solar return question

[ch_3_coo]

In my solar return for this year there's a 10th house emphasis and Saturn is transiting into my 10th house conjuncting my midheaven. So it seems obvious to me that I will start a career. But my question is how can I find out what kind of career I'd likely get involved in? Do stars have an effect if conjunct an angle? What about degrees with the ascendant and angles? Scorpio is my MC natally also. I took like 3 hours to teach myself how to read a solar return by reading what I could find online, so I'm not too confident in my ability to interpret it properly. Any help would be great!


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[m_18]

<td val[/IMG]The 10th H is the house of public standing & government, not career. Not everyone has a career. Everyone does have public standing & a relationship with the government. However, if you have a career, then that is part of public standing.   Like everything else in astrology, nothing operates in isolation. You have to look at everything else in your chart to undertand what is going on.   The fact that you are asking about starting a career because apparently, you don't have one, means that you have nothing even going on either that even points to having a career in the future. Therefore, you need to look at the this placement from another perspectuve. And if you want a career, do something first that will eventually get you a career. It is doubtful you would start one this year if you don't even know what it is that you would do to even have a career. Now it could mean that you will start one, but seeing that this a solar return placement & not a natal one in transit etc, I doubt it. If you do, then great. Look at other things in your chart that would indicate what you might do. There is no one single thing in your chart that says what you might/could or will do. Sometimes people have an aptitude for more than one thing. There are astrology books on this topic.   There is a book on solar returns by Mary Shea. I suggest buying that. I have found very little on the net for solar return placements or transits that is of any real value. There are also very few books on the subject as well. Partially beause so much of the solar return depends on the natal conditions in progression, transit, etc. Which is really where you should focus your solar return issues on. Most of the ones out there are not very good & are over-priced if bought new.   Also, did you get your solar return chart done for the location that you were in on your solar return vs where you were born?   Look to the JoS site for the fixed stars info.
m_18    

--- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@... wrote:

From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:18 AM

  In my solar return for this year there's a 10th house emphasis and Saturn is transiting into my 10th house conjuncting my midheaven. So it seems obvious to me that I will start a career. But my question is how can I find out what kind of career I'd likely get involved in? Do stars have an effect if conjunct an angle? What about degrees with the ascendant and angles? Scorpio is my MC natally also. I took like 3 hours to teach myself how to read a solar return by reading what I could find online, so I'm not too confident in my ability to interpret it properly. Any help would be great!

http://tinypic.com/r/35d1b9y/6
http://tinypic.com/r/mj7sk6/6
http://tinypic.com/r/8y9bw0/6

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[m_18]

<td val[/IMG]I forgot to mention too that this house rules one of your parents. Usually the non-nurturing parent. That is usally the father. Also if you have Gemini on this house, you may have more than one person who fits this description. They can be someone else who plays this role in your life such as an uncle, a step-father, etc., etc. Also Gemini here natally could also mean that at some point a role reversal could occur. The death of one of the parents or divorce of the parents could alter the circumstances, etc.

m_18    

--- On Wed, 12/26/12, m_18 <magus_18@... wrote:

From: m_18 <magus_18@...
Subject: Re: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 2:37 PM

 

<td vAl[/IMG] The 10th H is the house of public standing & government, not career. Not everyone has a career. Everyone does have public standing & a relationship with the government. However, if you have a career, then that is part of public standing.   Like everything else in astrology, nothing operates in isolation. You have to look at everything else in your chart to undertand what is going on.   The fact that you are asking about starting a career because apparently, you don't have one, means that you have nothing even going on either that even points to having a career in the future. Therefore, you need to look at the this placement from another perspectuve. And if you want a career, do something first that will eventually get you a career. It is doubtful you would start one this year if you don't even know what it is that you would do to even have a career. Now it could mean that you will start one, but seeing that this a solar return placement & not a natal one in transit etc, I doubt it. If you do, then great. Look at other things in your chart that would indicate what you might do. There is no one single thing in your chart that says what you might/could or will do. Sometimes people have an aptitude for more than one thing. There are astrology books on this topic.   There is a book on solar returns by Mary Shea. I suggest buying that. I have found very little on the net for solar return placements or transits that is of any real value. There are also very few books on the subject as well. Partially beause so much of the solar return depends on the natal conditions in progression, transit, etc. Which is really where you should focus your solar return issues on. Most of the ones out there are not very good & are over-priced if bought new.   Also, did you get your solar return chart done for the location that you were in on your solar return vs where you were born?   Look to the JoS site for the fixed stars info.
m_18     --- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@... wrote:

From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:18 AM

  In my solar return for this year there's a 10th house emphasis and Saturn is transiting into my 10th house conjuncting my midheaven. So it seems obvious to me that I will start a career. But my question is how can I find out what kind of career I'd likely get involved in? Do stars have an effect if conjunct an angle? What about degrees with the ascendant and angles? Scorpio is my MC natally also. I took like 3 hours to teach myself how to read a solar return by reading what I could find online, so I'm not too confident in my ability to interpret it properly. Any help would be great!

http://tinypic.com/r/35d1b9y/6
http://tinypic.com/r/mj7sk6/6
http://tinypic.com/r/8y9bw0/6

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[ch_3_coo]

I did the solar return on astrotheme I put where I was born and where I was for the return. I was thinking I would start something since there is a new moon and because the MC is 0 degrees. Also it's in Virgo for work. And I'm done with college and will have to start working soon anyway.
But that is interesting you mentioned the death of a parent because Saturn will be going over my fathers ascendant pretty soon and I did wonder if that could indicate death. Especially when it goes retrograde this February.

http://www.astrotheme.com/solar_revolution.php

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], m_18 <magus_18@... wrote:

I forgot to mention too that this house rules one of your parents. Usually the non-nurturing parent. That is usally the father. Also if you have Gemini on this house, you may have more than one person who fits this description. They can be someone else who plays this role in your life such as an uncle, a step-father, etc., etc. Also Gemini here natally could also mean that at some point a role reversal could occur. The death of one of the parents or divorce of the parents could alter the circumstances, etc.

m_18
 
 
--- On Wed, 12/26/12, m_18 <magus_18@... wrote:


From: m_18 <magus_18@...
Subject: Re: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 2:37 PM



 








The 10th H is the house of public standing & government, not career. Not everyone has a career. Everyone does have public standing & a relationship with the government. However, if you have a career, then that is part of public standing.
 
Like everything else in astrology, nothing operates in isolation. You have to look at everything else in your chart to undertand what is going on.
 
The fact that you are asking about starting a career because apparently, you don't have one, means that you have nothing even going on either that even points to having a career in the future. Therefore, you need to look at the this placement from another perspectuve. And if you want a career, do something first that will eventually get you a career. It is doubtful you would start one this year if you don't even know what it is that you would do to even have a career. Now it could mean that you will start one, but seeing that this a solar return placement & not a natal one in transit etc, I doubt it. If you do, then great. Look at other things in your chart that would indicate what you might do. There is no one single thing in your chart that says what you might/could or will do. Sometimes people have an aptitude for more than one thing. There are astrology books on this topic.
 
There is a book on solar returns by Mary Shea. I suggest buying that. I have found very little on the net for solar return placements or transits that is of any real value. There are also very few books on the subject as well. Partially beause so much of the solar return depends on the natal conditions in progression, transit, etc. Which is really where you should focus your solar return issues on. Most of the ones out there are not very good & are over-priced if bought new.
 
Also, did you get your solar return chart done for the location that you were in on your solar return vs where you were born?
 
Look to the JoS site for the fixed stars info.

m_18
 
 
--- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@... wrote:


From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:18 AM



 

In my solar return for this year there's a 10th house emphasis and Saturn is transiting into my 10th house conjuncting my midheaven. So it seems obvious to me that I will start a career. But my question is how can I find out what kind of career I'd likely get involved in? Do stars have an effect if conjunct an angle? What about degrees with the ascendant and angles? Scorpio is my MC natally also. I took like 3 hours to teach myself how to read a solar return by reading what I could find online, so I'm not too confident in my ability to interpret it properly. Any help would be great!

