Nationalsocialist economy

[Zammel]

I am very curious to read how a good and healty economy work, and the only healty in our world was the German Third Reich. Precisely, how did the economy work? Now I do not ask for a 10 2-3 post length essay, but I would like to know how the economy of the third reich worked, the PDF explains little.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

This is a complex topic and you will need to read many sources and lectures to get an idea of that, as any official documentation from the National Socialists themselves did simply vanish and/or is in prohibition vaults.

They had a stock market and any other benefits of a "Capitalist" form in the economy, which through government regulation did not allow the usual 'problems' that arise from Capitalism such as trashing of the poor classes.

 

[Jack]

I am very curious to read how a good and healty economy work, and the only healty in our world was the German Third Reich. Precisely, how did the economy work? Now I do not ask for a 10 2-3 post length essay, but I would like to know how the economy of the third reich worked, the PDF explains little.

They used mass privatization and other capitalist measures while fractionating from the world Economy by creating their own debt free money (which was unacceptable to the Zionists and was a major cause for the war). They had regulations in the stock market where in very specific cases involving high status dealings, they told people to trade with other people as a cap on capitalism. Without proper caps capitalism will become crony capitalism as in the US.

 

[Gearshift]

This is a complex topic and you will need to read many sources and lectures to get an idea of that, as any official documentation from the National Socialists themselves did simply vanish and/or is in prohibition vaults.

They had a stock market and any other benefits of a "Capitalist" form in the economy, which through government regulation did not allow the usual 'problems' that arise from Capitalism such as trashing of the poor classes.

At H.P. Cobra I've been interested in NS economic policies for a long time. In fact I remember reading some of your few sermons on NS economy and government. And judging from what NS is, it is a sublimation of all governments hell you even went forth and mentioned many communist aspects were sublimated to produce a better government. Basically despite being an enemy government; on paper it has merits which can easily be fixed in a Gentile system of operations. Much akin to your sermon on Anarchy-Communist Kropotkin back before his death sometime in mid' 1920s. He may have used a shit system but somehow he tried to fix it. Unfortunately you stated the obvious problem he never lived to see the NS rising.

A while back someone put "Redpill economics thread". Whereby I managed to read Gottfried Feder's: Manifesto on Interest-Debt Slavery. Very revealing as reading it carefully Feder stated the three scourges being market speculation, currency speculation, and International speculation. So how is it that they had a stock market?

Wouldn't a Stock market fall under speculation and in national terms market(nation) speculation. I guess perhaps my vague understanding of current stock market as basically a gambling house where no one really breaks your leg unless your caught cheating the system.

I guess this whole "benefits of a Capitalist" form in government regulation is considered a sublimation of Capitalism. Much like Feder's statement on inflation a 2-7% inflation ratio can prove useful for money in, money out. But at the end of the day the capacity of authority for government is to maintain it at 0% forever no matter what. Since I guess without government regulations Fiat currency can easily dupe people into believing it has no merit and fall into a Torah economics.

So in your understanding of NS Stock market. Can you at all provide more insight into it? I mean I figure stating "State regulations" is enough to know it's not the system currently employed by so called "Capitalist".

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

Only you are confusing the fact that I never said this Communist worthless Jew Drivel and that the author of this was another person and not me. It was someone else who has been going on the Red rampage and this can of worms, while dictating.

Sorry but you are amnesiac on that one.

The filth of this belonged to another person and not me.

Next time, polish your brain before you write something, as should others before they write the shit you wrongfully claim I wrote here.

Sorry, I am not a communist, nor a socialist, and I abhor both of the Talmudic ideals therein. Maybe this disappoints some communists who speak about Anarcho communism, but yea.

This is a complex topic and you will need to read many sources and lectures to get an idea of that, as any official documentation from the National Socialists themselves did simply vanish and/or is in prohibition vaults.

They had a stock market and any other benefits of a "Capitalist" form in the economy, which through government regulation did not allow the usual 'problems' that arise from Capitalism such as trashing of the poor classes.

