Other #77397 Why are Pagan Occultists and Jewish Kabbalists such losers?

[AskSatanOperator]

I don't mean that in a derogatory way, more so as a fact of history. Both the pagan occultists like Neo-Platonists as well as Jewish kabbalists have been getting defeat after defeat by the "spiritless" Christians and Muslims. Whether it was the Christians conquering the Pagan Roman world and stomping the neo-platonic resistance towards them, or the Muslims defeating the Jews during the 1600s when their "messiah" came after centuries of kabbalistic rituals and were supposed to have their messianic kingdom, only to have their "messiah" bow to the Sultan and convert to Islam to save his own skin after being crushed in battle.

The Jews only recently have had any real power and that was due to their monopoly on banks and usury, not the powerless kabbalah. If Christians and Muslims were allowed to practice usury, Israel today would not exist and Jews would be like gypsies living in slums. The prohibition on usury was what truly gave Jews all their power, not kabbalah.

Occultists from boths sides appear to have a history of being constantly defeated by Christians and Muslims. It makes me think physical power, force and money is all that matters, not chanting vibrations or invoking of this God or that angel or divine name or whatever. Christian and Muslim swords shaped the world far more than any Jewish or Pagan occult master ever did.

If Occultism really made one superhuman and gave them control over reality, then how is it that occultists have been losing over and over to Christians and Muslims, who practice no real occultism, besides their rituals which apparently are meant to "curse" them even though they both conquered the world. Magick looks like the resort of weak people who couldn't physically confront their rivals, whether that was jews who never really had any physical power for most of their history, or the Neoplatonists who couldn't compete in getting the numbers and convincing people to follow them rather than the Christians. Magick never appears to work. I still practice magick myself of the pagan kind, but it disgruntles me seeing occultists of all varieties having a consistent history of losing. It makes me think it's all just nonsense besides the self-hypnosis and self-induced hallucinations of Gods, angels and so on. It never seems to translate to physical reality with physical power, only remaining in astral fairyland.

Did you ever have to deal with such thoughts, and what made you overcome them?

 

[AskSatanOperator]

#77398 How can I prove to myself magick really works?

This is the same person who asked about the history of Pagan and jewish occultists losing all the time. I'd like to prove to myself that magick actually works, and the only thing that'll convince me is a physical manifestation, not feelings or visions of whatever. How can I use magick to make real money? What's the actual difference between someone who practices magick to make money and someone who just makes a business and succeeds to make money? If I can't use magick to hack my way into wealth then what's the point of practising it at all for financial purposes? Plenty of guys out there making a lot of money doing zero spells. I'm quite confident I'll make a lot of money without magick even and I'm working on that at the moment, but what will adding magick do exactly? If it's to manifest more good luck then how can I know that wasn't gonna happen anyway and I'm just giving the spells the credit, like christians do when they pray for jesus and things actually go their way? If magick isn't hacking reality to help me succeed, then what's the point? I might as well just ignore it entirely and focus on the physical aspects of making money if it won't make any difference.

I need something that will undeniably prove to me that magick is real and not self-induced illusion bolstered by confirmation bias. Perhaps money magick isn't the best way to go about it, and I don't think spiritual experiences will cut it either. It needs to be something I can't brush off as luck or a hallucination.

What would you suggest?

 

[Hárbarðr]

If Occultism really made one superhuman and gave them control over reality, then how is it that occultists have been losing over and over to Christians and Muslims, who practice no real occultism, besides their rituals which apparently are meant to "curse" them even though they both conquered the world.

You are assuming that there are only xians and occultists and not any other enemy beings behind xianity, that's why it doesn't make sense to you. Read this:

The "War in Heaven"

How can I use magick to make real money?

As it's been said, you have to be spiritually advanced to do that. If you only want money and you are not advanced in spiritual practices, meditations and you don't have strong chakras then you'll find it much easier and better if you start a business, invest and try to get passive income and focus on physical ways mostly.

If I can't use magick to hack my way into wealth then what's the point of practising it at all for financial purposes?

If you are not spritually advanced, the point of money magick is to bring some money you need in an emergency, not to use it as a steady source of income.

If it's to manifest more good luck then how can I know that wasn't gonna happen anyway and I'm just giving the spells the credit, like christians do when they pray for jesus and things actually go their way?

There's no such thing as luck. What most people view as good luck is simply good karma. Nothing happens by chance. Your magick is also a form of karma, so it doesn't matter whether it's by previous or current karma. Also, you do know that xian prayers sometimes work too? Jesus isn't real, they are just using the powers of their minds and they externalize to something else (like "god", jesus, saints e.t.c.). So xians use magick too, but unconsciously and without understanding of the full process. Everyone who focuses on a goal and visualizes it being fulfilled uses magick to a higher or lesser degree. The New Age Law of Attraction is another form of magick too. People also use magick when they think of all the bad things that will happen to them and how unlucky they are. They bring more bad things and catastrophes to them with their thoughts. This is magick used in a self-destructive way, but it's the same thing.

I need something that will undeniably prove to me that magick is real and not self-induced illusion bolstered by confirmation bias. Perhaps money magick isn't the best way to go about it, and I don't think spiritual experiences will cut it either. It needs to be something I can't brush off as luck or a hallucination.

Are you spiritually advanced? If not, you are asking too much. Also, your request is left brained. You must open yourself psychically and trust your intuition. Magick is a right brained thing and follows a different subtle process than most common societal structures and worldly things. It requires you to train yourself to pay attention to subtle things and energies. That's why the website says it's important to master power meditation and empower your chakras and aura before practicing any practical magick.