spirituality and drugs

[lucia_arkwright]

This is controversial topic, and I dont want anyone to try drugs
without much thought and research because of this discussion, but I
think it's wise to talk and share information of this. I post it here
as in joy-of-satan it might be dangerous to those still weakwilled.

I have history of trying various intoxicants, and some of them have
been of great help in advancing my spirituality. Nowdays I dont use
them much anymore, I feel that I learned all I that they had to teach
and I've got all I wanted from them. Only substance I ever had
problems to control was weed - it became daily which depressess and
destroys willpower. But about the other side of drugs:

Amanita muscaria, or dry agargic properly prepared can get you to
contact spirits/gods - at that time I didnt know of them and behaved
stupidly, but luckily I my greedy pleas were positively ignored. No
use nowdays as I can connect with demons with relative ease.
LSD - the one I had most benefit, two years ago I used heavy dose
(3.5 blots or roughly 700 mg) and felt enlightened. After that I have
never had troubles in achieving trance state, I can get to mild trance
in few seconds nowdays. It was a shortcut for me, I probaply would
never had the patience to meditate to this state otherwise.
Weed, after years of occasional use - nowdays in very controlled use,
it acts on me as strong empowerer of psychical strenght. It distracts
the thoughts, but when concentrated, I can channel and use much more
energy when under influence of THC.
Magic mushrooms are very spiritual and hallucinogenic. Havent tried
them after I grew spiritual, but I believe they can be of help in
contacting and communicating with entities.
Salvia extract - haven't tried, but it is said to be very heavy
experience, and it reportedly OFTEN takes you to planes of exsistence
where greys/aliens are, and they are not friendly. Beware or you may
become mindraped - and if you're not strong, salvia paralyzes you so
that you're helpless there. As interesting idea, with very great
willpower, this might be a gateway for attacking them.

That's about the useful intoxicants I can think of. Opiates arent
beneficial in any way, Amphetamines, specially meta kind that is
popular in USA ruins your brains, same with coce, crack and xtc -
there was time when I used extacy almost weekly for few months, and it
destroyed my ability to visualise. Its been a pain to lelearn it, and
I still cant do it well. Though here controlled use of drugs does help
- visualisation under hallucinogenics is easier, and if I do practice
under influence of them, my brains remembers later how to do it.
About various research chemicals - some might have spiritual affects
but are way too unresearched to know if they are too dangerous to use.
Good places to get information about the subject are for example
www.lycaeum.org and www.erowid.org

If you're not well over 20's, dont even consider using drugs, your
mind is still evolving and you're in risk-group. But if you're adult,
strongwilled and know what you're doing and have considered all the
personal and legal risks, they may help your spiritual growth or
enpower you more in rites and communication.
Knowledge brings responsibility.

What kind of experiences or views you have on drugs?

I wonder if the reason behind why police in USA mainly concentrates on
weed but lets speed and crack run rampart is that it enables people
spiritually?

 

[ria a.d.]

This topic in spiritual groups comes up from some corner ...always kinda like the topic of sex at a good dinner outing with close friends....at least my friends... the topic always comes up....hehehe   As I mentioned in another group when it comes to drugs and the spiritual... certain ones do still the mind and help one explore openly without having to do the hard work you just let go... they pry open doors that perhaps you didn't have the smarts or guts to and other doors just burst open and you just glide in on some trip! then you realize..."wow!"   however the issue in today's world is that when you do make a massive discovery on the path it takes away alot of the credibility...it puts an immediate...downer label...on the whole great discovery and it gets ruled as ..."Oh he was on drugs...no big meditational spiritual conquest...he was just on drugs..." so definite yes! stay away until you do resolve many issues and until your mind is really up for it... drugs never solved issues....that they never have....even the drugs in the mental facilities...in essence...well they calm individuals ...keep the calm long enough to realize the problem at hand.etc....long discussion on that and don't want to go there. where I do want to go is In the olden days of the tribes and the community involvement in the vision quests it was awhole different deal. Sure! take the ayahuasca or the peyote and go climb the mountain and come back in  3 days.   And the tribe members would secretly be around the mountain leaving food and herbs and water..and looking out for "little hawk" now a days that isn't the case ...the street drugs are "ass" and mixed with junk that isn't even supposed to be there...and some other stuff  may be.... good for one thing but maybe not for what you[/B] need... so the Need to research is very much there.   Even special K gets talk about taking people through great adventures if in a hole...it is like the rabbits hole...but still the need of the tribe is there.....the right amounts the right friends the right mindset... the mindset that wishes to go to places with courage and open eyes and open heart...and knowledge not[/B] as an escape or as a means to get somewhere you alone with no influence were unable to get to.   I say get there first and then explore if you want to but most defiantly research...   here are some books...a friend posted in another discussion once had...and Wilson is just great so I most agree with some of the authors .... have fun and Read!   Sex, Drugs & Magick
By Robert Anton Wilson


