--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
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I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
Â
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. And your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
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I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÃÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. And your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÂÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "CaitlinM" <silvercrab14@... wrote:
"Having no planets in the first house is not not normal." What on
earth are you talking about? I hope that was a typo. There are only
10 planets, and 12 houses. Therefore, at least 2 houses will be
empty in everyone's natal chart. I've studied numerous charts and
most people have 4-6 empty houses, my best friend has 7. Having no
planets in the first is normal. Having planets in there is normal as
well.
By the way, anyone in this group who's handing out all their
astrological information to complete strangers needs to stop and
consider the implications of what they're doing. There's a reason
why you'll never find any of the JOS High Priest/ess's birth
information. For those of you who don't understand why, read
paragraph five:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... rades.html
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. And your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÃÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
From: "lydia_666@..." <lydia_666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:26 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
By "Not not normal", it's a double-negative. Not a good one, true, a little confusing, but what Shannon meant was that it was perfectly fine to not have any planets in a house.
I felt the need to point this out, because... well, that's just how I am. I spot mistakes, I point them out. I know it can be annoying to some, but in times like this, clarification is needed. And as much as the grammarian in me would love to give a grammar lecture, I will let it be. I will restrain myself. Away I go.
Hail Satan!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "CaitlinM" <silvercrab14@... wrote:
"Having no planets in the first house is not not normal." What on
earth are you talking about? I hope that was a typo. There are only
10 planets, and 12 houses. Therefore, at least 2 houses will be
empty in everyone's natal chart. I've studied numerous charts and
most people have 4-6 empty houses, my best friend has 7. Having no
planets in the first is normal. Having planets in there is normal as
well.
By the way, anyone in this group who's handing out all their
astrological information to complete strangers needs to stop and
consider the implications of what they're doing. There's a reason
why you'll never find any of the JOS High Priest/ess's birth
information. For those of you who don't understand why, read
paragraph five:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... rades.html
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. And your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÂÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. And your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÂÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
From: "lydia_666@..." <lydia_666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:26 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
By "Not not normal", it's a double-negative. Not a good one, true, a little confusing, but what Shannon meant was that it was perfectly fine to not have any planets in a house.
I felt the need to point this out, because... well, that's just how I am. I spot mistakes, I point them out. I know it can be annoying to some, but in times like this, clarification is needed. And as much as the grammarian in me would love to give a grammar lecture, I will let it be. I will restrain myself. Away I go.
Hail Satan!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "CaitlinM" <silvercrab14@... wrote:
"Having no planets in the first house is not not normal." What on
earth are you talking about? I hope that was a typo. There are only
10 planets, and 12 houses. Therefore, at least 2 houses will be
empty in everyone's natal chart. I've studied numerous charts and
most people have 4-6 empty houses, my best friend has 7. Having no
planets in the first is normal. Having planets in there is normal as
well.
By the way, anyone in this group who's handing out all their
astrological information to complete strangers needs to stop and
consider the implications of what they're doing. There's a reason
why you'll never find any of the JOS High Priest/ess's birth
information. For those of you who don't understand why, read
paragraph five:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... rades.html
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. And your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÂÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
wow ok....
From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@...
To: "[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
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LOL
From: "lydia_666@..." <lydia_666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:26 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
By "Not not normal", it's a double-negative. Not a good one, true, a little confusing, but what Shannon meant was that it was perfectly fine to not have any planets in a house.
I felt the need to point this out, because... well, that's just how I am. I spot mistakes, I point them out. I know it can be annoying to some, but in times like this, clarification is needed. And as much as the grammarian in me would love to give a grammar lecture, I will let it be. I will restrain myself. Away I go.
Hail Satan!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "CaitlinM" <silvercrab14@ wrote:
"Having no planets in the first house is not not normal." What on
earth are you talking about? I hope that was a typo. There are only
10 planets, and 12 houses. Therefore, at least 2 houses will be
empty in everyone's natal chart. I've studied numerous charts and
most people have 4-6 empty houses, my best friend has 7. Having no
planets in the first is normal. Having planets in there is normal as
well.