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[f.follets]

In addition, you return's Midheaven is 0 degrees Virgo.

Zero degrees of any mutable sign in prediction means beginnings that are likely to change or will not last. Important, strong (sometimes sudden) beginnings are given by 0 degrees of cardinal signs, and permanent beginnings by the fixed signs. Often a combination of both cardinal and fixed influences is needed to imply that something really important will begin in the life. While having an important point at 0 degrees of a sign in prognostic charts isn't actually necessary for something to start or change, having one gives a clear idea of how that will be. Mutable signs usually lead to indecision, trying many things at once (especially with Gemini) or endeavours that end up in nothing (especially with Pisces).

Mary Fortier Shea's Planets in Solar Returns is a good book indeed. I actually started studying returns with it and it gave me a very good base to look for other stuff later on. Celeste Teal's Predicting Events With Astrology is also a very good read, it provides information on all major prediction techniques. They are available at amazon.com in Kindle format for $25 together.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], m_18 <magus_18@... wrote:

The 10th H is the house of public standing & government, not career. Not everyone has a career. Everyone does have public standing & a relationship with the government. However, if you have a career, then that is part of public standing.
 
Like everything else in astrology, nothing operates in isolation. You have to look at everything else in your chart to undertand what is going on.
 
The fact that you are asking about starting a career because apparently, you don't have one, means that you have nothing even going on either that even points to having a career in the future. Therefore, you need to look at the this placement from another perspectuve. And if you want a career, do something first that will eventually get you a career. It is doubtful you would start one this year if you don't even know what it is that you would do to even have a career. Now it could mean that you will start one, but seeing that this a solar return placement & not a natal one in transit etc, I doubt it. If you do, then great. Look at other things in your chart that would indicate what you might do. There is no one single thing in your chart that says what you might/could or will do. Sometimes people have an aptitude for more than one thing. There are astrology books on this topic.
 
There is a book on solar returns by Mary Shea. I suggest buying that. I have found very little on the net for solar return placements or transits that is of any real value. There are also very few books on the subject as well. Partially beause so much of the solar return depends on the natal conditions in progression, transit, etc. Which is really where you should focus your solar return issues on. Most of the ones out there are not very good & are over-priced if bought new.
 
Also, did you get your solar return chart done for the location that you were in on your solar return vs where you were born?
 
Look to the JoS site for the fixed stars info.

m_18
 
 
--- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@... wrote:


From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:18 AM



 



In my solar return for this year there's a 10th house emphasis and Saturn is transiting into my 10th house conjuncting my midheaven. So it seems obvious to me that I will start a career. But my question is how can I find out what kind of career I'd likely get involved in? Do stars have an effect if conjunct an angle? What about degrees with the ascendant and angles? Scorpio is my MC natally also. I took like 3 hours to teach myself how to read a solar return by reading what I could find online, so I'm not too confident in my ability to interpret it properly. Any help would be great!

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[m_18]

<td val[/IMG]Death is probably the hardest thing to predict in anyone's chart.   Use the solar return transits to help you work out what is happening in your natal chart at the time of the corresponding natal transits. The solar return chart shouldn't be used in isolation. Also do a Venus return chart. The Venus Return transits, I watch almost daily. More so than the Solar return transits. But that is for a partucular reason for things going on in my life now. But Venus rules money. Some will argue otherwise (Robert Hand), but my experience says that it absolutely, without question, does rule money. At least money that YOU personally generate. (2nd H)   If you are out of school now, then what did you go to school to learn how to do? Based on that, your questioning seems confusing. Now perhaps there is more than one thing that you can do with your education? Since you have finished school, then perhaps that time might very well be fitting.   Use the Venus Return transits to negoiate money. Having the transit cross the MC is not the sole basis of timing. Look for other factors near that time & work with them. Starting a job & getting a job are 2 different things. Get the job first & then try to start at the best time that you can that is available to you. Your job will also have a chart as well. If the begining of a career, then that job chart will also be your career chart.   Mars Returns seem to be, for me anyway, the most common way of determining new beginings.   The 6th H describes the working conditions/circumstances of your actual job.   m_18

--- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@... wrote:

From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] Re: solar return question
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:25 PM

  I did the solar return on astrotheme I put where I was born and where I was for the return. I was thinking I would start something since there is a new moon and because the MC is 0 degrees. Also it's in Virgo for work. And I'm done with college and will have to start working soon anyway.
But that is interesting you mentioned the death of a parent because Saturn will be going over my fathers ascendant pretty soon and I did wonder if that could indicate death. Especially when it goes retrograde this February.

http://www.astrotheme.com/solar_revolution.php

--- In [[email protected]][email protected][/email], m_18 <magus_18@... wrote:

I forgot to mention too that this house rules one of your parents. Usually the non-nurturing parent. That is usally the father. Also if you have Gemini on this house, you may have more than one person who fits this description. They can be someone else who plays this role in your life such as an uncle, a step-father, etc., etc. Also Gemini here natally could also mean that at some point a role reversal could occur. The death of one of the parents or divorce of the parents could alter the circumstances, etc.

m_18
 
 
--- On Wed, 12/26/12, m_18 <magus_18@... wrote:


From: m_18 <magus_18@...
Subject: Re: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [[email protected]][email protected][/email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 2:37 PM



 








The 10th H is the house of public standing & government, not career. Not everyone has a career. Everyone does have public standing & a relationship with the government. However, if you have a career, then that is part of public standing.
 
Like everything else in astrology, nothing operates in isolation. You have to look at everything else in your chart to undertand what is going on.
 
The fact that you are asking about starting a career because apparently, you don't have one, means that you have nothing even going on either that even points to having a career in the future. Therefore, you need to look at the this placement from another perspectuve. And if you want a career, do something first that will eventually get you a career. It is doubtful you would start one this year if you don't even know what it is that you would do to even have a career. Now it could mean that you will start one, but seeing that this a solar return placement & not a natal one in transit etc, I doubt it. If you do, then great. Look at other things in your chart that would indicate what you might do. There is no one single thing in your chart that says what you might/could or will do. Sometimes people have an aptitude for more than one thing. There are astrology books on this topic.
 
There is a book on solar returns by Mary Shea. I suggest buying that. I have found very little on the net for solar return placements or transits that is of any real value. There are also very few books on the subject as well. Partially beause so much of the solar return depends on the natal conditions in progression, transit, etc. Which is really where you should focus your solar return issues on. Most of the ones out there are not very good & are over-priced if bought new.
 
Also, did you get your solar return chart done for the location that you were in on your solar return vs where you were born?
 
Look to the JoS site for the fixed stars info.

m_18
 
 
--- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@... wrote:


From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [[email protected]][email protected][/email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:18 AM



 

In my solar return for this year there's a 10th house emphasis and Saturn is transiting into my 10th house conjuncting my midheaven. So it seems obvious to me that I will start a career. But my question is how can I find out what kind of career I'd likely get involved in? Do stars have an effect if conjunct an angle? What about degrees with the ascendant and angles? Scorpio is my MC natally also. I took like 3 hours to teach myself how to read a solar return by reading what I could find online, so I'm not too confident in my ability to interpret it properly. Any help would be great!

http://tinypic.com/r/35d1b9y/6
http://tinypic.com/r/mj7sk6/6
http://tinypic.com/r/8y9bw0/6

[/TD]

 

[HPS Lydia]

Just jumping in quickly to say how much I love this group and the things I learn. Thanks M_18, I'm off to do my Venus & Mars transits now

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], m_18 <magus_18@... wrote:

Death is probably the hardest thing to predict in anyone's chart.
 
