Ideas on how to psychically harvest energy from the vaccinated?

[Dahaarkan]

So, let me get this straight. I'll paint the picture to make it personal, so maybe you now understand what Dahaarkan is advocating.

:arrow: There is a wealthy capitalist called Joe.
:arrow: Joe has stolen from you, your wife, your family, your wife's family all his life.
:arrow: Joe comes under Bob's attention for his thievery.
:arrow: Bob is another SS like and your wife.
:arrow: Joe has never stolen a penny from Bob and anyone related to him.
:arrow: Bob decides to steal from Joe and keep all the loot to himself.

You are saying this is fine and that Bob is free to do as he pleases, even if Bob is now the thief because he owns the part of the loot that belongs to you, your wife, your family and your wife's family.

What I am advocating instead is either one of these patterns:

:arrow: Joe should come under investigation from the SS police.
:arrow: The SS police should turn the evidence to the SS justice system.
:arrow: The SS justice system should evaluate the evidence.
:arrow: Then the SS justice system should seize Joe's assets and imprison Joe.
:arrow: Joe's assets would then be divided between the people he stole from including you, your wife, your family, your wife's family.
:arrow: The victims could be given reasonable options of how to deal with the criminal, Joe.

Option 2:

:arrow: You and your wife decide to take action against Joe.
:arrow: You and your wife, through spiritual endeavours, recover the part of Joe's assets that belongs to you and your families.
:arrow: You then report Joe to the police
:arrow: Then a protocol similar to option 1 ensue to make sure all other families recover what's owed to them, as they are too weak, still not SS or there is some other issue preventing them from taking action on their own.

Option 3:

:arrow: All wronged families take action together against Joe.
:arrow: All wronged families recover what it's owed to them, and deal with Joe within the limits of the law.

Is it more understandable now?

Spiritual Satanism is not chaos and left-hand path or whatever goes through your minds. It is also not right-hand path, extreme restriction and so on. The Code of Hammurabi is clear that justice is proportional to the crime. If you steal from someone who has never wronged you, like Dahaarkan stated he does, you are a thief. The only way to rectify this is to distribute the loot back to the people it belongs to. Thievery is a crime in Spiritual Satanism too and in any advanced civilisation. It will always be a crime, no matter what you people say or do.

How do I contact these SS police?

We're talking about the real world, here and now, not in your fantasy world. I'm not the Satanic robocop that has some responsibility to babysit idiot goyim. Anybody and everybody in the world can stop browsing facebook and looking at memes to instead start looking for answers and knowledge.

Before long find their way here, and take control of their own lives. It's not anybody's responsibility to babysit inept and lazy souls who don't take justice into their own hands, and spoon feed them justice. And the idea that I shouldn't cause harm to someone who never wronged me personally is psychotic and retarded. So if you see someone in the streets being raped by a muslim it's also wrong to beat this rapist simply because he never wronged YOU personally?

They stole from my PEOPLE. They CURSED my CHILDREN WITH POVERTY. They don't have to steal from me personally to be in the wrong and deserving of punishment. I don't have the power to right every wrong, and to do massive scale wealth reallocation. But I can at least cause in them the same harm and exploitation they cause on others. You completely ignore the justice in this in your dishonest attempts to spite me personally.

The more you post the more psychotic and insane you appear. You already reached rock bottom and now you're grabbing a shovel and starting to dig. Satan doesn't intrude in mine or anybody's private affairs, and if what I'm doing was so abhorrent He would have already. I would have never been permitted to talk about it here in the first place.

Your solution and alternative is some fantasy land bullshit that is impossible in present times. Guys when you have a problem just make a call to your local SS police department, and the SS justice system (which totally exists) will take care of everything...this dude is so delusional and insane it's actually mind boggling.


The reality is you people spend too much time being worshiped by fucking idiots. And start to think too highly of yourselves. You do not dictate what is satanic, what is a "crime" or "sin" in a satanic sense, and you do not dictate rules and guidelines to other people on what is and isn't acceptable in Satanism.

Maybe you can impress and dominate the inexperienced and make them submit to your arbitrary rules and guidelines, which the gods do not impose, but you presume to have the right to do this. But any sane or experienced Satanist will tell you to go fuck yourselves immediately.

And then you pretend like you are serving Satan, or the forums. You are doing things that are good for the cause and mad respect for that. But you're not doing them for Satan, you're doing it for your egos and it shows when you start making childish boasts of how important and helpful you think you are, and professing superiority over others.

Superiority is self evident and requires no verbal explanation.

 

[Dahaarkan]

People here just don't like sniveling rat like behavior.

You hate sniveling rat behavior so much that you all start crying and condemning me when I punish people for being sniveling rats.

No, it's not that you simply dislike me noooo! First it was "jewish". Then it was "not the Satanic way" or some kind of "sin". Then someone mentioned JoS teaches energy ripping and now it's none of that.

Then it became distasteful, but it's also justice so it's not that either. Now apparently destroying sniveling rats who exploit innocent people, is sniveling rat behavior, even though it's taught by JoS in some capacity. No, really there's a lot of logic and reason behind all these arguments, and all of this is not at all simply you people complaining for the sake of complaining because you don't like me personally.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I on the contrary would prefer to remain poor

Jackie goy go on the JoS forums and use the respect and reputation you've gained over the years to preach that poverty is a virtue! Condemn all goyim who do what they can to push themselves out of poverty!

You actually go as far as to preach xian morality in the JOY OF SATAN forums just to spite me personally. Keep going jack, you're doing a great job and not at all making a clown out of yourself. Honk honk

 

[Dahaarkan]

To end this fork here, I want to say that you should open a separate topic if you want to have a go with me, or better yet you can contact Cobra directly.

So your best response to criticism given to your modus operandi is hiding behind HC?

HC isn't your secretary for you to direct other people's complaints when you bait them with your arrogance. And he's not your bodyguard for you to hide behind just because someone criticized something you did.

How about you take HC's example and learn from him, seeing as you're pulling him into to something YOU brought upon yourself. He's not afraid of criticism, doesn't run away from it or direct it to someone else. If anything he grows from it when it's valid. Your post was useless and contained no useful insight or information, and you've made more posts in such manner.

I'm not trying to destroy you here, just giving actual feedback, which I know you're not used to so you take it personally. Again, take example from HC. He does not post for the sake of posting, and when he posts, even in matters he personally disagrees with, does so in informative, non baity and non arrogant fashion.

Note HC also posted in this thread and compare the way his posts are worded and presented, and then look at yours. I don't know what kind of privilege or responsibility you are given and I don't care. The point is HC can disagree and debate without being looking like a snob, you cannot. This is why you get shit and he doesn't.


But if you do have some kind of responsibility here, here's a complaint for you. Take a few steps back and look at the forums and the atmosphere from a grander perspective. People are afraid to talk. People are afraid to ask questions, people are afraid to voice their thoughts.

Because if someone says something that a certain group on here disagrees with, people are dog piled and spoken to in such crude manner that they simply leave and never return. This thread is evidence of this. So how about yo take the responsibility you've been entrusted with and do something positive with it, and lead by example, instead of being yet another know-it-all snob. We have enough of those as it is.

 

[Dahaarkan]

It’s about time sometime told him something. He goes on every post just acting like a bot repeating the same things as a solution to every problem and he gets to be the special boy with moderator privileges because of it. Be the most borg like to become a “reputable” member.

Don't try to sabotage his contributions. I'm not a pawn to your personal grudges. Sure he's been making more and more of these silly pointless posts, but he's also given a lot of valuable input and informative posts over the years and helped a lot of newbs. You will not paint it as if all he's contributed are the useless 10 word posts he drops on occasion, and to be fair he's not the one who started this trend, and definitely not the worst in this.

I wish johnson akemi would hop back in and show these guys how it's done. No ego involved, just welcoming, warm attitude and the knowledge to back it up. Taking all these fucking noobs and turning them into SS in a heartbeat, and turning nobody away.

There's a reason akemi never got involved in drama and nobody ever complained about her. Her warm and welcoming energy, calm and patient attitude, not a hint of arrogance or ego in any of her posts. Absolute legend.

 

[fairy666]

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I am writing an article to finally put this topic to rest. You won't say it but I know this topic's being discussed more and more because of me, and it's becoming problematic. I will try to close this topic for good.

Hopefully it will satisfy the curiosity of both new and advanced people so threads like these stop happening.


My motivation to pursue this is primarily PERSONAL, rather than PRACTICAL reasons. It satisfies a deep rooted desire to topple people who exploit others, in a ruthless and poetic manner, which I will explain in this future post. Draining a rich man's soul is not even close to the wealth workings most people here are familiar with. It can supplement them though, in my experience. And considering the risks, these are the reasons I haven't fully explained what I think are the best methods to achieve this, and just suggest advanced people consider experimentation. Inexperienced people will pollute themselves immensely attempting this.

I also believe this has many applications, parasitism is one of many applications of this knowledge. Connecting with other people and transferring energies between you and them is always dirty and potentially hazardous, but I always believed these are important things to learn.

Knowledge of this practice's inner workings makes psychic vampires a non threat in my experience which I think is the highlight and most valuable thing to take from this. I just fear some will take this knowledge and ruin themselves with it.

I can relate to the same desire, at least to your brief description of it. I'm personally glad you'll be writing a post about this topic, as someone who has both been a victim of energy ripping as well as used it for justice myself. The method used on me was something close to energy replacement. Energy was ripped and stolen from me while they pushed their own energy into me. Others they did this to developed personality traits and mindset of that of the person ripping from them, it was like watching a bunch of mini-me's being created. However, the person doing the ripping also became like a completely different person as they were taking the energies into themselves. I'm gaining back what belonged to me little by little, but I hope to deal a finishing blow some day to ensure they can't ever do what they did to me to others again.

Tools in foolish or corrupted hands is always going to end in disaster. We can't stop people from going off and ruining themselves, but we can educate people enough on the risks and warnings, how to be safe when choosing and performing certain methods, then just hope that they are wise enough to heed your words.

Hey! I was looking through this thread and came across your comment, and wanted to off some advice to help you with this as I went through very similar. I had multiple psychic vampires, including my mother do this and my mom knows vampires are real and told me as a teenager. Horrible people. You're going to have to create a very strict schedule, and not be afraid to hex these people.

I'm going to make a post about this because this has helped my life significantly.

 

[fairy666]

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What I believe you like about this method of Black Magick and self defense [which is why it's given in the JoS anyway, it will be moved into the appropriate section] is that it exposes you to different types of energies, which could for all intents be generated and approached from the perspective of invocation or other avenues, especially so because they would be cleaner and far less problematic to work with.

On a sense of lifeforce absorption, psychic vampirism to regular people is like stealing 5$ from an already homeless person. Most people are energetically destitute as it is.