At H.P. Cobra I've been interested in NS economic policies for a long time. In fact I remember reading some of your few sermons on NS economy and government. And judging from what NS is, it is a sublimation of all governments hell you even went forth and mentioned many communist aspects were sublimated to produce a better government. Basically despite being an enemy government; on paper it has merits which can easily be fixed in a Gentile system of operations. Much akin to your sermon on Anarchy-Communist Kropotkin back before his death sometime in mid' 1920s. He may have used a shit system but somehow he tried to fix it. Unfortunately you stated the obvious problem he never lived to see the NS rising.

A while back someone put "Redpill economics thread". Whereby I managed to read Gottfried Feder's: Manifesto on Interest-Debt Slavery. Very revealing as reading it carefully Feder stated the three scourges being market speculation, currency speculation, and International speculation. So how is it that they had a stock market?

Wouldn't a Stock market fall under speculation and in national terms market(nation) speculation. I guess perhaps my vague understanding of current stock market as basically a gambling house where no one really breaks your leg unless your caught cheating the system.

I guess this whole "benefits of a Capitalist" form in government regulation is considered a sublimation of Capitalism. Much like Feder's statement on inflation a 2-7% inflation ratio can prove useful for money in, money out. But at the end of the day the capacity of authority for government is to maintain it at 0% forever no matter what. Since I guess without government regulations Fiat currency can easily dupe people into believing it has no merit and fall into a Torah economics.

So in your understanding of NS Stock market. Can you at all provide more insight into it? I mean I figure stating "State regulations" is enough to know it's not the system currently employed by so called "Capitalist".

 

[Jack]

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About Hitlers views on Socialism,

He repeatedly pushed back efforts by economically left-leaning elements of the party to enact socialist reforms, saying in a 1926 conference in Bamberg (organized by Nazi Party leaders over the very question of the party’s ideological underpinnings) that any effort to take the homes and estates of German princes would move the party toward communism and that he would never do anything to assist “communist-inspired movements.” He prohibited the formation of Nazi trade unions, and by 1929 he outright rejected any efforts by Nazis who argued in favor of socialistic ideas or projects in their entirety.

Joseph Goebbels, who would eventually become Reich Minister of Propaganda once the Nazi Party seized control of Germany, wrote in his diary about Hitler’s rejection of socialism at that 1926 meeting, “I feel as if someone had knocked me on the head ... my heart aches so much. ... A horrible night! Surely one of the greatest disappointments of my life.”

In his historic debate with Gregor Strasser Hitler says,

“Your socialism is Marxism pure and simple. You see, the great mass of workers only wants bread and circuses. Ideas are not accessible to them and we cannot hope to win them over. We attach ourselves to the fringe, the race of lords, which did not grow through a miserabilist doctrine and knows by the virtue of its own character that it is called to rule, and rule without weakness over the masses of beings.”

And when Strasser calls for the return of 41 percent of private property to the state and dismisses the role of private property in an industrialized economy, Hitler tells him that will not only ruin “the entire nation” but also “end all progress of humanity.”

In fact, Hitler dismisses even the idea of challenging the status of capitalism, telling Strasser that his socialism is actually Marxism and making the argument that powerful businessmen were powerful because they were evolutionarily superior to their employees. Thus, Hitler argues, a “workers council” taking charge of a company would only get in the way.

“Our great heads of industry are not concerned with the accumulation of wealth and the good life, rather they are concerned with responsibility and power. They have acquired this right by natural selection: they are members of the higher race. But you would surround them with a council of incompetents, who have no notion of anything. No economic leader can accept that.”
Strasser then asks him directly what he would do with powerful steel and arms manufacturer Krupp, known today as ThyssenKrupp. Would Hitler permit the company to stay as big and powerful as it was in 1930?

