Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

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Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:20 am

Are they like critical degrees as well in a chart.

With the planets Like for example here are some listed ones The Sun in 19 degrees Aries, the Moon in 3 degrees Taurus, They say with Mercury it is in 15 degrees Virgo however my feeling is that we do not know this exaltation degree anymore because mercury is exalted in Aquarius and not Virgo. Venus in 27 degrees Pisces, Mars in 28 degrees Capricorn, Jupiter in 5 degrees Cancer, Saturn in 21 degrees Libra.

The opposite is the fall degree or most debilitated degree of the planet.

I would bet it's great to start a planitary Square on the degree of exaltation if someone could.

Anyways so here is my question what if someone has another planet example sun at 28 degrees Capricorn or Mars at 21 Libra etc. Does this effect that planet. What about ascendants at one of these degrees. What about predictive Astrology what might this mean.

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby 94n » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:29 pm

An explanation that was given to me was to think of them as mountains. When Mars heads to the degree of exaltation, he's getting stronger and stronger until he reaches the degree where he is the strongest. For the opposite, think of them as pits: The Sun heading to his degree of fall, is like a planet getting weaker and weaker, until he reaches the degree of the fall, at his weakest.

As for how it works out in the chart with planetary squares, I'm not sure if people know, because this is new territory so far. You're the first person I've seen who asked about it. I hope to see people's answers.
The degrees of exaltations and falls are all very ancient classifications, so their usage is obscure.
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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:57 am

I have an exact opposition of unrelated planets on an exaltation and fall degree this is why I ask this as well as having another planet one degree off of another fall degree.

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:13 am

94n wrote:An explanation that was given to me was to think of them as mountains. When Mars heads to the degree of exaltation, he's getting stronger and stronger until he reaches the degree where he is the strongest. For the opposite, think of them as pits: The Sun heading to his degree of fall, is like a planet getting weaker and weaker, until he reaches the degree of the fall, at his weakest.

As for how it works out in the chart with planetary squares, I'm not sure if people know, because this is new territory so far. You're the first person I've seen who asked about it. I hope to see people's answers.
The degrees of exaltations and falls are all very ancient classifications, so their usage is obscure.


thanks for the info it's interesting your insights I didn't care as much about the planitary squares thing that was just a comment I do think when we start the planitary squares or magick related to a planet we really should pay attention to the degree the planet is on any planets it conjunts (sextiles squares and Oppositions I don't pay attention to that much) like for example if we were doing the mercury Square and it was at 28 Degrees Gemini that would be awesome I actually got a chance to do this one year and I felt the energy of the Betelgeuse star through the whole working. So I know these things effect stuff a lot. Sometimes I think workings can even fail due to it being at a bad degree or Conjunct something bad for it. Like for example moon Saturn or Mars Conjunct Venus or something or even Venus Conjunct Algol closely in taurus even though it is in its home sign this may be really bad and make the working especially if it is a love working to really bad or backfire.

This is just logical thinking but anyways I just posted my point in asking this but I wanted to add this cause I wonder what anyone's thoughts on it is.

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:20 am

Also if you know enough to read a chart even the house the planet is in when you start something or if it's conjunct an angle really help or hurt the working. With the Sun it is really powerful if you do it right in the morning sun hour if your awake when it's Conjunct the Ascendant in the first house. 9th or 10th house is also good for it if you do it in the afternoon I don't think it should be done when the sun is set that is way less powerful in my experience.

Or with Venus the 2nd or 7th house is really powerful or 12th.

I know going into way too many details and stuff but these things can effect it by adding a little power to the working which the more power you have in a working in its favor the better I think.

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby 94n » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:51 pm

slyscorpion wrote:Also if you know enough to read a chart even the house the planet is in when you start something or if it's conjunct an angle really help or hurt the working. With the Sun it is really powerful if you do it right in the morning sun hour if your awake when it's Conjunct the Ascendant in the first house. 9th or 10th house is also good for it if you do it in the afternoon I don't think it should be done when the sun is set that is way less powerful in my experience.

Or with Venus the 2nd or 7th house is really powerful or 12th.