Certain cases of even poorer magicians and meditators who cannot really articulate what to clean, have went to ranges of insanity such as losing their identity or having even gender identity confusion, or other strange things like this, which makes the whole method at least in my perception of not that much importance compared to being able to absorb, articulate, and self generate your energy or work with natural forces which you can later on transmute as you see fit.

In the end what I believe is the most important reason for you for applying this technique is that it exposes you into certain energetic forms that you find very nice, long story short. These can be generated and tapped into from other methods [which can be similar to invocation], but without the negative hassle of absorbing human sludge involved from these.

The above is not a judgement of moral pretext here, but rather an analysis of function, which you might find useful. The perceived power this gives you is always secondary to the first power that develops or articulates these, as is the case with anything parasitic in nature.

Hey I have a question kind of in regards to this, me personally I have no desire to practice psychic vampirism. Absorbing the energy of the sun feels amazing, makes me less hungry, and gives me a lot of positive prana.

In regards to elevating your life, gold/sapphires/rubies for an example are symbols of wealth and quite a lot of money. What if someone were to instead practice psychic vampirism, do a similar concept but go into a jewelry store and invoke the energy of the expensive jewels and gold and use it in a working to acquire wealth?





---- As for OP, this is a waste of time. I completely emphasize with you, I had to flee my country to avoid tyrannical lockdowns and these zombie npc's who kept telling me I deserve to be put in internment camps or die because I refuse to bow down to this agenda.

Something that would work much better, is just programming your aura.

"My aura is constantly and continuously deflecting and repelling all narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, all negative etheric cords, tendrils, and energy and psychic vampires"

If you'd like include all individuals who are vaccinated. Do this up to 100 times daily for the month of january, and you won't have to put up with this problem any longer.

This working has done so much for me, that this man that lives across from me has a severe aversion to me because hes a narcissist. At the beach, when I arrived he literally got up and walked all the way to the opposite end of the beach to avoid me.

Anyone who has gotten the vaccine has sealed their fate, you don't need to get revenge or do anything to them because the stupidity alone of getting a vaccine meant to poison, sterilize, and kill them will be their own demise.

Many are having reverse reactions as it is, suffering from blood clots, aneurysms, sterilization, babies being born with illnesses, miscarriages, dystonia, bell's palsy, etc.

Best of wishes.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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The concept of right and wrong was never created by xianity, never possessed or attainment of their doctrines. This is like saying that the apple was created by some fictitious fairies, like, I don’t know this is so absurd.

What they did was use the nature of the human against the human, implicitly by the error that the mind can have when it is not sustained by the spiritual higher mind.

As I already said, right and wrong are values that come as a function of the process of understanding, the concepts in themselves being from the duality of all things that exist. Good and bad, right and wrong, happy and sad, one and zero.

Being it is either ignored on a conscious level, such as being against it on the mental process, it does not matter truly, as the mind by default has these valences of duality, and it uses these to open the line of thoughts implicit of their categorization.

This seed of corruption bears fruit such as everything and everyone is equal and other mind absurdities that are not true, and do not work as the living beings and nature of things are just like that, dual.

The enemy loves the concept of hive-mind, singularity. In this realm of discussion, you can see the above, such as right and wrong doesn’t exist, create the input needed for the mind to obey without discernment.

In the bible, when the human took the apple, it was said that it suddenly received the conscience, the discernment between right and wrong. Meaning from the sleeping/judge-less/borg they attained human quality and higher capacities from Satan, suddenly, as this implies and is in a direct relationship, they received free will. Free will comes with the freedom of seeing, analyzation, and judgment coupled with awareness and consciousness.
Right and wrong are values that which the mind uses to harbor and make decisions, to have free will.

Now I know what you are referring to about these, however, it has nothing to do with it. You are referring to the lack of awareness, critique and analyzation this right and wrong may ensue, but this is false. As I already said this is the background, the opened and the closer. This was used only as a closer by the enemy. This is wrong, don’t do that. But this quality of thought implies also provocative thought. It comes naturally the question Why, regardless.

So the premise is already defeated, that these values and concepts are limiting and slaving weapons of the mind. Instead, they are thought-provoking stimulants, and motives of analysis, in which knowledge can assert in the mind and have value of attention from the consciousness.

What is even funnier, is that this argument coupled with Jrvan arguments, are on the same structure of the sheep argument, reversed. It is the same effort when you tried to delimit the natural animal sheep from nature from the metaphorical use of it of the enemy. Try to think the same you did with the sheep, now with the above concepts.

If we want to complexify, we can say that causally determined wills are not free wills, and have a discussion upon theological corruptions upon the mind. But to what benefit?

The other things that you stated have nothing to do with this discussion of ethics and morality, rather are confused and correct observations attached to the wrong inputs and outputs. One can advance the rational mind and be extremely empathic at the same time, there’s nothing that would invalidate themselves of this kind. The rest may come in advancement, again nothing inherently wrong, but not right as well, only much needed advancement is due to form factual observations and not opinions before promoting them, especially to the youth.

Study Nietzsche, as he entered the realm of nihilism to provoke the thought and lethargy of the mind while giving anchors to overcome it, and told and structured doctorates around the philosophy of the higher mind and all of these transformative stages of the mind.

 

[Jrvan]

You can express your distaste for what I choose to do with my will if you want, but beyond that - what are you going to do about it? Are you going to try to stop me? If not then you are tolerating the existence of my magick will even if you say you have a problem with it. So practically you have no problem with it because you won't attempt to stop me. My existence as I am now is allowed by your existence. Since there is no problem then there's nothing worthwhile to say. Keep tolerating and tacitly accepting my existence, or else do something about it.

I'm simply going to move forward, as I've always done. I'm not going to "stop you", since I can not attack a Brother, you know this. I simply stated my grievance for encating justice in an unjust way. I'm also wondering why does a person choose to do this indiscriminately (were you wronged by someone specific, I would understand this method) over personal development of invoking and transmuting energy from cleaner sources.

I took advantage of what I saw as a teachable moment and I played the bad guy for rhetorical purposes. People here just aren't ready for it. All of my logic is sound though.

I don't personally do it indiscriminately. I was simply pointing out that none of you are going to bother imposing your will on someone who does so it's pointless to whine at them. They're free to do what they want with their magick will, and in an ignorant society that won't acknowledge the existence of magick, such people have free reign to do whatever they want without consequence. Regardless of how you think and feel about that, it's the reality right now. If anyone wants to hunt down witches in the future to impose their own rules for what one can and can't do astrally, they'll be free to do so. I would look down on them for it, but they'd be free to do so.

I'll explain my own reasons for utilizing energy ripping since you're curious. A few years ago someone pretending to be an energy healer ripped from my sacral chakra before I even knew what chakras were. I was ignorant. It was one of the most painful things I have ever felt, having their astral hand digging into that area. The pain at the time felt physical, and it affected my physical body. I still feel the wound sometimes. It was only recently after learning from the JoS that I realized exactly what happened to me. I was trying to figure out what he did for years. Who was I going to turn to in that situation to help me? Astral police like Stormblood suggested? All the new age shamans and whatnot are useless and don't know what they're doing. Nobody knew enough and was powerful enough to help me. I had to do power meditations and work to heal my soul for the past year just so I could be strong enough to get revenge for myself. I still can't astral project yet, and I don't know fully what I'm doing all the time, but I'm the only one who can help me. I tried my best to destroy that person who did that to me and take my soul energy back. I'll probably invest my time eventually in cursing him.

Not everyone's life is stable and normal. Some people go through dreadful experiences just to find the JoS. And there's the cruel irony that if I had found the JoS years and years earlier, I never would have found Tabby after going through what I did and been able to help her. So I can't even bring myself to wish that I had found the JoS first because I wouldn't have rescued her if I had. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. My life sucks. I've been abused and mentally tormented from the start, ever since I was 3 years old. Bad things just wouldn't stop happening to me. And most of the time I just rolled over for it because I chose to help others instead of myself. I couldn't bring myself to be a taker because I didn't want to hurt people or see bad things happen to them. I didn't want to manipulate people. Now that I'm finally choosing my own side instead of others, things are finally going my way in my life. Things are getting better and life is looking up. This past year was literally the best year of my life and the only happy one I have ever had. It was fun meditating with Tabby, and working on healing our souls, studying everything on the JoS over and over again, helping out on the forums in our own way and challenging perspectives, communing with the Gods, participating in group rituals, celebrating holy days, and more and more.
My moral code has changed drastically. What I used to refuse to do because it was unacceptable to me, I'm finding that it's the right thing to do in the right circumstances. I don't look at things in black and white. There's an infinite array of unique situations where different actions are required. I commit to my magick goals and perform actions that will bring me the best currently possible position in life with the best chances to survive, and I don't go further than I'm willing to go. For example, I couldn't bring myself to engage in human kidnapping. I draw my own lines and limits, what I'm willing to do and what I'm not willing to do even if it was to survive. And if people with a stronger moral compass or more strict set of virtues and principles decide they want to stop me from doing certain things, then they are welcome to try. I'll just keep working on myself and growing in spiritual power until I'm strong enough to take back my free will from them.

I live life on the edge. I always have because I've had to. If things were different, if I was living in a better society that gave a single shit whether I live or die, then I would probably be kinder and have a stronger set of virtues. But since I don't, and since I know what it's like to truly suffer and have no one there to reach their hand out and rescue you, I don't condemn people for their own personal magick practices. In this current society you either help yourself or you die. That's just how it is. No one cares about what happens to me, and if I died then it wouldn't make a single sound in the world. It wouldn't affect anyone, and they would just carry on in ignorance.

I don't have much money. I'm scraping by without a vehicle. What Dahaarkan described about what happens when their wealth is taken from their soul, that's exactly what happened to me. I lost everything, and I didn't have much to begin with. I'm trying to do right by my wife and take care of her, and get a better life for us. It's miserable right now. We don't always get three meals a day. It's gotten better since Satan entered our lives. Before I found Satan and dedicated my soul to him, I really thought it was it for me. I thought I wasn't going to live much longer. Each month got harder and harder to have enough food. My body was falling apart because of what happened to my soul. But since dedicating, I have observed miracle after miracle after miracle in my life. We still don't have food all the time, but it's a whole lot better than it was. We have many more personal belongings than before we dedicated, and money shows up in our life from time to time unexpectedly when before it never did.

It's much better. Not glamorous, but I no longer fear for my life to the extent that I did back then. I no longer feel the need to panic about finances. Satan has helped me and shown me how to help myself. He's the only one who ever helped me and truly cared about me, aside from Tabby. I was afraid when dedicating that he would reject me, but my creator chose to accept me and it made me so happy.

Given my situation currently even though it's going up now, I still don't have money to invest in bitcoin. I don't have that luxury. In my situation, taking wealth and energy from others to supplement my wealth spells seems like a great idea to me. If I was able to with such skill and efficiency and safety then I probably would make use of it because I want to survive and have a better life for me and my wife. I would choose myself to prosper over them. I don't think I will have to with my current progress and trajectory, but I don't condemn the practice on moral grounds. And that's coming from someone who knows how it feels. Getting revenge on the person who did it to me isn't because I disagree with his methods, it's because he fucked with me specifically and now I have power which continues to grow. To me, it's just a matter of he fucked with the wrong person. I'm both smart and tenacious, and he's unfortunate that he didn't realize that.

 

[Stormblood]

Ideals are for an ideal society which is not the one we live in right now. There is no SS Police force right now, and out of interest, what would their purpose be exactly as applied to this analogy? Investigating astral crimes? On whose dime, and for what greater purpose? What does it accomplish in the bigger picture of things? And how would their spiritual training be facilitated? Are you suggesting cops meditate for hours a day at the office learning to feel their astral bodies, learning siddhis, and practicing astral projection? All so that some victims don't have to do the work themselves? That sounds so unfeasible.

Why don't I just go for option 2 while foregoing steps 3-4, and instead drain everything Joe has and put it in a crystal or something so that he can't mess with me again. While I have him at my mercy I can also opt to do all sorts of other things to him as well. And better yet, if some of the stuff he stole from others looks appealing then perhaps I might choose to take it for myself. It's not like it belongs to them anymore.

You're advocating the same thing you claimed that Dahaarkan is, but you want the government to do it for you. You only have a problem apparently with people who do their own dirty work. All of that wealth redistribution that you love to talk about so much. What is the government going to do with it do you think? It's not like they have a list of names with specific quantities to return to people. People are inevitably going to have to build up their wealth again. That's just life. You get back up and you start again.

What constitutes thievery in your mind? Is it just the act of taking what belongs to someone? Is it doing it in a sneaky way without telling them? Is it also thievery if you conquer others and THEN take what they have? You know, like when one nation absorbs another after conquering them through war? Is land expansion considered land theft because the conquering army is taking the land from the native peoples?

If I beat someone up first before I take their belongings is it okay then? Let me know.

So you do lack reading comprehension skills too, uh? Or are you here on an agenda?

Dahaarkan is advocating stealing from someone who has done nothing to them and keeping everything to themselves, becoming the new thief.

I am advocating the wealth to be distributed to those it legitimately belongs to, which is something he could do as well but he doesn't upon his own admission.

At this point you are just here to troll, so I will not take you seriously. I will leave to NakedPluto the arguing with you two clowns, as my patience has now run thin.

It’s about time sometime told him something. He goes on every post just acting like a bot repeating the same things as a solution to every problem and he gets to be the special boy with moderator privileges because of it. Be the most borg like to become a “reputable” member.

If Henu is off-mod, evidently it's because he did something to deserve it, unlike your little gang here who come here just to waste everyone's time and never has helped one person on the forum, spiritual or otherwise. Being off-mod on some sub-fora has been introduced to make sure the helps arrive as fast as possible to people who need it. The help of knowledgeable with a proven track record of helping people in the forum.

But you are clearly here on another agenda, like in the post of the vikings where you distorted HP Hooded Cobra's words to make it sound like all rape and genocide during war is normal, should be tolerated and not punished, which is the opposite of what he stated.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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Also let me touch a point in this, as a lot of confusion stems from this misunderstanding. Nature is brutal. By nature we can say the material world with all construct and everything accounted for.

From the natural selection and realm of animals to the astronomical circumstances, everything is brutal and on a “survival” (this is misrepresented as such) mode. Keeping this in mind with the statement that “nothing is right and wrong, the Sun doesn’t care if you die, the fire has no hesitation to burn you” etc etc, meaning that “impersonality” doesn’t care about the “personality”, the laws of nature, cause and effect, you are right.

However, if you chose to observe this, do not commute the observation of the low existentialism, brutal impersonality, the non-organic unto the organic, the living human, the consciousness, the advancement without being able to discern the difference and the subject of discovery of itself.

People do not and are not able to be conscious of their existence as a living beings, without doing it in an abstract and very instinctual way. To transcend and have the revelation of it, higher spiritual opening must happen.

Everything that is impersonal is as it is, non organic and unliving is as it is. But for the same critique and observation to transform it upon the living, the consciousness, is a grave error of the mind that enables philosophy and confusion such as nihilism, Kafka-ism (jew) and other absurdities that gives birth to a damaged mind.

The objective does not negate the subjective, but every time the subjective negates the objective, it creates error and destruction for the subjective, and it is enabled unto chaotic nihilism. In the present time, the objective is mystified and all we have is subjective against the subjective, hence corruption and the fool leading the fool.

Stating the obvious, we are living and our consciousness is alive, being life itself, to attach the life unto the observation of it external to it, it negates itself. The living regulates the non-living while on the platform of it, being the manifestation and peak of the existence of all. So to adopt the non-living ethics and manifestation onto the living, without accounting for the life itself and its existence, being the difference, leads to non-existentialism.

Understanding our life and consciousness enables us to discover the superiority and higher function we can have, such as molding, manipulating, and changing reality. The nihilism and low existence adherence make the living to have no power to do so, being the same and attached to the qualities of the non-organic, no difference is made, no change, no movement.

All of this difference and power to overcome these are from Satan. This is why we have potentiality and are higher beings able to attain eternity. By being aware of it. By having the power to say that is wrong, that is right.

 

[Jrvan]

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The concept of right and wrong was never created by xianity, never possessed or attainment of their doctrines. This is like saying that the apple was created by some fictitious fairies, like, I don’t know this is so absurd.

What they did was use the nature of the human against the human, implicitly by the error that the mind can have when it is not sustained by the spiritual higher mind.

As I already said, right and wrong are values that come as a function of the process of understanding, the concepts in themselves being from the duality of all things that exist. Good and bad, right and wrong, happy and sad, one and zero.

Being it is either ignored on a conscious level, such as being against it on the mental process, it does not matter truly, as the mind by default has these valences of duality, and it uses these to open the line of thoughts implicit of their categorization.

This seed of corruption bears fruit such as everything and everyone is equal and other mind absurdities that are not true, and do not work as the living beings and nature of things are just like that, dual.

The enemy loves the concept of hive-mind, singularity. In this realm of discussion, you can see the above, such as right and wrong doesn’t exist, create the input needed for the mind to obey without discernment.

In the bible, when the human took the apple, it was said that it suddenly received the conscience, the discernment between right and wrong. Meaning from the sleeping/judge-less/borg they attained human quality and higher capacities from Satan, suddenly, as this implies and is in a direct relationship, they received free will. Free will comes with the freedom of seeing, analyzation, and judgment coupled with awareness and consciousness.
Right and wrong are values that which the mind uses to harbor and make decisions, to have free will.

Now I know what you are referring to about these, however, it has nothing to do with it. You are referring to the lack of awareness, critique and analyzation this right and wrong may ensue, but this is false. As I already said this is the background, the opened and the closer. This was used only as a closer by the enemy. This is wrong, don’t do that. But this quality of thought implies also provocative thought. It comes naturally the question Why, regardless.

So the premise is already defeated, that these values and concepts are limiting and slaving weapons of the mind. Instead, they are thought-provoking stimulants, and motives of analysis, in which knowledge can assert in the mind and have value of attention from the consciousness.

What is even funnier, is that this argument coupled with Jrvan arguments, are on the same structure of the sheep argument, reversed. It is the same effort when you tried to delimit the natural animal sheep from nature from the metaphorical use of it of the enemy. Try to think the same you did with the sheep, now with the above concepts.

If we want to complexify, we can say that causally determined wills are not free wills, and have a discussion upon theological corruptions upon the mind. But to what benefit?

The other things that you stated have nothing to do with this discussion of ethics and morality, rather are confused and correct observations attached to the wrong inputs and outputs. One can advance the rational mind and be extremely empathic at the same time, there’s nothing that would invalidate themselves of this kind. The rest may come in advancement, again nothing inherently wrong, but not right as well, only much needed advancement is due to form factual observations and not opinions before promoting them, especially to the youth.

Study Nietzsche, as he entered the realm of nihilism to provoke the thought and lethargy of the mind while giving anchors to overcome it, and told and structured doctorates around the philosophy of the higher mind and all of these transformative stages of the mind.

Jews preach to humans and convince them that having money is wrong and immoral, it's bad for them to have it. The humans buy it, and it becomes considered wrong to be wealthy. This now becomes their prescribed notions of right and wrong.

If eternal and immutable notions of right and wrong are a thing, and let's say they are, then visually they could be imagined as shapes in the physical realm that have their root in the higher dimensions. These shapes are all square and plainly understood intuitively like you say. But then astral forms (ideas) are created in the shape of circles or triangles, and placed in a mismatched way into the square shapes.

Perhaps in the past, spiritual leaders or sages who meditated on the Divine shapes could have prescribed the proper fitting square shapes to the minds of new souls and new lives. But now we don't remember such things, and society goes along with the mismatched shapes. So I maintain that SS should figure out for themselves what is right and wrong through their life experiences, intuition, and/or meditation since the shapes are corrupted in society, and we shouldn't have the ideas prescribed to us by corrupted convention and corrupted leaders. The best we can do in this corrupted place right now is to figure it out for ourselves and do the best we can in our own lives. You said we shouldn't degenerate to a chaotic wild jungle state, but it already has since long ago. This society is fundamentally no different than a jungle, and capitalism right now is the reason why some are able to live a little better than animals right now, but not everyone. Social ties are gone, racial identity is gone, it's dog eat dog, and if your support network disappears and if you can't replace it then you're fucked. Nobody knows you after that and they don't care if you exist or not.

Morality has already eroded. Humans adapt to the situations they have to survive in just like any creature. Thank goodness for medical pioneers who faced opposition, thank goodness for philosophers who did the best they could while plagued by xian thought, thank goodness for scientists, thank goodness for the renaissance. If not for those brave souls back then who challenged the established ideas of right and wrong, who dared to question it all and pave their own way, then we would still be living a filthy low life existence where my ideas would be king with nothing better to hope and dream for. But we still aren't out of the woods yet, and to pretend that we are already past the finish line in safety and liberty to pursue and adhere to higher ideals or eternal notions of right and wrong as you say, is just denying the current reality of things.

I say this unto all idealists... we're not there yet. We have to build it first. Until then it's going to be less than ideal, and even if it's wrong it can still be the right thing at the right time. Just do what you have to do until we reach the Golden Age. That's what I say.

 

[Jrvan]

Ideals are for an ideal society which is not the one we live in right now. There is no SS Police force right now, and out of interest, what would their purpose be exactly as applied to this analogy? Investigating astral crimes? On whose dime, and for what greater purpose? What does it accomplish in the bigger picture of things? And how would their spiritual training be facilitated? Are you suggesting cops meditate for hours a day at the office learning to feel their astral bodies, learning siddhis, and practicing astral projection? All so that some victims don't have to do the work themselves? That sounds so unfeasible.

