Popes being "anti-semitic"

[Desitrader]

I’d like to understand why there are documentary evidence of Popes and other Christian leaders in the Middle Ages making strong “anti-Semitic” comments if Christianity was indeed created by Jews.

I am reading Thomas Dalton’s “Eternal Strangers”. Dalton is no friend of the Jew. Here are some of the comments he lists:

Four of the most important early church fathers—Gregory of Nyssa, Jerome, John Chrysostom, and Augustine—were notably anti-Jewish.
Writing in the late 300s, Gregory blasts the Jews as the absolute dregs of humanity, deploying an impressive array of adjectives:
Murderers of the Lord, murderers of prophets, rebels and full of hatred against God, they commit outrage against the law, resist God’s grace, repudiate the faith of their fathers. They are confederates of the devil, offspring of vipers, scandal-mongers, slanderers, darkened in mind, leaven of the Pharisees, Sanhedrin of demons, accursed, utterly vile, quick to abuse, enemies of all that is good. (In Christi resurr. orat.)

In another place:

Of all the early church fathers, Chrysostom is widely viewed as the most openly hostile. Of particular note is his work Adversus Judaeos, commonly called Homilies against the Jews (387 AD).7 The first homily captures the essence of his attack. He begins with mention of a “very serious illness” that pervades society. “What is this disease? The festivals of the pitiful and miserable Jews” which were soon to commence (I.I.4). “But do not be surprised that I call the Jews pitiable,” he adds. “They really are pitiable and miserable” (I.II.1). Citing Biblical precedent, Chrysostom refers to them as dogs, and as “stiff-necked.” They are drawn to gluttony and drunkenness (I.II.5), and chiefly characterized by their lust for animal pleasures. Indeed, they are animals, though of a worthless kind.

Then there is of course Luther’s “The Jews and their Lies”.

I don’t know how to reconcile this two seemingly contradictory positions.

 

[Nameless One]

I’d like to understand why there are documentary evidence of Popes and other Christian leaders in the Middle Ages making strong “anti-Semitic” comments if Christianity was indeed created by Jews.

The key to understanding this is that by "jews", Christians mean a different thing from what we mean by that word.

Christians call a "jew" someone who is of the jewish religion. Which means that if a jew converts to Christianity, Christians will gladly accept that jew. So, it's not a surprise to learn that many of the Popes were actually jewish. It's not a surprise to know that after Isabella expelled the jews from Spain, many of them converted to Catholicism in order to stay there. These crypto-jews were called marranos or conversos, and even Columbus was probably a marrano. It's not a surprise at all that many of the "White Nationalist" Christians today keep shilling for the jew called "Brother Nathaniel" because he converted to their religion and speaks against his fellow jews.

On the other hand, Satanists and pro-White Pagans by "jew" mean an individual of the jewish ethnicity/race. That's also the definition of a jew according to jews, since even the ultra-orthodox jews consider a jew someone who has a jewish mother, regardless of his religion, even if he is an atheist, Buddhist or even claims to be a Satanist he is still accepted as a jew and supported by his fellow tribe members. Satanic/Pagan "anti-semitism" rejects jews as an ethnicity, not only as a religion. So if a jew converts to Satanism, he will not be accepted.

That's why in pro-White Christian vs Pagan/Satanist debates Christians usually create many strawmans because they don't understand that we define jews ethnically/racially. For example when we say Christianity is jewish we mean it came from the ethnicity called the jews, and it's a means for them to enslave goyim. Christians take it to mean that Christianity is related to the religion of Judaism, and they usually reply to that "Jews follow the Talmud, they have nothing to do with Christianity which is a continuation of the Old Testament Israelite religion" which doesn't really address what we mean by Christianity being jewish, as the OT is jewish as well.

But even with the supposed "anti-semitism", Christians in Middle Ages cucked for the jews in many ways. Charlemagne banned usury for Christians, but not for jews. Almost every king after him did the same. So, what kind of an "anti-semite" doesn't ban usury for jews?

 

[Nameless One]

I’d like to understand why there are documentary evidence of Popes and other Christian leaders in the Middle Ages making strong “anti-Semitic” comments if Christianity was indeed created by Jews.

I don’t know how to reconcile this two seemingly contradictory positions.

These positions aren't contradictory and they don't seem so. It's just Christian cope to claim that Christianity wasn't created by jews (the ethnicity/race) or is in a more far-fetched way "anti-semitic".

It's a fact that every major character in their bible is an ethnic jew, including their crucified savior, his apostles and the first Christians. The only way to deny this is is to claim like the wacky Christian Identity people do that the ancient Israelites were White and not jewish (yes, there is a group of Christians that claims that!).

Simply put, jews have 2 religions: one for them to bolster their national identity and feel superior over the lowly "goyim" (Judaism) and the other one to weaken the goyim through suicidal teachings (turn the other cheek e.t.c.) and faith in some jewish savior while ignoring the material world, thus allowing the jews to slowly take over (Christianity).

Jews don't want their own to convert to Christianity, it's an exclusively jewish poison for the goyim, that's why they attack it in their Talmud. You don't create a poison to drink for yourself, you create it to poison your enemies.

Jews in fact brag about how Christianity is jewish and has subverted civilizations even in their rabbinical writings:

In the Sefer Toledot Yeshu, an anti-Christian rabbinical compilation, we find a singular parable: Yeshu, says the rabbinic author of the legend, was traveling with Simon Bar-Jonah and Judas Iscariot. They arrived late and tired at an isolated house; they were very hungry and could find nothing to eat aside from a very small and thin young goose. It was too little for three people; to share it would have meant arousing their hunger even more, rather than satisfying it. They decided to draw straws; but, because they were falling down from lack of sleep, “Let us sleep first,” said Yeshu, “while our meal cooks; when we wake we will tell each other our dreams, and he who had the most beautiful dream will eat the little goose all for himself.” And thus was it done. They slept and then awoke. “I,” said Saint Peter, “I dreamed that I was the vicar of God.” “I,” said Yeshu, “that I was God himself.” “And I,” Judas responded hypocritically, “I dreamed that while sleepwalking I got up and went quietly downstairs, removed the goose from its spit, and ate it.” After this they all went downstairs, but the goose had in fact disappeared: Judas had dreamed while completely awake.

This legend is a Jewish positivist protest against Christian mysticism. In fact, while the believers were having nice dreams, the exiled Israelite, the Judas of Christian civilization, worked, sold, agitated, became rich, and made off with the realities of our present life and was thus able to help his cult, which had been proscribed for so long. The ancients worshiped the Ark, and those who stayed faithful to the cult of the strongbox, now have the Market for a temple, and it is from there that they govern the Christian world. Judas can, in fact, laugh and congratulate himself for not having slept like Saint Peter.

Jews have bragged about how they conquered the entire Western civilization through their jewish religion of Christianity:

 

[Desitrader]

I don't feel the core question has been answered. Those popes didn't have to write those passages... nobody was forcing them to. They wrote those because of their hatred of the Jew.

Similarly, you suggest to an average Muslim in a Muslim country that their religion was created by Jews and see what happens.

If Jews genuinely created these two religions, then why didn't they insert clauses in them like "Never criticise the Jew, for they are the chosen people. If you criticise them, you go to hell", etc? If you look into Quoran, it's full of negative comments about Jews, and in fact one of Muhammad's first acts apparently was to kill a group of Jews.

 

[Karnonnos]

I know a lot about history and the so-called 'church fathers' so let's get to the point. The 'Gregory' quote which doesn't even sound like 3rd century speech is likely a total fabrication. Even xians do not accept it as real, particularly as Gregory of Nyssa was known to be philosemitic.

'Holy John Chrysostom' was the biggest figure of xianity from the 360s up to the 400s. He said all that about jews because some xians in Antioch started to think they could live like jews, which required a recalibration.

Functionally, he pressured the xian emperors he whispered into the ears of constantly to keep updating the Codex Theodosianus to give jews legal protections, permit jews to receive wills and inheritances but not pagans, give them control of the money supply, make them sit on city councils whereas before they were entirely BANNED from doing so, ban worship in pagan temples on pain of death, ban pagan imagery from secular events, destroy all temples in rural pagan areas, etc.

In 393, by Chrysostom and other's agitation, it was made illegal in Roman law to ban judaism. Even an xian emperor was not permitted to ban it. His interference in the law also enabled jewish merchants to set their own prices in 396. In addition, that year, severe punishments were to be issued to anyone who insulted the chief rebbe of the jews. In 397, the law stipulated any Gentile insulting any jew would be punished by law and observant jews were exempted from military service.

Chyrsostom also oversaw the massive expansion of the monasteries and expropriation of lands and money for the church's purposes. His monks who stole from the populace were so hated that civilians formed gangs in Athens to burn them to death.

Ambrose of Milan (whose contemporary depictions look like the enemy) and Augustine also threw threats at jews, all the while pushing extreme punishments for anti semitism. The scumbag Ambrose is a large factor in the above laws and the total collapse of the Roman Empire.