The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants:
Ethnopharmacology and Its Applications
By Christian Ratsch


Under The Influence:
The Disinformation Guide to Drugs


The Spirit Molecule
By Rick Strassman


The Psychedelic Experience
By Timothy Leary


True Hallucinations
By Terence McKenna



The Archaic Revival:
Speculations on Psychedelic Mushrooms...
By Terence K. McKenna


Food of the Gods:
The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge:
A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution
By Terence McKenna


Ketamine:
Dreams and Realities
By Karl Jansen


Absinthe: Sip of Seduction:
A Contemporary Guide
By Wittels, Hermesch, Breaux


Zig Zag Zen
By Allan Hunt Badiner, Alex Grey, Huston Smith


LSD - My Problem Child
By Dr. Albert Hoffman

lucia_arkwright <lilaea@... wrote:

<tt>This is controversial topic, and I dont want anyone to try drugs
without much thought and research because of this discussion, but I
think it's wise to talk and share information of this. I post it here
as in joy-of-satan it might be dangerous to those still weakwilled.

I have history of trying various intoxicants, and some of them have
been of great help in advancing my spirituality. Nowdays I dont use
them much anymore, I feel that I learned all I that they had to teach
and I've got all I wanted from them. Only substance I ever had
problems to control was weed - it became daily which depressess and
destroys willpower. But about the other side of drugs:

Amanita muscaria, or dry agargic properly prepared can get you to
contact spirits/gods - at that time I didnt know of them and behaved
stupidly, but luckily I my greedy pleas were positively ignored. No
use nowdays as I can connect with demons with relative ease.
LSD - the one I had most benefit, two years ago I used heavy dose
(3.5 blots or roughly 700 mg) and felt enlightened. After that I have
never had troubles in achieving trance state, I can get to mild trance
in few seconds nowdays. It was a shortcut for me, I probaply would
never had the patience to meditate to this state otherwise.
Weed, after years of occasional use - nowdays in very controlled use,
it acts on me as strong empowerer of psychical strenght. It distracts
the thoughts, but when concentrated, I can channel and use much more
energy when under influence of THC.
Magic mushrooms are very spiritual and hallucinogenic. Havent tried
them after I grew spiritual, but I believe they can be of help in
contacting and communicating with entities. 
Salvia extract - haven't tried, but it is said to be very heavy
experience, and it reportedly OFTEN takes you to planes of exsistence
where greys/aliens are, and they are not friendly. Beware or you may
become mindraped - and if you're not strong, salvia paralyzes you so
that you're helpless there. As interesting idea, with very great
willpower, this might be a gateway for attacking them.

That's about the useful intoxicants I can think of. Opiates arent
beneficial in any way, Amphetamines, specially meta kind that is
popular in USA ruins your brains, same with coce, crack and xtc -
there was time when I used extacy almost weekly for few months, and it
destroyed my ability to visualise. Its been a pain to lelearn it, and
I still cant do it well. Though here controlled use of drugs does help
- visualisation under hallucinogenics is easier, and if I do practice
under influence of them, my brains remembers later how to do it.
About various research chemicals - some might have spiritual affects
but are way too unresearched to know if they are too dangerous to use.
Good places to get information about the subject are for example
www.lycaeum.org and www.erowid.org

If you're not well over 20's, dont even consider using drugs, your
mind is still evolving and you're in risk-group. But if you're adult,
strongwilled and know what you're doing and have considered all the
personal and legal risks, they may help your spiritual growth or
enpower you more in rites and communication.
Knowledge brings responsibility.