“Of course. Do you think I’m stupid enough to destroy the economy? The state will only intervene if people do not act in the interest of the nation. There is no need for dispossession or participation in all the decisions. The state will intervene strongly when it must, pushed by superior motives, without regards to particular interests.”
In this debate, Hitler isn’t making the case for socialism, much to Strasser’s dismay. He is making the case for fascism — in his view, not just an ideal system to organize government, but the only real option. “A system that rests on anything other than authority downwards and responsibility upwards cannot really make decisions,” he tells Strasser.

“Fascism offers us a model that we can absolutely replicate! As it is in the case of Fascism, the entrepreneurs and the workers of our National Socialist state sit side by side, equal in rights, the state strongly intervenes in the case of conflict to impose its decision and end economic disputes that put the life of the nation in danger.”

https://institutenr.org/2016/12/30/hitler-vs-strasser-the-historic-debate-of-may-21st-and-22nd-1930-otto-strasser/

And they did regulate the stock market so that there won't be any negative impacts of crony capitalism. On Hitlers views of Usury and such,

In a 1923 interview with pro-Nazi writer George Sylvester Viereck, Hitler said, “In my scheme of the German state, there will be no room for the alien, no use for the wastrel, for the usurer or speculator, or anyone incapable of productive work.”

In Hitler’s version of National Socialism, socialism was “Aryan” and focused on the “commonwealth” of everyday Germans — a group of people he unites as one based entirely on their race. In that same interview with Viereck, Hitler added:

“Socialism is the science of dealing with the common wealth. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic... We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.”

Both Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor paid the price for challenging Hitler and advocating for socialism within the Nazi party. Gregor was murdered during the Night of Long Knives in 1934, a mass purge of the left wing of the Nazi Party in which between 85 and 200 people were killed as part of an effort, in Hitler’s words, to prevent a “socialist revolution.” Otto Strasser fled Germany, ultimately seeking refuge in Canada.

Of party leader and dissenter Otto Strasser (whose similarly-minded brother, Gregor, would ultimately be assassinated by the Nazis), William Shirer writes:

Unfortunately for him, he had taken seriously not only the word “socialist” but the word “workers” in the party’s official name of National Socialist German Workers’ Party. He had supported certain strikes of the socialist trade unions and demanded that the party come out for nationalization of industry. This of course was heresy to Hitler, who accused Otto Strasser of professing the cardinal sins of “democracy and liberalism.” On May 21 and 22, 1930, the Fuehrer had a showdown with his rebellious subordinate and demanded complete submission. When Otto refused, he was booted out of the party.

This excerpt from a speech Hitler gave in 1922 (quoted in William L. Shirer’s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, published in 1960) is indicative:

Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, “Deutschland ueber Alles,” to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist.

Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state.

The “National Socialists” wanted to unite the two political camps of left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism, borrowing much of its rhetoric in the process, from its self-image as a movement rather than a party, to its much-vaunted contempt for bourgeois convention and conservative timidity.

Another problematic quote going around is the "we are socialists" quote by Hitler peddled mainly by spineless christsucking cuckervatives.

We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!

While Hitler may have co-opted elements of this language when it was politically expedient, they are not his words. Instead, these are the words of early Nazi party official Gregor Strasser, printed in a 1926 pamphlet titled Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future.

As for anarcho communism that system is based on an assumption that people will deliberately share their resources with others out of charity. If that doesn't sound like Christianity I don't know what will. No one can be equal and nature frowns upon equality. Equality destroys the natural equilibrium of things. Its an unimaginable system in reality. Communism and these things always look good on paper like a scientist who works the math perfectly to show this will definitely happen. But all of these fail in reality because humans are inherently opposed to such utopian beliefs .Nor should we aim to return to pastoral habitats which would be going backwards in our civilization building endeavors. Communist and Socialist principles like UBI have been previously implemented in EU states and have had virtually no effect but have actually degraded the economy further. There are countless articles about this and how it negatively affects the economy rather than achieving what the socialists say it will. The best way forward is economic freedom, privatization with a culture of nationalism and regulations in the stock market which would prevent hoax policies like the ones of monetary easing, bank bailouts etc in the US.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

The "We are socialists" quote is a fabrication and is a quote from Strasser, not of Hitler.

