This is false. Though, you are correct that the sound aspect of vibration is a key component to the power, it isn’t exclusively the reason there is power in vibrating the mantras. If this was so, then it wouldn’t matter what mantra one vibrated to gain energy for a working. If it was all just sound is needed, it wouldn’t matter. The mantras themselves have power, and vibrating them in your mind activates that power.Jack said:It is fucked. It has to be vibrated through your vocal cords which generate the particular sound of particular wavelength and frequency and hence particular energy. Doing it mentally is simply self hypnosis. It cannot be called a mantra working.
As I said to Jack, this is true what you say, the sound adds another element to the power and it is a very powerful part of this, but what you’re missing is the mantras are ancient and have power themselves separate from the sound aspect. You can, for instance meditate on the symbol of a rune and derive power from it, completely without sound or mental vibration. All words of power have their own distinct powerful attributes. It’s not just the sound that creates energy from them.Braun666 said:A good analogy referred in the JoS is the striking of a bell. Just like a bell struck consistently, the words you vibrate send out a “message”. This “message” or vibration stays with you and fulfills your will based on the word of power and how you directed the energy. When it is done mentally, it has much less of a physical effect, and one day missed in vibrating the word with intent and direction can be considered missed as with a 40 day working there needs to be consistency.
Different root words of sanskrit make up different frequencies and wavelengths when combined creates a particular type of energy. You cannot use a violent death energy for a love working. Mantra literally means something that has to be uttered physically,Eric13 said:This is false. Though, you are correct that the sound aspect of vibration is a key component to the power, it isn’t exclusively the reason there is power in vibrating the mantras. If this was so, then it wouldn’t matter what mantra one vibrated to gain energy for a working. If it was all just sound is needed, it wouldn’t matter. The mantras themselves have power, and vibrating them in your mind activates that power.Jack said:It is fucked. It has to be vibrated through your vocal cords which generate the particular sound of particular wavelength and frequency and hence particular energy. Doing it mentally is simply self hypnosis. It cannot be called a mantra working.
In ideal circumstances one would take advantage of both aspects of the power of mantras, one being the innate power itself ingrained in the mantra and also the sound. If someone wanted best outcome, you should vibrate the mantra aloud.
If there are circumstances, for the odd day here or there where you can’t vibrate aloud, it is perfectly valid to vibrate mentally and achieve results.
As I said to Jack, this is true what you say, the sound adds another element to the power and it is a very powerful part of this, but what you’re missing is the mantras are ancient and have power themselves separate from the sound aspect. You can, for instance meditate on the symbol of a rune and derive power from it, completely without sound or mental vibration. All words of power have their own distinct powerful attributes. It’s not just the sound that creates energy from them.Braun666 said:A good analogy referred in the JoS is the striking of a bell. Just like a bell struck consistently, the words you vibrate send out a “message”. This “message” or vibration stays with you and fulfills your will based on the word of power and how you directed the energy. When it is done mentally, it has much less of a physical effect, and one day missed in vibrating the word with intent and direction can be considered missed as with a 40 day working there needs to be consistency.
How will you generate that particular type of energy without your vocal cords vibrating ? Matter is manifest vibration ,which is assembled on templates of sacred structure. Vibration is key, not imagination.A mantra (Sanskrit: मन्त्र, romanized: mantra, English pronunciation /ˈmæntrə, ˈmɑːn-, ˈmʌn-/)[2] is a sacred utterance, a numinous sound, a syllable, word or phonemes, or group of words in Sanskrit believed by practitioners to have psychological and/or spiritual powers.[3][4]
Eric13 said:As I said to Jack, this is true what you say, the sound adds another element to the power and it is a very powerful part of this, but what you’re missing is the mantras are ancient and have power themselves separate from the sound aspect. You can, for instance meditate on the symbol of a rune and derive power from it, completely without sound or mental vibration. All words of power have their own distinct powerful attributes. It’s not just the sound that creates energy from them.
noTopoftheAbyss said:Or is the working fucked?
You’re thinking about it too physical. You got to remember, this isn’t just a physical practice. There’s a metaphysical component to all of this. I don’t know how sensitive to energy you are but if you try it out, you’ll see for yourself. I’ve raised quite a bit of energy doing vibrations purely in my head when I had no privacy. Feeling the strong compulsions of energy after each vibration. I’ve done this a lot.Jack said:How will you generate that particular type of energy without your vocal cords vibrating ? Matter is manifest vibration ,which is assembled on templates of sacred structure. Vibration is key, not imagination.
The consistency relates to mantras chosen during a working. For instance, you don’t need to do it during the same planetary hour everyday. The consistency doesn’t apply across the board. Vibrating aloud or in ones head, doesn’t negate the working. What needs to happen for a working to succeed, is energy needs to be raised and programmed. Numbers and astrology play a role too. If all these requisites are met, it’s okay. Vibrating in the mind raises energy, even if it’s inferior to sound, and thus, if all other needs are met, there is no real worry. The worry would come if someone vibrated in their head every time, for something important for instance. Because it’s going to take a longer time.Braun666 said:
Eric13 said:
:shock: Okay dude, I tried to explain it to you, you’re making presumptions about Hps saying things bla bla and other things. You’re right cause you’ve made theories from things the jos said, (which nowhere does it say anything about a working being ruined from doing a day or two or mental vibrations during a working, even in magical squares), so it’s all presumptions which I’m trying to explain to you are incorrect. Of course I’m not rooting for anyone to fail.Braun666 said:
Stormblood said:Eric13 said:The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Hooded Cobra 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Hooded Cobra 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090
Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.Stormblood said:The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Hooded Cobra 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Hooded Cobra 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090
& when another member defended mental vibrations:Mental vibration can also be done in specific situations and for the mental environment.
