Duality

[Golden Garden Fairy]

Hi. People often talk about duality in the Indian teachings . Like shiva is beyond duality. As though shiva is both good and evil in this dimension , but in a higher dimension is beyond duality. What are your thoughts on this? Thx

 

[GoldenxChild1]

From what I understand, duality can be better understood by acknowledging polarity. Everything has two sides. Hot and cold, up and down, do or do not, male and female, creation and destruction, etc

Yet there remains deeper meanings.

I feel like the new age movement puts so much emphasis on "duality" it becomes a fad to "overcome" it.

"I OvEr CaMe mUh DuALity BY CutTiNg oF mY GeNiTaLs"

 

[existentialcrisis]

Hi. People often talk about duality in the Indian teachings . Like shiva is beyond duality. As though shiva is both good and evil in this dimension , but in a higher dimension is beyond duality. What are your thoughts on this? Thx

My interpretation is if you're beyond duality then yin and yang are no longer separate for you. They are unified as one. You are complete.

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

My interpretation is if you're beyond duality then yin and yang are no longer separate for you. They are unified as one. You are complete

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

But does that mean that yaweh and lucider are the same being in a higher dimension?

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

But does that mean that yaweh and lucider are the same being in a higher dimension?

Duality applies to two parts which together make a whole, or can be two sides of one whole. Existent and Non existent. Yin and Yang. Life and Death. Seen and Unseen, to name a few.
Note here as well, opposites do not automatically represent a Duality, only if the opposites represent a singular whole. Light and Dark can be seen as one such opposite that together creates a whole, while Ignorance and Gnosis are not as they are two wholly different states which do not together make up a single whole.

Satan and the imaginary nonsense thoughtform invented by the jews have absolutely no correlation in any way whatsoever. "Yahweh" doesn't even exist on any higher dimension, because it is merely a thoughtform created by jews.

To even suggest this sort of thing, there is a fundamental lack of understanding to what a Duality represents, and a total absence of understanding to what Satan and what Gods are.

When a being is beyond duality, it means it is the whole of both in perfect unification, but also a state that is outside of the whole of the two. A middle state is born that is neither one or the other, but is both at the same time (Which is a Duality in itself interestingly enough, you can begin to see how this loops on itself to create a new state). Satan is Seen and Unseen, Present and Non Present, to name a few. He is both simultaneously, on our dimension, and everywhere. It is an expression of both at once, and also beyond both.

Lastly, not all Duality is equal. Some are higher forms than others, permeating more of All than others. This relates to the forms they take, what forms they represent, and what the duality rules over and is ruled by. Some states of Duality are higher than others, and more unobtainable than others, some more observable than others.

At the root of it, something has to be of a Dual nature to be able to form a Duality.

Satan is infinitely removed from that lowly crap. There is never a Duality there. Infinite and Infinitesimal are a Duality. Garbage and The Absolute are not. Garbage is just garbage, while Satan is Satan.

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

Well, you probably won’t like this idea. But how would we know how to develop reason and tell good from evil, if evil wasn’t created for us to learn about it.

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

I.e can we evolve spiritually without being challenged by evil?

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

I.e can we evolve spiritually without being challenged by evil?

Yes, however be sure to not falsely perceive some elements of life as evil, as the work of humans is to figure out the path of advancement in the circumstances of life. Evil implies a "personality", the nature of life's most negative parts are impersonal in nature, they are not evil but entropic, constricting. Evil comes in the act of not knowing or resolving, accepting the ignorance.

The negative part of existence, which is something of a cyclical nature, not evil at all, exists without your allowance. It wasn't created for you, but is part of all that is, and where you partake, therefore it doesn't have the meaning of start and end but of what it is.

The enemy having told life as either a "heaven without reason" or "evil and reason" is to enslave the most simple minds of the people. Even in enemy context they couldn't deny, Satan represents the real path and the one that all people should make, knowledge, freedom and clarity. Search on the forum, there are topics about this that make it understood.

 

[Recycler1337]

But does that mean that yaweh and lucider are the same being in a higher dimension?

Duality is also inherent in the source of all things.

If Satan and Gods have appeared, then there is also their antipode, which is the enemy.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

Duality is also inherent in the source of all things.

If Satan and Gods have appeared, then there is also their antipode, which is the enemy.

The source of all things, or the All in All, is beyond Duality. All Duality is encompassed within this, as itself it is the source of Duality but also the transcendent of everything.

I myself do not have an antipode, neither do our people as people. What makes you think Satan would have an antipode, when even us humans do not have one? Why do you believe there should be such a thing, and why do you think the enemy must be their antipode? They are just a pest, they oppose us and they oppose certain things the Gods stand for or practice, this does not make them an antipode, and doesn't qualify them anything more than a pest. To us they may be an insurmountable force, to the Gods they are nothing.

Not for all things there has to be an opposite duality. Either some things inherently do not have them, or some beings are beyond this altogether for this to be possible.

 

[Recycler1337]

The source of all things, or the All in All, is beyond Duality. All Duality is encompassed within this, as itself it is the source of Duality but also the transcendent of everything.

I myself do not have an antipode, neither do our people as people. What makes you think Satan would have an antipode, when even us humans do not have one? Why do you believe there should be such a thing, and why do you think the enemy must be their antipode? They are just a pest, they oppose us and they oppose certain things the Gods stand for or practice, this does not make them an antipode, and doesn't qualify them anything more than a pest. To us they may be an insurmountable force, to the Gods they are nothing.

Not for all things there has to be an opposite duality. Either some things inherently do not have them, or some beings are beyond this altogether for this to be possible.

I in no way wanted to raise the enemy from the rank of parasite to the rank of "antipode", just gave the example that if from the "source" manifested something good and positive as our Gods, the enemy also manifested, but they are not in any case are not one entity on the higher levels, as the man asked above

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

The source of all things, or the All in All, is beyond Duality. All Duality is encompassed within this, as itself it is the source of Duality but also the transcendent of everything.

I myself do not have an antipode, neither do our people as people. What makes you think Satan would have an antipode, when even us humans do not have one? Why do you believe there should be such a thing, and why do you think the enemy must be their antipode? They are just a pest, they oppose us and they oppose certain things the Gods stand for or practice, this does not make them an antipode, and doesn't qualify them anything more than a pest. To us they may be an insurmountable force, to the Gods they are nothing.

Not for all things there has to be an opposite duality. Either some things inherently do not have them, or some beings are beyond this altogether for this to be possible.

If they are nothing, why does the jos site talk about demons being imprisoned by them? Why have so many pagan god like hero’s, like apolo died?