By the way, anyone in this group who's handing out all their
astrological information to complete strangers needs to stop and
consider the implications of what they're doing. There's a reason
why you'll never find any of the JOS High Priest/ess's birth
information. For those of you who don't understand why, read
paragraph five:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... rades.html
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. AndÃÂ your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
ÃÂ
I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÃâÃÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
what are you talking about caitlin?? When i said that I was telling him that having no planets in a house is normal! he asked if that having no planets in the first
house was not normal and I told him that it was normal. And when you say complete stranger, is that somewhat directed towards me?? if so, its not like I told him to privateely email me his birth info!
From: CaitlinM <silvercrab14@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 6:00 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
"Having no planets in the first house is not not normal." What on
earth are you talking about? I hope that was a typo. There are only
10 planets, and 12 houses. Therefore, at least 2 houses will be
empty in everyone's natal chart. I've studied numerous charts and
most people have 4-6 empty houses, my best friend has 7. Having no
planets in the first is normal. Having planets in there is normal as
well.
By the way, anyone in this group who's handing out all their
astrological information to complete strangers needs to stop and
consider the implications of what they're doing. There's a reason
why you'll never find any of the JOS High Priest/ess's birth
information. For those of you who don't understand why, read
paragraph five:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... rades.html
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
Having no planets in the first house is not not normal. I have no planets in the first house either. I have pisces rising but neptune is still my chart ruler, venus is still your chart ruler. AndÃÂ your chart is not bizarre.Though you are a sun sign aquarius you have many planets in capricorn so capricorn is prevalent in your personality but you express it in an aqaurian way. Tell me more about your chart lol
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
ÃÂ
I'm new to astrology, and looking at my natal chart, a sample one; my ascendant is Libra, but Venus is in my fifth house. In fact, there is no planet in my first house at all. I mean my chart seems very bizarre. Most of the planets fall in Capricorn, but my sun sign is Aquarius. I'm just really confused. I was supposed to be born on February 14th lol.
Hail Father Satan!
Hail Anubis!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
yes, people with venus in the first house or taurus or libra rising/ venus a s chart ruler are usually very pretty, beaituful, charming, nice to look, at talented
indulgent, pleasant or prone to weight gain lol but it all depends on the rest of your chart. LOL are you one of these?
From: Ben <warriorforsatan@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:18 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Birth Chart Question
ÃâÃÂ
I recently went to astrodienst to preview my birth chart and it told me my ascendant was Libra, does this mean my ruling planet/chart ruler is Venus?
Hail Father Satan!!
Hail Anubis!!
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
what are you talking about caitlin?? When i said that I was telling him that having no planets in a house is normal! he asked if that having no planets in the first
house was not normal and I told him that it was normal. And when you say complete stranger, is that somewhat directed towards me?? if so, its not like I told him to privateely email me his birth info!
From: CaitlinM <silvercrab14@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... wrote:
wow ok....
From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@...
To: "[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
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LOL
From: "lydia_666@..." <lydia_666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:26 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Â
By "Not not normal", it's a double-negative. Not a good one, true, a little confusing, but what Shannon meant was that it was perfectly fine to not have any planets in a house.
I felt the need to point this out, because... well, that's just how I am. I spot mistakes, I point them ou
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Shannon Outlaw" <soutlaw92@... wrote:
ok. Im sry if I got alittle mad.no hard feelings?
-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:07:18 pm
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
From: "CaitlinM" <silvercrab14@...
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Birth Chart Question
Shannon,
No, my last statement wasn't directed at you specifically. I've
simply noticed a lot of people in the groups giving out significant
astrological information and wanted to make sure everyone knew the
risks of handing it out like that.
The way you phrased your response threw me, "not not normal". I
apologize for misinterpreting it, I suppose I should know better
than to read through posts too quickly and respond at 4:00 AM during
a Mercury retrograde...
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@ wrote:
what are you talking about caitlin?? When i said that I was telling him that having no planets in a house is normal! he asked if that having no planets in the first
house was not normal and I told him that it was normal. And when you say complete stranger, is that somewhat directed towards me?? if so, its not like I told him to privateely email me his birth info!
From: CaitlinM <silvercrab14@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan