Gentiles who have a really bad natal chart with strong tendencies towards misfortune and disasters. People who are very violent or insane ecc. All of this is in their soul. But did they deserve to end up there? Or it just happened?

WiseDragon said:

Gentiles who have a really bad natal chart with strong tendencies towards misfortune and disasters. People who are very violent or insane ecc. All of this is in their soul. But did they deserve to end up there? Or it just happened?

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Imagine a kid who grew up in an abusive environment, their parents were alcoholic, into shitty things etc. This would show in their chart as Saturn, Neptune maybe Mars inflections in the chart + 4th/8th/12th house involvement of planets like this. These planets in certain arrangements are beneficial for people in things like discipline (which manifests firstly as restrictive situations in one's personal life) and also tendency to spirituality, dreaming of better situations (of Neptune) and whatnot which is key for someone in those situations, to create this dream and go after it.

People who don't have this cursed sort of pressure will have it easier, but have to rely on their own sense of assertion, which wanes when someone is more privileged and can get what they want easier. When you are spoon-fed you don't appreciate the work others have to put in to achieve the same high life quality, which is synonymous with why the Gods don't just lift up people who think they are going to spoon feed them but only if they are serious about actually progressing. Spoon feeding destroys assertion, unless you're a baby. The way in which fortune (which is of Jupiter) does manifest though will usually come through the family who have laboured before the individual, bought a house and have enough money to pay for higher education, mobile phones etc. etc. Which they themselves couldn't initially afford. The other more refined and elusive way this manifests is luck in general in someone's whole provenance, a person that never experiences the crap of life- to starve, to be beaten up etc. Because they always seem to find what they need in their city or town even if their family is not so wealthy, or helpful for them. They always manage to dodge trouble like the description of Sun or Mars in Sagittarius being "bailed out of even drastic situations"
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SUN.html
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/MARS.html

Our kid may have some of this type of energy going on as well.

When it comes to people who don't have things so easy this is to do with what exactly both their family, and the society/community/nation around them have both achieved to benefit the life of the individual before they were alive (which reflects in the chart). In the case of someone with a poor family in their natal provenance, they may still benefit in such a way as it turns out the government had instated some type of socialist programs which go on to aid this person when they first go to public school etc. Also if other things go on in their more immediate environment, the town they live in, which helps them in this subtle way through 'luck'. People in the same town who's families don't dream of richness because they are already rich will not go to the local library and study books for example because they think they are secure, meanwhile our kid is expanding his mind and spending his time usefully because he wants to achieve this and move on from his family's poverty. And ultimately he/she will supercede the wealthy people in their own community because they actually had a stronger drive and reason to put the work in due to being pressured by their reality and the lack of a legacy their family provided which could secure them. Such people have to work in jobs and such already from day one to provide for the household and so forth, so they also won't suffer from being out of touch with reality, or slobs. The rich family who never worked properly a day in their life because they inherited wealth, eventually lose everything and has to live on the same street as our kid used to, and will surely perish unless someone in that family heeds their reality and starts working.

This is how Saturn and Jupiter work in this specific conceptualisation


With regards to people who are very violent or insane, I would say that this is not understood exactly yet in modern terms and can't be explained in a similar way as above as it deals with the raw principles of energy and how it creates and regenerates a person's mind. Potential to insanity and whatnot- only shows in a chart and it is only certain insanity or mental disorder if combined with other factors which show a more certain potential to the point of "okay 100% this person is going to have issues which are overt" (and if there are transits to happen which will activate this insanity which the person or people who are aware of this person's chart should watch out for when those transits happen). I think if this person is educated enough, meditates and has a strong awareness then insanity loses its role here as a term because the same way what is regarded as insanity is seen in a chart is the same way spiritual and psychic strength is seen in a chart. People who are gonna be violent because they have a prominent Mars or Pluto may not be violent at all if they develop similarly, as the indications of those planets then just become focused energy as opposed to traumas.

Actual insanity in a chart is more specific than above, its a whole load of stuff seen together and thus quite uncommon. Just having planets in the 12th house for example making you insane means that 30-50% of people on Earth are insane. Whats more realistic here is that 30-50% of people have noted hidden traumas of from oversensitivity which 12th house planets cause, actual insanity in Earth's population is more like less than 1 or 2% with a lot of those institutionalised being literally just 12th house type people being misunderstood by modern science psychologists. Not all of these people will have serious issues and if they do they will be secret and not overt like a schizoid serial killer level.

Does anyone really deserve it?


