Is this the right attitude for trance

[The Phantom Stranger]

I tried this.
It wasn't a so called "proper" method but basically I just wanted to take a nap.

But I tried to simultaneously stay awake as I tried to sleep. I ended with the floaty sensation again. I could no longer feel my body. Immense pressure in my head.

Basically it felt like a trance.

So instead of doing hours and hours of "void meditation" where I'm trying super hard to focus, I just tried to "remain aware as I fell asleep".

It seems easier when thought of like this.

Is this the right attitude for trance? I'm not trying to focus so hard anymore but just trying to "remain aware as I fall asleep".

 

[Henu the Great]

Trying hard is counterproductive for inducing a trance (slowing of brainwaves) as you remain tense. Whatever terminology you might use the idea remains that you should be relaxed and ease into a trance.

 

[sublimestatanist]

Trying hard is counterproductive for inducing a trance (slowing of brainwaves) as you remain tense. Whatever terminology you might use the idea remains that you should be relaxed and ease into a trance.

Sometimes I've gotten so deep into a trance that I felt a strong OBE feeling and it was difficult to refocus my mind and intent.

Is this a bad thing and how can it be improved on?

 

[Havoc]

Try doing some Yoga and then vibrating Maum into your crown 8 times then just concentrate on your crown chakra, this feels good so you can focus on it without effort, just concentrate on how good it feels.

Then while you are just relaxing and thinking only about purple energy going out the top of your head you will fall into a trance without trying.

Or if you sit cross legged and chant aum for a little while (15-30) minutes you can fall into a trance, you just try to empty your head.

Or you sit and try to surround yourself with darkness, let it enter and pass through you, visualize any calming effect as darkness and try to pull the ease into yourself.

I’ve fallen into trances using all of those methods.

 

[AFODO]

Thats what I have been doing recently.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

This is the most common way that most people usually experience a trance, and they do it accidentally. Like when you are in school and you are trying to stay awake and keep your eyes open, and you can't do it. When your hearing changes and all of the noises start to sound like they are coming from very far away, that is one indication that you are in a trance.

 

[FancyMancy]

I don't think I have ever initiated a trance successfully. I think had sleep paralysis once in particular where I thought I was awake and went out my room, while knowing I was still in bed unable to move, but then after I went out I saw someone else who didn't actually live there, so it all might have been a dream or I fell back to sleep. Is what is being said in this thread similar to any of the following?

1) Sometimes when I am tired enough to sleep during the day but don't want to because then I wouldn't sleep at night, usually with the TV on and not in my bed but in the living room, I'd rest and listen to the TV and slowly, over so many minutes, estimating anything up to an hour, I'd drift more and more away until I fall asleep eventually, while not intending to fall to sleep fully, then wake up maybe a couple of hours later sometimes, since I'm not in a comfortable, sleep-positive position.

2) At other times, I can do something very similar where I know I am not actually asleep, but an observer would think I am due to heavy breathing and possibly snoring (if I snore(?)). This has been said to me before, with the heavy breathing, where they thought I was asleep but I know I actually wasn't, or was in very light sleep and was still somewhat aware and could still just hear things. Very similar to above but not as far or deeply.

3) Another possible time years ago, years before I knew about Spiritual things (but of course had heard "trance" before, e.g. in Childrens' TV), I was in the bath and it was hot and maybe steamy in the room, and a handheld-sized mirror was there at the right angle and I just stared at myself in it and after a few minutes, without blinking, my face started 'morphing' in the mirror and I couldn't recognise myself. I realised that if I blinked or looked away I'd 'wake up' - I was conscious.

Is it during this time - as has been said, the hearing changes and things sound (and look?) different - and obviously before falling asleep, where the trance-like state is?

