methods of coping with intense pain and fatigue

[serpentwalker666]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

What kind of pain, exactly? Pain usually derives from the existence of pathogens, notably inflammation. This would be a yang pathogen that you would resolve with Laguz.

However, if you have lower vitality, not just in general but in specific organs, then even yang deficiency problems can lead to pain, especially as circulation is impacted, or something similar. Yang deficiency is resolved through fire energies like Sowilo, or physical exercise.

I am guessing that you are dealing more with inflammation, but usually low health leads to both yin and yang problems anyway. Any inflammation in the body, known as heat by TCM, is what I believe to be a likely cause of pain, as this is similar to pathological martian energy.

Furthermore, most pain reliving drugs work by blocking inflammation, although they do so questionable means.

Therefore, try raising Laguz, then direct it to now remove the pain, which you can visualize as Laguz putting out the "fire" of the inflammation, calming and relaxing the tissue. I've done this in a general sense, directed just at "heat", and it is certainly very calming and stress relieving.

By doing this in an immediate sense, rather than as a full and permanent working, the effect will be more pronounced and should help to quickly stabilize you.

If this doesn't prove satisfactory, then use Uruz again, as Uruz covers areas of both yin and yang, although I believe it is predominantly yang. It is an energy of healing, though, and should work well in a general sense.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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I misread your post to mean just chronic pain, missing the fatigue part, so this slightly changes my other advice.

Fatigue is generally associated with yang deficiency, but even yin deficiency, like of the blood, can cause this. Removing pathological heat with Laguz will make it easier for your body to restore the missing material yin components.

As for a quick way to gain energy, I would direct your attention towards the breath of fire. Do this, and also hold the stomach 36 acupoint, which is the main point to activate the digestion to produce both energy and blood.

You can see the point in between the two bones. Just put your fingers in that area and hold with medium pressure. It doesn't have to be perfect.

If you place one leg over your other's knee, you should be able to comfortably hold the point on that leg, both in general, but also while doing the breath of fire. Doing all of this, plus making use of Laguz or Uruz for immediate boosts, is a pretty good method for directly targeting your body's physical energy.

You can stop and just do this for like 10 or 15 minutes while watching TV or something and it should make you feel good enough to get up and get some work done, or whatever else. It is much easier to convince yourself to do this than a full yoga routine.

I would also remind you of Mars being in Leo, and you can start this on a good degree (not 22 or 25) on this Thursday, I believe, or the next week. Program the energy directly towards improving your vitality and it will definitely help, nor should the Mars Square take too long.

The same can be said of the upcoming Sun energy, of which you should probably try to do both a material and spiritual square.

 

[serpentwalker666]

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I misread your post to mean just chronic pain, missing the fatigue part, so this slightly changes my other advice.

Fatigue is generally associated with yang deficiency, but even yin deficiency, like of the blood, can cause this. Removing pathological heat with Laguz will make it easier for your body to restore the missing material yin components.

As for a quick way to gain energy, I would direct your attention towards the breath of fire. Do this, and also hold the stomach 36 acupoint, which is the main point to activate the digestion to produce both energy and blood.

You can see the point in between the two bones. Just put your fingers in that area and hold with medium pressure. It doesn't have to be perfect.

If you place one leg over your other's knee, you should be able to comfortably hold the point on that leg, both in general, but also while doing the breath of fire. Doing all of this, plus making use of Laguz or Uruz for immediate boosts, is a pretty good method for directly targeting your body's physical energy.

You can stop and just do this for like 10 or 15 minutes while watching TV or something and it should make you feel good enough to get up and get some work done, or whatever else. It is much easier to convince yourself to do this than a full yoga routine.

I would also remind you of Mars being in Leo, and you can start this on a good degree (not 22 or 25) on this Thursday, I believe, or the next week. Program the energy directly towards improving your vitality and it will definitely help, nor should the Mars Square take too long.

The same can be said of the upcoming Sun energy, of which you should probably try to do both a material and spiritual square.

Thank you. I want to mention as well, I did start a working for vitality and wealth on the Summer Solstice. Im using SURYAH for this working.

