Due to the rise in anti-abortion laws, women are answering with sterilisation

Stop sending millions of dollars to israel and the United Nations and NATO and start investing in raising those unwanted children.

Roe v. Wade needs to be protected. Abortion is very loosely connected to this, but the actual case and ruling is not about abortion at all. It is about medical privacy, and it is to say that nobody has the right to demand access to your personal medical history.

What a shitty piece of leftist propaganda that was just allowed here. If women don’t want to have kids then there is birth control and many other things to mitigate it. I don’t have a problem with abortion in America because it keeps the non-white population levels from exploding. Everywhere else it should be allowed only if the fetus is disabled or some other eugenic purpose. You just came here like Mageson to proclaim social Marxism except atleast he was subtle about it.

Thanks for the low quality first post for everybody to see. Really great start to this civil discussion I was hoping to have. Whether you believe me or not, all birth control will be under threat for both sexes if we allow this assault on human rights to continue. You think they will truly just stop at abortion? If you don't see how these things are an issue then I don't know what to tell you. I really should have elaborated on this point more. This is why we cannot let it happen. It's bigger than "are you anti-abortion or not" or "why do women abort" etc.

In germany a wommen can abort if the child is up to 3 month old, up to 6 month if I remember right is only ok in case of rape, health problem for the mother, or psychological problems. Anyone killing/abort after this time a baby is going to jail.
The unborn child has rights, is defined as a living person after the 6 month.

This is how most of the countries in the world do it. I think I would agree with this rule, I think it is fair.
Other than America, there are only 6 other countries that are so extremely loose in how old they will allow to be aborted. There are 5 countries in Asia, Netherlands, and USA. And the hundreds of other countries in the world all agree that it is wrong.

But the biggest problem would be to change people's perspective to stop thinking that abortion is the same thing as a condom. There are charities that will send you condoms in the mail for free, but somehow that is too difficult and even $0 is too much money for a condom. But an abortion that costs thousands of dollars is easier and is not too expensive?

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too.

What about the human rights of the child you are murdering? I'm sure he would have loved to live a long, fulfilling, productive life.

And what part is personal responsibility related to this? Or that does not matter? Anybody can buy condoms for just a few cents each, and condoms are given out for free in many places. There is no excuse.

A condom can burst-> condom + anti baby pill is adviced.
A wommen can get sick, puke, etc, anti baby pill effect is gone. Some medicine does work against it also.

Better have 2 layers of protection.

There is also the option of copper implants, who do kill the sperms. Last like half a jear.

I do not know, which is less harmfull for the body, copper or anti baby pill hormones.

In case you did not read:

In germany a wommen can abort if the child is up to 3 month old, up to 6 month if I remember right is only ok in case of rape, health problem for the mother, or psychological problems. Anyone killing/abort after this time a baby is going to jail.
The unborn child has rights, is defined as a living person after the 6 month.

Roe v. Wade needs to be protected. Abortion is very loosely connected to this, but the actual case and ruling is not about abortion at all. It is about medical privacy, and it is to say that nobody has the right to demand access to your personal medical history.

Roe V Wade was a scam. The entire ruling is false because the child in that case was never aborted and recently came out.

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A girl I was with for years, and had unprotected sex with for an equally long time (I had strong pullout game), took it one day when I accidentally came inside and we weren't sure if she'd get pregnant from it and we didn't want to risk it as we were in no position to have kids yet.

There is no thing as safe pull out game, there is something called:

Pleasure/lust drop.

It does flow out even before you come, can pregnage a wommen. You were extremly lucky or you/ or your girlfriend has/had reproduction problems.

I agree a morning after pill is preferred over abortion, since it occurs immediately after, however it cannot be called safe in my opinion, as the pill is extremely invasive and very harmful to the body as a whole to take.

A girl I was with for years, and had unprotected sex with for an equally long time (I had strong pullout game), took it one day when I accidentally came inside and we weren't sure if she'd get pregnant from it and we didn't want to risk it as we were in no position to have kids yet.