Good cop-bad cop is an eternal routine with the enemy. They often ramp up this content to get the cattle on board before they go all out with the philosemitic privileges. We recently saw a muted routine of this with Trump. It is a TRAP. Anyone can say virtually anything and do the opposite in practice, that's where you are going wrong with your thinking. Plenty of enemy bobbleheads nowadays talk shit about the enemy but are on a payroll and push the creed at the same time.

Islam has been waging 'eternal jihad' against jews since the 9th century and all it has to show for it is a bunch of collapsed, bombed out shitholes because they worship the same thing at source.

 

[Nameless One]

I don't feel the core question has been answered. Those popes didn't have to write those passages... nobody was forcing them to. They wrote those because of their hatred of the Jew.

Similarly, you suggest to an average Muslim in a Muslim country that their religion was created by Jews and see what happens.

If Jews genuinely created these two religions, then why didn't they insert clauses in them like "Never criticise the Jew, for they are the chosen people. If you criticise them, you go to hell", etc? If you look into Quoran, it's full of negative comments about Jews, and in fact one of Muhammad's first acts apparently was to kill a group of Jews.

They did create them but indirectly. In case of Christianity, it was originally for Jews alone (it came from the jewish pacifist Essene cult), but since the jews noticed it would be useful for subverting Gentiles, they "sold" it to the gentiles, but they didn't control it so as to make sure that nobody criticizes the jews. In the 666 Black Sun website, it's been said that Christianity backfired a bit in that Christians blame jews for killing their savior. Jews didn't actually think this would happen. It states that because Christianity did its job of weakening and softening Western civilization and served its purpose and because it also backfired, the jews don't need it any more, so they hate it and want to replace it with atheist marxism.

I don't know about the origins of Islam much, maybe an ex-Muslim can explain more it's being jewish. Muslims actually don't hate Christians and Jews as much as hate others, since they consider both of them Abrahamic religions like Islam and say that a follower of these two religions will go to their "heaven", but in a lower tier than Muslims. Instead of killing Christians or Jews, like they do with others, they force them to pay a tax called jizzya and they tolerate them as dhimmis.

The fact that these religions are called Abrahamic because they claim they came from the jewish patriarch Abraham proves that they are jewish. As I said, these two religions are fanatic and hate Gentiles of different religions more than they hate jews. If they didn't speak out against the jewish religion, it would look suspicious and very few Gentiles would accept them.

 

[Desitrader]

Thank you both. Your comments make sense.

 

[Desitrader]

What books / materials should I read if I wanted to know more on these topics?

 

[DisillusionedCitizen]

I don't feel the core question has been answered. Those popes didn't have to write those passages... nobody was forcing them to. They wrote those because of their hatred of the Jew.

Similarly, you suggest to an average Muslim in a Muslim country that their religion was created by Jews and see what happens.

If Jews genuinely created these two religions, then why didn't they insert clauses in them like "Never criticise the Jew, for they are the chosen people. If you criticise them, you go to hell", etc? If you look into Quoran, it's full of negative comments about Jews, and in fact one of Muhammad's first acts apparently was to kill a group of Jews.

They did create them but indirectly. In case of Christianity, it was originally for Jews alone (it came from the jewish pacifist Essene cult), but since the jews noticed it would be useful for subverting Gentiles, they "sold" it to the gentiles, but they didn't control it so as to make sure that nobody criticizes the jews. In the 666 Black Sun website, it's been said that Christianity backfired a bit in that Christians blame jews for killing their savior. Jews didn't actually think this would happen. It states that because Christianity did its job of weakening and softening Western civilization and served its purpose and because it also backfired, the jews don't need it any more, so they hate it and want to replace it with atheist marxism.

I don't know about the origins of Islam much, maybe an ex-Muslim can explain more it's being jewish. Muslims actually don't hate Christians and Jews as much as hate others, since they consider both of them Abrahamic religions like Islam and say that a follower of these two religions will go to their "heaven", but in a lower tier than Muslims. Instead of killing Christians or Jews, like they do with others, they force them to pay a tax called jizzya and they tolerate them as dhimmis.

The fact that these religions are called Abrahamic because they claim they came from the jewish patriarch Abraham proves that they are jewish. As I said, these two religions are fanatic and hate Gentiles of different religions more than they hate jews. If they didn't speak out against the jewish religion, it would look suspicious and very few Gentiles would accept them.

>Atheist
>Marxism

I know one obvious flaw in this philosophy: It's oxymoronic.

 

[Nameless One]

>Atheist
>Marxism

I know one obvious flaw in this philosophy: It's oxymoronic.

Marxism is materialistic atheism, there is zero spirituality in it. There's no contradiction in this. The jews replaced actual spirituality with blind faith so that they then transition to communist atheism as they said in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.