I will definitely see about applying the runes. I do one session of yoga daily and work with the kundalini energies when I can. The serpent energy I know can heal ailments and symptoms, just this takes time.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

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I misread your post to mean just chronic pain, missing the fatigue part, so this slightly changes my other advice.

Fatigue is generally associated with yang deficiency, but even yin deficiency, like of the blood, can cause this. Removing pathological heat with Laguz will make it easier for your body to restore the missing material yin components.

As for a quick way to gain energy, I would direct your attention towards the breath of fire. Do this, and also hold the stomach 36 acupoint, which is the main point to activate the digestion to produce both energy and blood.

You can see the point in between the two bones. Just put your fingers in that area and hold with medium pressure. It doesn't have to be perfect.

If you place one leg over your other's knee, you should be able to comfortably hold the point on that leg, both in general, but also while doing the breath of fire. Doing all of this, plus making use of Laguz or Uruz for immediate boosts, is a pretty good method for directly targeting your body's physical energy.

You can stop and just do this for like 10 or 15 minutes while watching TV or something and it should make you feel good enough to get up and get some work done, or whatever else. It is much easier to convince yourself to do this than a full yoga routine.

I would also remind you of Mars being in Leo, and you can start this on a good degree (not 22 or 25) on this Thursday, I believe, or the next week. Program the energy directly towards improving your vitality and it will definitely help, nor should the Mars Square take too long.

The same can be said of the upcoming Sun energy, of which you should probably try to do both a material and spiritual square.

Could it be due to excessive toxic heat production along with an aphantasia problem due to a highly afflicted and weakened Neptune?

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

Please go to TCM specialist with it. Ask others to give you money for this and they WILL do. Ask Gods that the money came to you and do the first wealth working from the previous Donors' gift, do not endure pain, brother.

As from my experience the only working mean to significantly reduce pain from dead level of blood stagnation (the worst pain condition known to TCM for thousands of years, not sure whether this applies to your case) is accupuncture session. Everyday.

I am trying to find a topic now where Blitzkreig [JG] answered on self pricking. Happily needles are very cheep and anyone can buy them. So before i found it I must comment here: it is very dangerous. Some points allow just up to 0,5 cun while cun is "individual". Cun can be "proportional" (from umbicilus to xiphoid process - 8 cun) and "individual" (distance between the skin folds of the bent third finger of the hand). So they both are individual just called differently. For the location of the acupoint you use proportinal cun, while for the depth of the pricking you use individual cun.

1 and 2 – 1 cun; 3 – 11/2 cun; 4 – 3 cun

For example, the middle line of the abdomen (Ren May chennel) is mostly to be pricked 0,5 individual cun. It is very little or you may prick the organs. Now below I wish to share my experience.

I tried and I found that the needle is extremely thin while the skin on legs and belly or most places you might try to prick except hands is very thick, but only outer layers of the skin. So I literally could not prick it for several minutes. But when I DID prick it automatically went too deep before I had time to stop the force. The inner layers are very soft and the needle easily goes through and can easily prick the internal organs such as the bladder. When I was trying using all my force to prick the outer layers I caught it too late when it ran through. It runs deep and very quickly before a person manages to stop force apply, also the needle is so thin that it is painless and bloodless when it runs in the deeper layers, also it runs very quickly, which means nothing can stop your force apply except your knowledge and mastery. Happily those points I tried allowed up to 1-2 individual cun depth to prick, but some points (most of which I needed to prick) are allowing only 0,5 individual cun depth or one can prick the organs, so newbies will have problems using them on the belly. My TCM doctor told me that in China they have academies where they learn to prick. One must take a pack of paper and train to prick on them. this trains fingers to prick the thick outer layers of the skin so that the force used is not too much and quickly stops so that the needle does not go further. He advised me to prick only hands and legs while I learn as this is safer for newbies.