I really find it weird that we have to explain these things, in the sense that, how dumb are some people? They really believe you can enforce people to give out their wealth? For what reason?

All of this is jewish and talmudic. Shameful shit that this crap even made it to the forums. Calling Hitler a socialist is nothing else but a jewish agenda, coming from the think tanks that Jack also explains here.

We are Spiritual Satanists, not "Satanists". Those who do not understand this they will not understand that National Socialism, is not "Socialism", but National Socialism.

Pity on these small brained individuals, really. Our re-definition gives credence only to ourselves: The Spiritual Satanists. Likewise, Hitler's success was National Socialist one, not a "Socialist" one. You have to be really ignorant to not understand this.

 

[Zammel]

The "We are socialists" quote is a fabrication and is a quote from Strasser, not of Hitler.

I really find it weird that we have to explain these things, in the sense that, how dumb are some people? They really believe you can enforce people to give out their wealth? For what reason?

All of this is jewish and talmudic. Shameful shit that this crap even made it to the forums. Calling Hitler a socialist is nothing else but a jewish agenda, coming from the think tanks that Jack also explains here.

We are Spiritual Satanists, not "Satanists". Those who do not understand this they will not understand that National Socialism, is not "Socialism", but National Socialism.

Pity on these small brained individuals, really. Our re-definition gives credence only to ourselves: The Spiritual Satanists. Likewise, Hitler's success was National Socialist one, not a "Socialist" one. You have to be really ignorant to not understand this.

I remember, having read something, like "Hitler did not give money to pay for exports, but gave German goods of equal value" and "to favor the birth of children to each child the mortgage was discounted by 25% in this way the fourth child would no longer be
had to pay "(the latter if I'm not mistaken on a PDF or in a video I saw it) is correct?
And a nationalsocialist, tax sistem how work? I know is a complex matter, but economy is one of my passion

 

[Mageson666]

The fact is simple the Nazi's created a synthesis of private sector and public sector into a new society that was based on understanding and applying the best principals of each where they worked the best. And reorganized this common-sense approach based on the betterment and well being of the racial community within the context of actual natural laws and principals and designed a social, legal, political and economic, cultural framework to accomplish this within.

 

[Mageson666]

Hitler's major statement to Strasser was over the fact that Strasser wanted a Central Economically Planned society. That is the core organization principal of Communism. Hitler called him a Marxism clown basically and stated this would destroy German society and impoverish everyone. Hitler created an ethically regulated Free Market that removed the criminality out of the system and allowed Germany to become wealthy. You have to have a Free Market in this sense as it gives the needed feed back to produce the needed amount of goods and services to keep society well off the CPE is a retarded and does the opposite there is no way to even plan for enough toilet paper.

The Strasser's it turns out where also on the secret pay roll of wealthy Jewish agents the whole time and were paying them to cause problems and destroy the Party. Just like Russel Brand, behind him are a society full of wealthy Jewish agents promoting his fame to push Marxism.

 

[Zammel]

Hitler's major statement to Strasser was over the fact that Strasser wanted a Central Economically Planned society. That is the core organization principal of Communism. Hitler called him a Marxism clown basically and stated this would destroy German society and impoverish everyone. Hitler created an ethically regulated Free Market that removed the criminality out of the system and allowed Germany to become wealthy. You have to have a Free Market in this sense as it gives the needed feed back to produce the needed amount of goods and services to keep society well off the CPE is a retarded and does the opposite there is no way to even plan for enough toilet paper.

The Strasser's it turns out where also on the secret pay roll of wealthy Jewish agents the whole time and were paying them to cause problems and destroy the Party. Just like Russel Brand, behind him are a society full of wealthy Jewish agents promoting his fame to push Marxism.

HP,the taxs, in a nationalsocialist/satanist society how run? Have ideas? AKA, the property tax are good? The free healty(hospital like italy) are good?