Why don't I just go for option 2 while foregoing steps 3-4, and instead drain everything Joe has and put it in a crystal or something so that he can't mess with me again. While I have him at my mercy I can also opt to do all sorts of other things to him as well. And better yet, if some of the stuff he stole from others looks appealing then perhaps I might choose to take it for myself. It's not like it belongs to them anymore.

You're advocating the same thing you claimed that Dahaarkan is, but you want the government to do it for you. You only have a problem apparently with people who do their own dirty work. All of that wealth redistribution that you love to talk about so much. What is the government going to do with it do you think? It's not like they have a list of names with specific quantities to return to people. People are inevitably going to have to build up their wealth again. That's just life. You get back up and you start again.

What constitutes thievery in your mind? Is it just the act of taking what belongs to someone? Is it doing it in a sneaky way without telling them? Is it also thievery if you conquer others and THEN take what they have? You know, like when one nation absorbs another after conquering them through war? Is land expansion considered land theft because the conquering army is taking the land from the native peoples?

If I beat someone up first before I take their belongings is it okay then? Let me know.

So you do lack reading comprehension skills too, uh? Or are you here on an agenda?

Dahaarkan is advocating stealing from someone who has done nothing to them and keeping everything to themselves, becoming the new thief.

I am advocating the wealth to be distributed to those it legitimately belongs to, which is something he could do as well but he doesn't upon his own admission.

At this point you are just here to troll, so I will not take you seriously. I will leave to NakedPluto the arguing with you two clowns, as my patience has now run thin.

You're the one without reading comprehension and even self awareness. Many of the things you accuse others of are things you do yourself. Oh well. Run away, and maybe next time don't start shit if you can't finish it. You lost here.

 

[tabby]

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The concept of right and wrong was never created by xianity, never possessed or attainment of their doctrines. This is like saying that the apple was created by some fictitious fairies, like, I don’t know this is so absurd.

What they did was use the nature of the human against the human, implicitly by the error that the mind can have when it is not sustained by the spiritual higher mind.

As I already said, right and wrong are values that come as a function of the process of understanding, the concepts in themselves being from the duality of all things that exist. Good and bad, right and wrong, happy and sad, one and zero.

Being it is either ignored on a conscious level, such as being against it on the mental process, it does not matter truly, as the mind by default has these valences of duality, and it uses these to open the line of thoughts implicit of their categorization.

This seed of corruption bears fruit such as everything and everyone is equal and other mind absurdities that are not true, and do not work as the living beings and nature of things are just like that, dual.

The enemy loves the concept of hive-mind, singularity. In this realm of discussion, you can see the above, such as right and wrong doesn’t exist, create the input needed for the mind to obey without discernment.

In the bible, when the human took the apple, it was said that it suddenly received the conscience, the discernment between right and wrong. Meaning from the sleeping/judge-less/borg they attained human quality and higher capacities from Satan, suddenly, as this implies and is in a direct relationship, they received free will. Free will comes with the freedom of seeing, analyzation, and judgment coupled with awareness and consciousness.
Right and wrong are values that which the mind uses to harbor and make decisions, to have free will.

Now I know what you are referring to about these, however, it has nothing to do with it. You are referring to the lack of awareness, critique and analyzation this right and wrong may ensue, but this is false. As I already said this is the background, the opened and the closer. This was used only as a closer by the enemy. This is wrong, don’t do that. But this quality of thought implies also provocative thought. It comes naturally the question Why, regardless.

So the premise is already defeated, that these values and concepts are limiting and slaving weapons of the mind. Instead, they are thought-provoking stimulants, and motives of analysis, in which knowledge can assert in the mind and have value of attention from the consciousness.

What is even funnier, is that this argument coupled with Jrvan arguments, are on the same structure of the sheep argument, reversed. It is the same effort when you tried to delimit the natural animal sheep from nature from the metaphorical use of it of the enemy. Try to think the same you did with the sheep, now with the above concepts.

If we want to complexify, we can say that causally determined wills are not free wills, and have a discussion upon theological corruptions upon the mind. But to what benefit?

The other things that you stated have nothing to do with this discussion of ethics and morality, rather are confused and correct observations attached to the wrong inputs and outputs. One can advance the rational mind and be extremely empathic at the same time, there’s nothing that would invalidate themselves of this kind. The rest may come in advancement, again nothing inherently wrong, but not right as well, only much needed advancement is due to form factual observations and not opinions before promoting them, especially to the youth.

Study Nietzsche, as he entered the realm of nihilism to provoke the thought and lethargy of the mind while giving anchors to overcome it, and told and structured doctorates around the philosophy of the higher mind and all of these transformative stages of the mind.

That particular comment of mine was not meant to be coupled totally with jrvan's. It was a separate mental exercise relaying my personal experiences and thoughts on the concept, since I felt it fits with the subject at hand. We condemn those with a different opinion or way of doing things simply because we think our own are right. Energy ripping is deemed wrong and so anyone no matter the purpose of why and how they use it is bashed for it, despite the fact that this magickal tool itself isn't actually wrong to use. People just believe it is because of who they associate it with and lacking knowledge about energy ripping. If we put "right" and "wrong" above truth, then lies are allowed to fester and turn things into chaos when people decide what they believe is meant to be right and others wrong, and use that to judge people poorly or enforce harmful laws upon others. That's partially why this topic is such a negative one because people insist they are right and condemn Dahaarkan, and those like myself and jrvan for simply using the tools we are given to deal with certain people. After being in a few fights myself and unpleasant life experiences, the patterns are always the same - someone either on one side or both believes in totality that they are right and the other is wrong without regard for what is actual true, and for those who are quite horrible people use that concept to justify horrible actions such as brainwashing and manipulating children and young adults to do your dirty work for you.

Truth is solid and is unquestionable, because if you are not following truth you are following lies. But with right and wrong, anyone can decided what right and wrong is based on how things affect them and others. It's easily corrupted and twisted, but truth never changes and lies are always lies.

The concept works and is useful only if the society isn't out of alignment with truth. Otherwise people with a head on their shoulders have to go the extra mile to teach others what is or isn't acceptable to do, but that doesn't guarantee people will retain those teachings when placed among different groups of people. A child can grow up with upstanding morals and become corrupted just because they fell into the wrong crowd. That's what happens without truth and spirituality.

People who either need to or can believe there is inherent good and inherent evil, they are free to. I don't believe that completely getting rid of right and wrong for everyone is an appropriate stance to take because most can't live without other peoples rules guiding them. But lessen the judgment on those who know just a little too much of the darker side of life and have had to choose between being right and good, or surviving. I broke the concept for myself because it does me no good, I only want to know what the truth is and obey it, and decide my actions accordingly with the full weight of what those actions are ingrained into my awareness. I have no use for a concept that nearly killed me.

 

[tabby]

over personal development of invoking and transmuting energy from cleaner sources.

Leaving aside any moral argument, this is the most important point, it simply makes no sense, what literally goes on in the mind of an SS who prefers leeching instead of using the extremely powerful solar energy?

Well that’s the thing I tried to explain earlier but people either don’t care or don’t want to listen.

You guys assume this is the only thing one is using to advance but that is clearly not the case, and this argument is becoming annoyingly repetitive. The argument can be broken down into two things - 1) why not use meditation instead of witchcraft? and 2) blatant bias and ignorance. We all meditate and use the same methods you guys use to advance. We’re not stupid. You need power, meditation and a practiced hand to do ripping in the first place without harming yourself.

We have decided to take things in our own hands to deal with certain people who are withouts by using this form of magick, but for whatever reason you believe what you want to believe, which is that we’re all very very scummy bad people, instead of listening.

To assume that all we do is rip and take to advance highlights how little people understand not only what Dahaarkan, jrvan and I do with this method but also the tool itself. We are advancing with the same methods you guys are, and choose to use witchcraft. I fail to see what the problem with that is. You fear what you don’t understand so learn about it properly.

Dahaarkan said he’s making a post to address it so more will be explained on his part. As for jrvan and I, we’re getting back at the people who wronged us and taking back what belongs to us plus extra to deal some needed justice because believe me, no one is going to do it for us. I take what belongs to me and him, we don’t need the energy of monsters, so I direct that elsewhere.

We don’t touch other SS, and we don’t touch innocent people. There’s too much fear and bias clouding your judgements because psychic vampirism and energy ripping is associated with the enemy, so you look down on those who use the same tool even if it’s for different purposes. You condemn it period despite it being a magickal tool taught on JoS. It’s not something to fool around with and it is not a meditation for advancement. Dahaarkan has already explained it can supplement (IF you know what you’re doing), but will not be at all as powerful as a money working. I hope people can get over their dislike and understand that.

 

[Jrvan]

The bitter irony of fighting for ideals while being unable to live by those ideals in the present. If only we all had such peachy life circumstances. I'm glad most of you can embrace the ideals you are fighting for. Maybe I will have the option to one day. For now my circumstances confine me to strict limits which I have to work around in less ideal ways. Those limits are not only what I have shared so far, but I've told what I feel is safe to share. Judge me however you want, each of you individually, but I'll continue to fight for my existence in the best ways that I know how. Maybe if I was taught and nurtured better then things would be different. It's not like we can choose our parents, or even change them.

I just don't care to justify myself and my actions like I used to. I just want to live and make it to the future I'm dreaming of. A future where things are better. I don't want to die until I see it and taste it.

 

[Stormblood]

over personal development of invoking and transmuting energy from cleaner sources.

Leaving aside any moral argument, this is the most important point, it simply makes no sense, what literally goes on in the mind of an SS who prefers leeching instead of using the extremely powerful solar energy?

[...]

As for jrvan and I, we’re getting back at the people who wronged us and taking back what belongs to us plus extra to deal some needed justice because believe me, no one is going to do it for us. I take what belongs to me and him, we don’t need the energy of monsters, so I direct that elsewhere.

We don’t touch other SS, and we don’t touch innocent people. There’s too much fear and bias clouding your judgements because psychic vampirism and energy ripping is associated with the enemy, so you look down on those who use the same tool even if it’s for different purposes. You condemn it period despite it being a magickal tool taught on JoS. It’s not something to fool around with and it is not a meditation for advancement. Dahaarkan has already explained it can supplement (IF you know what you’re doing), but will not be at all as powerful as a money working. I hope people can get over their dislike and understand that.

if that's what you are doing (taking back what's yours and not what belongs to others), that's the same as one of the options I suggested earlier and not the same as what Dahaarkan stated. Dahaarkan stated he takes everything for himself. It is also different from what jrvan has been arguing against me (that theft isn't wrong).

As for ways of getting back what belongs to you, that is not what I have been interested in arguing when I mentioned the clown.

 

[Jrvan]

Leaving aside any moral argument, this is the most important point, it simply makes no sense, what literally goes on in the mind of an SS who prefers leeching instead of using the extremely powerful solar energy?

[...]

