Re: married to an agnostic

[Martin Pena]

I would say leave him he is gonna bring you down and your occult development I had this situation with girls before, I have dated agnostics and they are no fun but I would say leave the guy and find someone who is truly compatible with you not someone who is gonna be trouble in the future, it may be good at the beginning but eventually it will get bad if not go to Satan for solutions he told me about things like that once I was talking to him on a wichboard he said nothing is more important than advancing yourself if your significant other is causing u trouble leave him or her don't let other opinions influence u but if u care for the guy go to Satan for a solution trust your heart not your mind and if he is not doing anything to fight the enemy leave him Satan hates people who associate with outsiders why do u think I lost good friends who are without Satan takes care of me even though it makes me mad when something like that is done, but in the end I kn ow it is in my best intrest HAIL SATAN AND ALL GODS OF HELL

From: sherilynishott <sherilynishott@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 5:48:19 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] married to an agnostic

  Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[Botan shijo]

agnostics believe there is smthng out there but they dnt believe in it. in my opinion its betr to believe nothing than to believe in the enemy. but idk i read something contrary to that

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From: sherilynishott <sherilynishott@...
To: <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Monday, May 3, 2010 11:48:19 PM GMT-0000
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] married to an agnostic

Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[David Coursey]

I doubt Father Satan is pissed about who you fell in love with, even if He was, you could always use witchcraft to change his point of view.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "sherilynishott" <sherilynishott@... wrote:

Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[Damien Blackheart]

Hmmm... this does raise an interesting question, depending on just how devout you are.

I cannot speak for Satan, but I can speak from experience and opinion. If he is agnostic, and he has shown even the slightest curiosity or interest, then turn that spark into a flame. I would suggest that you continue to try to enlighten him, but be clever and wise about it, for you definitely don't want to push him away from the idea. You might even consider talking to the Father and asking him to offer some guidance to both you and your man.

I have had many failed relationships over this exact same issue. I have dated many women who had interest and were supportive of my practices and endeavors, but when it really came down to it, I knew that our ground was not solid because they simply weren't Satanists in their heart. I personally could never be with someone who is not in allegiance with the Father.

If your man despises xianity, then try to play that angle and share knowledge of Satanic origin with him. If the Father is in approval of your union then I'm sure he will help you bring him around to the true light.

I wish you the best of luck!


HAIL SATAN!

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:48 PM, sherilynishott <sherilynishott@... wrote:

  Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[Cam Kuzik]

Forcing someone to change their point of view without them knowing is cowardly.
From: David Coursey <rammesses666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:37:49 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  I doubt Father Satan is pissed about who you fell in love with, even if He was, you could always use witchcraft to change his point of view.

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "sherilynishott" <sherilynishott@ ... wrote:

Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[Luciferian Witchcraft]

Hello!
    Well I was going to ask rammesses666 more on how to use withcraft to change a persons point of view. Then I read the next post from Spudkuzik and found found out that this could be cowardly.   1. If this is tru and this is cowardly, then how would one go about doing this is a less cowardly way?   2. If its not cowardly, then how would one use witchcraft to get the job done?
From: Cam Kuzik <spudkuzik@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  Forcing someone to change their point of view without them knowing is cowardly.
From: David Coursey <rammesses666@ yahoo.com
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:37:49 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  I doubt Father Satan is pissed about who you fell in love with, even if He was, you could always use witchcraft to change his point of view.

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "sherilynishott" <sherilynishott@ ... wrote:

Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[Damien Blackheart]

Honestly, I mean you kind of have to wonder if it actually is cowardly or not. Normally I would agree with that statement, however, as Satanists we are not bound by any morals other than what we deem right for ourselves. Also, you have to ask yourself why we would be given the power and ability through witchcraft to achieve things of this nature if they were wrong or "cowardly".

Also, and perhaps most importantly, on this particular matter, how on earth could it be considered cowardly to try to use the powers given by Satan to help someone who is without come closer to Satan?

I am a firm believer in free-will on many matters. I would never advocate putting some sort of love spell on someone to make them want me, but I would definitely ask for guidance and assistance to find the person that does.

Same with this situation. Perhaps witchcraft isn't necessarily the path that should be taken, taking the "free-will" aspect into consideration, but I certainly don't see anything wrong with doing a ritual and asking Father to lend a helping hand...  maybe show this man the one thing that it would take to make him realize the truth.

We use the Black Arts to destroy our enemies, and that is not viewed as cowardly by any means...  that is a testament of our growth and abilities through Satan, and a testament of his might.

I suppose it's a matter of perception. Every Satanist has their own moral code.


HAIL SATAN!!!