~65 million years ago, when asteroid hit the Yucatan peninsula, was that really fair? Did dinosaurs really deserve such destiny?


It looks to me that this Universe doesn't care about being compassionate. It's just what it is. And all of us have either to fight to ensure our survival, or slowly wither away and disappear.

Perhaps they did something in a previous life, or lives, which they hadn't fixed in a life in-between, which caused them to be in this situation now. Maybe as a punishment/difficult learning curve from Satan/the Gods/Goddesses, or as a natural karmic... 'retaliation', if you will, by/from the Universe in order to create balance. Did we, or a defenceless little Child, deserve to be "punished" by the jew - raped, tortured, damaged, destroyed, murdered?

FancyMancy said:

Perhaps they did something in a previous life, or lives, which they hadn't fixed in a life in-between, which caused them to be in this situation now. Maybe as a punishment/difficult learning curve from Satan/the Gods/Goddesses, or as a natural karmic... 'retaliation', if you will, by/from the Universe in order to create balance. Did we, or a defenceless little Child, deserve to be "punished" by the jew - raped, tortured, damaged, destroyed, murdered?

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If this is the case, then I gotta wonder how much of a dick I was in a past life to earn such a prominent ass, Saturn-ass Saturn.

I lean towards Larissa's take on the matter, but whether it's just the universe being what it is or karmic retaliation for me being an asshole, I try to glean what positives and strengths I can from unfortunate placements. It's like how 13th_Wolf said about there being benefits from certain aspects and House placements. Like Mars/Neptune aspects giving a talent for spiritual affairs, even if this aspect also weakens the will and bestows a defeatist attitude. Sublimation through meditation and awareness is the key to success in these matters.

The universe, all in all, doesn't give a single solitary fuck. If you wanna view that as suffering for the sake of character development, so be it. But suffering because you did something in a previous life, if that's true, then tell me what the fuck did I do?! Was I the one who flew the goddamn Enola Gay? Or was I doing raids with Genghis Khan, and massacred a fuckton of people across the entire continent of Asia? Karmic retribution, the universe doesn't recognize good or evil, it just was, is, and will be.

What about effects of past lives based on South Node/North Node?

So basically what did I do in my past life or lives that like Powstanie said gives such effects. I'm sure there is a "natural karmic punishment" not because the Universe works like that but of the enemy.

For example it's been mentioned growing up in an abusive home. Well if non of the enemy garbage happened how would we be raised to counter-effect the negatives of our chart.

For example I recall recently seeing a video of an astrologer speaking about Leo people. And the funny thing is she said avoiding giving them love, respect, and affection hurts Leos a lot. In other words it's not a matter of spoiling the child particularly the Leo aspect of their chart you should provide them with love and affection like any other child to counter-act the negatives of Leo.

So if your Saturnian in nature like Powstanie then maybe having a proper eugenically sound and spiritual society subverts the natural effects of the astrological Universal effects. That's my 2 cents on the subject.

For example say your chart shows a very weak Saturnian bony person. Well funny enough in a proper civilization your body is very sound and great and on top of that your family encourages you to exercise and develop your body to the fullest thus further sublimating the effects of the negative chart.

Sometimes I wonder if eugenic and appropriate astrological calculations to have a child are methods by which the Gods sublimate people who may get stuck in a crappy body instead come into a proper body. Like I said subvert natures negatives with proper civilization and appropriate astrological factors even IF some present a two-face or double-edge approach positives with negatives as well like say a Plutonic aspect or a hard aspect like a Square.

This question assumes there is someone who can judge you and thus judge whether you deserve it or not as a universal constant, which does not exist.There is no universal force that will judge you and decide whether you go to hell or heaven .Your astrology exists as such due to the karma of your previous lives and the things you can do to get over it are workings with squares,runes and freeing the soul workings. Abstraction on this topic will lead to no fruitful discussion because the basic assumption behind it is faulty.

Gear88 said:

So if your Saturnian in nature like Powstanie then maybe having a proper eugenically sound and spiritual society subverts the natural effects of the astrological Universal effects. That's my 2 cents on the subject.

For example say your chart shows a very weak Saturnian bony person. Well funny enough in a proper civilization your body is very sound and great and on top of that your family encourages you to exercise and develop your body to the fullest thus further sublimating the effects of the negative chart.

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Boom, nailed it in my case. Fortunately enough I still have an Aries frame shape, I'm just thin and sapped of energy. Such things are quite pronounced in my chart.

A plus here is that Saturn is an enduring planet that rewards effort and hard work. So in a society that practices eugenics as well as fosters good health habits, Saturn's energies affecting one's body type can indeed be sublimated.