He meant it should be done daily like putting in front of you a pack of printer paper and try to prick it with a thin TCM needle. It is meant to teach you to control your power and make your fingers more powerful to prick the outer layer of skin which is very hard to prick. He also said something like you should kinda twist or curl the needle while pricking and that acupoint should kinda hurt when pricked appropriately on the outer skin layers.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

I am trying to find a topic now where Blitzkreig [JG] answered on self pricking. Happily needles are very cheep and anyone can buy them. So before i found it I must comment here: it is very dangerous.

I don't believe I ever advised this, based on exactly what you experienced. AcuPRESSURE is what I refer to, which is using your finger, or another tool like a wand, to stimulate the point.

 

[serpentwalker666]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

Please go to TCM specialist with it. Ask others to give you money for this and they WILL do. Ask Gods that the money came to you and do the first wealth working from the previous Donors' gift, do not endure pain, brother.

As from my experience the only working mean to significantly reduce pain from dead level of blood stagnation (the worst pain condition known to TCM for thousands of years, not sure whether this applies to your case) is accupuncture session. Everyday.

I am trying to find a topic now where Blitzkreig [JG] answered on self pricking. Happily needles are very cheep and anyone can buy them. So before i found it I must comment here: it is very dangerous. Some points allow just up to 0,5 cun while cun is "individual". Cun can be "proportional" (from umbicilus to xiphoid process - 8 cun) and "individual" (distance between the skin folds of the bent third finger of the hand). So they both are individual just called differently. For the location of the acupoint you use proportinal cun, while for the depth of the pricking you use individual cun.

1 and 2 – 1 cun; 3 – 11/2 cun; 4 – 3 cun

For example, the middle line of the abdomen (Ren May chennel) is mostly to be pricked 0,5 individual cun. It is very little or you may prick the organs. Now below I wish to share my experience.

I tried and I found that the needle is extremely thin while the skin on legs and belly or most places you might try to prick except hands is very thick, but only outer layers of the skin. So I literally could not prick it for several minutes. But when I DID prick it automatically went too deep before I had time to stop the force. The inner layers are very soft and the needle easily goes through and can easily prick the internal organs such as the bladder. When I was trying using all my force to prick the outer layers I caught it too late when it ran through. It runs deep and very quickly before a person manages to stop force apply, also the needle is so thin that it is painless and bloodless when it runs in the deeper layers, also it runs very quickly, which means nothing can stop your force apply except your knowledge and mastery. Happily those points I tried allowed up to 1-2 individual cun depth to prick, but some points (most of which I needed to prick) are allowing only 0,5 individual cun depth or one can prick the organs, so newbies will have problems using them on the belly. My TCM doctor told me that in China they have academies where they learn to prick. One must take a pack of paper and train to prick on them. this trains fingers to prick the thick outer layers of the skin so that the force used is not too much and quickly stops so that the needle does not go further. He advised me to prick only hands and legs while I learn as this is safer for newbies.

He meant it should be done daily like putting in front of you a pack of printer paper and try to prick it with a thin TCM needle. It is meant to teach you to control your power and make your fingers more powerful to prick the outer layer of skin which is very hard to prick. He also said something like you should kinda twist or curl the needle while pricking and that acupoint should kinda hurt when pricked appropriately on the outer skin layers.

This is far too dangerous to really recommend. You should be careful even mentioning this here and perhaps put a disclaimer. Nobody should do this unless they are actually working with a licensed tcm acupuncturist who is training them.

I want to add here as well. That learning to manipulate the meridians with your chi would likely be far safer. This can be done to an extent to where it's comparable to acupuncture when one has enough mastery of their life-force and the meridian channels.

Again, one needs to really know what they are doing. As something like that is very serious. I don't want to really even know what would happen if the chi within the meridians was manipulated incorrectly. However, I do know that with enough research and proper application it's very effective.

Another thing as well. I'm aware of the urgency of getting a consultation and figuring out my health.

Unfortunately I've had to put that on the back burner. I have a financial situation that is needing addressed and is where much of my time has went along with some personal problems in my life.

I haven't been around as much because of all this to read posts. I do want to mention though that the fast heart rate I experienced for much of my life has completely disappeared and my heart rate is now normal. I have confirmed this through seeing a doctor recently for a check up.

