the concept of "Art" in my humble opinion

[LaTe bLoOmErX]

hey

i was making some considerations about my path and consequently my relevance to "art" in its various available forms which are many
and it almost seems to me that very often, even many great artists, forget the true meaning and value of art

when i was very young i took up various hobbies that i considered "interesting" and i remember that for one of them, "magic tricks" with cards and objects, i wrote an essay in elementary school in which i wrote about these words:
"....moreover, i love magic and magic tricks because when i do them, everyone forgets, even if only for a moment, about the rest, about their problems, and their smile returns"
at that time, as a child, i was very happy and grateful that i could learn and do my "magic tricks" and lastly, amaze my family, friends etc.
and in the end, at least in my personal opinion, this is precisely the true meaning of art

art, which allows everyone to express themselves, has value in its own right, everyone's art has "universal value" as art and artistic self-expression
so, it's not that important that your art is liked, or makes sense to other people, or is understood, etc
also, art is liberation, and applying oneself in it, regardless of how "good" and "talented" someone may be, is very fun and satisfying, as well as therapeutic

however, a person could remain attached to external opinions, criticisms and points of view in a negative way, or compare his art to that of others, or again have some "doubts" etc. that can distance this vision

what really is important to remember is that art is "done to do it", "for oneself", like meditation

if then by "sharing" this, it can surprise, be liked, and anything can be generated from it, it's a plus
and it can also, why not, stimulate and motivate the growth and development of certain talents etc. but

what i'm trying to say is basically that in any case at the origin there must be the embracing of art for its expression and the beauty of it

i hope that these considerations can be of help to other artists or new artists

(i might have fucked up some words, english is not my native language)

 

[Havoc]

That is well good and true for the majority of us myself included who practice some kind of art. What you described is the fundamental to be mastered, but the most splendid and sublime art possible is that which is done in devotion to the God.

When one has something grater then oneself they wish to honor and be a servant at the foot of by creating an art piece for then technical perfection or a style that perfectly captures that which they have seen within is necessary.

I like making art for myself but that sometimes I feel it is a criminal offense on my part that my talent isn’t good enough to show what of the God’s I have seen and that is robbing the world of their beauty.

I do however follow a lot of artists and some of my favorites are the young ones with little technical skill who enjoy expressing themselves authenticity. The Modern art moment has a lot of this but unfortunately has been heavily corrupted.

 

[Windstrider666]

There are a few things I want to correct in regards to what you said about the value of art. This is because due to a lot of misconstrued feelings and misunderstandings within the Artistic Community which are then spread outward. These are the Painters, Animators, Photographers, etc.

Creating Art is both a skill and a form of expression. The more mastery over that field the greater and more beautiful things one can create. But Beauty isn't just about prettiness. Much like a poisonous flower that hides its deadliness behind its appearance Art too can be used for ill means. It touches upon higher faculties and can bypass the logical brain. This is how the enemy uses the artistic medium for their nefarious purposes.

Art only has real value when it elevates and promotes upward advancement of a person or one's community. Because it is a form of expression there is a meaning and intent within the act of creating art and when it is completed the message is fully manifested. Much like when we perform magick, there is energy and power behind artwork.

The idea of "universal value" needs to be reevaluated. Similar to the ideology that everyone is "equal", "Universal value" only causes the standard of art to drop to the lowest denominator. Not everyone makes good art. Good art isn't about skill, its about intent behind it. Anyone can get better through practice and repetition, but not everyone will have good intentions. There is value in being skilled but can it be said that there value in a person who is skilled yet harms others with their ability?

If one wants to make valuable artworks then one needs to look at the meaning and intent behind creating it. There needs to be an understanding of what is valuable and what is not. The act itself does have value but many factors can either elevate the value to the highest levels or lower it to below even garbage. Since being a Spiritual Satanist is about eternal upward advancement and elevation of oneself and their community, try to align those values with the act of creating art.

 

[LaTe bLoOmErX]

actually, thank you very much for these clarifications perfectly put into words
i didn't expect this level of answers to be honest, really cool
these are fundamental factors to take into consideration
i agree 100%




bit off topic things i wanted to "state"
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as i'm still somewhere at the basics of this path and so not even close to the level of knowledge, wisdom, comprehension and overall spiritual wealth of an advanced person, i often "notice" or "feel" some other "things/concepts" that i would like to add to the things i say but the majority of the time in these cases i don't even have them fully integrated myself and so i don't know how to properly rielaborate and express them or even learn from them in the first place, like i ignore them just "for now" u know
and i end up summarizing only the little i know trying to make it as simple and understandable as i can without complicating too much or cause misunderstandings, may be too mean etc (that's why i often use " " and etc) i know where this type of behavior of mine comes from
lately i've made some "considerations" here but i generally do them in my mind only as it helps me "remember" and i don't have many other good alternatives let's just say ahahahah, in any case, your kind of wisdom on this post of mine made me very happy and was also helpful to me aswell as i was thinking a lot about the issue of "appropriate direction of energies" in art as i didn't pay much attention to it myself thinking that it didn't "matter that much" so, very precious

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

There are a few things I want to correct in regards to what you said about the value of art. This is because due to a lot of misconstrued feelings and misunderstandings within the Artistic Community which are then spread outward. These are the Painters, Animators, Photographers, etc.