The effect was absolutely awful on her. Basically the worst menstrual pains imaginable. She was completely incapacitated for the whole day, and I'm so much pain she could only groan while laying cramped up on the bed.

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I did once meet a girl who were falsely given a vaccine instead of anti báby pill injection (lasts like 3 months), she got pregnant had to abort, she did tell me she still thinks to the this day about the baby and if it was the right decision to do.

You can´t say a abortion is less harmfull, then taking the morning after pill.

On a side note if a girl takes the anti baby pill, she should choose the one were she still has her period once in a month.
On this way she knows if she is pregnant and it is much more healthy then not having a period like half a jear, some have by taking the pill without period break.

orphanage or whatever, those children are at a disadvantage.

Fostar child was a result of that, we don't need that :lol:

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Lydia, as a very wise and Satanic woman, what is your opinion on various kinds of birth control available for woman?

Things like anticonception pill, IUD, implant variant, and whatever?

I've spoken to different woman about this, and many have said they had negative experiences with most that they tried.

I don't know much about it, aside from the fact that the pill and implant variant can have long term side effects and can mess with the hormones in a harmful way, though I don't know how serious the detriment can really be.

I'd be interested in your opinion and understanding of this, if you want to share anything.

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too. Having you on our side is a huge win for us women and is a huge step in the right direction. If you're already on board, thank you.

Do you support financial abortions (Legal Paternal Surrender) for men too? If not, I have zero reasons to be interested. It's pretty hypocritical to demand that women have abortions for no serious reasons while forcing a man who is tricked/baby trapped/spermjacked to pay child support for a child that he didn't want to have or else go to jail. There are zero states/countries that support LPS yet I haven't seen anyone complain about that and work to change it. I'll tell you what: i'll care about abortion only if pro-abortion activists work to change the laws to establish LPS for ment in addition to abortion for women. Otherwise they are hypocrites.

If you reply to this "stop being a manbaby and use a condom" then it's fair to reply "stop being a womanbaby and use birth control" whenever a woman complains about abortion. If you bring up "the rights of the child" in response to this, why do the rights of the child not matter in the case of abortion?

If you bring up "the rights of the child" in response to this, why do the rights of the child not matter in the case of abortion?

They do not matter in case of timely abortion, because there is no child to give any rights to at that point.

I have mentioned multiple times in this post, and it has been explained by HP Zevios as well on the subject, the child isn't yet a living human being with an incarnated soul at the early stages of pregnancy (up to 3-4 months).

Thus there is no rights to be considered, since nothing has fully manifested yet. There is no consciousness, and if it is aborted at that stage, no soul is harmed since no soul has attached to the body yet or fully manifested to where it can be considered an incarnated human being.

Therefore, it is not yet a child, and not requiring of any rights, as it doesn't exist in a state where rights have any relevance or meaning to it.

Only after the soul attaches and incarnated into the body (which behinds to take place around 4 months of pregnancy, and is fully complete at 5 months of pregnancy), is the fetus a fully fledged incarnated soul and the small fetus has a semblance of consciousness as well.

It is at this point where anything like abortion is harmful to the soul that incarnated into the growing fetus, as aborting it would kill the body which the soul has connected to.

At that point the rights of the unborn child are to be considered, though even then, the connection is relatively loose until after 6 months, and a soul can detach successfully without too much harm done if something happens to the fetus (accident, abortion, what have you).

In case of a rape victim going for a late abortion, it can therefore be argued that up to 6 months may be acceptable, though definitely not good by any means for the unborn child.

HAIL ZEUS!

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Lydia, as a very wise and Satanic woman, what is your opinion on various kinds of birth control available for woman?

Things like anticonception pill, IUD, implant variant, and whatever?

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I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

Something to keep in mind though, if people had better communication and relationship skills and weren't so brainwashed, then most people would be getting married and having families in their 20's, instead of still in the 30's looking for abortions because they got impregnated from a random drunken hookup.

One of the leading arguments against abortion is that it is killing an unborn child. A fetus, in the first few months, is not a child, there is no soul in it, not until around 5 months and later. As Voice of Enki has explained, and HP Zevios has also mentioned previously.