As for jrvan and I, we’re getting back at the people who wronged us and taking back what belongs to us plus extra to deal some needed justice because believe me, no one is going to do it for us. I take what belongs to me and him, we don’t need the energy of monsters, so I direct that elsewhere.

We don’t touch other SS, and we don’t touch innocent people. There’s too much fear and bias clouding your judgements because psychic vampirism and energy ripping is associated with the enemy, so you look down on those who use the same tool even if it’s for different purposes. You condemn it period despite it being a magickal tool taught on JoS. It’s not something to fool around with and it is not a meditation for advancement. Dahaarkan has already explained it can supplement (IF you know what you’re doing), but will not be at all as powerful as a money working. I hope people can get over their dislike and understand that.

if that's what you are doing (taking back what's yours and not what belongs to others), that's the same as one of the options I suggested earlier and not the same as what Dahaarkan stated. Dahaarkan stated he takes everything for himself. It is also different from what jrvan has been arguing against me (that theft isn't wrong).

As for ways of getting back what belongs to you, that is not what I have been interested in arguing when I mentioned the clown.

No, I'm arguing that theft isn't wrong in every single situation. You're a moral absolutist. You believe that no matter the reasons and circumstances, a specific recognizable act is always wrong no matter what, period. I taunted that thinking by asking you to think about the people who got their land taken by conquering armies of an expanding empire. If it technically falls under your definition of theft (you didn't answer the question so I don't know if it does) then you have to condemn all war campaigns because it's land theft and property theft, at least if you want to stay consistent.

Is preemptive murder wrong if you know through divination that they are planning to kill you? If the only thing that is going to stop them from carrying out the act of murdering you is their own body dropping to the ground then should you not take such an action? Of course you can't prove in a court that it was a self defense killing and not actually the legal definition of murder, so by legal standards it's still considered murder. At least you get to choose to die in your own way though by opting for capital punishment.

Think about things in a deeper way instead of just simplifying it all for convenience. That's lazy. Just because you want things to be simple doesn't mean they are simple.

 

[Dahaarkan]

So you do lack reading comprehension skills too, uh? Or are you here on an agenda?

Dahaarkan is advocating stealing from someone who has done nothing to them and keeping everything to themselves, becoming the new thief.

I am advocating the wealth to be distributed to those it legitimately belongs to, which is something he could do as well but he doesn't upon his own admission.

At this point you are just here to troll, so I will not take you seriously. I will leave to NakedPluto the arguing with you two clowns, as my patience has now run thin.

Yes stormblood, everybody who doesn't blindly bow to you, validate you and worship you, and has the AUDACITY of having their own thoughts, moral code and beliefs that differ from yours, have an agenda and ulterior motive.

Sorry to break it to you but this isn't a hivemind, and we're not obligated to agree with you or accept your words as if they came from Satan himself.


All you've done in this thread is made a complete clown of yourself, had a little piss on the floor and cried that everybody who doesn't agree with and obey you has an agenda. And it always comes down to boasting about your status on the forums, every time, it comes down to you proclaiming superiority over other Satanists, constantly crying about this.

Superiority is self evident and requires no verbal explanation. You've done good things and helped many, but evidently did so for rotten reasons. The intent is just to serve your own ego and build up imaginary status which you then weaponize against other Satanists to intimidate and dominate until they submit to your beliefs and rules on how they should live their lives.

I am immune to your insect-level attempts at degradation, but you will not selfishly demoralize other Satanists and devalue their contributions to the cause. And if we're talking of time wasting gangs, review your own activity here, you dishonest rat.

All I've done on this thread is defend myself from you and your little dipshit friends who want to play god on the forums and talk down to other members. I didn't come after any of you, I simply replied to you all and defended myself, which you're not used to so you have these little breakdowns and delusional rants.

And you hate me because I'm not intimidated by your little mafia and I'm not afraid to defend myself from your pathetic desperate attacks. And yes, after I exposed to the entire forums how dishonest and delusional you actually are, you just scurry away saying you have no more patience.

And you expect me to believe you've done any growth over the years. You've only degraded. You and this little mafia you're a part of have had it your way for too long and it shows, you're too comfortable being arrogant, rude and disrespectful to other people because they never talk back. Well I've just proved to everybody that they don't have to take this kind of abuse from you and your friends.

You have nothing left. So now you're weaponizing the trust that HC put in you, and the beautiful things you've accomplished, in a childish, final desperate attempt to appear superior in this pointless argument which YOU STARTED.

You were given a privilege to better serve Satan, not to serve your egos and degrade other people and devalue their contributions. You were trusted and given this tool to better serve Satan, and what you choose to do with it is beat your chest like an ape and proclaim superiority over your fellow Satanists, and weaponize it to bully and harass them into submitting to your beliefs and desires.

You disgust me. That is all. Now scurry away like the rat you are.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

You are arguing on something that has been the object of arguing for all philosophers in the past as it were, and in the end of the day, people apply what they see fit in their own level of advancement, power and judgement.

From an objective standpoint, nobody can really be "limited" in a physical or mental way from doing something. That's nature.

The only way to accurately see and justify taking or not taking action, comes from evidence, necessity, true sight [developed in late stages of meditation etc], and one can still choose how they want to behave. There is no given imposition on how you should behave, but how you behave comes with outcomes for good or bad.

Between preaching a solution and what is right and moral, and applied morality [the thing that can truly be used in a situation], there is always the gap of life, spirituality, awareness etc. Since not everyone is in the same situation, there is no singular way to enforce a view of judgement of things. People have to be partakers of a similar consciousness in the very least for this to occur.

It is pointless to prolong this argument to the point of character attacks between one another as the above has been the final objective of philosophy, and extends beyond merely written situations.

Between the two pillars of the soul, one of which is about judgement and another is about forgiveness or kindness, the balance is instated only when the higher pillar of the soul [the 3rd eye] is properly activated. In this case, judgement becomes an ability of a person, and from there on, one can decide their route of action based on their power and capacity.

There should be not these serious arguments between Spiritual Satanists over these subjects unless what is said extremely violates everything the JoS says. The JoS doesn't tell you to not harm anyone, it tells you to have responsibility for the responsible and to try to be justice oriented in judgement.

Also the first immediate question should be what one espouses for other SS, which are valuable beings that try to advance. In this case, the approach of most matters cannot be the ultimate same between those inside and those without.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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You are arguing that because you where programmed and abused by the doctrines of the enemy, by the process of programming upon the mind, you now deny the process itself, and try to erase it, being the problem, and also deny the mind, being the problem, associating the problems by the enemy with the nature itself, the mechanism of the mind, the process of the brain. On analogy, because you ate a bad apple and you became ill, next time you’ll never eat anymore, because one time it made you ill by the process of eating. The mind in an instrument, not a cause in itself.
The fact that something can be manipulated to bear positive fruits and at the same time negative fruits, doesn’t mean it is not working correctly. You attribute the conclusions to the wrong ends, hence the confusion and incapacity to correct these.

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All of this arguing on you don’t know how it is on the dark side and other dramatic theories is pointless to me and the subject at hand. I had moments in life with the target and mission to press the trigger, I had a lot of lives in my hand on decisions of great consequences, other hidden, choices of death and life, tribulations and obstacles most would never imagine, and everything sat upon these discussions that I gave platform now to converse, yet ignored by the comfort of “my experience” is higher/lower than yours, without giving response to the actual arguments that are guides and basis for everything.

I did not seek to correct the source of these, aka yourselves, neither condemn or pinpoint on the premise of correction, but on the opposite by discussing to emphasize the future of these and give perspective and depth in order for better information and guidance in these, in which the actual help would arrive.

Draining for the above purpose is not possible this way, promoted it as doing something else than what actually happens, with no actual use of real growth. I refuse to virtue signal things, but it seems these are requested even if the grosser denying of this is taking place. Physic vampirism has other uses than draining, draining being the modality of it’s accomplishment. It is overly misrepresented, being just a simple aspect of the manipulation and a direction. Nothing else. All of this mystifying and sympathy comes from idolatry, and the tendency to sympathize with cult ideologies.

The whole argument of everything that was presented to me, was a defense of the self, and not the process of thought, the effects, and the consequences, things that are necessary for judgment ultimately for this purpose, but only a reactive opinion. All is fine, but this concludes confusion, and no real value to be presented neither.

Because everything came to name-calling and another show for the delight of the jew, even with the above tries to attempt an elaborate discussion, I will have to cease these, as from a positive input it slowly turns in decaying reactions which I will not entertain. I was hoping for an ethical discussion and argumentation, as a transformative process from the “vampirism and you no you” without any basis, it seems it didn’t work. Academic argumentation isn't idealistic.

From my part, all can do what they want, and truly no one stopped you. The fact that it is argued that someone has a right to react and give opinion on this, is absurd, more so that it is associated with the status on the forum. What? I am disappointed that people do not want to be told what the negatives and future of actions are, just like xians, and revolt upon input regardless of it’s intensity. Might as well shut the fuck up and not talk about it since talking about it is a problem by the other's inputs.

The aim of this forum is to discuss, argument and propose better ideals and realities unto people, not to turn everything in personal things. From the personal we had a chance to go into the impersonal and discuss these philosophies.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I do not want to misrepresent what you were saying. But in that other topic a few weeks ago, what you were advocating was for rich or successful people who own large houses, or who own multiple houses, to have their houses taken away from them. Because if they were able to make that much money, you assume it must have been in some kind of an immoral way that had some negative effects on other people. Or even just for the reason that it is "unfair" for some people to have a big house while other people have no house.


You advocated that the person and their family should be forcibly removed from their home or homes, so that other people who have less money can be moved into those homes. And the family who it was taken from, they will be put into a very small house because that's all they need. And you seriously and honestly meant this when you were saying it.


So where does this fit with the pattern of justice you are talking about in this topic? Forcefully stealing a home away from an innocent family, putting other people into that home. And the people moving in were never harmed by the person who actually owned the house.

 

[Stormblood]

No, I'm arguing that theft isn't wrong in every single situation. You're a moral absolutist

So, when I told you that you can take action against someone who robbed you, what was I saying exactly, in your opinion?

Here's the reference, so you can re-read it:

[...]
Option 3:

:arrow: All wronged families take action together against Joe.
:arrow: All wronged families recover what it's owed to them, and deal with Joe within the limits of the law.
[...]

Also, do you know what theft means?

Basic definition of theft.

(1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly.

Source: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/crossheading/definition-of-theft

I highlighted some words for you.

In the case of Joe, what you are taking to him does not belonging to him but to the 'wronged families' I mentioned. Therefore, taking back what belongs to you is not theft.

In the case of Bob, he is not taking back what belongs to him but taking what belongs to the wronged families. So, we have two thieves in that circumstance. Bob and Joe.

What I asked you earlier is if it is correct for Bob to have what belongs to you and other wronged families, and NOT give it back to all the wronged.

 

[Stormblood]

.......

Correct me if I'm wrong, I do not want to misrepresent what you were saying. But in that other topic a few weeks ago, what you were advocating was for rich or successful people who own large houses, or who own multiple houses, to have their houses taken away from them. Because if they were able to make that much money, you assume it must have been in some kind of an immoral way that had some negative effects on other people. Or even just for the reason that it is "unfair" for some people to have a big house while other people have no house.


You advocated that the person and their family should be forcibly removed from their home or homes, so that other people who have less money can be moved into those homes. And the family who it was taken from, they will be put into a very small house because that's all they need. And you seriously and honestly meant this when you were saying it.


So where does this fit with the pattern of justice you are talking about in this topic? Forcefully stealing a home away from an innocent family, putting other people into that home. And the people moving in were never harmed by the person who actually owned the house.

What I can say is: instead of paraphrasing, quote the actual bits of text that you are mentioning, and we can discuss them.

Here is what I remember saying:
:arrow: that people charging extortionate prices for housing are criminals, because they are stealing the hard-earned of their tenants, and as such should be treated
:arrow: that the house market has not kept in line with wages but grown disproportionately creating a dystopic scenario where most people have to slave away for decades just to own a house (usually, first going through the renting stage).

Instead of going through the 'what I remember' and the 'what you remember' stage, let's take the actual statements and discuss them.

 

[Jrvan]

No, I'm arguing that theft isn't wrong in every single situation. You're a moral absolutist

So, when I told you that you can take action against someone who robbed you, what was I saying exactly, in your opinion?

Here's the reference, so you can re-read it:

[...]
Option 3:

:arrow: All wronged families take action together against Joe.
:arrow: All wronged families recover what it's owed to them, and deal with Joe within the limits of the law.
[...]

Also, do you know what theft means?

Basic definition of theft.

(1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly.

Source: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/crossheading/definition-of-theft

I highlighted some words for you.

In the case of Joe, what you are taking to him does not belonging to him but to the 'wronged families' I mentioned. Therefore, taking back what belongs to you is not theft.

In the case of Bob, he is not taking back what belongs to him but taking what belongs to the wronged families. So, we have two thieves in that circumstance. Bob and Joe.

What I asked you earlier is if it is correct for Bob to have what belongs to you and other wronged families, and NOT give it back to all the wronged.

Look at all your newfound patience. Where did that come from?

What your question amounts to is this: if I find someone's wallet, do I personally think it's good form to keep the wallet's contents for myself. My personal answer is yes, and I acknowledge many feel differently and would choose to seek out the wallet's former owner to return it to them. You're insisting that I should give the wallet with its contents back instead of keeping it for myself, and that if I don't then I'm a criminal. Well maybe I don't want to give it back.

Are treasure hunters wrong for taking the buried hoard of a pirate for themselves upon discovery? Should they go hunt down the soul of the pirate in its next body just because the material possessions were still belonging to that soul? How far do you want to take this?

I can think of many clever examples that you refuse to imagine and entertain. You just say "stealing is always wrong, period." You still won't clarify if it's considered theft if you dominate the person first like through war. You danced around that by throwing a google definition in my face without actually answering the question. That's sneaky, and I know why you did it. It's because you understand the implication if you answer my straightforward question.

 

[tabby]

...

if that's what you are doing (taking back what's yours and not what belongs to others), that's the same as one of the options I suggested earlier and not the same as what Dahaarkan stated. Dahaarkan stated he takes everything for himself. It is also different from what jrvan has been arguing against me (that theft isn't wrong).

As for ways of getting back what belongs to you, that is not what I have been interested in arguing when I mentioned the clown.

I have no time on my hands or the strength to spend on targets like Dahaarkan chooses. If I could, I'd go after sorry bastards who exploit others too, especially children and teens. Justice doesn't come freely just because you believe what someone else did to you or others is wrong and they should be punished. Justice comes because you take action to make it happen, and sadly, there's not enough of that happening. Many people go without justice their whole lives because not enough people give a damn or they're not strong enough to get it themselves. Even if you scream at someone to help you, most turn a blind eye, and you're left in pain and with less than you had before.

Would you consider stealing from the enemy wrong? Or only other gentiles, even if those gentiles are stealing and ruining the lives of others? Theft on an innocent I would understand the complaint, but theft on someone who is exploiting others as Dahaarkan has told he chooses to do, is targeting someone who isn't innocent. Explain a method that would work for how you would plan to hand back energy to the ones it was stolen from when you don't even know specifically who the energy was stolen from in the first place? It could be hundreds of people everywhere, what resources do we have right now to help everyone else like that?

If I took what had been stolen from others by the monsters who stole from me and gave it back to those people, to the kids who have no idea what's been done to them... nothing would change, because that energy would just go right back to the monsters. So there's no point, I'd be wasting my time. If I took it and kept if for myself, a wise action would be to use it in a fashion that will get me to a point that one day I can stop the cycle of ruin and misery. I can take down the monsters and stop the cycle at the source. Then maybe those kids can live a semi-normal life, maybe they'll even find their way here one day and heal themselves. That energy won't get stolen again because it is protected by someone who has protection, and thus keeps it out of the hands of corrupted people. If you can't stop those who are corrupt, helping the lowest rank of withouts won't get you or them anywhere by just handing their stuff back.

The reason I don't take others energies that are inside the monsters (to keep or return) is because I have no clue what I'm looking for. The amount of people they stole from is too many to try find all of them and match their energies, the effort and time is not worth it and I can't help them all. Believe me, I've tried. I can only touch what I know is mine and jrvan's because I know what that energy feels like and can target it without getting messy. For all I know there was some of those kids energy in the stuff I ripped from the crazies and sent away, but I don't have the time to waste on thoughts like that. If I can't take them out then they won't stop because nothing is stopping them, and the few that know the truth of those people are living with entities still inside themselves and can't help the others even if they could. We're the only ones lucky enough to find Satan and do something about it.

If the energy was stolen from withouts in the first place, they do not have the power to protect what is theirs, and if handed back what belongs to them by us they are inevitably going to lose it all over again and cycle repeats. The ones who are stealing are people who don't give a damn if we are left starving on the streets, they wish for our suffering so they can rise to full control over everyone. Dahaarkan doesn't need me to have his back on this, his spine is strong and his head is clear. He goes after exploiters - I can admire that. He's not your Robbin Hood, what does it matter? Energy spent into advancing so we can change the climate from the top down is better than wasting energy picking up after others who won't pick up after themselves. He's going for the head of the problem not the tail.

If you don't want to deal justice by your own hands that's fine. You're free to tackle whichever part of the problem suits you and your abilities. But we are not forbidden from doing our own work and gaining justice ourselves using the tools that are taught in ways that we decide.

I have a suggestion and it's rather obvious and simple. Go to the people who are being stolen from and educate them on how to defend, stand up for, and protect themselves. Teach them spirituality and enlighten them as much as possible, guide them here to Satan and let them gain their own strength. The sooner we can get individuals to be advanced enough on their own, the sooner those resources can be put into advancing society as a whole and fixing the mess of the enemy. This isn't much different from handing citizens a gun and training them to use it should they need it so that the big boys can take care of the nastier business without stretching their attention and resources thin.

Right now your proposed system doesn't exist and probably won't exist for maybe a few hundred years. This is what we have right now, and we are free to makes these choices. The legal system as it stands is riddled with corruption and no one can provide evidence for spiritual crimes. Those who deserve punishment are walking away with little more than a slap on the wrist while those trying to get by are condemned. If we're too afraid to use our own tools to get shit done, nothing is going to move far enough to even have a perfect system created anyway.

Dahaarkan has chosen his methods, we've chosen ours, you have chosen yours. Condemning people over this is pointless.

 

[Halimut]

Okay.

I have it.

I have the ultimate method.

And, ironically, it is something I have always had and something I have always done instinctively- just not applied specifically to humans.

We already have within us the most effective energy absorption system imaginable. It is so much a part of us that we even have physical corresponding organs to this energy system.

Ever since I began dreaming consciously, I’ve done this. If an entity tried to steal my lifeforce or attack me, I didn’t sit and ponder about the philosophical implications of the interaction. I didn’t go into a meditation and wish love upon it. I didn’t visualize it surrounded by white light and pray to some outside entity for protection.

What did I do?

I grabbed the fucking thing, shoved it in my mouth and started chewing.

Crunch, crunch, crunch.

GULP.

Done.

No fear, no hesitation, no remorse.

It’s the ultimate act of domination and ‘fuck-you’ to an invading presence. You eat and digest the damn thing.

Don’t care about toxins, don’t care about dirty or low level energies. The digestive system takes care of all that. It’s all about consuming the very essence of your enemy to absolute completion.

Now, on this thread a couple less experienced members asked me earlier: “why bother getting energy from low level NPCs when you have much higher sources of clean energy?”

The answer is simple: refinement.

The same way we eat a fruit that has transformed sunlight into sugar instead of staring into the sun directly.

The same way we eat a ribeye steak instead of chewing on grass for weeks.

Refinement. Letting a lower level lifeform do the refinement so higher level Apex predator can come in and benefit from the resources. And that Apex predator is Me.

All I have to do is start hunting down the right dreamers and literally devour them. Or at least take a huge fucking bite.

Perhaps this is the true origin of the myth of the Vampire- not to sustain off physical blood but spiritual lifeforce right from the throat chakra.

As to whether I can consume and digest an entire human dreamer is yet to be determined. But you gotta start somewhere.

Bon appetit.

 

[Halimut]

Okay.

I have it.

I have the ultimate method.

And, ironically, it is something I have always had and something I have always done instinctively- just not applied specifically to humans.

We already have within us the most effective energy absorption system imaginable. It is so much a part of us that we even have physical corresponding organs to this energy system.

Ever since I began dreaming consciously, I’ve done this. If an entity tried to steal my lifeforce or attack me, I didn’t sit and ponder about the philosophical implications of the interaction. I didn’t go into a meditation and wish love upon it. I didn’t visualize it surrounded by white light and pray to some outside entity for protection.

What did I do?

I grabbed the fucking thing, shoved it in my mouth and started chewing.

Crunch, crunch, crunch.

GULP.

Done.

No fear, no hesitation, no remorse.

It’s the ultimate act of domination and ‘fuck-you’ to an invading presence. You eat and digest the damn thing.

Don’t care about toxins, don’t care about dirty or low level energies. The digestive system takes care of all that. It’s all about consuming the very essence of your enemy to absolute completion.

Now, on this thread a couple less experienced members asked me earlier: “why bother getting energy from low level NPCs when you have much higher sources of clean energy?”

The answer is simple: refinement.

The same way we eat a fruit that has transformed sunlight into sugar instead of staring into the sun directly.

The same way we eat a ribeye steak instead of chewing on grass for weeks.

Refinement. Letting a lower level lifeform do the refinement so higher level Apex predator can come in and benefit from the resources. And that Apex predator is Me.

All I have to do is start hunting down the right dreamers and literally devour them. Or at least take a huge fucking bite.

Perhaps this is the true origin of the myth of the Vampire- not to sustain off physical blood but spiritual lifeforce right from the throat chakra.

As to whether I can consume and digest an entire human dreamer is yet to be determined. But you gotta start somewhere.

Bon appetit.

 

[Jack]

I on the contrary would prefer to remain poor

Jackie goy go on the JoS forums and use the respect and reputation you've gained over the years to preach that poverty is a virtue! Condemn all goyim who do what they can to push themselves out of poverty!

You actually go as far as to preach xian morality in the JOY OF SATAN forums just to spite me personally. Keep going jack, you're doing a great job and not at all making a clown out of yourself. Honk honk

What are you talking about. I specifically said that if it was not through a legitimate method of income ,I would not use sniveling rat like behavior to become rich. It's not that hard when you're tapped in.

 

[Jack]

People here just don't like sniveling rat like behavior.

You hate sniveling rat behavior so much that you all start crying and condemning me when I punish people for being sniveling rats.

No, it's not that you simply dislike me noooo! First it was "jewish". Then it was "not the Satanic way" or some kind of "sin". Then someone mentioned JoS teaches energy ripping and now it's none of that.

Then it became distasteful, but it's also justice so it's not that either. Now apparently destroying sniveling rats who exploit innocent people, is sniveling rat behavior, even though it's taught by JoS in some capacity. No, really there's a lot of logic and reason behind all these arguments, and all of this is not at all simply you people complaining for the sake of complaining because you don't like me personally.

Okay Robin Hood. I believe your story. Lol

 

[Blackdragon666]

Cool story Bro.

Is cleaning, purification and applying empowerment to excel your competition too vanilla for you...

I have to wonder, and not a personal criticism of you individually because you're not the only one. But do you truly believe that these vague, meaningless 1-2 phrase posts are of any use to anybody?

What did you explain, what did you convey, what did you clear up with this post. Just snarky bait. It's like you have to answer every topic, even when you don't have an answer or any insight to give, but you absolutely MUST post something. So since you have nothing of value to contribute to the conversation, you just make a lazy, snarky remark and leave.

And pose as if you've just addressed every flaw in this person's thoughts and provided some spectacular fire of knowledge in your 10 word post. Thank you for dropping in to bless us with your incredibly insightful post, now run along and let the grown men talk.

I think this was a bit unnecessary as Henu does a lot of important work. You don't have to write endless paragraphs to be significant. I wish I had enough time to be that available on the forums and help as he does (hopefully I will soon).

I have skimmed through the thread and I understand the topic in general. As long as you're not developing a parasitic mindset or hurting an innocent, feel free to utilize the energy ripping tool as you please. I can understand why people would associate one who does it a lot with being parasitic.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I think this was a bit unnecessary as Henu does a lot of important work. You don't have to write endless paragraphs to be significant. I wish I had enough time to be that available on the forums and help as he does (hopefully I will soon).

Because I gave him feedback doesn't mean I'm devaluing anything he does. He is not perfect and should not be kept in a bubble and made to believe he can do no wrong. His post was useless and a regurgitation of what others have repeatedly said already, what's worse is how it is put together is baity and snarky, this kind of behavior should be beneath him, and he's better than that.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Don’t you think it’s hypocritical to literally be a landlord yourself but complain about others earning wealth illegitimately and exploiting others? If anything you are the one that should be stolen from. You live off of people that would have no choice than to be on the street or pay your death-pledge every month. Landlords don’t produce anything and steal housing so by default your wealth is illegitimate.

You’re basically just overcompensating and showing how much of a good guy robinhood hero you are to everyone else because you are wealthy by the same means as those you are stealing from and you wish to deflect that.

 

[Jrvan]

--

You are arguing that because you where programmed and abused by the doctrines of the enemy, by the process of programming upon the mind, you now deny the process itself, and try to erase it, being the problem, and also deny the mind, being the problem, associating the problems by the enemy with the nature itself, the mechanism of the mind, the process of the brain. On analogy, because you ate a bad apple and you became ill, next time you’ll never eat anymore, because one time it made you ill by the process of eating. The mind in an instrument, not a cause in itself.
The fact that something can be manipulated to bear positive fruits and at the same time negative fruits, doesn’t mean it is not working correctly. You attribute the conclusions to the wrong ends, hence the confusion and incapacity to correct these.

---------------

All of this arguing on you don’t know how it is on the dark side and other dramatic theories is pointless to me and the subject at hand. I had moments in life with the target and mission to press the trigger, I had a lot of lives in my hand on decisions of great consequences, other hidden, choices of death and life, tribulations and obstacles most would never imagine, and everything sat upon these discussions that I gave platform now to converse, yet ignored by the comfort of “my experience” is higher/lower than yours, without giving response to the actual arguments that are guides and basis for everything.

I did not seek to correct the source of these, aka yourselves, neither condemn or pinpoint on the premise of correction, but on the opposite by discussing to emphasize the future of these and give perspective and depth in order for better information and guidance in these, in which the actual help would arrive.

Draining for the above purpose is not possible this way, promoted it as doing something else than what actually happens, with no actual use of real growth. I refuse to virtue signal things, but it seems these are requested even if the grosser denying of this is taking place. Physic vampirism has other uses than draining, draining being the modality of it’s accomplishment. It is overly misrepresented, being just a simple aspect of the manipulation and a direction. Nothing else. All of this mystifying and sympathy comes from idolatry, and the tendency to sympathize with cult ideologies.

The whole argument of everything that was presented to me, was a defense of the self, and not the process of thought, the effects, and the consequences, things that are necessary for judgment ultimately for this purpose, but only a reactive opinion. All is fine, but this concludes confusion, and no real value to be presented neither.

Because everything came to name-calling and another show for the delight of the jew, even with the above tries to attempt an elaborate discussion, I will have to cease these, as from a positive input it slowly turns in decaying reactions which I will not entertain. I was hoping for an ethical discussion and argumentation, as a transformative process from the “vampirism and you no you” without any basis, it seems it didn’t work. Academic argumentation isn't idealistic.

From my part, all can do what they want, and truly no one stopped you. The fact that it is argued that someone has a right to react and give opinion on this, is absurd, more so that it is associated with the status on the forum. What? I am disappointed that people do not want to be told what the negatives and future of actions are, just like xians, and revolt upon input regardless of it’s intensity. Might as well shut the fuck up and not talk about it since talking about it is a problem by the other's inputs.

The aim of this forum is to discuss, argument and propose better ideals and realities unto people, not to turn everything in personal things. From the personal we had a chance to go into the impersonal and discuss these philosophies.

I haven't studied philosophy in a formal setting. I may not be the intellectual debater of the quality you hope for. As you can see, the best I could do was reiterate my points and then writing it all off by concluding basically "time and place." You weren't able to attract any others more learned and of a higher caliber to participate in this discussion with you, so unfortunately I'm the only one available. I most likely can't give you a higher level intellectual discussion right now because it's beyond my current ability and knowledge.

That being said... I'll give it one more go to see what you think.

Have you ever asked someone why they did something and they replied, "Because it's the right thing to do."
That sort of thing angers me. It's robotic and careless. There's no reflection or analysis or more complex decision making process for them. It's just a robotic binary classification of "right" and "wrong." It's an indifference and refusal to truly participate in life and relationships. They didn't do it because they wanted to, or because they liked me or cared about me, or for any variety of reasons that is all their own. It's not from their own desire to commit such an act. What I hear when someone says that to me is this: "I didn't want to do it, but I believe I have to because others said so." How is that not a leash?

People need their own reasons for doing things and to act from their own desire. That's what I believe. There's things I refrain from doing such as working for a logging company. It's not because I think it's wrong to cut all the trees down and ruin the ecosystems and further ruin the beauty of the planet, even though those are valid reasons if one actually gets that far in thinking about it rather than just "it's wrong and I don't know why, but it just is." But my actual reason for refraining is because I love this planet and I want to protect it, and I won't participate in its destruction as far as I'm able to avoid it. It's personal desire. I don't care if it's right or wrong. Someone could explain to me that it's "wrong" to want to protect the planet, and even if they were hypothetically correct, I wouldn't care and I would continue to choose my actions in favor of the planet.

I don't care if humans need wood. I don't care if countless of them would die without it as a resource. Right now they're taking too much from my perspective, and it's hurting the planet I love. If a bunch of humans had to die off for the planet to survive then I would choose the planet while forsaking the humans. Is that evil? I don't really care if it is.

 

[tabby]

--

You are arguing that because you where programmed and abused by the doctrines of the enemy, by the process of programming upon the mind, you now deny the process itself, and try to erase it, being the problem, and also deny the mind, being the problem, associating the problems by the enemy with the nature itself, the mechanism of the mind, the process of the brain. On analogy, because you ate a bad apple and you became ill, next time you’ll never eat anymore, because one time it made you ill by the process of eating. The mind in an instrument, not a cause in itself.
The fact that something can be manipulated to bear positive fruits and at the same time negative fruits, doesn’t mean it is not working correctly. You attribute the conclusions to the wrong ends, hence the confusion and incapacity to correct these.

---------------

All of this arguing on you don’t know how it is on the dark side and other dramatic theories is pointless to me and the subject at hand. I had moments in life with the target and mission to press the trigger, I had a lot of lives in my hand on decisions of great consequences, other hidden, choices of death and life, tribulations and obstacles most would never imagine, and everything sat upon these discussions that I gave platform now to converse, yet ignored by the comfort of “my experience” is higher/lower than yours, without giving response to the actual arguments that are guides and basis for everything.

I did not seek to correct the source of these, aka yourselves, neither condemn or pinpoint on the premise of correction, but on the opposite by discussing to emphasize the future of these and give perspective and depth in order for better information and guidance in these, in which the actual help would arrive.

Draining for the above purpose is not possible this way, promoted it as doing something else than what actually happens, with no actual use of real growth. I refuse to virtue signal things, but it seems these are requested even if the grosser denying of this is taking place. Physic vampirism has other uses than draining, draining being the modality of it’s accomplishment. It is overly misrepresented, being just a simple aspect of the manipulation and a direction. Nothing else. All of this mystifying and sympathy comes from idolatry, and the tendency to sympathize with cult ideologies.

The whole argument of everything that was presented to me, was a defense of the self, and not the process of thought, the effects, and the consequences, things that are necessary for judgment ultimately for this purpose, but only a reactive opinion. All is fine, but this concludes confusion, and no real value to be presented neither.

Because everything came to name-calling and another show for the delight of the jew, even with the above tries to attempt an elaborate discussion, I will have to cease these, as from a positive input it slowly turns in decaying reactions which I will not entertain. I was hoping for an ethical discussion and argumentation, as a transformative process from the “vampirism and you no you” without any basis, it seems it didn’t work. Academic argumentation isn't idealistic.

