire. I think that what distinguishes us in the eyes of the gods should be our effort/what we do.

Thanks for the information, now can you explain what this has to do with the current situation?

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

It's really interesting to see you all like this. You're creating imaginary problems that don't exist.

I thank the Gods with all my heart, otherwise it would be impossible for Joy of Satan to exist. Oh, look at this!

I suggest some chamomile tea and Logic 101, and then you can get back to writing your fancy words.

No, the problem is not imaginary. I will define it simply as: A conflict of authority with JG Lydia based on a prior misunderstanding.

She has came to us with changes about the translation project, and you basically told her "No" in an insulting tone, just as you do now with me.

So it is you who must also drink chamomile tea before you wrongfully assume JG Lydia was trying to overrule any Turkish operations, otherwise you risk damaging relationships by implying she doesn't know what she is doing.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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It's really interesting to see you all like this. You're creating imaginary problems that don't exist.

I thank the Gods with all my heart, otherwise it would be impossible for Joy of Satan to exist. Oh, look at this!

I suggest some chamomile tea and Logic 101, and then you can get back to writing your fancy words.

Well, here you have cut your wings with me and most of the extension of respect I ever had as peers among the forum, along with everything else you think you hold in power.

'Logic 101' will have you know how the world works soon, young rockstar.

 

[Elite]

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I think my words have been misunderstood.

I did not write my post to impose my ideals or to attack JG Lydia. I am just providing justification to her about my stance and what etiquette Yone is violating, in order to make it clear for her to judge with full knowledge (i.e my own opinions as well as her own opinions and Yone's own opinions) and also to consider her subordinate's opinion, if she wants, of course.

I do not disrespect the hierarchy or anything. I believe it is normal to file reports and conveying my own ideas to someone in higher ranking, as this is what is happening everywhere.

What you say about hierarchy is true, but do not I have a right to voice my concerns and to defend myself against an idea that is also related to me, in negative sense?

 

[Panta Rhei]

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I didn't say that JG Lydia overruled the Turkish operations. I only pointed out to Hayabusa that there is an existing operation.

But JG Lydia has made a mistake here. She should have first contacted the translators who translated the 2023 calendar. Logically, the translators of 2023 could also translate 2024. If they can't translate, that's fine, but at least this would have been notified.

In this way, the languages that do and do not need translators would be identified. Then she would write this in the topic and there would be no such conflict.

"Oh, look, there is no need for Turkish translators, but there is a need for X language, let's help with that!" etc.
People will not react the way you want them to react if they are not "rewarded" for the tolerance they give you.

You may be used to a pat on the back, but Logic 101 will hit you like it hit me, old rockstar. Have fun using JoS Rituals.

 

[Panta Rhei]

Lol, the JoS Rituals banner in your signature was linked to the new site, now it goes to the old site.

I guess using the new JoS Rituals isn't so much fun anymore, is it brother?

Gonna cry? Then don't play, Naked.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

What you say about hierarchy is true, but do not I have a right to voice my concerns and to defend myself against an idea that is also related to me, in negative sense?

Please do express yourself, as I believe this conversation was long overdue and therefore led to confusion.

I didn't say that JG Lydia overruled the Turkish operations. I only pointed out to Hayabusa that there is an existing operation.

But JG Lydia has made a mistake here. She should have first contacted the translators who translated the 2023 calendar. Logically, the translators of 2023 could also translate 2024. If they can't translate, that's fine, but at least this would have been notified.

In this way, the languages that do and do not need translators would be identified. Then she would write this in the topic and there would be no such conflict.

"Oh, look, there is no need for Turkish translators, but there is a need for X language, let's help with that!" etc.

In her original message, she expresses that more translators are needed, also that there is a time crunch. Furthermore, more translators could potentially be needed by the Turkish team, due to the earlier due date. So this can explain why she made this message sooner, rather than later.

Furthermore, Bright Truth expressed a fear of replacement and you also told JG Lydia to not interfere in the process. Between both of you were calls for her to have common sense and etiquette, which implies she does not have these things.

Similarly, you accused NP and I of creating imaginary problems and acting without logic. All of this suggests a level of disrespect of others, which did not need to happen in the first place.

Maybe you didn't mean to be insulting, but your words came across in this way, which inadvertently undermines your position more so than any problems about procedures.

