Freeing the soul is important because...

[Gearshift]

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A trance is not essential except for advanced magic or that which requires sensitivity. Sure, it is helpful, but definitely not essential or anything.

I've done plenty of meditations not in a trance that have worked just fine.

A trance gives you more direct access to the astral realm, but that does not mean your conscious/masculine side cannot touch it at all.

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Your Mercury placement can give a tendency for overthinking or wanting to do meditations quickly. Yet it is also placed in a positive position as well. I think your overall opinion of your abilities are much worse than the reality.

Yes, you may think more than normal, but as long as you can still focus on your meditations, then they will work fine. You are also gifted to be able to understand what you are doing. There are some people who complete meditations without realizing what they are actually doing.

At your current point, you can put forth workings to help yourself. For example, use Munka to remove any obstacles, physical/mental/or spiritual, which may make it harder for you to meditate. This could result in a philosophical chances, having a better outlook or perception, reducing fidgeting or unhelpful thinking patterns, etc.

All the other meditations you talked about here can be done without a trance. Therefore, you are actually doing fine. Stay focused on chipping away at any obstacles on your path, because you are definitely ABLE to do so.

Okay...

But I'd like to learn this stuff, trance/void.

I simply got frustrated at Henu's answer cause he gives it in such a way that it sounds like meditation = fake. Unless you void/trance/mindfull i.e. perform the meditations and mental techniques taught in the World.

It doesn't happen. I'd just like to go ahead and learn it.

I'd like to astral project. Something I've known since '99 and does require altered state for calming/relaxing.

Munka working on eliminating my problems with meditation.

For example Munka is positively eliminating all obstacles hindering me from meditating properly, now and forever.

Would that be a good affirmation?

I know we go up to 108 to do a 40 day working but can I do a lower amount like 40 reps?

BTW my mercury placement is 8th house Leo, occult house but most detrimental. Lower air balanced elements relatively but lower air.

 

[luis]

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A trance is not essential except for advanced magic or that which requires sensitivity. Sure, it is helpful, but definitely not essential or anything.

I've done plenty of meditations not in a trance that have worked just fine.

A trance gives you more direct access to the astral realm, but that does not mean your conscious/masculine side cannot touch it at all.

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Your Mercury placement can give a tendency for overthinking or wanting to do meditations quickly. Yet it is also placed in a positive position as well. I think your overall opinion of your abilities are much worse than the reality.

Yes, you may think more than normal, but as long as you can still focus on your meditations, then they will work fine. You are also gifted to be able to understand what you are doing. There are some people who complete meditations without realizing what they are actually doing.

At your current point, you can put forth workings to help yourself. For example, use Munka to remove any obstacles, physical/mental/or spiritual, which may make it harder for you to meditate. This could result in a philosophical chances, having a better outlook or perception, reducing fidgeting or unhelpful thinking patterns, etc.

All the other meditations you talked about here can be done without a trance. Therefore, you are actually doing fine. Stay focused on chipping away at any obstacles on your path, because you are definitely ABLE to do so.

Sometimes I feel like he just does not want to advance. Its not the first time either. No offence Gear, I'm not perfect either and I've done many mistakes too when it comes to meditation, I should be way more advanced if I did it right.

At least it teached me what I need to do now. When it comes to beliving Jos you have the logical and spiritual side , for example it's pretty logical what the Jos says about the enemy and so you can belive that, then you have spirituality which is more complex but its something everyone is attracted to and this is why we are here. I had so many experiences I just have to belive it now.

I'll suggest you to do the freeing the soul working to remove any obstacles that make you not advance. Do it for a long time. I think its something a lot of people should do.

When it comes to trance I do think is important but doing a meditation like the Merkaba should already put you in a light trance because you need to have your mind focused like a laser. So there is that, then you need to make it deeper with time. By the way if you think doing just the Merkaba will make you advance, this is not correct. You still need to do everything else.

 

[Henu the Great]

...So your saying meditation is completely fake it's totally a confabulation and fabrication of people. It has not affected it's all in my mind. Might as well meme it and Herman Rosenblatt "It was real because it was in my mind". Are you implying unless the proper technological per-request is achieved JoS is a fake unless you "TRANCE/VOID".

