SATURN

[jxk2080]

Its good, its bad, it kicks our ass, it build foundation, it destroys us, it reinforces us.

I keep getting controversy everywhere it is mentioned and its getting pretty old.

I choose to see reality as neutral, to where there is challenge, and our desire to be a certain way which is through these challenges.

Saturn can build you up depending on where it is, and where everything else is in your chart so much so that the variety is mind numbingly complex.

Maxine herself says Saturn is our worst planet, but she also rectifies this saying it can set down roots for us.

She also mentioned just because a planet is benefic does not mean it can always produce satisfactory balance.

I believe Lydia has said just because a planet is in its detriment or fall does not mean it is always bad, but that it is in a sign where its behavior is a bit counter intuitive but can lead to constructive challenge, producing a unique personality, depending how the rest of the chart implies you handle this.

The JoS website still has the Saturn square with forewarning, and despite the option for spiritual growth, people often say to just avoid it and work on their base chakra energies.

I have a friend who is obsessed with Saturn, and the impression he gives versus the progress he makes gives mixed signals sometimes.

He studies Saturn concepts abroad, even mentioning things revolving around Saturnalia and Magesons posts concerning the Romans and the Saturn ties to Satan.

Some tie Saturn to the Sun as its black nigredo counterpart.

My friend uses Saturn in all kinds of ways, and without me being right there in his day to day experiences, all I can tell is he is fascinated by its power to discipline us an such.

I personally agree about many things, but a lot of the fear mongering in the groups has convinced me doing anything directly with Saturn is pointless suffering with no reward, so?

I have told him that I will master my Saturn from a state of astrological awareness and how it ties into my own undoing and with that will rectify the suffering in my life.

I don't feel suffering is necessary, but challenge certainly is, and suffering is just excessive challenge, or the concept of destructive stress rather than constructive stress.

I seriously want to clear this up with collaborative feedback, thank you.

 

[rook75ten]

You know, that forewarning you mentioned, I’m glad it's there because some people should have listened to it.  That guy you mentioned, who's obsessed with Saturn is one such person who should have taken that warning.  In his effort to become more 'disciplined' he simply became obstinate with all the ridiculous and stupid things he believes in, it's easy to see why he left the JOS because like I said before, he can't see past himself, because he can't cope with any sort of 'critique' or affirmation.  That's the reason why you get controversy anytime Saturn is mentioned, because it’s simply a controversial planet, however some of what you say is true, the fear mongering is somewhat exaggerated, but it isn’t there without reason.  Saturn is predominantly exploited by the enemy, and its influence is nearly everywhere, However as it says on the Saturn square mantra, when sublimated it can bring success through hard work, which as you say, there’s a positive and negative side to everything. With that said I have also invoked Saturn a few times, it did work as intended for a small working that takes only 9 days, the effects took effect rather fast.There was a backlash near the end, it had somewhat of a deteriorating or entropic effect on me, which makes sense, As in the Greek mythos Kronos was known was as the great devourer.  But i mean, Saturn isn’t the only malefic planet, Pluto’s transit for me has also been rather malefic, as it’s transformative energies are rather chaotic for me, Neptune I also consider to be malefic but I have a weak Neptune so it’s effect were not as prominent as Saturn and Pluto. But Saturn is used quite a lot by the enemy, which is why it’s ‘feared’/ detested by others.

 

[jxk2080]

Yes Rook, by the way you know you could have just PMed me about this any other place, but Im presuming you wanted to bump this topic up a bit and I appreciate that.

I truly do believe what we do not understand can kill us and this is why the abstract planets from Saturn and on can be very perilous in subjecting ones self to.

I personally have some annoying Neptunian energies in some cases that took a while to acknowledge and get a hold of.

If I am to experiment on this decadent period which follows the integrity bestowed by Saturn, then it would probably be a good idea to have a working which is back to back with it on depositing the energies as intended, as with Jupiter, the Sun or other planets that keep the constructive momentum rolling.

I still stand by the fact people should not (drink) of Saturn but play with it wearing gloves so to speak.

The friend we both know has a Saturn sign certainly contrasted from mine, and with the way I view patience versus necessary action, along with other astrological intricacies I was able to realize we are meant to learn from that fine line between excessive damage, and constructive challenge that Saturn elucidates in the chart.