By giving an impression that you disregard JG Lydia or others, this ruins the communication channels that would resolve any genuine problems in the first place.

The existing hierarchy of JoS is not going to move based upon attacks of character, but on spiritual quality and merit, so there is a limit to any shoving which takes place.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Lol, the JoS Rituals banner in your signature was linked to the new site, now it goes to the old site.

I guess using the new JoS Rituals isn't so much fun anymore, is it brother?

Gonna cry? Then don't play, Naked.

He is upset at you for the reasons we both described above. Why are you continuing to antagonize him here?

The end result of this is simply negative relations between you, him, and myself. No victory can be claimed from this. You should instead apologize.

We aren't mad about the processes of translation, but rather the lack of respect which continues here, and also happened in the past. You have to rectify these things.

 

[The Alchemist7 [JG]]

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Calendars are usually translated by official translators and Turkish is no exception. The translation of the calendar into Turkish is done by the official Joy of Satan Turkey translators, and members are not accepted.

I advise you not to try to interfere in the process without knowing how it works.

I have read the entire thread. I see you have a quality of telling people exactly what you think, which is great but it is clear that you need to carefully balance how you express your thoughts into your replies depending on the context, otherwise this quality of being direct and telling people exactly what you think will turn into a defect and backfire against you like it happened in this thread, and because of this I bet what is in your mind right now is "what is wrong with these people?"

Obviously how people are expressing themselves is going to affect the quality of a discussion, for better or for worse. For example instead of saying to JG Lydia that she "should not interfere in the process without knowing how it works", which in reality is a masked reproach of something that she had no way to know really (the organizational system of the Turkish translators), and also this is exactly how it has been interpreted as you can see from the replies, you could have rather anticipated that JG Lydia has no way to know how you are organized because she has not been directly involved in your community and describe in a professional and polite way "how the things work" instead, which would have provided a lot more context to the situation and everyone could have had a better understanding of what is happening.

Also telling Hayabusa666, "The translation of the calendar into Turkish is done by the official Joy of Satan Turkey translators, and members are not accepted."
Instead of literally rejecting a potential translator because you have enough for the calendar in particular, you could have asked Hayabusa666 if he/she wanted to get involved into other Turkish translations. The JoS is huge, there is no way you can ever say you have enough or too many translators. The JoS has so much information that it would take years for a team of over 25-30 translators to translate it fully, and I suppose there aren't 25-30 translators in the Turkish community. Instead of boiling this down to the calendar alone and rejecting a potential translator, you should have considered the other areas of JoS where there is endless information to translate (the other websites, the Library and so on).

You may think people are "weak" for being offended by your very direct and straight to the point approach, but at the end of the day if you want to have a productive discussion and avoid totally unnecessary conflicts, which I suppose everyone wants, you need to adjust your words to the context and situation. Sometimes is useful to be direct and other times you need to be more diplomatic and cordial, and think more broadly about the matter being discussed before responding to someone.

You may criticize me if you think I am just "sticking my nose in" but as it happened before, happened now and might happen in the future, if you won't tone your words accordingly depending on the situation and the other participants in the discussion then unavoidably you will be involved in a lot of conflicts and arguments because your words will be interpreted as offensive. Speech has to be based on mutual respect. When this barrier is crossed then this is the best context when it is justified to go full in and tell people exactly what you think whether it is offensive or not, but in this situation you are the one who crossed this barrier by making a masked reproach to JG Lydia (you may think it wasn't a "masked reproach" but at the end of the day this is how everyone else interpreted it so your personal and perhaps subjective perception of it doesn't translate in the actual discussion) and then unnecessarily rejection a potential translator that could have been very helpful elsewhere in the translation community, if you asked them kindly and they wished to. As a result you are the one who was told by others (NakedPluto in this case) what they think of you directly after the mutual respect barrier has been crossed and as a result conflicts aroused due to poor choice of words and incorrect decisions.

This can easily be prevented when you know how and when to express yourself in a professional and non-combative manner by respectfully providing more information and more context, and when to leave rhetoric aside and express directly or "speaking your mind" without consideration how it will be received.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

Lol, the JoS Rituals banner in your signature was linked to the new site, now it goes to the old site.

I guess using the new JoS Rituals isn't so much fun anymore, is it brother?

Gonna cry? Then don't play, Naked.

When I found out the creator of this smelled funny, I got quick on my wits to change things. Maybe more things come to get changed.