What kind of experiences or views you have on drugs?

I wonder if the reason behind why police in USA mainly concentrates on
weed but lets speed and crack run rampart is that it enables people
spiritually?






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[High Priestess Maxine Dietrich]

I smoked weed when I was a teen and it was enough for me. I have a
different brain. I hallucinated on weed. Yes- just weed. Sort of
funny, I remember walking down the street sky high and seeing a
woman with her tongue hanging out her mouth and her bus change
neatly stacked on top. I saw other things as well. I guess I had a
sensitivity to it that most others don't have. I have never
been "normal." Many of us Satanists find we were different early on
in life.

Drugs and related substances alter the chemistry in your body and
brain permanently. I smoked dusted weed as well. This was popular
back in the 70's- angel dust. To this day- I still have gaps and
have not touched any drugs for over 25 years.

Any drug we put into our system, recreational or otherwise-
prescribed, over the counter, it alters the body chemistry. This is
one reason so many old people take pills upon pills. The alterations
in brain/body chemistry are permanent.

Meditation is natural. The changes we experience are natural and not
harmful.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lucia_arkwright"
<lilaea@y... wrote:

This is controversial topic, and I dont want anyone to try drugs
without much thought and research because of this discussion, but I
think it's wise to talk and share information of this. I post it

here

as in joy-of-satan it might be dangerous to those still weakwilled.

I have history of trying various intoxicants, and some of them have
been of great help in advancing my spirituality. Nowdays I dont use
them much anymore, I feel that I learned all I that they had to

teach

and I've got all I wanted from them. Only substance I ever had
problems to control was weed - it became daily which depressess and
destroys willpower. But about the other side of drugs:

Amanita muscaria, or dry agargic properly prepared can get you to
contact spirits/gods - at that time I didnt know of them and

behaved

stupidly, but luckily I my greedy pleas were positively ignored. No
use nowdays as I can connect with demons with relative ease.
LSD - the one I had most benefit, two years ago I used heavy dose
(3.5 blots or roughly 700 mg) and felt enlightened. After that I

have

never had troubles in achieving trance state, I can get to mild

trance

in few seconds nowdays. It was a shortcut for me, I probaply would
never had the patience to meditate to this state otherwise.
Weed, after years of occasional use - nowdays in very controlled

use,

it acts on me as strong empowerer of psychical strenght. It

distracts

the thoughts, but when concentrated, I can channel and use much

more

energy when under influence of THC.
Magic mushrooms are very spiritual and hallucinogenic. Havent

tried

them after I grew spiritual, but I believe they can be of help in
contacting and communicating with entities.
Salvia extract - haven't tried, but it is said to be very heavy
experience, and it reportedly OFTEN takes you to planes of

exsistence

where greys/aliens are, and they are not friendly. Beware or you

may

become mindraped - and if you're not strong, salvia paralyzes you

so

that you're helpless there. As interesting idea, with very great
willpower, this might be a gateway for attacking them.

That's about the useful intoxicants I can think of. Opiates arent
beneficial in any way, Amphetamines, specially meta kind that is
popular in USA ruins your brains, same with coce, crack and xtc -
there was time when I used extacy almost weekly for few months,

and it

destroyed my ability to visualise. Its been a pain to lelearn it,

and

I still cant do it well. Though here controlled use of drugs does

help

- visualisation under hallucinogenics is easier, and if I do

practice

under influence of them, my brains remembers later how to do it.
About various research chemicals - some might have spiritual

affects

but are way too unresearched to know if they are too dangerous to

use.

Good places to get information about the subject are for example
www.lycaeum.org and www.erowid.org

If you're not well over 20's, dont even consider using drugs, your
mind is still evolving and you're in risk-group. But if you're

adult,

strongwilled and know what you're doing and have considered all the
personal and legal risks, they may help your spiritual growth or
enpower you more in rites and communication.
Knowledge brings responsibility.

What kind of experiences or views you have on drugs?

I wonder if the reason behind why police in USA mainly

concentrates on

weed but lets speed and crack run rampart is that it enables people
spiritually?