No, you say it’s fake. Matter of fact, I recall you saying it at least dozen times at this point. I have not even implied meditation is fake. Instead, I have implied and stated that incorrectly or haphazardly doing something does not bring the expected results.

For certain functions to be effective trance is required. In the very first paragraph on the Merkaba meditation page, the instruction is to get into a trance. When this requirement is not met, the results are either less than with trance, or none at all depending on the level of focus one has.

When you have out of control mind, ie, errant thoughts, it is not realistic to expect large results. Or Merkaba meditation to be something that requires removing. (wtf?)

Thus your inquiry about removing something you have not diligently worked on is silly.

This does not mean that meditation does not work, or that other practices are ineffective. It all depends on multiple factors, and the level of relaxation of the mind is one factor among many.

I hope you understand the difference between the above and your statement that “meditation does not work”. Because I am not saying that. If you still have trouble grasping the above, I am at a loss for what to say and must conclude that your mental faculties have some sort of deficiency or error. (Which is fixable, btw)

IN CLEAR TERMS:

Work on the basics first.

Form a solid foundation.

Build on top of that.

It’s not more complicated than this.

As to your original inquiry. Use self-hypnosis to effectively reprogram your mind. Not that you have a "meditation to remove", but if you think you can feel better about yourself then "remove" it by repeating the reverse in your mind.

 

[Gearshift]

...So your saying meditation is completely fake it's totally a confabulation and fabrication of people. It has not affected it's all in my mind. Might as well meme it and Herman Rosenblatt "It was real because it was in my mind". Are you implying unless the proper technological per-request is achieved JoS is a fake unless you "TRANCE/VOID".

No, you say it’s fake. Matter of fact, I recall you saying it at least dozen times at this point. I have not even implied meditation is fake. Instead, I have implied and stated that incorrectly or haphazardly doing something does not bring the expected results.

For certain functions to be effective trance is required. In the very first paragraph on the Merkaba meditation page, the instruction is to get into a trance. When this requirement is not met, the results are either less than with trance, or none at all depending on the level of focus one has.

When you have out of control mind, ie, errant thoughts, it is not realistic to expect large results. Or Merkaba meditation to be something that requires removing. (wtf?)

Thus your inquiry about removing something you have not diligently worked on is silly.

This does not mean that meditation does not work, or that other practices are ineffective. It all depends on multiple factors, and the level of relaxation of the mind is one factor among many.

I hope you understand the difference between the above and your statement that “meditation does not work”. Because I am not saying that. If you still have trouble grasping the above, I am at a loss for what to say and must conclude that your mental faculties have some sort of deficiency or error. (Which is fixable, btw)

IN CLEAR TERMS:

Work on the basics first.

Form a solid foundation.

Build on top of that.

It’s not more complicated than this.

As to your original inquiry. Use self-hypnosis to effectively reprogram your mind. Not that you have a "meditation to remove", but if you think you can feel better about yourself then "remove" it by repeating the reverse in your mind.

Okay I'll keep this in mind.

But do realize I'm a thinker I love thinking and it makes me feel comfortable to grasp things.

I think if anyone paid attention to my astro chart they'd probably see a major issue somewhere.

Self-hypnosis requires trance unless you mean repeatedly affirming i.e. spending 5-10 minutes reprogramming.

I want to get in a trance to see what happens. For example Blitz is stating trance isn't 100% required as I'm doing stuff but non-the less your saying trance is a per-requiest technology needed to unlock a meditation i.e. a spiritual technology.

I assume it's safe to ask: Trance isn't 100% needed but eventually when people learn it and delve deeper and deeper and deeper.

They might as well use it and meditate fully in a trance even if it's not required.

Look I know. I've known about meditation more years than any other subject I've known about except my enthrallment with WW2. Next to WW2/Warfare is meditation.

I simply wish to things "PROPERLY".

And I always felt a let down going UNLESS I void and trance. I'm not meditating.