Yes, I won't use anything of your apparatus or touch dear Spine, because I believe more in honour and also, by my formidable nature, I take no prisoners.

 

[ThomaSsS [JG]]

It saddens me to see how a messaged written in such good conscious, was twisted to this extent and turned into an argument.

What's it called when someone asks others not to speak about things they do not know, but then they themselves proceed to speak about things they do not know? I thought there was a word for it..

Regardless, the message posted by JG Lydia comes down to two basic things (and these are still as valid now as they were when she posted them):

• if your language is not in the list of translated calendars, but you'd like it to be featured starting from next year, please send her an email (you can check which languages the calendars have been translated into here: https://www.jos-astro.com/#/astro-calendars - click on "List");

• if you're one of the translators who worked on previous versions of the Calendar and would like to continue translating it for 2024, please send her (or me) an email. It would really ease things for us and would also speed up the process. I will still contact all who worked on this before, but as I said, things go much smoother when you take initiative.

If it so happens that you understood something different than these two points above, you certainly missed the point. There was no hidden message passed between the lines.

 

[Shadowcat]

I agree with the feedback others have given to Spine in this thread. There was no need for this at all and things could have been expressed in a much more amiable and much less arrogant manner. I wonder, you know a lot of people might consider Lydia almost HP leven even though she did not want this (last I checked a guardian was almost looked at this way or on the path to this) yet she is basically being approached like trash here, and so have Blitzkrieg and Nekedpluto, who have merely been attempting to diffuse the situation. Your brothers and sister did not deserve this AT ALL and this has come at the worst fucking time for this crap. It's interesting how this always happens during warfare schedules. The RTR's are doing their job, We have a schedule to follow, and the last thing we need is drama distractions in the forums. If Spine actually wants to be the adult here and stop trying to save face for his inflated ego then he owes you all an apology.

Also Spine you are going to get pissed when you read this bro but I REALLY MISS Webword. It's a lot less complicated than the system you put in place and I am actually hoping that you would reconstruct something in webwords likeness since programming seems to be your strength. And no offense but the old rituals page is also more efficient. What is the point of having to click a "done" button for every section or constantly having to toggle a "blot" or "scroll" button when the old ritual page just lets you blot out without extra stopping and pressing buttons? This also does not seem to work well on a phone. If this could be updated that would be great and I might use it instead of the old rituals pages.

 

[Panta Rhei]

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Oh, I see now. The "I advise" in my message was also for Hayabusa. The reason I quoted JG Lydia was to avoid the possibility of her not seeing my message. You also know the past events about Hayabusa, so you understand many things.

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At the end of the day, we're just a few letters of usernames, so I don't care that much about relationships.

The only thing we have in common is our beliefs, so I don't even mind working with people I hate, as long as everyone does their part to keep Joy of Satan functional.

And this isn't the first problem I've had with Naked. In the past, he insulted me very openly by pretending to know very well about things he did not know. Then his message was deleted, of course.
You should learn not to threaten people in veiled ways, and don't try to play God in front of me.

You should also learn that other people can be just as prideful as you are. They may even be more unyielding than you.

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Thank you for your reasonable approach.

I'm not interested in Hayabusa's contribution, because he's done a lot of things in the past that have caused us problems. I'm not going to disclose any more, so as not to create a reputation assassination. He needs to think about why I'm writing to him in the first place, instead of wondering, "Oh, did someone steal your device?"

For the JG Lydia part, read what I wrote to JG Blitz:

Oh, I see now. The "I advise" in my message was also for Hayabusa. The reason I quoted JG Lydia was to avoid the possibility of her not seeing my message. You also know the past events about Hayabusa, so you understand many things.

Still, I think everyone here is a little too sensitive. It's better to focus on the content instead of the form.
Thank you sister for the first paragraph, this is not really your concern, but if you read the above part of the message I think we can resolve the misunderstandings you have.

I know that the translation process of JoS Rituals is difficult and I am already working on a tool that makes it easier. Unfortunately, this will take some time. JoS Rituals was released less than a year ago, so of course there is still time and space to mature.

As for the "Complete" button in rituals, you would be surprised how many people forget where they left off.

As for the RTR painting system, you can quickly switch between the old 2-finger mode and the new single-finger mode.