I know going into way too many details and stuff but these things can effect it by adding a little power to the working which the more power you have in a working in its favor the better I think.


slyscorpion wrote: Sometimes I think workings can even fail due to it being at a bad degree or Conjunct something bad for it. Like for example moon Saturn or Mars Conjunct Venus or something or even Venus Conjunct Algol closely in taurus even though it is in its home sign this may be really bad and make the working especially if it is a love working to really bad or backfire.

This is just logical thinking but anyways I just posted my point in asking this but I wanted to add this cause I wonder what anyone's thoughts on it is.


Slyscorpion,

I believe you are on to something :). You're right in that it is logical.

Usually we pay the most attention to the Moon, but there are other planets that exist also, and these planets roam around the constellations which are made of stars. These are energies upon energies of each other, so each will have their own meanings and manifestations. This raises the question: certainly other factors can have an influence too!

This field is called electional astrology, because you time workings, projects, undertakings, or whatever, when the planets are adequately situated.

I know this example is not spiritual, but if you want to make a strong ship/boat you would make sure the ASC is strong and fortified, the ruler, and the Moon to be strong. The Moon and other planets related to the matter is swift in motion, or the ruler of the Moon is in water signs free from malefic aspects. If you want to launch ships, make sure the Moon is in Cancer or Taurus, and is angular, along with Jupiter and Venus. See how there's rules on how to do things?

I can't find much examples on how to do spiritual undertakings in other astrological literature. So far we know in spiritual undertakings, the (planetary) hour and the Moon is important. The conditions of the planets are also important, such as detriment or debility, as evidenced by HPS Maxine in JoS. Other things, such as house placements we don't know in detail, except the Sun, when he reaches his height which is the MC. You've written your experience about the planets conjunct stars can indicate success or failure. And the degrees themselves are a little obscure.

We know general rules apply:
For cardinal signs, things will be prone to starting/stopping and reversals. Mutable signs have a tendency to meander and waffle around, modifying things, but finishes eventually. Fixed signs signify permanence, but are difficult to change.
Elements: Water, Fire, Earth, and Air
Void of Course - it tends to not do anything productive.

So it does seem like there's a process to all of this.

Perhaps the more we experiment and detail our experiences, the more we will figure out about ideal placements.

*personal opinions incoming*
Maybe we can exchange ideas of when to start big workings? Perhaps the 12th, if it's witchcraft against the enemies, because it rules hidden enemies. And the 9th for general spiritual undertakings, because it is the house of religion--this house is the temple/joy of the Sun. The Moon, and the ASC are important because we want to be strong to indicate that we are in a good position. As you can see this gets very complicated very quickly. :geek:
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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:05 am

94n wrote:An explanation that was given to me was to think of them as mountains. When Mars heads to the degree of exaltation, he's getting stronger and stronger until he reaches the degree where he is the strongest. For the opposite, think of them as pits: The Sun heading to his degree of fall, is like a planet getting weaker and weaker, until he reaches the degree of the fall, at his weakest.

As for how it works out in the chart with planetary squares, I'm not sure if people know, because this is new territory so far. You're the first person I've seen who asked about it. I hope to see people's answers.
The degrees of exaltations and falls are all very ancient classifications, so their usage is obscure.


What if my sun is in the 8th house don't want to give out too much so I'll give an example in a different degree and sign the same distance apart so you can see what I mean.

9th house cusp let's say 14 09 degrees Capricorn Sun is 13 50 18 degrees Capricorn

This is the same distance my Sun is Away from my 9th house cusp within 10 minutes (or whatever they call it) of a degree but of course for privacy reasons since the enemy is on here I didn't use the same degree or sign but I did use the same minutes as my own sun is. Does this mean my Sun is in my 8th house or 9th house.

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:13 pm

94n wrote:
slyscorpion wrote:Also if you know enough to read a chart even the house the planet is in when you start something or if it's conjunct an angle really help or hurt the working. With the Sun it is really powerful if you do it right in the morning sun hour if your awake when it's Conjunct the Ascendant in the first house. 9th or 10th house is also good for it if you do it in the afternoon I don't think it should be done when the sun is set that is way less powerful in my experience.

