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Shrekelstein said:
sahasrarabliss said:
Lmao. The moment you tell and confess to a woman your interest in her , is the moment of GAME OVER with that woman right there.
Shrekelstein said:
You obviously didn't read the part you quoted in which I refuted what you just said. Either that or you have trouble understanding it. Which part of "it depends of your confidence" you do not understand? I gave examples as well. Pay more attention. Just because you repeat it without reading my rebuttal doesn't make it true.
Quoting your full input here below. I read it and understood what you mean. Please scroll below this msg.
Shrekelstein said:
No such thing happens. There have been done many social experiments where a male model approaches a woman and says the most creepy things and the woman falls in love with him. Whether a woman responds positively or negatively depends on your confidence, appearance and the personality you project. If you feel awkward inside while showing interest in her of course will make her respond negatively.
There are even pickup artists that teach about being a natural instead of any manipulative techniques and show that approaching a woman while being confident and honest can bring positive reactions. You can find many videos of these online.
Shrekelstein said:
it's not a "self-defense mechanism", it's the reading of your aura and overall confidence that makes her respond positively or negatively. Women are more intuitive and read these things better.
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It's not about confidence, personality, appearance or anything else that you've mentioned. It's solely about HOW & WHAT you talk about in the first few minutes after your approach. A woman decides to like and dislike a man even before knowing the man herself.
And self defense mechanism exists in a female mind where woman rejects direct advances from men. What a woman cannot detect, she cannoy resist. If you are approaching a woman with flowers in your hand or without, and revealing your interest or even proposing to her, you are about to face rejection in your face. I can bet a million dollars on this if only I had. Even bet my life on this if possible because I know that's what happens.
I know I won't be able to change your mind about this case anyway, so let's move to the answer to the question I asked earlier below.
Question: So, Imagine now, "You are on a date with a girl. There's a very good chemistry between you both. But then, out of nowhere she says "I hate how fat I am this year".
Now WHAT WOULD YOU REPLY?
1. Would you just shrug her comment off and continue your conversation?
2. Or would you reassure her by saying, "you r not fat at all...what are you talking about?
Shrekelstein said:
The first one of course. Again because someone disagrees with your stupid manipulative tactics doesn't mean he is clueless about how women think. A confident person who understands women would give the first reply as well. And no, it's not manipulative. You already made that strawman before and I addressed it. Scroll up to see my previous reply to you in this thread.
Now please read this carefully without any prior biased perception of your beloved woman of this modern world.
First of all, A woman's insecurity is actually her "default mode" when it comes to men. To be more specific. It's her mother nature-ordained way of screening the men she meets. Subconsciously, she shows men flashes of her insecurity. Then she judges how they respond.
With this little test of her , she can immediately tell if a man is clueless, or a pushover, or a real man.
When she said she hates how fat she was. That's a tiny sign of insecurity and yet, it's still a powerful effective test for her.
Dependings on how you respond, she will know what kind of guy you are.
So if you just continued the conversation like you didn't notice her insecurity (for your first answer where you shrugg her comment off and continue conversing.)
Then she will KNOW that you are a CLUELESS GUY! You are not really sharp with women and she will probably not want to even be friends with you moving forward.
But dude you said it doesn't mean that a man who doesn't respond to her manipulative tactics is a CLUELESS guy. But bro? See what ? That's only in your mind. That's what you think of yourself but NOT HER. :green:
She believes the otherwise. You have to make her believe. Otherwise it's only you thinkin and believing in your mind that you are not a clueless guy. But you made her believe you are with the answer you responded with. It's not her fault, but yours. Because you were incapable and didn't care to tell her in indirect manner that you are not a clueless guy. So how should you respond? Read below.
And if you choose second answer where you reassure her that she is not fat at all, then
Then she will know that you are a "PUSHOVER".
That is and that means, you are easy to control. Since you are a pleaser. She knows she can make you do things and whatever she wants.
So HOW SHOULD YOU RESPOND TO THESE TEST QUESTIONS OF HER??
Well. What women really want in their potential partners is that STRENGTH & DOMINANCE and you don't show it with physical means or with your appearance or commanding women directly or being an arrogant bad cocky guy lul.
It's their deepest need. They want these traits more than security,money, your handsome face,your overall appearance, your social status, your dick size, sex etc.
Strength and dominance that's what they want.
She doesn't want you to make her feel better or ignore her TEST. She wants you to THRILL her like a real man would.
So you pull the plot twist technique, that is, we play back her own test on her and say :
"And I really hate how you are fishing for compliments".
You say this with a knowing smile like you are sharing a secret with her. That's how you should respond.