From the article "How does the JoS Rituals work?":

Single Finger: In this mode, an extra button appears just to the left of the customization menu at the bottom right. By clicking this button you can switch between scrolling and painting modes. If you are in scrolling mode, you can easily scroll with one finger, but you cannot paint. If you are in painting mode, then the scrolling behavior is canceled and only the painting system is active.

Two Finger: This mode is the same as before. With one finger you can only paint but not scroll. Using two fingers you can scroll the page. A more sensitive and tolerant finger detection system has been created to make the experience easier.

To switch between modes, simply enter any paintable RTR page, then you will see a button at the bottom right. Press it to customise your ritual experience.

See image.

 

[Cfecit]

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Usual things, I criticize the mode and not the role itself, what does being a JG have to do with this, the title has nothing to do with this. On the contrary, just because of her role, she should have used words more carefully, so as to avoid misunderstanding or things that others might misinterpret.

For example, she could write:

With every passing year, we have more and more SS members across the world from non-English speaking countries. So if any of you would like to have the Calendar available in your own language, that has never been published before [see list on josastro], you can work with us to translate it. [...]

In this way, the discussion would not have arisen in the first place between Spire etc because everything is very clear.
Instead, unfortunately, it was not specified and the sentence she put implied that any member can participate even those calendars already translated and Lydia would have wasted time responding email saying "no, the Turkish language is already taken" and it also applies to the same thing for the other languages. So it is not only in our interest but also for her interest to writing the announcement well

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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At the end of the day, we're just a few letters of usernames, so I don't care that much about relationships.

The only thing we have in common is our beliefs, so I don't even mind working with people I hate, as long as everyone does their part to keep Joy of Satan functional.

And this isn't the first problem I've had with Naked. In the past, he insulted me very openly by pretending to know very well about things he did not know. Then his message was deleted, of course.

Yes, and you need to learn how to insult and "scheme" over egotistical drives by this, you do it openly, in peoples faces, directly. Not behind people's back, like I believe you have the character to do.

The message which applies even now, by which you didn't learn a thing, is fully valid for you. I requested deletion because you had been given one chance by me. You have been given praise in the past as well, tried to uplift you maybe privately to some SS and so on, only for a children like behaviour from you to pretend from the movies in everybody's face that you are somebody other that the things vetted in good will in you.

You should learn not to threaten people in veiled ways, and don't try to play God in front of me.

You should also learn that other people can be just as prideful as you are. They may even be more unyielding than you.

I tell you, to your face directly, that things will change, and I believe that you are not up to the task to the level you surround yourself with in this attitude. You also need to first take some lessons from life before starting war with people who have tried to help you. One may be more motivated than the other and justified to do greater actions here. You got one warning here, you got one in that message which you have seen. How many more warnings have you received from other people?

If playing God was telling you "no" dear Spine, you got much more problems than your "pride" and your "unyielding" which is used in gross ways, for no reason other than feeling yourself. Here you are no match to me, because this pride is based on proper ethic, while yours is on the edge of "not knowing what to do".

Well, if you are such a prideful man, with such a big dick I might add in the way that you address me, and if you make it also personal with me, I can do it too. Because I see wronged people in this topic, over-reaction based on being told things to implement or questioning. JG Lydia supposedly needs to come to you first before being allowed or something here, JG Blitz should've shut the fuck up in a way in your face because you seem to want to be some mafioso Spine and I should've kissed ass because you are somehow, someone very important.

Unfortunately for you, the answers are no and from now on, all people should tell you NO. I also advise that the Turkish people organize themselves better and not cater religiously to you or your decisions, which have undertones of complete attacks. The investments in you have yielded more unfixable problems perhaps. Perhaps all of this trust invested in you was a wrong move from all people, because you do not rectify, you do not take a step back, you do not apologize and ultimately you poke bears which can cut your wings without blinking. Instead of being in harmony and in necessary respect, if we are to treat each other like we are bros going to fuck some hoes, you will get the slap my guy.

If you try to press more upon the matters, know that there are always ways to involve things up or do so in mirror, warlike movements so that you get the message understood.

 

[ThomaSsS [JG]]

For example, she could write:

With every passing year, we have more and more SS members across the world from non-English speaking countries. So if any of you would like to have the Calendar available in your own language, that has never been published before [see list on josastro], you can work with us to translate it. [...]

