Mixing Dog Breeds "can be Very Dangerous"

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Mixing Dog Breeds "can be Very Dangerous"

Postby Bigot Boy » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:33 am

I've been mulling over this issue for quite some time, but I went ahead and did some research recently after an argument about the perils of race mixing. I referenced the many health problems mixed-breed dogs face, and the person replied saying crossbred dogs are "healthier" - which is a, very dangerous, myth.

This article is definitely worth the read. It only further proves Mother Nature DID NOT intend for race mixing in any way, in any species.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tions.html


Over the past five years, a canine revolution has been seen in Britain’s parks, streets and gardens.

Along with familiar dog breeds — the Labradors, spaniels and retrievers — dozens of new cross-breeds have appeared, from Chorkies (a Chihuahua and Yorkshire terrier mix) to Maltipoos (Maltese and poodle) and muggins (miniature pinscher and pug).

Britain’s dog-lovers have been buying the new cross-breeds in their droves, spending up to £2,000 to secure the rarest, most bizarre mixes.

They’ve been wooed by their cute names, by celebrity endorsements, and by the dangerous myth that cross-breeds are somehow healthier and more robust than pedigree dogs.

The cross-breeds’ popularity has been boosted further by the notion that they are ‘hypoallergenic’ and won’t trigger reactions in people who are usually allergic to dogs.

Only now is the tragic truth beginning to emerge. Far from being resilient to disease, many of these cross-breeds are, in fact, far more vulnerable to agonising illness and infection than pedigree dogs.

Today, thousands of ‘toy dogs’ sit in freezing cold, cramped cages and filthy sheds across rural England and Wales, awaiting new owners. Many suffer from parasites, kidney problems, heart disease and respiratory disorders.

Within several days of being bought by their new, unsuspecting owners, the unluckiest puppies will have to be put to sleep.

Earlier this month, the creator of the first Labradoodle — a Labrador crossed with a poodle — expressed his regret at creating these ‘Frankenstein’ dogs.

The man behind the breed, Wally Conron, said that by inventing the first designer dog in the Eighties, he had ‘created a lot of problems’.

The 85-year-old crossed a Labrador and a poodle to help a blind woman, whose husband was allergic to most guide dogs, find a puppy that did not shed its fur.

His kind gesture fuelled a new, lucrative and deeply harmful industry. The winsome-looking Labradoodle became popular among celebrities, including Hollywood actress Jennifer Aniston, model Elle Macpherson, chat-show host Graham Norton, and Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson.

Mr Conron, from Victoria, Australia, fears he opened a ‘Pandora’s box’. While the Labradoodle remains one of the most successful cross-breeds, some suffer from congenital defects, including eye disorders and hip problems.

‘Instead of breeding out the problems, they’re breeding them in,’ said Mr Conron. ‘For every perfect one, you’re going to find a lot of crazy ones. There are a lot of unhealthy and abandoned dogs out there.’

‘You can’t walk down the street without seeing a poodle cross of some sort. I just heard about someone who wanted to cross a poodle with a Rottweiler. How could anyone do that?

‘Not in my wildest dreams did I imagine all of this would happen.’


The heart of the problem lies in the false idea that, by crossing breeds, you get so-called hybrid vigour: that a greater genetic mix produces a healthier animal.

Instead, in the new, unscrupulous world of puppy-farmers, they produce much unhealthier animals, by breeding without the health checks long-term pedigree breeders have insisted on for decades.

‘It can be very dangerous,’ says Marc Abraham, the TV vet who founded the charity Pup Aid, which has launched an online petition to ban puppy and kitten farming in the UK. The ban will be debated in Parliament next month.

‘You end up cross-breeding breeds which each often have their own genetic faults. So Labradors are prone to hip problems, and poodles to eyesight problems. Cross-breed them and you get puppies prone to both conditions.’

Mr Abraham has seen damaged cross-breeds pour into his Brighton surgery over the past five years. Tragically he occasionally has to put down the ones suffering the most because they have been so badly bred on the puppy farms.

