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SATchives

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https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/pjmkak/protonmail_deletes_we_dont_log_your_ip_boast_from/

not to sure on details of the french story but,

cleary protonmail lies and does log your IP

"ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' boast from website after French climate activist reportedly arrested"

I'll have to switch to something else. im usually always connected to a vpn, but I went with them because they claimed to not log, but obviously they do. if they didn't log then the authorities wouldn't have anything to get from the company. because there would be .... no logs. stripping our privacy away one layer at a time.
 
Here is an article that talks about it and suggests other solutions.

Translation from:
https://democratie-participative.biz/a-propos-de-protonmail/

"The day before yesterday, a far-left organization revealed that Protonmail had given the French cops the IP address of an account created by a Parisian activist.

The problem is that Protonmail claimed not to collect IPs "by default". This ambiguous wording made us think that there was no log. In fact, there can be logs if the Swiss authorities ask for them, which happened here after a request from the French cops via Europol.

This is a problem when you live on French territory and you are a political opponent, the French government repressing more and more brutally any form of protest, even peaceful.
If you systematically use a VPN or Tor, or both at the same time, it doesn't matter. The problem is that people are lazy or lazy and generally don't take these kinds of measures seriously.

In the abstract, Protonmail can still be used, provided you use a VPN or the Tor Browser with your Tor onion when you create your account. But it seems that this second option is particularly ineffective because this company has not sought to rigorously develop this capability.

For those of you with a Protonmail address, there's no reason to be particularly concerned, especially if you're browsing with a VPN or Tor. The cops have to request surveillance of a specific address and the only thing they can get is the IP address of the account. Not the content of emails sent or received.

Of course, you don't have to go for the paid offer so that your payment information is not disclosed.

So much for the technical dimension.

On the substance, Protonmail has vaguely lied by omission. The company assures its customers that its model doesn't keep IPs when it has them if the EU cops ask. Protonmail should be punished for that, for hiding from the target person that he or she was the subject of such surveillance and for not explicitly saying that the company, although Swiss, had subordinated itself to Europol's orders - and not just to the Swiss authorities.

As a matter of principle, we decided to leave Protonmail for the encrypted mailbox Ctemplar, located in Iceland, using the Tor protocol.

We invite people who want to change their email address to do the same, especially people who are active in the field.

Ask for an invitation code ( [email protected] ). It takes about 12 hours to receive one.

Download and launch the Tor Browser before logging into their onion to create an account.

You can import all of your contacts after downloading them from your old mailbox.

After that, you should never, under any circumstances, log into your Ctemplar account with a regular browser. The idea is that in case of a request from the French cops, Ctemplar will only be able to provide an unusable IP generated by Tor. When you check your email, you open the Tor browser, connect to the Ctemplar onion, and that's it.

In addition, you can use the online chat service Session Messenger, which runs on Tor. It doesn't require an email address or phone number to sign up. You get a login that you give to others to find you on the network.

You can also use Ricochet Refresh to receive ultra-secure messages. There are no logs, no metadata, nothing is kept. It also works on Tor. Again, you give your email id to the person you want to chat with.

Remember, you're not there to make the cops' or the Jews' job easier."
 
SATchives said:
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/pjmkak/protonmail_deletes_we_dont_log_your_ip_boast_from/

not to sure on details of the french story but,

cleary protonmail lies and does log your IP

"ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' boast from website after French climate activist reportedly arrested"

I'll have to switch to something else. im usually always connected to a vpn, but I went with them because they claimed to not log, but obviously they do. if they didn't log then the authorities wouldn't have anything to get from the company. because there would be .... no logs. stripping our privacy away one layer at a time.

Actually people here need to stop talking about what kind of services they use. Remember, they watch these forums all the time, and I don't think it's some casual idf trolls, it's the committed ones, who are corrupt to the very core who hate us and humanity. The services that you use become useless the day they are mentioned here in these forums. They have the purchasing power, sooner or later they would buy off whatever services you mention here, to legally access the data stored by the company/service. I've been telling this, but it seems no one really cares. I also did the mistake, I also mentioned a service/company, but haven't used it after realizing my mistake.

No such thing as no log, data is the new oil, no one is going to give up on that so easily. The only thing is that, your data is encrypted by your vpn service, which is why it is able to bypass the restrictions put by the government or hide your data from your isp and the government and any third party, but it later gets decrypted by the vpn server to access the requested command/information[encryption key]. It is upto the service, whether they log that decrypted data or not. It takes an honest man to make a true vpn service, which I doubt exist in this jew infested world. Same thing for the emails.
 