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

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Thank you for your reply.

The point you made at the end is indeed also very important.

As for natural methods, this may not be applicable to all people, as it requires significant mind power, but I had the thought conception can be prevented by having it in mind strongly that one does not want to conceive with whomever they have sex with in cases where they do not want to conceive with a partner, in combination with ejaculating outside.

The mind itself directing the causality away from any causal outcomes where conception occurs after sex.

Or have it in mind that conception fails even if the conditions would make it happen (let it be expelled or removed by the body similar to a morning after pill, but naturally as it happens in cases of a failed conception, without any of the side effects an invasive pill has on the body), in cases where you do not want it to occur.

I also had the thought that one can estimate the probability of conception in case one has unprotected sex, ahead of time, and decide accordingly what to do. Then with enough mind power, the causal outcome can be directed away from conception.

The inverse also being applicable in case one wants to conceive, to allow one full control over when or if one wants to conceive or not, and if one wants, to let it occur as one desires.

Since the way souls merge during intercourse and at the moment of conception plays such a huge role in successfully conceiving, I had the feeling that one with great mind power and spiritual understanding can have significant or even full control over this process, allowing one among other things to have sex without need for physical anti-conception methods or worry of any kind related to this.

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I meant that more from the perspective of someone who wants to have sex to satisfy this need, but who for various reasons doesn't want to have children yet.

For someone who is looking to have fulfilling sex without any strings attached.

There can be reasons one may want this, and in these cases, if one has the spiritual capability, this method can be applicable.

As for conflicting interests, what the lesser, unspiritual person wants or feels is insignificant, and brushed aside effortlessly. The one with power is the one in control here (real power, not imaginary domination).

Between advanced people, there are many other considerations to make here, and this method may either be ignored or be even more effective if both are on the same page.

If there are conflicting interests, the advanced people will not get together and have sex in the first place, as there is no reason to get in each other's way.

Relationships between advanced people are easy, as both understand each other and there is deep wisdom.

Things like this are trivial worries that are easily resolved between them, and the perspective they have on these things is also infinitely more expansive than the average person, so it doesn't really apply here.

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

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Thank you for your reply.

The point you made at the end is indeed also very important.

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I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

To be fair, reading about the oppressingly tone of "women must take contraception" at the start of this topic, without even knowing what it does.. Seems to me to also be highly irresponsible of the men, not to mention the sense of being completely insensitive to the topic at hand.

The Birth Control pill has many side effects. Though they are considered mild by modern science , the fact still stands that long term use quite often to not being able to become pregnant at all. The thing to "take time off from it" isn't just "one month". It can take anywhere from months to years to ween off the effect, not to mention your body does have a hard time having normal regular periods also.
To some it never returns to what it was.
Having studied some herbalism, yes there is a herbal method to help normalize this.

Do you seriously think that something so harmful should be taken? If it was you on that end of the stick "lets make birth control pill for men so they won't produce sperm".. how many of you would actually take it?!

I bet you'd be thinking "This is unnatural and unhealthy I am not taking it." Yet you are promoting this shit your partners?!

I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

Lydia, perhaps books on midwifery contain the information you seek. There were entire books written on female complaints specificly, even during the medieval period.

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What I was mostly promoting was condoms. I said that I don't like those pills and I think they are dangerous for most people. But there are many different kinds of options with new ones being invented all the time. More safe options are being created.

And I also tried to make it very clear that I would blame both parents equally, the woman and the man were both being irresponsible. Since both of them are doing half of the work.

Yes, that stance is undeniably synonymous with Westboro and xtians in general. What fantastic organisations to stand next to and shout in protest. Jesus would be proud. 🙄 But people can do whatever they want.
I must admit to you personally, that I did not expect - at all - such an overwhelmingly strong opposition to what I had posted. Part of me did not think it would be posted at all. I was so overwhelmed (and maybe a little bit disappointed) I had to physically rest on the first day. I do realise this subject can be very political, and perhaps even personal. I wondered why I did it for a while after. But looking at the thread now, a few days later, and after some spiritual speculation, I have a little more hope, and I'm glad I did it.