 

[AFODO]

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When you go to sleep, lay on your back, close your eyes, but act like if you were staring. Meaning, you don't "drift away" but you are here in the present and you are staring at the ceiling but with eyes closed, as if you would observe reality. Relax all your muscles and start breathing slowly either for 4-4-4 counts or 6-6-6 counts. After 6 reps (don't count) of this breathing, you should already be in a light trance. You can also than visualize your room fading away. As it fade away, you are now a floating consciousness in the universe. One of the JGs shared a similar meditation not long ago. Don't rush, even if you can only complete this meditation half way trough, it's completely fine. If you are rushing it will never work. Maybe go to sleep 30 earlier if you can, so that you are not rushing to fall asleep.

If you are too sleepy when going to sleep it won't really work,one needs to put a bit effort into this. The essence of falling asleep is giving zero effort. Or at least that's how I think about it.

probably your third example is the closest. Being in a trance is not exactly means to be sleepy. I would say that a trance is a trance when you start not to feel your limbs or just hands, but everyone has different experiences. Essentially when you don't use the logical side of the brain, it should by default lower it's vibration, by time to a point where we call it a trance. So not thinking is also essential.

Brainwaves

 

[Henu the Great]

Is it during this time - as has been said, the hearing changes and things sound (and look?) different - and obviously before falling asleep, where the trance-like state is?

Trance is when your brain waves enter a 'slowed down' state which is very much akin to entering and being asleep with the major difference being that one stays in control and aware.

 

[FancyMancy]

When you go to sleep, lay on your back, close your eyes, but act like if you were staring. Meaning, you don't "drift away" but you are here in the present and you are staring at the ceiling but with eyes closed, as if you would observe reality. Relax all your muscles and start breathing slowly either for 4-4-4 counts or 6-6-6 counts. After 6 reps (don't count) of this breathing, you should already be in a light trance. You can also than visualize your room fading away. As it fade away, you are now a floating consciousness in the universe. One of the JGs shared a similar meditation not long ago. Don't rush, even if you can only complete this meditation half way trough, it's completely fine. If you are rushing it will never work. Maybe go to sleep 30 earlier if you can, so that you are not rushing to fall asleep.

If you are too sleepy when going to sleep it won't really work,one needs to put a bit effort into this. The essence of falling asleep is giving zero effort. Or at least that's how I think about it.

probably your third example is the closest. Being in a trance is not exactly means to be sleepy. I would say that a trance is a trance when you start not to feel your limbs or just hands, but everyone has different experiences. Essentially when you don't use the logical side of the brain, it should by default lower it's vibration, by time to a point where we call it a trance. So not thinking is also essential.

Brainwaves

I may speak nonsense at times, but based on posts made by me and by other users here, and other things in offline life, things seem to lead to the possibility of me having a form of autism (as the "health" industries name it). Shutting up that side might not be particularly easy for me; i.e. saying to not count the count of 4 or 6 - I would not find that easy at all.

Trance is when your brain waves enter a 'slowed down' state which is very much akin to entering and being asleep with the major difference being that one stays in control and aware.

Yeah. I know it as knowledge, but experience and understanding, no. I hope to try and find a similarity, example or analogy for me to refer to, to help me try and realise it.

 

[Henu the Great]

I hope to try and find a similarity, example or analogy for me to refer to, to help me try and realise it.

Relax and let go of your analytic mind. That is it in a nutshell.

 

[AFODO]

i.e. saying to not count the count of 4 or 6 - I would not find that easy at all.

I referred to the reps and not the duration of each part of the breathing exercise i.e. you can definitely count how long you are inhaling, keeping it in, than exhaling if thats better for you.

I bet you can overcome anything and that you make unnecessary barriers for yourself. Just do it, nothing will come from nothing.

 

[Windstrider666]

I also have had difficulty entering trance at will. Generally speaking I am very prone to daydreaming and sitting back and imagining scenarios and scenes come very easy to me. Yet I never had that feeling of everything being distant. The same went when it came to doing activities like illustrating. I would suddenly get into it and hours would pass without realizing it. In the past few months though I had started studying about a state of consciousness known as flow. As I continued learning about it I noticed similarities between the "Flow State" And "Trance".