Erm.. nope? Absolutely not, because that was not the point we wanted to put forth. Some of you keep saying "JG Lydia made a mistake", when she definitely didn't.

The point from the beginning was for everyone to get in touch. Period. Both for the languages that have been translated in the past, and also for the ones that have not been translated.

What's funny is that most translators who worked on the Calendar in the past, emailed us, which means the point behind this thread reached them just as it was intended to. All the while you and Spine, who never worked on this project, are the ones getting "offended" (and driving this entire unjustified quarrel). How is that for irony?

While you and Spine keep splitting hairs and looking to create drama and problems where there are none, those who are serious are busy doing actual work. That in itself speaks volumes, as it always had.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

This really is quite simple Spine.

You have done a few things well and have talents that are appreciated, thus you have found opportunities to put those to work.

Noting more or less.

Now that you have succeeded on a few things, your ego rises through the roof and you consider yourself above people, showing not even a small modicum of respect to those who you work with or for, nor for those elevated far above you.

You behave like an immature teenager, seeking control over things which are not for you to control at all.

You even try to gatekeep other people from putting themselves and their talents to use for the Gods.

This is unacceptable. Your response is even more out of line. Complete nonsense.

You think you can be part of anything involving the Gods with this kind of immature and borderline opposing behavior?

The JoS really does not such people at all.

Then, when confronted about your over reach and your tendencies, you dare to insult or even pretend and act as of there is some "power struggle"?

In reality, there is no such thing. You have your place and you do work in that place, nothing more or less. Further authority by which you try to act doesn't belong to you.

The struggle lies in yourself trying to place yourself where you are not, and having an ego that is inflated to the moon because you have succeeded in a couple of things.

Your work can be replaced Spine, it is nothing special in that regard.

However, we would indeed much prefer to see you grow in maturity and wisdom through progressing on the path of Spiritual Satanism, so that your talents do not go to waste.

You have been given a lot of room to grow, because us here always give people many chances to prove themselves, thus we are very lenient, and have been most lenient and kind towards you.

You pay this back with utter disrespect and delusional conflicts or dislike over nothing more than some retarded immature tendencies and an uncontrolled desire to have authority over things which you cannot.

You won't be given any higher authority because you behave in antagonistic manner against your fellow members and those above you on the JoS.

Not once have you shown respect to the JG position. This says enough. Ethics are lacking, as is the ability to be part of something.

Other people have been talented and garnered the same delusions as you Spine.

If you cannot work with others and be part of the hierarchy in which you find yourself, cannot manage your ego and do your work in earnest without all this immature bullshit, you will not find yourself part of anything sooner rather than later.


These are the moments where you have to back down in life and understand your position, or lose everything you have gained through over reach.

Your first step is an earnest apology to JG Lydia and JG Blitz for the insults and disrespect shown.

Then also an apology to Hayabusa for attempting to gatekeep your fellow member from being able to present himself to the Gods as someone willing to work.

 

[Panta Rhei]

When we evaluate people, we evaluate them together with what they have done in the past. You know what you have done in the past, and instead of making a real effort to make up for it, you are trying to escape your real responsibilities by playing a simple "National Socialist Satanist who loves Satan and Hitler" characterisation. It is as simple as that.
My colleague Bright Truth is already handling the translations with top quality. I made a simple warning about Hayabusa here, and JG Lydia chose to argue with me about something that has nothing to do with her.

Also, I don't have a good relationship with Cfecit because of what happened with him in the past. I would advise you not to make it sound like there is a "joint plan" without knowing these things.
Frankly, I don't care about having JG and any other 2-letter title. If I wanted to, I would play Mr. Nice Guy and wait for my turn.

Simply, instead of showing people a "fake" respect and being part of a "family" that doesn't exist, I approach work realistically.

Unfortunately, with all the titles you are inflating yourself with, you are also becoming so sensitive that you will probably start to cry if the discussion continues for a little longer.

I also know very well that these conversations are going nowhere because you think you're so untouchable that you can't admit that you're wrong or that something is really wrong. I'm just doing the right thing. The circlejerk on the JoS forums has to come to an end.

Besides, if the work is so worthless and "replaceable", then you should have done it. But you didn't. Or someone else didn't. It's as simple as that.

As for the "authority" and "hierarchy" that one has to get along with, I only do what is necessary because I ultimately follow Father Satan and no one else. Because there are some private conversations and events that cannot be shared here.