You didn't give her what she IMPLIED she wants. You gave her what she TRULY wanted from you. You gave her the attention of a strong dominant man who isn't fazed or intimidated by her.
Women will like you more if you choose to respond to their tests this way.
But yes, you might be thinking wouldn't that piss them off?
Ofcourse. Then if you reacted in a weak submissive way by apologizing afterwards, you FAIL her test!!!
And if you ever apologized to a woman after she got mad, then that's what you happens. She tested you and you failed....and she moves to next man. Do you understand??
If a woman threatens to leave you afterwards you respond like that, then you respond in a strong dominant way "hey relax, you started it, and if she threatens to leave...shrug and tell okay, see you around".
Making a woman fall in love with you is all about HOW & WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT WITH A WOMAN and how long can you keep her attention on you.
Women's attention span is unforgivingly short.
If you can hold a woman's attention for long enough, she will probably fall in love with you - Derek.
Regardless of how useless man you are, it won't matter to her because she cannot see this or don't want or isn't even interested to see this because?
Because what matters to her is her feelings. How she feels for you , how you made her feel.
This is why and how Derek Rake helped most men get their wives back in their arms even after a bad divorce. Helped them get their ex back when they broke up in the most worst way you can imagine.
His method gives men an upper hand in dating world and relationship. Women had have an upper hand in relationship for centuries. Because men didn't have a fucking clue how their mind worked. Only few had.
You cannot win over your enemy if you don't know enough about your enemy.
Now apply this to dating world and women?
It's never primarily about your looks or your intellect. But manipulative communication which she uses against you and then you turn it back onto her to win her.
And if you dont do that, then she will leave you and move onto next man and play her tests on him to find out if he is the one she is looking for lul. And then don't tell me that women are b*tcheds and stupid if you don't use this manipulative methods right back onto them.
They are not stupid. The men who don't have any clue about the female mind workings, are stupid and are the victims of manipulation done by the women. The women are the cleverest creatures. Yet the man is more clever in this case and gets an upper hand when he decides to work with how the female mind works and wants from him.
You have to make her suffer psychologically/emotionally & give pleasure for her own need of drama, for her own sake, for your own sake and for your relationship sake with her. A man needs to balance between giving pleasure and emotional rollercoaster to her woman to keep her as long as he wants.
Shrekelstein said:
If you think she suffers if you give the first reply then you don't understand women. Women sometimes talk to express their feelings. It doesn't mean they are hurt when they express something negative.
I don't think that. Making her suffer emotionally doesn't take that. But something that is very unharmful to her. It's stupidly simple yet the most unharmful way. Making her emotionaly suffer is imperative.
Doesn't she suffer emotionally when she watches drama series or read novels yet she gets pleasure from such activities? That's the kind of emotional suffering I'm talking about.
But it goes beyond just that.
So when I said in my oldest replies to this thread that a man can turn any woman unit a Harley Quinn type of girl for him, I didn't lie or exaggerate that statement. But it's not wise and safe for a man doing so and probably not even safe for the woman either
But we just touch lower level of the Harley Quinn model, where they are not harmful to themselves and not to me as a man either. A happy married life afterwards where you have a solution for your Woman needs.
Shrekelstein said:
You can't guarantee whether a woman will stay with you for ever, no matter what you do, whether you manipulate her or not. It's best to realize it now rather than to get disappointed later when she ditches you even if you used all the manipulative advice you have read on a book that someone who wants to make quick cash wrote.
Depending on a woman to make you happy is the worst you can do for yourself. You obviously think that if you can manipulate a woman good enough you'll make her yours forever and therefore you'll will be happy forever. But it doesn't work that way at all. You may even get bored of her after 1 day of being with her. Either way, this entire line of reasoning is flawed. Not just a woman, but all other people in general. If you depend on other people and their approval to make you happy you'll suffer a lot.
The most ironic thing is if you don't care about female approval and you don't base your happiness on a woman or a relationship then suddenly more women will begin to like you. You won't need to do any manipulative thing at all, they will just come to you. That has to do with the confidence thing I said before. If you are desperate, no matter how hard you try to hide it and how many manipulative techniques you use, a woman can sense it and you'll turn her off.
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With this Method, you can keep your woman as long as you wish and guarantee that she will live with you forever. That's all I have to say. Jo arguments here because you won't believe. So it's futile to argue anymore in this topic now. We should close this now.
And btw, I didn't talk about those kind of nice guys. I talk about those nice guys who genuinely love a woman, approaches her with flowers in hand do without and proposes her like a real honest man they are like in old times. I didn't mean those submissive nice type of guys who want to get in the pants of a woman by being a pleaser.
I'd rather have flowers or something that I can use or eat rather than useless statues or something that'd just end up cluttering up the space. 