‘I get sick cross-breeds all the time,’ he says. ‘People have fallen for the idea that they’re healthier than pedigree dogs, and that they’re hypoallergenic, which is complete rubbish. And they just love the names — anything with ‘-oodle’ in it sounds cute.’

Indeed, enterprising breeders have come up with the giant schnoodle (a schnauzer-poodle), the boodle (a bulldog-poodle) and the Dalmapoodle (a Dalmatian-poodle). And that’s before you even get to the Pekepoo (a Pekingese-poodle) and the Pomapoo (a Pomeranian-poodle).


‘You never get to see how they’re bred as you do when you visit a proper pedigree breeder. And they’ll bring you a different dog to the one you saw online.’

The Kennel Club estimates that one in five puppies, bought via social media or the internet, dies before it is six months old.

‘Because of the massive over-production in these puppy farms, the puppies are poorly socialised,’ says Mr Abraham

‘Their mothers are imprisoned, pumping out puppies who are taken away from them far too young. So the puppies end up being nervous biters.’

They are often so badly neglected, they don’t have effective immune systems. Soon after they arrive at their new homes, they develop eye, skeletal and heart problems.

‘They’re often dead within two days,’ says Mr Abraham.

Helen Morgan, 52, is one of the puppy farmers’ victims. She bought a cockapoo (a cocker spaniel/poodle) puppy for £650 after seeing an advertisement online.

Two weeks later, the puppy, Milo, died an agonising death, after contracting suspected Giardia, an intestinal disease which thrives in unhygienic puppy farms.

After spotting the advert for brown cockapoos, Miss Morgan had met a dealer at his smart, detached home in Dorset. She was reassured by the well-spoken man, a married father and writer, who claimed to breed puppies in his spare time because of his love of dogs.

‘He showed me the supposed mother and said Milo was the last pup of the litter,’ says Miss Morgan. ‘He looked like a little brown teddy bear and I fell in love instantly.’

She did ‘everything right’, asking for Milo’s birth certificate and questioning him about the puppy’s parents. The morning after taking Milo home, however, he was violently sick and developed diarrhoea.

‘He was lethargic and crying. It was awful to see but, when we called the breeder, he said his dogs were healthy and refused to talk to us about it.’
Wally Conron, inventor of the Labradoodle in the 80s, says he regrets creating these 'Frankenstein' dogs

She took the dog to the vet, who put Milo on a course of antibiotics. But, two days later, he took a turn for the worse. He was found to have intestinal worms and was placed on a drip.

Milo was tested for Giardia and parvovirus, which can cause intestinal disease, but died a week later, before the results were back.

‘I was devastated,’ says Miss Morgan, who has two children aged 15 and 21. ‘We only had him for two weeks, but he was a joy and became part of our family.’

A representative from the local authority later told her that several dogs from the same seller had fallen ill with Giardia. When she spoke to the other buyers, she found that puppies of different colours and sizes had identical birth certificates — suggesting they had been forged and that the dogs had been bred elsewhere.

'You can trim a poodle's coat or brush a retriever's coat, but mix them together and you have a completely unmanageable, matted coat. It is irresponsible breeding and it is done purely to make money'
- Caroline Kisko, secretary of the Kennel Club

She took the breeder to court for the cost of the vet’s fees and the puppy, ‘on a point of principle, to stop him doing it again’, but lost because she could not conclusively prove Milo had died of Giardia.

The breeder is still selling dogs, but has since moved to Derbyshire. Campaigners have also raised concerns that puppy-farm dogs are being carelessly bred from two completely incompatible breeds, to cash in on rare mixes.

A prime example is the Gerberian Shepsky — a cross between a German shepherd and a Siberian husky — which is increasingly popular among the rich in search of an attractive guard dog.

‘If you cross a dog that has one instinct, with another that has an entirely different instinct, it will not know if it is coming or going,’ says Caroline Kisko, secretary of the Kennel Club.