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Luciferian Witchcraft <luciferianwitchcraft@... wrote:

  Hello!
    Well I was going to ask rammesses666 more on how to use withcraft to change a persons point of view. Then I read the next post from Spudkuzik and found found out that this could be cowardly.   1. If this is tru and this is cowardly, then how would one go about doing this is a less cowardly way?   2. If its not cowardly, then how would one use witchcraft to get the job done?
From: Cam Kuzik <spudkuzik@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  Forcing someone to change their point of view without them knowing is cowardly.
From: David Coursey <rammesses666@ yahoo.com
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:37:49 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  I doubt Father Satan is pissed about who you fell in love with, even if He was, you could always use witchcraft to change his point of view.

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "sherilynishott" <sherilynishott@ ... wrote:

Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[Luciferian Witchcraft]

Thanks for the reply. I find a lot of truth in what you said and it was very helpful. In my personal opinion, if it will bring your partners to see the truth, then go ahead and do it. Especially if you really love the person and dont want to break up over religion. Im sure satan will be very pleased to see his childern using the craft to draw people closer to his grace

From: Damien Blackheart <dgtgraphics@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:55:45 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  Honestly, I mean you kind of have to wonder if it actually is cowardly or not. Normally I would agree with that statement, however, as Satanists we are not bound by any morals other than what we deem right for ourselves. Also, you have to ask yourself why we would be given the power and ability through witchcraft to achieve things of this nature if they were wrong or "cowardly".

Also, and perhaps most importantly, on this particular matter, how on earth could it be considered cowardly to try to use the powers given by Satan to help someone who is without come closer to Satan?

I am a firm believer in free-will on many matters. I would never advocate putting some sort of love spell on someone to make them want me, but I would definitely ask for guidance and assistance to find the person that does.

Same with this situation. Perhaps witchcraft isn't necessarily the path that should be taken, taking the "free-will" aspect into consideration, but I certainly don't see anything wrong with doing a ritual and asking Father to lend a helping hand...  maybe show this man the one thing that it would take to make him realize the truth.

We use the Black Arts to destroy our enemies, and that is not viewed as cowardly by any means...  that is a testament of our growth and abilities through Satan, and a testament of his might.

I suppose it's a matter of perception. Every Satanist has their own moral code.


HAIL SATAN!!!

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Luciferian Witchcraft <luciferianwitchcraf t@... wrote:

  Hello!
    Well I was going to ask rammesses666 more on how to use withcraft to change a persons point of view. Then I read the next post from Spudkuzik and found found out that this could be cowardly.   1. If this is tru and this is cowardly, then how would one go about doing this is a less cowardly way?   2. If its not cowardly, then how would one use witchcraft to get the job done?
From: Cam Kuzik <spudkuzik@yahoo. com
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  Forcing someone to change their point of view without them knowing is cowardly.
From: David Coursey <rammesses666@ yahoo.com
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:37:49 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  I doubt Father Satan is pissed about who you fell in love with, even if He was, you could always use witchcraft to change his point of view.

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "sherilynishott" <sherilynishott@ ... wrote:

Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.

 

[Cam Kuzik]

There is no need to change one's beloved. If anything, it can be very disrespectful. Introduce them to this path you follow. Because he is an agnostic, it will probably interest him.
From: Luciferian Witchcraft <luciferianwitchcraft@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 11:31:21 AM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  Hello!
    Well I was going to ask rammesses666 more on how to use withcraft to change a persons point of view. Then I read the next post from Spudkuzik and found found out that this could be cowardly.   1. If this is tru and this is cowardly, then how would one go about doing this is a less cowardly way?   2. If its not cowardly, then how would one use witchcraft to get the job done?
From: Cam Kuzik <spudkuzik@yahoo. com
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  Forcing someone to change their point of view without them knowing is cowardly.
From: David Coursey <rammesses666@ yahoo.com
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:37:49 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: married to an agnostic

  I doubt Father Satan is pissed about who you fell in love with, even if He was, you could always use witchcraft to change his point of view.

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "sherilynishott" <sherilynishott@ ... wrote:

Hello. Perhaps its unessecary of me to post this question... to the point, Satan says he does not allow friendly association to those without. I can understand this with xians, jews, muslims,etc. How about an agnostic person? I mean, they're not an enemy of Satan ..they're just not helping the cause. So those people technically qualify as those without. I am married to an agnostic man. He has listened to my views on Satanism, and is intirgued but is highly unlikely to follow anything. I don't expect him to. He despises the xian religion and thinks all organized religion is bs, which is good. He cannot be swayed into anything unless its blatently inhisface proven to him. More to the point, am I upsetting Satan by being married to someone without, even if he's not of any organized religion? I'm not sure why I'm posting this, again, because no matter the answer I love this person and wouldn't leave the marriage! Just wondering.