Now all that's left is solving the chronic ibs, and chronic fatigue thankfully.

 

[serpentwalker666]

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I am trying to find a topic now where Blitzkreig [JG] answered on self pricking. Happily needles are very cheep and anyone can buy them. So before i found it I must comment here: it is very dangerous.

I don't believe I ever advised this, based on exactly what you experienced. AcuPRESSURE is what I refer to, which is using your finger, or another tool like a wand, to stimulate the point.

Yeah I want to second this, it can be very helpful to just do regular acupressure sessions.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

" post_id=459622 time=1692752468 user_id=21286]

I am trying to find a topic now where Blitzkreig [JG] answered on self pricking. Happily needles are very cheep and anyone can buy them. So before i found it I must comment here: it is very dangerous.

I don't believe I ever advised this, based on exactly what you experienced. AcuPRESSURE is what I refer to, which is using your finger, or another tool like a wand, to stimulate the point.

Sorry, I think I misread your post here https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=413258#p413258

This is far too dangerous to really recommend. You should be careful even mentioning this here and perhaps put a disclaimer. Nobody should do this unless they are actually working with a licensed tcm acupuncturist who is training them.

This is very right. I just put it for those who will do it anyway or suicide under torture they are under, to warn them about the depth and cun specific etc. so that they at least do it correctly.

Btw I am so happy that at least one problem with the heart is now solved.

 

[Aquarius]

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I am trying to find a topic now where Blitzkreig [JG] answered on self pricking. Happily needles are very cheep and anyone can buy them. So before i found it I must comment here: it is very dangerous.

I don't believe I ever advised this, based on exactly what you experienced. AcuPRESSURE is what I refer to, which is using your finger, or another tool like a wand, to stimulate the point.

Yeah I want to second this, it can be very helpful to just do regular acupressure sessions.

Check out the Buteyko method, it can be very useful for you I believe.

 

[NinRick]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

What helps me with my overall wellbeing:

- Avoid processed foods. Eat whole food only, no junk or fast food etc. Eat loads of veggies, and cook your own food.

-cold showers: boost your immune system, wakes the body up. You fell reawakened and refreshed.

-hit the gym and go out for runs. Humans have evolved to use their bodies and grow muscles. Use it or lose it.

-Try time restricted eating. For example only from 10 am to 6pm. Or 12 am to 6 pm. Eat only when the sun is up, and drink loads of water.

-Fasting for 2 or 3 days may also be beneficial for you. Once Ketogenesis kicks in you should have much energy.

-get a full 7 hours sleep. if needed more.

- Go to the doctor and examine your blood for malnutrition. If needed, supplement the minerals or vitamins you are lacking. This is very individual and you really need a professional bloodtest to see what you need.

-Also you could try to experimentally take Resveratol and NMN. This is supplementing loads of energy to your cells.


if you do everything I mentioned above, you also retain youth better and be overall healthier.

 

[NinRick]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOvn4UqznU&pp=ygUSZHIgcHJhZGlwIGphbW5hZGFz

 

[Edward Lonsa]

I can't delete or change my posts here but since they are there anyway, I wish to attract attention to this danger:

Inner layers of the skin are painless. Pain will not stop you from pricking deeper and deeper, and this is a TRAP. Actually the acupoint is where the pain is - the outer layers and they are the ones that are needed only in TCM. Usually the needle should be as deep as needed for it to cling and to not fall - no more. Deeper layers where if you prick the pain totally vanishes - it means that you must stop ASAP.

The other issue some people look fat but in reality are dystrophic, for example huge tumor makes belly seem large while under the skin in reality there is no fat and not protection, while if the tumor is behind the organ it would push the organ up so that the last is literally pressed to the skin. Tumors are known to dislocate the organs so that they are not where they are expected to be. Since the worst pains can come from such state, people should not needle themselves everywhere just out of despair - with the organ literally pressed to the thin fatless skin even 0,2 cun may be too much, maybe some leg and arm points should be chosen instead. This is when the despair should be not listened to. I answer because there are people who can't endure torture and are doing it anyway.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOvn4UqznU&pp=ygUSZHIgcHJhZGlwIGphbW5hZGFz

The dude literally has Hebrew letters on his cap. I'm sure there are also other sources out there in regards to these topics.