Or with Venus the 2nd or 7th house is really powerful or 12th.

I know going into way too many details and stuff but these things can effect it by adding a little power to the working which the more power you have in a working in its favor the better I think.


slyscorpion wrote: Sometimes I think workings can even fail due to it being at a bad degree or Conjunct something bad for it. Like for example moon Saturn or Mars Conjunct Venus or something or even Venus Conjunct Algol closely in taurus even though it is in its home sign this may be really bad and make the working especially if it is a love working to really bad or backfire.

This is just logical thinking but anyways I just posted my point in asking this but I wanted to add this cause I wonder what anyone's thoughts on it is.


Slyscorpion,

I believe you are on to something :). You're right in that it is logical.

Usually we pay the most attention to the Moon, but there are other planets that exist also, and these planets roam around the constellations which are made of stars. These are energies upon energies of each other, so each will have their own meanings and manifestations. This raises the question: certainly other factors can have an influence too!

This field is called electional astrology, because you time workings, projects, undertakings, or whatever, when the planets are adequately situated.

I know this example is not spiritual, but if you want to make a strong ship/boat you would make sure the ASC is strong and fortified, the ruler, and the Moon to be strong. The Moon and other planets related to the matter is swift in motion, or the ruler of the Moon is in water signs free from malefic aspects. If you want to launch ships, make sure the Moon is in Cancer or Taurus, and is angular, along with Jupiter and Venus. See how there's rules on how to do things?

I can't find much examples on how to do spiritual undertakings in other astrological literature. So far we know in spiritual undertakings, the (planetary) hour and the Moon is important. The conditions of the planets are also important, such as detriment or debility, as evidenced by HPS Maxine in JoS. Other things, such as house placements we don't know in detail, except the Sun, when he reaches his height which is the MC. You've written your experience about the planets conjunct stars can indicate success or failure. And the degrees themselves are a little obscure.

We know general rules apply:
For cardinal signs, things will be prone to starting/stopping and reversals. Mutable signs have a tendency to meander and waffle around, modifying things, but finishes eventually. Fixed signs signify permanence, but are difficult to change.
Elements: Water, Fire, Earth, and Air
Void of Course - it tends to not do anything productive.

So it does seem like there's a process to all of this.

Perhaps the more we experiment and detail our experiences, the more we will figure out about ideal placements.

*personal opinions incoming*
Maybe we can exchange ideas of when to start big workings? Perhaps the 12th, if it's witchcraft against the enemies, because it rules hidden enemies. And the 9th for general spiritual undertakings, because it is the house of religion--this house is the temple/joy of the Sun. The Moon, and the ASC are important because we want to be strong to indicate that we are in a good position. As you can see this gets very complicated very quickly. :geek:


I took some time to think of this. People look at moon sign and moon void but don't pay attention if let's say moon is Conjunct something or a star this possibly could have a huge effect on a working. I'd bet some people's workings that have failed they don't realize why. For example this really helped me really quick. I did a working for a Job when Saturn was Conjunct moon in Capricorn I got hired less than two weeks later at the place I am working now. See that helped me cause I realize that Capricorn and Saturn rule the work force and reputation career etc.

Normally people wouldn't think of things like this.

Also moon is on Aries point about 4 times every month and there are all the special degrees too.

I noticed a lot more power to my 40 day working even though it hasn't fully manifested yet but I will do another one later when I started it at moon 0 Aries Jupiter 0 Capricorn it was a money working. Some people would not think about this but things can help or hinder things. Best thing if moon is Conjunct something that doesn't help a working at all don't do it. I have had a lot of success with stuff like this even getting 136 dollars deposited in my bank account at some place I had never even visited lol and never taken out. That was when I did a spell with moon at 0 Cancer and I think conjunct sun but I can't fully remember it was Conjunct something helpful to my working I remember.