Use the solar return transits to help you work out what is happening in your natal chart at the time of the corresponding natal transits. The solar return chart shouldn't be used in isolation. Also do a Venus return chart. The Venus Return transits, I watch almost daily. More so than the Solar return transits. But that is for a partucular reason for things going on in my life now. But Venus rules money. Some will argue otherwise (Robert Hand), but my experience says that it absolutely, without question, does rule money. At least money that YOU personally generate. (2nd H)
 
If you are out of school now, then what did you go to school to learn how to do? Based on that, your questioning seems confusing. Now perhaps there is more than one thing that you can do with your education? Since you have finished school, then perhaps that time might very well be fitting.
 
Use the Venus Return transits to negoiate money. Having the transit cross the MC is not the sole basis of timing. Look for other factors near that time & work with them. Starting a job & getting a job are 2 different things. Get the job first & then try to start at the best time that you can that is available to you. Your job will also have a chart as well. If the begining of a career, then that job chart will also be your career chart.
 
Mars Returns seem to be, for me anyway, the most common way of determining new beginings.
 
The 6th H describes the working conditions/circumstances of your actual job.
 
m_18


--- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@... wrote:


From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@...
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] Re: solar return question
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:25 PM



 



I did the solar return on astrotheme I put where I was born and where I was for the return. I was thinking I would start something since there is a new moon and because the MC is 0 degrees. Also it's in Virgo for work. And I'm done with college and will have to start working soon anyway.
But that is interesting you mentioned the death of a parent because Saturn will be going over my fathers ascendant pretty soon and I did wonder if that could indicate death. Especially when it goes retrograde this February.

http://www.astrotheme.com/solar_revolution.php

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], m_18 <magus_18@ wrote:

I forgot to mention too that this house rules one of your parents. Usually the non-nurturing parent. That is usally the father. Also if you have Gemini on this house, you may have more than one person who fits this description. They can be someone else who plays this role in your life such as an uncle, a step-father, etc., etc. Also Gemini here natally could also mean that at some point a role reversal could occur. The death of one of the parents or divorce of the parents could alter the circumstances, etc.

m_18
 
 
--- On Wed, 12/26/12, m_18 <magus_18@ wrote:


From: m_18 <magus_18@
Subject: Re: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 2:37 PM



 








The 10th H is the house of public standing & government, not career. Not everyone has a career. Everyone does have public standing & a relationship with the government. However, if you have a career, then that is part of public standing.
 
Like everything else in astrology, nothing operates in isolation. You have to look at everything else in your chart to undertand what is going on.
 
The fact that you are asking about starting a career because apparently, you don't have one, means that you have nothing even going on either that even points to having a career in the future. Therefore, you need to look at the this placement from another perspectuve. And if you want a career, do something first that will eventually get you a career. It is doubtful you would start one this year if you don't even know what it is that you would do to even have a career. Now it could mean that you will start one, but seeing that this a solar return placement & not a natal one in transit etc, I doubt it. If you do, then great. Look at other things in your chart that would indicate what you might do. There is no one single thing in your chart that says what you might/could or will do. Sometimes people have an aptitude for more than one thing. There are astrology books on this topic.
 
There is a book on solar returns by Mary Shea. I suggest buying that. I have found very little on the net for solar return placements or transits that is of any real value. There are also very few books on the subject as well. Partially beause so much of the solar return depends on the natal conditions in progression, transit, etc. Which is really where you should focus your solar return issues on. Most of the ones out there are not very good & are over-priced if bought new.
 
Also, did you get your solar return chart done for the location that you were in on your solar return vs where you were born?
 
Look to the JoS site for the fixed stars info.

m_18
 
 
--- On Wed, 12/26/12, ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@ wrote:


From: ch_3_coo <ch_3_coo@
Subject: [JoS_Astrology] solar return question
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:18 AM



 

In my solar return for this year there's a 10th house emphasis and Saturn is transiting into my 10th house conjuncting my midheaven. So it seems obvious to me that I will start a career. But my question is how can I find out what kind of career I'd likely get involved in? Do stars have an effect if conjunct an angle? What about degrees with the ascendant and angles? Scorpio is my MC natally also. I took like 3 hours to teach myself how to read a solar return by reading what I could find online, so I'm not too confident in my ability to interpret it properly. Any help would be great!

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