Creating Art is both a skill and a form of expression. The more mastery over that field the greater and more beautiful things one can create. But Beauty isn't just about prettiness. Much like a poisonous flower that hides its deadliness behind its appearance Art too can be used for ill means. It touches upon higher faculties and can bypass the logical brain. This is how the enemy uses the artistic medium for their nefarious purposes.

Art only has real value when it elevates and promotes upward advancement of a person or one's community. Because it is a form of expression there is a meaning and intent within the act of creating art and when it is completed the message is fully manifested. Much like when we perform magick, there is energy and power behind artwork.

The idea of "universal value" needs to be reevaluated. Similar to the ideology that everyone is "equal", "Universal value" only causes the standard of art to drop to the lowest denominator. Not everyone makes good art. Good art isn't about skill, its about intent behind it. Anyone can get better through practice and repetition, but not everyone will have good intentions. There is value in being skilled but can it be said that there value in a person who is skilled yet harms others with their ability?

If one wants to make valuable artworks then one needs to look at the meaning and intent behind creating it. There needs to be an understanding of what is valuable and what is not. The act itself does have value but many factors can either elevate the value to the highest levels or lower it to below even garbage. Since being a Spiritual Satanist is about eternal upward advancement and elevation of oneself and their community, try to align those values with the act of creating art.

I agree 100% with this very professional and beautiful reply. Self expression can be implied in art, but not always based upon this, and art takes into account what is more than you and outside of you, even if this is done by an internal search and meaning, is all about the others, which is the creation of perception and sharing of consciousness. This is the biggest revelation an artist can have, it is not about you, and this is against all fibers of creativity in itself. That is what makes it a key. Because then it needs to be presented, and in presentation, the concept of materialization happens. That's where influence happens and when art is truly alive and not only a self served therapeutic experience.

I know there is an emotional connection with the world and life to mean well to all artistic creators, and motivate them by telling them it is all fine, but reality is harsher on this end. Artistic expression and creation is always best from amongst suffering or compared to it, advanced against it, by which an artist must understand: there is very bad art and there is very good art. If one is really attached to their artistic creation, a delusion of being perfect and very good at your art, without actually being, will non create you. Good art created, will create in turn others, and it can recreate back yourself.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

actually, thank you very much for these clarifications perfectly put into words
i didn't expect this level of answers to be honest, really cool
these are fundamental factors to take into consideration
i agree 100%




bit off topic things i wanted to "state"
▼
▼
▼
▼
as i'm still somewhere at the basics of this path and so not even close to the level of knowledge, wisdom, comprehension and overall spiritual wealth of an advanced person, i often "notice" or "feel" some other "things/concepts" that i would like to add to the things i say but the majority of the time in these cases i don't even have them fully integrated myself and so i don't know how to properly rielaborate and express them or even learn from them in the first place, like i ignore them just "for now" u know
and i end up summarizing only the little i know trying to make it as simple and understandable as i can without complicating too much or cause misunderstandings, may be too mean etc (that's why i often use " " and etc) i know where this type of behavior of mine comes from
lately i've made some "considerations" here but i generally do them in my mind only as it helps me "remember" and i don't have many other good alternatives let's just say ahahahah, in any case, your kind of wisdom on this post of mine made me very happy and was also helpful to me aswell as i was thinking a lot about the issue of "appropriate direction of energies" in art as i didn't pay much attention to it myself thinking that it didn't "matter that much" so, very precious

Artistic creation is more logical than acknowledged by all people. To create art, you must judge and witness, in polarity you must do this always. Art is mathematical freedom, it is a structure you add or manipulate in this world. It is not an endless drive and emotional epitome , but the limitation you impose and gather in actual form. It is the action of realizing limitations. Every note and frequency, every line on a drawing etc., is a limitation, or a definition of what was formless before.

Most of the times it is only discovering a place of elevation that you define it here, otherwise, nothing new in this world, but ones reach towards unseen and unknown.

 

[muriceias]

My thought about this is that the best art work is the one that is pure, genuinely inspired. The more loyal to the sensations and feelings the better, considering it is a righteous way to structure this feelings of course. It doesnt matter how much time it took to be made, if high skill was involved, if it is simple or complex. If it is the way the creator imagined and felt, then it is good.

For example

The skill, the details, the colors, the effort and time, the vibe, these are undeniable. Also, made by a renown painter, Leonardo da Vinci. It is really not to be despised.

However, I can trully apreciate something like this too.

I dont consider one better than the other. But both true and diferent.