You should take it for granted they log anything. No doubt, Protonmail would do that too. The most they can do is "log less" than let's say Google.

There is nothing that can really "protect" in regards to e-mails especially. The only thing that is possibly a valid statement from Protonmail, is that it encrypts Protonmail to Protonmail.

Express VPN as another also commented has been bought by Israel.

When you sit on a computer, you must assume that all info can be seen. Also, it is doubtful anyone would have to worry about anything [this happens everywhere at this point], if you don't do anything illegal.

The activists there, were Communists and other news say they had engaged into all sorts of weird shit such as occupying private properties. This appears to be way further than simply "Protonmail doxxed poor activist". But one could easily assume that Protonmail would even do that too, simply because one can never be 100% sure.
 
Nikois666 said:
SATchives said:
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/pjmkak/protonmail_deletes_we_dont_log_your_ip_boast_from/

not to sure on details of the french story but,

cleary protonmail lies and does log your IP

"ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' boast from website after French climate activist reportedly arrested"

I'll have to switch to something else. im usually always connected to a vpn, but I went with them because they claimed to not log, but obviously they do. if they didn't log then the authorities wouldn't have anything to get from the company. because there would be .... no logs. stripping our privacy away one layer at a time.

Actually people here need to stop talking about what kind of services they use. Remember, they watch these forums all the time, and I don't think it's some casual idf trolls, it's the committed ones, who are corrupt to the very core who hate us and humanity. The services that you use become useless the day they are mentioned here in these forums. They have the purchasing power, sooner or later they would buy off whatever services you mention here, to legally access the data stored by the company/service. I've been telling this, but it seems no one really cares. I also did the mistake, I also mentioned a service/company, but haven't used it after realizing my mistake.

No such thing as no log, data is the new oil, no one is going to give up on that so easily. The only thing is that, your data is encrypted by your vpn service, which is why it is able to bypass the restrictions put by the government or hide your data from your isp and the government and any third party, but it later gets decrypted by the vpn server to access the requested command/information[encryption key]. It is upto the service, whether they log that decrypted data or not. It takes an honest man to make a true vpn service, which I doubt exist in this jew infested world. Same thing for the emails.
thats real doom and gloom outlook, I believe in humanity, I think there are honest men out there, and decent VPN's

Yeah after spending all day looking and researching email services basically all do or will start to log your ip if the law makes them. so it's the laws

There are quite a few services that don't keep your data.

however protonmail was mentioned multiple times on old forums and this forum over the past years. not sure if its instant useless. and sometimes you cannot avoid sharing it.

I just think we should pay attention to the fact that protonmail took down the "we don't log your ip", instead of we log your ip when the courts make us, like how


this company says

" Does -- log IP addresses or can I use my encrypted mailbox anonymously?
By default, we do not log IP addresses when you log in or when you send an email. The IP addresses of sent and received emails are stripped so that your location remains unknown.

We only log IP addresses of individual accounts in case of serious criminal acts such as murder, child pornography, robbery, bomb threats and blackmail after being served a valid court order by a -- judge. You can find details on this as well as on -- data protection rights on our blog.

Learn on our blog how -- fights illegal mass surveillance by providing an anonymous email service. Upon registration you do not need to provide any personal data (e.g. no phone number required). We will also make it possible to pay for -- with Bitcoin."

took names out incase you're right and the jews are so all powerful that the second something gets mentioned on this forum its ruined.
 
SATchives said:
cleary protonmail lies and does log your IP

"ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' boast from website after French climate activist reportedly arrested"

I'll have to switch to something else. im usually always connected to a vpn, but I went with them because they claimed to not log, but obviously they do. if they didn't log then the authorities wouldn't have anything to get from the company. because there would be .... no logs. stripping our privacy away one layer at a time.
You can simply `block` their attempts by using Tor, so they won't know your IP, or even better if you use Tor together with a VPN which is far better and safer than using Tor alone.
 
I didnt know they where communist. And makes sense to catch criminals. I just worry when they start calling us law abiding citizens criminals. Im in a paranoid mindset right now. I hate this dystopian 1984 we are getting close too. I'll just do best to focus on my advancement and rtrs.
 
If you want a private e-mail or a vpn, you have to create it yourself. Even then, it is connected to internet so there are risks.
 
The Alchemist7 said:
SATchives said:
cleary protonmail lies and does log your IP

"ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' boast from website after French climate activist reportedly arrested"

I'll have to switch to something else. im usually always connected to a vpn, but I went with them because they claimed to not log, but obviously they do. if they didn't log then the authorities wouldn't have anything to get from the company. because there would be .... no logs. stripping our privacy away one layer at a time.
You can simply `block` their attempts by using Tor, so they won't know your IP, or even better if you use Tor together with a VPN which is far better and safer than using Tor alone.