So pay attention to this stuff it helps or hurts you I swear it's true from my experiences

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby 94n » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:45 am

slyscorpion wrote:
94n wrote:An explanation that was given to me was to think of them as mountains. When Mars heads to the degree of exaltation, he's getting stronger and stronger until he reaches the degree where he is the strongest. For the opposite, think of them as pits: The Sun heading to his degree of fall, is like a planet getting weaker and weaker, until he reaches the degree of the fall, at his weakest.

As for how it works out in the chart with planetary squares, I'm not sure if people know, because this is new territory so far. You're the first person I've seen who asked about it. I hope to see people's answers.
The degrees of exaltations and falls are all very ancient classifications, so their usage is obscure.


What if my sun is in the 8th house don't want to give out too much so I'll give an example in a different degree and sign the same distance apart so you can see what I mean.

9th house cusp let's say 14 09 degrees Capricorn Sun is 13 50 18 degrees Capricorn

This is the same distance my Sun is Away from my 9th house cusp within 10 minutes (or whatever they call it) of a degree but of course for privacy reasons since the enemy is on here I didn't use the same degree or sign but I did use the same minutes as my own sun is. Does this mean my Sun is in my 8th house or 9th house.


So what happens when it comes to cusps, is that any planet conjunct the cusp will color the matters of the house. So if your 9th house cusp has a very tight conjunction with the Sun, then the Sun will strongly color the matters of the 9th house cusp with solar significations.

Another thing is that the planets move down the signs themselves. The planets move in the opposite direction as the sky, because they go down the zodiac (0 degrees to 30 degrees, unless they're retrograde). So they have motion themselves. So a planet within a degree of a cusp is really in the next house.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Harvey,_Laurence
Check this chart out for an example.

Mercury and Venus look like they're in the 7th house, but they're really not. Because Venus and Mercury travel down the degrees of Scorpio and have their own motion, so they're trying to get to the next house, which is the 8th house. It also conjuncts the 8th house cusp, so 8th house matters are greatly colored by Venus and Mercury.

Keep the orbs very tight, like 1 degree. Make sure your birth time is as accurate as you can be otherwise the cusps will be thrown off and readings will be inaccurate.

Watch this video. It shows rules as to how to approach this. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfgQOecYKLs

I personally go by wide orbs when it comes to angles. And very tight orbs when it comes to succedent and cadent houses, because they're not as powerful as angular ones.

Just see what feels right for you.
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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby 94n » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:54 pm

Slyscorpion,

For the topic on Exaltations and Rulerships, it comes from the seasons. It's also because the ruler of the sign interacts nicely with the exaltation planet.

Jupiter is exalted in Cancer, because he brings winds and storms, and Cancer is the stormiest part of the year. The northernmost sign. That marks the hottest point of the year. Pisces and Sagittarius are ruled by Jupiter because they're considered windy and fecund.

Mars exalts in Capricorn because of the wintry solstice point, and as stated "Mars delights in the southern winds" meaning Mars/Capricorn has a temperamental agreement. Mars becomes more dry and fiery in Capricorn. Mars assigned to Aries and Scorpio because they're the dry seasons of the year which agree to the temperament of Mars (dry and destructive). So this really means they viewed it positively when the weather became stable, as Venus was assigned to Venus ->Taurus (fixed sign).

Sun is fallen in Libra because the Sun diminishes in power, the days starts to get shorter. Sun increases in power during the spring season, Aries. The day starts to get longer.

They put the Moon's exaltations in Taurus because she's coming out from the conjunction of the Sun(in Aries), and starts to increase in light.

Venus is exalted in Pisces, because of the wetness of this time of the year. The snow starts to melt. And Pisces signals that spring is about to start. Pisces is when the weather starts to warm. So it becomes fertile. Venus is a moist planet, which fits the moist sign.

As for Mercury, he exalts in Virgo, because of the dryness of the time of the year, Virgo. Matching his temperament.

This picture will make the relationships obvious with the seasons:

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Solstice/equinox. The slow bodies, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, and Sun are assigned to solstice/equinox. The faster planets are placed around them.
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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:28 am

94n wrote:Slyscorpion,

For the topic on Exaltations and Rulerships, it comes from the seasons. It's also because the ruler of the sign interacts nicely with the exaltation planet.