 

[Henu the Great]

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

Fasting does not always work for everyone. I could not imagine endurance athletes being capable of training daily and fasting regularly.

 

[NinRick]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOvn4UqznU&pp=ygUSZHIgcHJhZGlwIGphbW5hZGFz

The dude literally has Hebrew letters on his cap. I'm sure there are also other sources out there in regards to these topics.

Nope. You just see half of the letters because he folded the cap.

 

[NinRick]

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

Fasting does not always work for everyone. I could not imagine endurance athletes being capable of training daily and fasting regularly.

watch the video if you want to get educated about that topic. I also didn’t know what fasting does, or how the human body really works.
I am fasting and running btw.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOvn4UqznU&pp=ygUSZHIgcHJhZGlwIGphbW5hZGFz

The dude literally has Hebrew letters on his cap. I'm sure there are also other sources out there in regards to these topics.

Nope. You just see half of the letters because he folded the cap.

He's wearing a Star Trek cap, pretty damning to me!

 

[NinRick]

Hello. I am making this post to just see if anyone has any strategies or suggestions for coping with chronic fatigue and pain.

I am doing everything I can on a spiritual and physical aspect to overcome all this. Ive experienced health changes. But the issues are chronic and take time to heal.

So in the meantime. Im curious of any thoughts and advice..

I intend to book a health consultation with centralforce when I can. Unfortunately other things must take precedent over that currently, as I'm working to overcome serious financial limitations.

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOvn4UqznU&pp=ygUSZHIgcHJhZGlwIGphbW5hZGFz

The dude literally has Hebrew letters on his cap. I'm sure there are also other sources out there in regards to these topics.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UJaEZe9gg&pp=ygVSZXhwb3NpbmcgdGhlIGxpbmtzIGJldHdlZW4gY2FsY2l1bSB2aXRhbWluIGsyIGFuZCBwbGFxdWUgYnVpbGR1cCBpbiBibG9vZCB2ZXNzZWxzIA%3D%3D

close up of his cap. You can see, that there are no hebrew letters at all… we destroyed them

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Sorry, I think I misread your post here https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=413258#p413258

Thanks for linking that to me, because I wasn't clear enough about what I meant.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

A Cardiologist explains everything he learned during his career about fasting on the human body. He learned everything simply by trial and error.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOvn4UqznU&pp=ygUSZHIgcHJhZGlwIGphbW5hZGFz

The dude literally has Hebrew letters on his cap. I'm sure there are also other sources out there in regards to these topics.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UJaEZe9gg&pp=ygVSZXhwb3NpbmcgdGhlIGxpbmtzIGJldHdlZW4gY2FsY2l1bSB2aXRhbWluIGsyIGFuZCBwbGFxdWUgYnVpbGR1cCBpbiBibG9vZCB2ZXNzZWxzIA%3D%3D

close up of his cap. You can see, that there are no hebrew letters at all… we destroyed them

Please kill me if you ever see me wearing something like that.

 

[NinRick]

The dude literally has Hebrew letters on his cap. I'm sure there are also other sources out there in regards to these topics.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UJaEZe9gg&pp=ygVSZXhwb3NpbmcgdGhlIGxpbmtzIGJldHdlZW4gY2FsY2l1bSB2aXRhbWluIGsyIGFuZCBwbGFxdWUgYnVpbGR1cCBpbiBibG9vZCB2ZXNzZWxzIA%3D%3D

close up of his cap. You can see, that there are no hebrew letters at all… we destroyed them

Please kill me if you ever see me wearing something like that.

:lol:

 

[Henu the Great]

watch the video if you want to get educated about that topic. I also didn’t know what fasting does, or how the human body really works.

Interestingly enough I am aware of his points. What I wonder is how are fats able to sustain high-intensity workouts and race-pace workouts. I get that fats are the best for low to mid-intensity efforts as they can be effectively used for that purpose while also getting other benefits by being dependent on fats first. But anything above ~85% of intensity I have not seen evidence indicating that fats are better, but the opposite.