As for blocking Hayabusa, if you want to know the reason for my strict attitude towards Hayabusa, you can send me an e-mail. Then you can learn what's going on behind the scenes.
I told you to stop threatening me and you did it even more openly, which is too much even for you.

But I understand that you are simply overreacting to the extreme, because I can feel that the fragile thing that you are basing on "proper" ethics is being shaken.

You are simply drawn into the discussion and become unstable. Because you don't get the obedience you want and are used to.

They say never meet your heroes, and they're right. You can keep grandstanding, even you don't realise what you've become.

You are so right that things will change and you can be sure that they will!

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

At the end of the day, we're just a few letters of usernames, so I don't care that much about relationships.

The only thing we have in common is our beliefs, so I don't even mind working with people I hate, as long as everyone does their part to keep Joy of Satan functional.

And this isn't the first problem I've had with Naked. In the past, he insulted me very openly by pretending to know very well about things he did not know. Then his message was deleted, of course.

Keeping the JoS functional involves investment into creating genuinely good relationships and feelings with others, as described by HPHC here: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=467420#p467420

This is something you will be judged on, just as the work you put forth is judged. One cannot directly compensate for the other, as they are separate skills or separate results. Therefore, it wouldn't make sense to only care about project results.

So if others are complaining about their interactions with you, and how they felt about you, you must think about diverting more effort to improving this area of your person (like with Wunjo or Berkano), otherwise this will overshadow your other results.

Because you are hardworking, there should be no problems with the actual implementation of this improvement of your soul, however the main obstacle would be if you refuse to do it in the first place.

If you are feeling alienated, then you must use Wunjo, as its energy breaks down barriers and increases harmony and joy between everyone. Trying to do anything else would just be an imperfect or even incorrect solution.

Nobody is saying "Spine did not put forth any effort", they are specifically pointing at interactions with the community, hence the solution below:

"Wunjo is a rune of honors and rewards. Our efforts are rewarded. Vend is bliss merging with light. Authority, respect and strength. This rune is excellent for banishing depression. Helps to unite family members and mend friendships. Breaks down barriers between one’s self and others."

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

...

Whether you believe you are right or not, you would only have less success by going against other SS. If you don't believe a family exists here, then you must help create it.

Even if you think everyone is wrong, you should still program the energy of Wunjo to do whatever it needs to help improve your own position, including changing you or how others react to you.

That is because a lack of harmony and good feelings is the limit here, not necessarily your project work. It is not acceptable to have multiple JG's upset with you.

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The family model promotes for an increase in work through its influence on personal emotions. You can see now how a lack of these good feelings is likely hurting your willingness to work with others.

You had already said you are no longer loyal to anyone but Satan, which would hurt your position, as other SS exist who are more advanced than you and could benefit you spiritually.

It is not a solution for you to feel alienated, but it is also not right for others to feel disrespected by you. Do you see how this goes both ways? There needs to be receptivity between everyone.

Because I agree with the family model, it is why I am trying to help you as well, so you should spend time thinking about my words.

 

[ApolloAbove [JG]]

...

We can only build JoS up by working together. You and I are rare people who are able to program and create things with technology, but this act of creation can only be accomplished by working together.

Such a rare Satanic family does exist, and you are surrounded by them. Do you get along with every one of your family members? Of course not, but you are still there to help. We learn to help and improve ourselves, and then we help our family.

When you think of a true, proper Satanic man, does he attack others within the same community? How often do you see that happen at the JG level? Does HP do things like that?

 

[Draconi666]

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Hello to all

It's almost time for the 2024 SS Calendars! And with every edition, we are working hard to ensure the newest version is the best one yet!

With every passing year, we have more and more SS members across the world from non-English speaking countries. So if any of you would like to have the Calendar available in your own language, you can work with us to translate it.

Drop me an email (included in my signature, and below my avatar) and I will put you in contact with the Author, ThomaSsS. He will then send you the documents to translate, and instructions on how to do it. It will be within a few days as, I am currently finishing up one document.

For those who have already translated previous editions and want to continue with the upcoming one, email ThomaSsS (or myself if you've don't have his email).

Thank you to all translators for helping the JoS grow!


(For those who have no idea what the SS Calendar is, the link to the current year is in my signature, as well as the Calendar FAQ, answering hopefully all of your questions!)

I have sent you email - [email protected]