• Trance: This state is often associated with a deep level of concentration or absorption in an activity, leading to a reduced awareness of one's surroundings. Trance states are commonly linked to repetitive actions or sensory inputs, meditation, rituals, and certain forms of music. In a trance, individuals may experience a disconnection from physical reality, an altered state of consciousness, or a heightened focus on internal thoughts or feelings.
• Flow: Flow, a concept popularized by psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, refers to a state of optimal experience characterized by complete immersion and engagement in an activity. This state is marked by a sense of effortlessness, a loss of self-consciousness, and a feeling that time is either flying by or has slowed down. Flow is often experienced during activities that challenge one's skills and abilities, leading to personal satisfaction and peak performance.

Similarities between trance and flow:

1. Deep Immersion: Both states involve a deep level of immersion in the task or activity at hand. This immersion leads to a significant reduction in the awareness of external stimuli, making the individual deeply engrossed in their current experience.
2. Altered Sense of Time: Individuals experiencing trance or flow may perceive time differently from usual. Time may seem to pass very quickly or, conversely, appear to slow down.
3. Reduced Self-Consciousness: In both states, people often report a reduction in self-consciousness or self-awareness. This allows them to engage more fully with the activity without being hindered by self-doubt or introspection.
4. Enhanced Focus and Concentration: Trance and flow both involve heightened focus and concentration. This laser-like focus allows individuals to engage with the task at a deeper level, often leading to better performance or a more profound experience.
5. Sense of Effortlessness: Despite potentially engaging in complex or challenging tasks, individuals in a state of flow or trance often feel that their actions are effortless. This sense of ease contributes to the enjoyment and satisfaction derived from the activity.
6. Emotional Engagement: Both states can be accompanied by strong emotional experiences, whether it's the joy and satisfaction associated with flow or the profound spiritual or emotional revelations that can occur in a trance.

Both states of consciousness rely on the brain to fall into the alpha and theta brainwave state. I think the main difference between the 2 is the direction of the engagement of the mind. In a flow state the brain focuses on the external world. An athlete, a painter, or even a scientist when in a state of flow used their heightened cognitive functions to engage in the outer world. In a trance state the opposite occurs. One focuses on the internal world. This is how one is able to perform self hypnosis or other soul related meditations.

One of the biggest things that hold someone back, at least in my opinion, is "expectations". The more one listens to the experiences of others the more one subconsciously believes "that" is how its suppose to work. The mind then rejects any experience that doesn't conform subconsciously. Just let go of any preconceived notions and just be. The more one experience, the more one learns, the more one will be able to understand those experiences. Forget the fear of failure as one doesn't even know failure until one tries. The caution and warning should be heeded by those who know more but the experiences themselves although similar are deeply personal and will have subtle nuance differences as we are individuals.

 

[Draconi666]

I tried this.
It wasn't a so called "proper" method but basically I just wanted to take a nap.

But I tried to simultaneously stay awake as I tried to sleep. I ended with the floaty sensation again. I could no longer feel my body. Immense pressure in my head.

Basically it felt like a trance.

So instead of doing hours and hours of "void meditation" where I'm trying super hard to focus, I just tried to "remain aware as I fell asleep".

It seems easier when thought of like this.

Is this the right attitude for trance? I'm not trying to focus so hard anymore but just trying to "remain aware as I fall asleep".

https://satanslibrary.org/ExposingChristianity/15_Minute_Meditation.zip Here is guided trance by HP Maxine mp3

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Something else that may come with an intense Flow State is the "out of body experience" where instead of seeing with your eyes, you switch to seeing with your psychic vision and you are viewing your own body from the perspective of being above and looking down at yourself. Usually this is only for a short moment, but is an extremely intense feeling.

 

[FancyMancy]

Relax and let go of your analytic mind. That is it in a nutshell.

Someone said to me about being analytical before. Since then, I realised that I can over-analyse things, and it has been said on here about me before.

I referred to the reps and not the duration of each part of the breathing exercise i.e. you can definitely count how long you are inhaling, keeping it in, than exhaling if thats better for you.

I bet you can overcome anything and that you make unnecessary barriers for yourself. Just do it, nothing will come from nothing.

Oh, lol. I misunderstood what you meant.