 

[Kate Morrison]

But if we do meditations or reach Godhead do the alterations on the brain chemistry go back to the way they were?

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxinedietrich@... wrote:

<tt>

I smoked weed when I was a teen and it was enough for me. I have a
different brain. I hallucinated on weed. Yes- just weed. Sort of
funny, I remember walking down the street sky high and seeing a
woman with her tongue hanging out her mouth and her bus change
neatly stacked on top. I saw other things as well. I guess I had a
sensitivity to it that most others don't have. I have never
been "normal." Many of us Satanists find we were different early on
in life.

Drugs and related substances alter the chemistry in your body and
brain permanently. I smoked dusted weed as well. This was popular
back in the 70's- angel dust. To this day- I still have gaps and
have not touched any drugs for over 25 years.

Any drug we put into our system, recreational or otherwise-
prescribed, over the counter, it alters the body chemistry. This is
one reason so many old people take pills upon pills. The alterations
in brain/body chemistry are permanent.

Meditation is natural. The changes we experience are natural and not
harmful.


--- In [email protected], "lucia_arkwright"
<lilaea@y... wrote:

This is controversial topic, and I dont want anyone to try drugs
without much thought and research because of this discussion, but I
think it's wise to talk and share information of this. I post it
here
as in joy-of-satan it might be dangerous to those still weakwilled.

I have history of trying various intoxicants, and some of them have
been of great help in advancing my spirituality. Nowdays I dont use
them much anymore, I feel that I learned all I that they had to
teach
and I've got all I wanted from them. Only substance I ever had
problems to control was weed - it became daily which depressess and
destroys willpower. But about the other side of drugs:

  Amanita muscaria, or dry agargic properly prepared can get you to
contact spirits/gods - at that time I didnt know of them and
behaved
stupidly, but luckily I my greedy pleas were positively ignored. No
use nowdays as I can connect with demons with relative ease.
  LSD - the one I had most benefit, two years ago I used heavy dose
(3.5 blots or roughly 700 mg) and felt enlightened. After that I
have
never had troubles in achieving trance state, I can get to mild
trance
in few seconds nowdays. It was a shortcut for me, I probaply would
never had the patience to meditate to this state otherwise.
  Weed, after years of occasional use - nowdays in very controlled
use,
it acts on me as strong empowerer of psychical strenght. It
distracts
the thoughts, but when concentrated, I can channel and use much
more
energy when under influence of THC.
  Magic mushrooms are very spiritual and hallucinogenic. Havent
tried
them after I grew spiritual, but I believe they can be of help in
contacting and communicating with entities. 
  Salvia extract - haven't tried, but it is said to be very heavy
experience, and it reportedly OFTEN takes you to planes of
exsistence
where greys/aliens are, and they are not friendly. Beware or you
may
become mindraped - and if you're not strong, salvia paralyzes you
so
that you're helpless there. As interesting idea, with very great
willpower, this might be a gateway for attacking them.

That's about the useful intoxicants I can think of. Opiates arent
beneficial in any way, Amphetamines, specially meta kind that is
popular in USA ruins your brains, same with coce, crack and xtc -
there was time when I used extacy almost weekly for few months,
and it
destroyed my ability to visualise. Its been a pain to lelearn it,
and
I still cant do it well. Though here controlled use of drugs does
help
- visualisation under hallucinogenics is easier, and if I do
practice
under influence of them, my brains remembers later how to do it.
About various research chemicals - some might have spiritual
affects
but are way too unresearched to know if they are too dangerous to
use.
Good places to get information about the subject are for example
www.lycaeum.org and www.erowid.org

If you're not well over 20's, dont even consider using drugs, your
mind is still evolving and you're in risk-group. But if you're
adult,
strongwilled and know what you're doing and have considered all the
personal and legal risks, they may help your spiritual growth or
enpower you more in rites and communication.
Knowledge brings responsibility.

What kind of experiences or views you have on drugs?

I wonder if the reason behind why police in USA mainly
concentrates on
weed but lets speed and crack run rampart is that it enables people
spiritually?





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[High Priestess Maxine Dietrich]

I don't know. Many of us have used drugs. The drugs open the mind
artificially and meditation is natural. I do know meditation alters
the brain naturally, but to what extent this will affect, I have no
idea.

-- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Kate Morrison
<virtual_comunicator@y... wrote:

But if we do meditations or reach Godhead do the alterations on

the brain chemistry go back to the way they were?

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxinedietrich@y... wrote:


I smoked weed when I was a teen and it was enough for me. I have a
different brain. I hallucinated on weed. Yes- just weed. Sort of
funny, I remember walking down the street sky high and seeing a
woman with her tongue hanging out her mouth and her bus change
neatly stacked on top. I saw other things as well. I guess I had a
sensitivity to it that most others don't have. I have never
been "normal." Many of us Satanists find we were different early

on

in life.

Drugs and related substances alter the chemistry in your body and
brain permanently. I smoked dusted weed as well. This was popular
back in the 70's- angel dust. To this day- I still have gaps and
have not touched any drugs for over 25 years.

Any drug we put into our system, recreational or otherwise-
prescribed, over the counter, it alters the body chemistry. This

is

one reason so many old people take pills upon pills. The

alterations

in brain/body chemistry are permanent.

Meditation is natural. The changes we experience are natural and

not

harmful.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lucia_arkwright"
<lilaea@y... wrote:

This is controversial topic, and I dont want anyone to try drugs
without much thought and research because of this discussion,

but I

think it's wise to talk and share information of this. I post it
here
as in joy-of-satan it might be dangerous to those still

weakwilled.

I have history of trying various intoxicants, and some of them

have

been of great help in advancing my spirituality. Nowdays I dont

use

them much anymore, I feel that I learned all I that they had to
teach
and I've got all I wanted from them. Only substance I ever had
problems to control was weed - it became daily which depressess

and

destroys willpower. But about the other side of drugs:

Amanita muscaria, or dry agargic properly prepared can get you

to

contact spirits/gods - at that time I didnt know of them and
behaved
stupidly, but luckily I my greedy pleas were positively ignored.

No

use nowdays as I can connect with demons with relative ease.
LSD - the one I had most benefit, two years ago I used heavy

dose

(3.5 blots or roughly 700 mg) and felt enlightened. After that I
have
never had troubles in achieving trance state, I can get to mild
trance
in few seconds nowdays. It was a shortcut for me, I probaply

would

never had the patience to meditate to this state otherwise.
Weed, after years of occasional use - nowdays in very

controlled

use,
it acts on me as strong empowerer of psychical strenght. It
distracts
the thoughts, but when concentrated, I can channel and use much
more
energy when under influence of THC.
Magic mushrooms are very spiritual and hallucinogenic. Havent
tried
them after I grew spiritual, but I believe they can be of help in
contacting and communicating with entities.
Salvia extract - haven't tried, but it is said to be very heavy
experience, and it reportedly OFTEN takes you to planes of
exsistence
where greys/aliens are, and they are not friendly. Beware or you
may
become mindraped - and if you're not strong, salvia paralyzes

you

so
that you're helpless there. As interesting idea, with very great
willpower, this might be a gateway for attacking them.

That's about the useful intoxicants I can think of. Opiates arent
beneficial in any way, Amphetamines, specially meta kind that is
popular in USA ruins your brains, same with coce, crack and xtc -
there was time when I used extacy almost weekly for few months,
and it
destroyed my ability to visualise. Its been a pain to lelearn

it,

and
I still cant do it well. Though here controlled use of drugs

does

help
- visualisation under hallucinogenics is easier, and if I do
practice
under influence of them, my brains remembers later how to do it.
About various research chemicals - some might have spiritual
affects
but are way too unresearched to know if they are too dangerous

to

use.
Good places to get information about the subject are for example
www.lycaeum.org and www.erowid.org

If you're not well over 20's, dont even consider using drugs,

your

mind is still evolving and you're in risk-group. But if you're
adult,
strongwilled and know what you're doing and have considered all

the

personal and legal risks, they may help your spiritual growth or
enpower you more in rites and communication.
Knowledge brings responsibility.

What kind of experiences or views you have on drugs?

I wonder if the reason behind why police in USA mainly
concentrates on
weed but lets speed and crack run rampart is that it enables

people

spiritually?







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