From my part, all can do what they want, and truly no one stopped you. The fact that it is argued that someone has a right to react and give opinion on this, is absurd, more so that it is associated with the status on the forum. What? I am disappointed that people do not want to be told what the negatives and future of actions are, just like xians, and revolt upon input regardless of it’s intensity. Might as well shut the fuck up and not talk about it since talking about it is a problem by the other's inputs.

The aim of this forum is to discuss, argument and propose better ideals and realities unto people, not to turn everything in personal things. From the personal we had a chance to go into the impersonal and discuss these philosophies.

Your comments had me blow a mental fuse for a bit, honestly. But re-reading a few times, I think I get most of it now enough to at least be able to make a response. It's tricky to fully understand what you're saying with how you present your words, so I answered the only way I felt I could at the time with the current tension of the thread. I'm not one for philosophy, I enjoy reading others discussions of it but I struggle to talk about such topics myself, though I give it a shot even though I feel well out of my league. Uncomfortable situations are helpful learning experiences anyway, imo.

Right and wrong, it's not something that has ever felt... well, right, in that no one's ideas of what that is made any sense. Morals have made little sense either over the years. There was a time my morals were too ridged and it caused me major problems. Then too loose and that screwed me over as well. The middle ground is about as confusing as the other two. It all has one thing in common, it's always aligned to what other people says is right and wrong, good and evil, usually twisted people. Can a concept really be a good one if it’s never tailored properly to anyone expect the 1% for their own sick benefit? Would we have ever found Father Satan if we only ever listened to what others say is good and evil?

Once I was so caught up in being right that I never listened to what I could learn and grow, people have been hurt just because I wanted to be right, believed I was right, and hated being wrong. Even if you are right, it becomes too much of a focus and too important that you squabble pointlessly and to no end just to have your way and make the other person see that they're wrong. We fear being wrong and obsess over being right because if we do wrong we’re punished - but that punishment can be unjust if what someone else decides is wrong isn’t aligned with the reality of things.

Morals and right/wrong, the ones created for me backfired in sometimes incredibly unpleasant ways. So you're right in that way, others teachings have shaped this letting go of right and wrong because it hasn't ever meant anything good. So when I saw others bashing Dahaarkan claiming him to be bad and wrong when he isn't and his actions are fine, I began to really question what the heck is the point of such a concept that's mostly used to hurt people, manipulate them, or hold them back unnecessarily instead of helping them be well-rounded individuals in life. When did being right become more important than following truth? Are we incapable of shedding light on reality without barking that I’m right/he’s wrong be damned? If anything, I’m seeking an answer that is being pretty elusive to me right now, and until then, I scrapped the concept as it currently stands and tailoring one for myself.

Aligning "right" with truth, and aligning wrong with what is inappropriate, unacceptable, or intolerable based on each individual situation, would prevent this kind of shaming and shit shows where the only thing that matters is just being right. I hope I'm making sense.

I went back over my other comment and yeah, there's really no need for me to have written that last paragraph. Maybe I shouldn't have jumped in like that and made even the first response to you out of the blue - impulsive habit, but frankly, I wanted to understand this more and others views of it. I’m just not good at executing a high quality discussion. You're right that what I'd hoped was something of a decent contribution of thought divulged into more personal and emotional expression. So excuse me for bringing it too much to the public and being a bit of an oddball with the tension getting to my head.

At least I can thank you for helping to act as a trigger to further my understanding that part of the emotional issues and social problems stems from a chakra imbalance - probably a result of what happened by the people who hurt me. Jrvan is helping me to take care of it now.

 

[Jrvan]

Okay.

I have it.

I have the ultimate method.

And, ironically, it is something I have always had and something I have always done instinctively- just not applied specifically to humans.

We already have within us the most effective energy absorption system imaginable. It is so much a part of us that we even have physical corresponding organs to this energy system.

Ever since I began dreaming consciously, I’ve done this. If an entity tried to steal my lifeforce or attack me, I didn’t sit and ponder about the philosophical implications of the interaction. I didn’t go into a meditation and wish love upon it. I didn’t visualize it surrounded by white light and pray to some outside entity for protection.

What did I do?

I grabbed the fucking thing, shoved it in my mouth and started chewing.

Crunch, crunch, crunch.

GULP.

Done.

No fear, no hesitation, no remorse.

It’s the ultimate act of domination and ‘fuck-you’ to an invading presence. You eat and digest the damn thing.

Don’t care about toxins, don’t care about dirty or low level energies. The digestive system takes care of all that. It’s all about consuming the very essence of your enemy to absolute completion.

Now, on this thread a couple less experienced members asked me earlier: “why bother getting energy from low level NPCs when you have much higher sources of clean energy?”

The answer is simple: refinement.

The same way we eat a fruit that has transformed sunlight into sugar instead of staring into the sun directly.

The same way we eat a ribeye steak instead of chewing on grass for weeks.

Refinement. Letting a lower level lifeform do the refinement so higher level Apex predator can come in and benefit from the resources. And that Apex predator is Me.

All I have to do is start hunting down the right dreamers and literally devour them. Or at least take a huge fucking bite.

Perhaps this is the true origin of the myth of the Vampire- not to sustain off physical blood but spiritual lifeforce right from the throat chakra.

As to whether I can consume and digest an entire human dreamer is yet to be determined. But you gotta start somewhere.

Bon appetit.

10/10 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Dahaarkan]

Okay.

I have it.

I have the ultimate method.

And, ironically, it is something I have always had and something I have always done instinctively- just not applied specifically to humans.

We already have within us the most effective energy absorption system imaginable. It is so much a part of us that we even have physical corresponding organs to this energy system.

Ever since I began dreaming consciously, I’ve done this. If an entity tried to steal my lifeforce or attack me, I didn’t sit and ponder about the philosophical implications of the interaction. I didn’t go into a meditation and wish love upon it. I didn’t visualize it surrounded by white light and pray to some outside entity for protection.

What did I do?

I grabbed the fucking thing, shoved it in my mouth and started chewing.

Crunch, crunch, crunch.

GULP.

Done.

No fear, no hesitation, no remorse.

It’s the ultimate act of domination and ‘fuck-you’ to an invading presence. You eat and digest the damn thing.

Don’t care about toxins, don’t care about dirty or low level energies. The digestive system takes care of all that. It’s all about consuming the very essence of your enemy to absolute completion.

Now, on this thread a couple less experienced members asked me earlier: “why bother getting energy from low level NPCs when you have much higher sources of clean energy?”

The answer is simple: refinement.

The same way we eat a fruit that has transformed sunlight into sugar instead of staring into the sun directly.

The same way we eat a ribeye steak instead of chewing on grass for weeks.

Refinement. Letting a lower level lifeform do the refinement so higher level Apex predator can come in and benefit from the resources. And that Apex predator is Me.

All I have to do is start hunting down the right dreamers and literally devour them. Or at least take a huge fucking bite.

Perhaps this is the true origin of the myth of the Vampire- not to sustain off physical blood but spiritual lifeforce right from the throat chakra.

As to whether I can consume and digest an entire human dreamer is yet to be determined. But you gotta start somewhere.

Bon appetit.

I won't even attempt to start explaining anything you've written here. I wrote an article regarding psychic vampirism in detail if you're interested in being educated on this matter.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66385

Everything you've described is simply a product of your imagination, and your concept of wanting to be some kind of edgelord apex predator doesn't exist outside of your mind. You cannot consume a soul in it's entirety, and even if you did manage to fuse with another soul you'd simply become an aberration. An amalgamation of souls doomed to permanent decay.

Psychic vampirism is not on it's own a tool for advancement or energy accumulation.

 

[Blackdragon666]

I think this was a bit unnecessary as Henu does a lot of important work. You don't have to write endless paragraphs to be significant. I wish I had enough time to be that available on the forums and help as he does (hopefully I will soon).

Because I gave him feedback doesn't mean I'm devaluing anything he does. He is not perfect and should not be kept in a bubble and made to believe he can do no wrong. His post was useless and a regurgitation of what others have repeatedly said already, what's worse is how it is put together is baity and snarky, this kind of behavior should be beneath him, and he's better than that.

Actually you did and then took a step back. This is why the other coward agreed with you, he was a coward who hated on Henu behind the scenes and never had the courage to come out until you gave him a platform. You called his posts vague and meaningless which they are not. Henu is always replying to questions and trying to help in his capacity which is greatly appreciated by the Gods. You were just being petty and thinking that you were 'bursting his bubble'. You tried to bring down a Satanist who does more work on the forums than you which is absolutely disgusting.

Who gave you the authority to decide who posts valuable and non-valuable information? Under whose authority do you think you can say how anyone should post or what a quality post is, to the point of trying to destroy the well-earned reputation of other SS? There's a reason why Henu is off-mod and you're not.

And for goodness sake work on your petty anger issues. Yes people raise valid concerns concerns over your obsession with draining people's life force.

The subconscious mind doesn't understand like the conscious mind does. While you think you're doing something justified (which may or may not be), you're programming your subconscious mind to have a parasitic mindset. That it's okay to take people's life force. It doesn't matter the reason but the more you do this the more you program it into your subconscious. The result is that you can reincarnate with this trait strong in your personality to where you feel justified to just take other people's property as you please.

Using energy ripping for personal gains is the equivalent of using brute force to take away the property of people you come across who you deem unworthy of having their property. It is not 'wrong', especially if the person really acquired their wealth through underhanded means but you're using this as a major means to make ends meet. So what does this say or imply about you? Exactly, that rather than build stuff for yourself, you prefer to take from others.

This sets up a pattern that can worsen with successive lifetimes, creating a real parasite

 

[NinRick]

Between the two pillars of the soul, one of which is about judgement and another is about forgiveness or kindness, the balance is instated only when the higher pillar of the soul [the 3rd eye] is properly activated. In this case, judgement becomes an ability of a person, and from there on, one can decide their route of action based on their power and capacity.

Oh my gosh thank you! You just gave an answer of what my issue rn was! (Not related at all, but you gave me an answer of something else )

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Actually you did and then took a step back. This is why the other coward agreed with you, he was a coward who hated on Henu behind the scenes and never had the courage to come out until you gave him a platform. You called his posts vague and meaningless which they are not. Henu is always replying to questions and trying to help in his capacity which is greatly appreciated by the Gods. You were just being petty and thinking that you were 'bursting his bubble'. You tried to bring down a Satanist who does more work on the forums than you which is absolutely disgusting.

And here come the rest of the so called “Guardians” with a God complex. He described it perfectly as a mafia that runs on intimidation even though I may disagree with his ideals. That’s integrity. All of you are in some sort of a pact where anyone that steps out of line (especially against one of you) gets verbally beaten and no one can say anything about it because of your “offmod” or whatever the fuck status. Everyone should just grovel to you and the gang and should be grateful for your presence on this post even though nothing meaningful was said.