Yeah i always have my vpn going or am using tor. It just bothered me more than usual and made a post i probably didnt need too.
 
SATchives said:
Yeah i always have my vpn going or am using tor. It just bothered me more than usual and made a post i probably didnt need too.
It is very useful for those who have been using protonmail without a vpn or tor. Hopefully members doing this saw your message and will take measures to prevent in the future. In my opinion a good VPN + Tor together is the best combination as they offset each other's privacy and anonimity issues.
 
SATchives said:
Nikois666 said:
SATchives said:
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/pjmkak/protonmail_deletes_we_dont_log_your_ip_boast_from/

not to sure on details of the french story but,

cleary protonmail lies and does log your IP

"ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' boast from website after French climate activist reportedly arrested"

I'll have to switch to something else. im usually always connected to a vpn, but I went with them because they claimed to not log, but obviously they do. if they didn't log then the authorities wouldn't have anything to get from the company. because there would be .... no logs. stripping our privacy away one layer at a time.

Actually people here need to stop talking about what kind of services they use. Remember, they watch these forums all the time, and I don't think it's some casual idf trolls, it's the committed ones, who are corrupt to the very core who hate us and humanity. The services that you use become useless the day they are mentioned here in these forums. They have the purchasing power, sooner or later they would buy off whatever services you mention here, to legally access the data stored by the company/service. I've been telling this, but it seems no one really cares. I also did the mistake, I also mentioned a service/company, but haven't used it after realizing my mistake.

No such thing as no log, data is the new oil, no one is going to give up on that so easily. The only thing is that, your data is encrypted by your vpn service, which is why it is able to bypass the restrictions put by the government or hide your data from your isp and the government and any third party, but it later gets decrypted by the vpn server to access the requested command/information[encryption key]. It is upto the service, whether they log that decrypted data or not. It takes an honest man to make a true vpn service, which I doubt exist in this jew infested world. Same thing for the emails.
thats real doom and gloom outlook, I believe in humanity, I think there are honest men out there, and decent VPN's
I don't want to discourage anyone. You are actually right, honest men exist out there. But how many of those honest men own a VPN service?

I wanted to add more to this reply, but I think it would be considered as helping jews, and I don't want to do that. If shit ever hits the fan, SS with common sense and rationality are the only ones who will survive, because not even the Gods can stop someone from being stupid. Not just the SS but the people in general who don't want to become borgs.

Lets hope and work on preventing that day.
Good luck : )
 
Nikois666 said:
SATchives said:
Nikois666 said:
Actually people here need to stop talking about what kind of services they use. Remember, they watch these forums all the time, and I don't think it's some casual idf trolls, it's the committed ones, who are corrupt to the very core who hate us and humanity. The services that you use become useless the day they are mentioned here in these forums. They have the purchasing power, sooner or later they would buy off whatever services you mention here, to legally access the data stored by the company/service. I've been telling this, but it seems no one really cares. I also did the mistake, I also mentioned a service/company, but haven't used it after realizing my mistake.

No such thing as no log, data is the new oil, no one is going to give up on that so easily. The only thing is that, your data is encrypted by your vpn service, which is why it is able to bypass the restrictions put by the government or hide your data from your isp and the government and any third party, but it later gets decrypted by the vpn server to access the requested command/information[encryption key]. It is upto the service, whether they log that decrypted data or not. It takes an honest man to make a true vpn service, which I doubt exist in this jew infested world. Same thing for the emails.
thats real doom and gloom outlook, I believe in humanity, I think there are honest men out there, and decent VPN's
I don't want to discourage anyone. You are actually right, honest men exist out there. But how many of those honest men own a VPN service?

I wanted to add more to this reply, but I think it would be considered as helping jews, and I don't want to do that. If shit ever hits the fan, SS with common sense and rationality are the only ones who will survive, because not even the Gods can stop someone from being stupid. Not just the SS but the people in general who don't want to become borgs.

Lets hope and work on preventing that day.
Good luck : )


I have made mistakes and at times probably revealed to much information here on the forums, common sense and a healthy amount of caution is something all dedicated SS need and need reminding of right now. Thanks for your comments, thanj you for lookimg out for my safety, and giving me a swift reminder, I sometimes feel too safe on these forums.

lets work hard together
&
Good luck too you as well Brother
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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