That being said, yes endurance athletics can be done with ketogenesis, but for anyone who does high-intensity intervals and is generally interested in something that has lots of high-intensity included in their regiment, I would say they can not effectively utilize ketogenesis without sacrificing their performance on the upper end.

If you have information indicating otherwise, please let me know.

I am fasting and running btw.

To be more specific, how exactly are you fasting and what kind of workouts do you do?

 

[NinRick]

watch the video if you want to get educated about that topic. I also didn’t know what fasting does, or how the human body really works.

Interestingly enough I am aware of his points. What I wonder is how are fats able to sustain high-intensity workouts and race-pace workouts. I get that fats are the best for low to mid-intensity efforts as they can be effectively used for that purpose while also getting other benefits by being dependent on fats first. But anything above ~85% of intensity I have not seen evidence indicating that fats are better, but the opposite.

That being said, yes endurance athletics can be done with ketogenesis, but for anyone who does high-intensity intervals and is generally interested in something that has lots of high-intensity included in their regiment, I would say they can not effectively utilize ketogenesis without sacrificing their performance on the upper end.

If you have information indicating otherwise, please let me know.

I am fasting and running btw.

To be more specific, how exactly are you fasting and what kind of workouts do you do?

You won’t be able to perform at your peak for sure. I just do casual endurance running 5-10kms and Indefinitely feel that I have less energy. Once your ketogenes are used up, you need your body to turn fat into energy, which takes time I believe.

 

[Henu the Great]

You won’t be able to perform at your peak for sure. I just do casual endurance running 5-10kms and Indefinitely feel that I have less energy. Once your ketogenes are used up, you need your body to turn fat into energy, which takes time I believe.

The effectiveness of fat metabolism can be trained. One of the results of doing low- to medium-intensity workouts for longer periods (with running, 90 minutes and longer for most hobby and amateur runners) is better efficiency of using fats for energy which translates to better performance in the power zone below the anaerobic threshold. In other words, pushing the anaerobic (and aerobic) threshold(s) higher from below.

 

[NinRick]

You won’t be able to perform at your peak for sure. I just do casual endurance running 5-10kms and Indefinitely feel that I have less energy. Once your ketogenes are used up, you need your body to turn fat into energy, which takes time I believe.

The effectiveness of fat metabolism can be trained. One of the results of doing low- to medium-intensity workouts for longer periods (with running, 90 minutes and longer for most hobby and amateur runners) is better efficiency of using fats for energy which translates to better performance in the power zone below the anaerobic threshold. In other words, pushing the anaerobic (and aerobic) threshold(s) higher from below.

Oh thank you for this, I didn’t know this.
So the more I run while fasting, the more efficient my body becomes at metabolising fats?
Or just generally running for longer times does this? (I am usually just running for 30mins to 1h)

 

[Henu the Great]

Oh thank you for this, I didn’t know this.
So the more I run while fasting, the more efficient my body becomes at metabolising fats?
Or just generally running for longer times does this? (I am usually just running for 30mins to 1h)

That adaptation (correct term is fat oxidization) occurs when the power zone is adjusted according to the main fuel source used, in this case being low to medium intensity. Most likely by being already in ketosis this adaptation is further accelerated, but the same principle works for those who are not in ketosis. When your heart rate (rate of exertion) is suitable for this to occur (ideally, you should be able to run hours on end at this pace) this response is at it's highest point. Usually when talking about this subject with trained people the volume increases as intensity goes lower. The same works in the other way: as an example, all-out sprint efforts last usually under a minute, or a bit over a minute.

30-60 minutes is a short period of time for low intensity running, and average duration for medium intensity, but you can see improvements in efforts like that up to a point. It depends on your current level and your genetic potential. Eventually you would need to run for longer, for example 90-120 minutes. At 6 minutes per kilometer pace that would be 15 to 20 kilometer distance.

In short, yes. You would become more efficient at using fats by training at low to medium intensity methodically.