- HP HCNobody said these were not feasible, or that these were not done. It's done by many. Actually it was always presented as a viable alternative for those who do not have the time and/or ability to do this.
TopoftheAbyss said:Or is the working fucked?
Eric13 said:Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.Stormblood said:The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Hooded Cobra 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Hooded Cobra 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090
But nonetheless the topics you posted do indeed prove my point.
& when another member defended mental vibrations:Mental vibration can also be done in specific situations and for the mental environment.- HP HCNobody said these were not feasible, or that these were not done. It's done by many. Actually it was always presented as a viable alternative for those who do not have the time and/or ability to do this.
Well, I never said that. So confusion...Braun666 said:Thanks for pulling these up. He was very adamant on keeping his stance so I didn't bother: stating that mental vibrations are equal to actual chanting vibration. There's only so many times you can say something past a point you'll be repeating the same thing over and over. There's only so much time in a day.
hailourtruegod said:No it's not. You're good. Finish the working. As it was clearly pointed out you still raised energy. It's just not as strong if you would have done it loudly but you still raised something at least for that day. Do your best to do it loudly (as in not mentally) from now on to get best results possible.TopoftheAbyss said:Or is the working fucked?
Stormblood said:Eric13 said:Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.Stormblood said:The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Hooded Cobra 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Hooded Cobra 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090
But nonetheless the topics you posted do indeed prove my point.
& when another member defended mental vibrations:Mental vibration can also be done in specific situations and for the mental environment.- HP HCNobody said these were not feasible, or that these were not done. It's done by many. Actually it was always presented as a viable alternative for those who do not have the time and/or ability to do this.
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
TopoftheAbyss said:hailourtruegod said:No it's not. You're good. Finish the working. As it was clearly pointed out you still raised energy. It's just not as strong if you would have done it loudly but you still raised something at least for that day. Do your best to do it loudly (as in not mentally) from now on to get best results possible.TopoftheAbyss said:Or is the working fucked?
Thanks for the answers everyone. I still don't know what I can do that day but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
Stormblood said:Eric13 said:Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.Stormblood said:The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Hooded Cobra 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Hooded Cobra 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090
But nonetheless the topics you posted do indeed prove my point.
& when another member defended mental vibrations:Mental vibration can also be done in specific situations and for the mental environment.- HP HCNobody said these were not feasible, or that these were not done. It's done by many. Actually it was always presented as a viable alternative for those who do not have the time and/or ability to do this.
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
TopoftheAbyss said:hailourtruegod said:No it's not. You're good. Finish the working. As it was clearly pointed out you still raised energy. It's just not as strong if you would have done it loudly but you still raised something at least for that day. Do your best to do it loudly (as in not mentally) from now on to get best results possible.TopoftheAbyss said:Or is the working fucked?
Thanks for the answers everyone. I still don't know what I can do that day but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
Nope, not a problem. Good luck!TopoftheAbyss said:but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
It would just have less power , (not ideal), but wouldn’t be nullified. The reason planetary squares can easily be nullified is because they’re tied in heavily with numbers. It’s like a roller coaster on the tracks and if you use the wrong number they go off tracks and it’s over. Death to the working. The way squares work is strategic use of numbers to amplify energy quickly based on metaphysics. If you miss a day or vibrate the wrong number, the strategy being used is done. You can’t continue, youre off the tracks now but the energy raised prior to the fuck up doesn’t just disappear. It’s still there. That’s probably a confusion some people have. But key with squares is numbers so even with mental vibrations or soft whisper and mental vibrations, if the numbers are used right, then we’re still on the tracks and the ride is still going.Stormblood said:And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
Very true, it’s witchcraft 101. Raise energy, program, direct. A working is only ruined if one of these isn’t present. (With planetary squares, as I said if the numbers are off, then the energy can’t be raised further. Thus we’re missing step one and it’s ruined) but aside from that, mental vibrations or soft whispers added still raise energy and a person shouldn’t panic and discontinue the working. Especially if they’re a ways into it. They should continue.hailourtruegod said:There is no need to stop a working especially if one is already far into it. Energy is raised regardless in this situation. The results will still manifest and I speak from experience.
Eric13 said:Well, I never said that. So confusion...Braun666 said:Thanks for pulling these up. He was very adamant on keeping his stance so I didn't bother: stating that mental vibrations are equal to actual chanting vibration. There's only so many times you can say something past a point you'll be repeating the same thing over and over. There's only so much time in a day.
But I explained myself rationally. In fact as I pointed out, the threads he posted actually prove my point. The only point I made was a day or two of mental vibrations won’t ruin a working. I explained why. Never said it was as powerful. This is why you’re confused. So I hope it’s cleared up now.
Sort this condescending attitude out though. I explained myself, something you couldn’t do only admitting over and over your thoughts were opinion and declaring yourself right. That doesn’t fly here. I backed my arguments and explained how it works. It’s not rocket science.
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