‘It will develop mental health problems. The husky’s instinct is to hunt and the German shepherd’s instinct is to round animals up. If a cross of these sees a rabbit, which is it supposed to do?

‘The golden doodle is another example. You can trim a poodle’s coat or brush a retriever’s coat, but mix them together and you have a completely unmanageable, matted coat. It is irresponsible breeding and it is done purely to make money.’

The Doodle Trust, which rescues unwanted Labradoodles and other poodle cross-breeds, has also expressed concerns that owners simply aren’t able to cope with the exuberance of such dogs, which are energetic and easily bored.

Barb Turnbull, founder of the trust, warns that some people may find these dogs unmanageable.

‘They have the weight and the stubbornness of the Labrador and intelligence and bounce of the poodle. They have to be in the right hands.’

The trust has seen increasing numbers of these dogs abandoned. It rescued more than 100 dogs last year and, in the first six weeks of this year, it had taken in 20 dogs.

The Battersea Dogs & Cats Home has also reported greater numbers of poodle crossbreeds needing new homes because their owners feel overwhelmed.

The Kennel Club does approve cross-breeds, but only if they’ve gone through the medical checks puppy-farmers dodge.

These tests — often including hip X-rays, eye tests and DNA scans — are expensive, costing £200 or more. But they ensure many of those genetic faults that are so common in some breeds are not present.

Those who seek to avoid paying for these tests, or who are seduced by the promises of unscrupulous puppy farmers, are supporting a cruel and shadowy industry.

Defenceless, vulnerable puppies like Milo are the true victims.

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Re: Mixing Dog Breeds "can be Very Dangerous"

Postby ss666 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:28 am

Interesting article, mix breed dogs do present increase heart disease risk and joint problems. Also a clear de-evolution can be seen from wolf to dogs. While dogs would mate with everything they can, wolfs only mate with wolfs, and are more developed in just about every aspect.

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Re: Mixing Dog Breeds "can be Very Dangerous"

Postby Bigot Boy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:36 am

ss666 wrote:Interesting article, mix breed dogs do present increase heart disease risk and joint problems. Also a clear de-evolution can be seen from wolf to dogs. While dogs would mate with everything they can, wolfs only mate with wolfs, and are more developed in just about every aspect.

I feel dogs have it rough because they are rarely living around other dogs of the same breed (even if on the streets). If they were able to spend life around their own kind, I'm positive they would choose to mate with their own breed over others. (I'm not an expert but common sense tells me this)

Plus so many dogs are mixed in some way nowadays, I'm sure that has an effect on their instincts and cause confusion when it comes to mating. Not only that, but constant seclusion and little to no sex their whole life takes it's toll. I find it cruel to be honest, depriving animals of their natural needs. Wolves on the other hand have their pack to grow and mate with.

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Re: Mixing Dog Breeds "can be Very Dangerous"

Postby Hearsync » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:09 am

Thank you for this post. I was recently having a discussion with someone about race mixing and of course dogs came up as an example of where it's okay. Adding this to my arsenal for future debate :)

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Re: Mixing Dog Breeds "can be Very Dangerous"

Postby Xavius_6x6 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:57 pm

My friends dog was showing great signs of rebellion about mixing with a dog that is not part of her breed despite many attempts by the master to do it, sometimes human interference forces this negative move.

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Re: Mixing Dog Breeds "can be Very Dangerous"

Postby SeerOfSS » Fri May 11, 2018 12:13 pm

Didn't read everything but good for future read on my side.
None the least from what I have read it makes sense with all the extra problems they have just like human does.

Anyways brings back to a conversation I had with my family member where horses are bread alot especially when comes to race horses.

Of courses he's fine and thinks also race is good for mixture and that's along story

You can see though horses that has been bread for just racing and how they change there look and start looking ugly over the years of course all for one thing only just race.

Wonder now if cattle has any effect also... When breaded with another kind of cattle...

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