Jupiter is exalted in Cancer, because he brings winds and storms, and Cancer is the stormiest part of the year. The northernmost sign. That marks the hottest point of the year. Pisces and Sagittarius are ruled by Jupiter because they're considered windy and fecund.

Mars exalts in Capricorn because of the wintry solstice point, and as stated "Mars delights in the southern winds" meaning Mars/Capricorn has a temperamental agreement. Mars becomes more dry and fiery in Capricorn. Mars assigned to Aries and Scorpio because they're the dry seasons of the year which agree to the temperament of Mars (dry and destructive). So this really means they viewed it positively when the weather became stable, as Venus was assigned to Venus ->Taurus (fixed sign).

Sun is fallen in Libra because the Sun diminishes in power, the days starts to get shorter. Sun increases in power during the spring season, Aries. The day starts to get longer.

They put the Moon's exaltations in Taurus because she's coming out from the conjunction of the Sun(in Aries), and starts to increase in light.

Venus is exalted in Pisces, because of the wetness of this time of the year. The snow starts to melt. And Pisces signals that spring is about to start. Pisces is when the weather starts to warm. So it becomes fertile. Venus is a moist planet, which fits the moist sign.

As for Mercury, he exalts in Virgo, because of the dryness of the time of the year, Virgo. Matching his temperament.

This picture will make the relationships obvious with the seasons:

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Solstice/equinox. The slow bodies, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, and Sun are assigned to solstice/equinox. The faster planets are placed around them.


I like everything you say here it's interesting but it says on the JOS that Venus exalts in Aquarius also many who have started mercury Square here including me and other people and other mercury workings feel this is where it's exalted.

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby slyscorpion » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:30 am

Sorry I mean mercury it says Venus at the top that is a mistype I mean mercury is exalted in Aquarius not virgo. However it is really powerful in Virgo no one can deny that but that is it's home sign.

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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby 94n » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:31 am

slyscorpion wrote:Sorry I mean mercury it says Venus at the top that is a mistype I mean mercury is exalted in Aquarius not virgo. However it is really powerful in Virgo no one can deny that but that is it's home sign.


This is what I wanted to start a discussion about. I wonder where Maxine got her information on Mercury's exaltation in Aquarius. It seems like she got it from Astrology books, because many of the webpage's concept references concepts from other authors. Possibly because the view that Mercury lower octave and the higher octave is Uranus, and they re-placed the exaltation sign to fit its lower/higher octave companionship.

Mercury has always been exalted in Virgo, for the past several thousand years, possibly originating from Babylon. It was considered its home and exaltation sign in Virgo. But... this confusing and weird to me. :? How can a sign have exltation and domicile at the same time :? Though, I can see the logic: Mercury's playground are mutable signs and matches the destabilizing nature/influence of Mercury.

There's also someone I know who doesn't view Mercury as having exaltations, but as having two homes, Virgo and Gemini and two detriments, Pisces and Sagittarius, because she views Mercury as neutral and therefore having no preferential treatment (exaltation) in a sign. This is what I agree with the most, but this concept is in general disagreement with the ancient astrologers.

Mercury does have dignity in Aquarius and Libra as triplicity. Traditionally his house of Joy was the 1st house, as the 1st house was considered the house of intellect, speech, and the mind--having Mercury placed there meant it gave him a natural affinity.

Though, there are many astrologers of the ancient world who think natal Mercury in fixed signs are its best position, because it renders the mind stable and capable.
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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby 94n » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:35 am

I have started a Mercury square in Aquarius too. I definitely felt it.
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Re: Exaltation and fall Degrees of planets

Postby 94n » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:38 am

slyscorpion wrote:I like everything you say here it's interesting but it says on the JOS that Venus exalts in Aquarius also many who have started mercury Square here including me and other people and other mercury workings feel this is where it's exalted.


These ideas didn't come from me, but the rationales that form the idea of domiciles and rulerships by the ancient astrologers, which is how we got these concepts and ideas today.

Its fun to think about it and to re-work these. I don't mind tinkering around. :lol:
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