Yes Blitz and others have said your still doing SOMETHING.

But just once I'd love to experience this meditative state. People state they enter trances or are induced into a trance by a 3rd party and come out refresh and happy after the closure is brought up to return them to normal mode.

I'd love to happen.

Everytime I meditate either I feel sleepy/tired/groggy as if I slept or relaxed more appropriately as we are not sleeping. Or I come out mentally fatigued cause it is heavy to think the meditation through to do it.

I simply wish to meditate properly.

I'm glad you didn't get pissed off but please understand I'm EXTREMELY frustrated and I'd also like to do fun stuff like for example astral projection or lucid dreaming which people on various internet forums state you can control, be inside do whatever.

And yet whenever I do it I'm all sleepy and out of it lucid conscious but eventually I wake up. Only on one or two occasions have I even had a reentering dream whereby I wake up fall asleep and restart the dream.

I don't know why non of the occult works for me. And yes if your wondering I have wondered if I'm a jew not that I've been attacked or whatever but I've had the thoughts. Although I quickly dismissed it.

I simply want to enjoy meditation and get "addicted" to it sorta like Yogis having energy buzzes and energy projections during and after Yoga.

I'd like once to >properly< perform meditation and gain benefits from it.

It's sorta like food I gain energy hell I might even eat hundreds of thousands if not a solid million+ calories 500-1,000 Kalories but food gives me long term energy it doesn't make me supersaiyin.

I just once want to do a power meditation and feel pumped up like crazy as if I did a stimulant.

 

[Aquarius]

But do realize I'm a thinker I love thinking and it makes me feel comfortable to grasp things.

You're an addict to it. You have literally wasted all of your life because you are too comfortable in your mental cage.

Your thinking is a cloud that hides the fact that you have wasted your entire life, when you stop thinking is when you realize what you've done, you don't want the discomfort associated with that.

And because you can't deal with discomfort you have spent the majority of time like a literal animal.

 

[Henu the Great]

I already started a working for removing a health issue (just to help speed up because I'm already taking Chinese herbs for it). I'll try it next time because I want to do a working to remove obstacles to wealth, if you can let us know if the mantra is good

I am planning to do a 3-month period with that mantra beginning in late December so it will take time to give a report of the full effects.

 

[luis]

I already started a working for removing a health issue (just to help speed up because I'm already taking Chinese herbs for it). I'll try it next time because I want to do a working to remove obstacles to wealth, if you can let us know if the mantra is good

I am planning to do a 3-month period with that mantra beginning in late December so it will take time to give a report of the full effects.

Ok, as soon as I can do it I will report on the forum.

 

[Henu the Great]

Okay I'll keep this in mind.

But do realize I'm a thinker I love thinking and it makes me feel comfortable to grasp things.

Thing is you are placing so much value to this false ego level of thinking that every other aspect of your life is in shambles. Your very basic needs are dependant on others providing for you. What good does this do when you can not take care of yourself... Put things in perspective, and... Think outside of the box for once.

I think if anyone paid attention to my astro chart they'd probably see a major issue somewhere.

Sure, but it is primarly your responsibility to learn about yourself and apply knowledge to raise above.

Self-hypnosis requires trance unless you mean repeatedly affirming i.e. spending 5-10 minutes reprogramming.

Yes, but even light trance is better than no trance. Having an active mind while repeating affirmations serves little to no purpose.

I want to get in a trance to see what happens. For example Blitz is stating trance isn't 100% required as I'm doing stuff but non-the less your saying trance is a per-requiest technology needed to unlock a meditation i.e. a spiritual technology.

I assume it's safe to ask: Trance isn't 100% needed but eventually when people learn it and delve deeper and deeper and deeper.

Only by practicing a skill it can be acquired and cultivated.

Having lowered brain waves will enable one to more effectively alter the underlying patterns.

They might as well use it and meditate fully in a trance even if it's not required.

Situational.

I simply wish to meditate properly.

You wish. However you have openly refused to apply a simple yogic practice to your daily life in the past. Unless you are ready to apply yourself on the daily, your wish will remain a wish.