Jack said:

Abstraction on this topic will lead to no fruitful discussion because the basic assumption behind it is faulty.

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The discussion can still be fruitful as it can help clarify misconceptions, be a source of general astrology information as people share their thoughts, so on and so forth. The former point is particularly important here since it appears there's not a general consensus amongst members yet on whether bad placements stem from past life karma or just the universe being the universe.

I believe many deserve what is coming to them. They alone make the decisions they wrought upon themselves.
Surely many are born under unfortunate circumstances and can't help it, but what about the successful countries that have flourished? Do all these older generation folks deserve the neglect that they will receive because their kids hate them for what traitorous acts they have committed? Immigration, to increase pensions and lowers labor costs. To supposedly increase GDP, but what about their own fucking kids? How are they supposed to compete against it. So because of this, their own selfish gain to sell the future LIKE THE JEWS ALWAYS PREACHED. When you borrow into something, there is always interest on it and that interest will be paid for by their kids.
The traitors are going to get what they deserve as well, I would erase them completely if not for the fact the RTR does it so much better. I dont give a flying fuck if they're blackmailed, if one redemption is to sacrifice their family, because they participated in the blood libel of many children on Epstein island SO BE IT, but they won't because they're traitors, they're greedy and will do whatever it takes to get what they want with no principles or virtues behind it.
Then there are the common-class folks, the one that have some sort of freedom to change themselves and the environment around them. They have the power in themselves to become strong, but they chose not to. They want it easy, they want the easy solution, they want the easiest way to do something, why does it have to be so hard, why can't I just watch da youtubez and be enlightened by rabbi yeshua. They want cast aside all the hardwork that makes something special and turn it into a commodity. When some actually does achieve something great, they want to blame it on privilege, that he cheated or somehow did it better than they could because he was privileged. Not because of the hardwork or determination he put into his skill, himself, and to maintain the relationships around him. These people I despise the most, because they're the ones most likely to betray, become traitors, and be a slave to the jews. Fuck all of them, FUCK FUCK FUCK THEM!!!
Do not feel sorry for these people, I learned that this is the worst thing to do. They can smell kindness, because its like a flame in a poorly lit room, which they're naturally attracted by. They will try to take advantage of you as they see you as easy prey. Fuck those people and burn them real good so they know better. We will become stronger spiritually, physcially, and hopefully we can all achieve immortality because I hate getting old and dying pathetically. I want eternal youth, clarity, and conscience that spans aeons. To enjoy the creations we can make and destroying our enemies completely. But all of this will not come without a price and that is hard work, there is no easy path in satanism, in fact the thing is this IS the easiest path in satanism :lol: :lol: but thats because all the information has been presented to us in a format we can best understand to help guide us.

Hail Satan

WiseDragon said:

Gentiles who have a really bad natal chart with strong tendencies towards misfortune and disasters. People who are very violent or insane ecc. All of this is in their soul. But did they deserve to end up there? Or it just happened?

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It's not a bacteria's fault it has to feed on your body. It was not the soviet soldiers' fault that Stalin ordered to shoot us. It is not the fault of the lion or hyena that they attack you, they need to eat. It is not even the jew's fault they do this, it's just their nature. You get the point. You are allowed to defent yourself and fight for your friends and family whatever that means

Short answer, no. They often do not. If anything had gone well in this world, the enemy never would've gotten a significant hold on society whatsoever. Now, thanks to the way the world is now, many people get horrifically raped, murdered, die of starvation or disease for no good reason, and live under the constant threat of nuclear war that might have already destroyed everyone if not for the countless miracles so far likely provided by the Gods to make that not happen.

It is usually not going to be past life karma, it is just the chaotic nature of the world that causes this. Some people die without deserving it. And based on what the HPs say, some even get erased from existence without 'deserving' it. And then they're gone forever. We just have to try to not be those people, and stop the world from being nuked down to nothingness, in which case probably most of us would suffer the same fate unless the souls of some of us were taken to safety on another world something. Yes, the world getting destroyed and tons of souls disappearing would seem like quite a horrifying possibility, but it all seems to logically be there as the HPs have stated in the past as what happens when a soul doesn't ever get to reincarnate in another body of the same race.

Powstanie Pogańskie said:

FancyMancy said:

Perhaps they did something in a previous life, or lives, which they hadn't fixed in a life in-between, which caused them to be in this situation now. Maybe as a punishment/difficult learning curve from Satan/the Gods/Goddesses, or as a natural karmic... 'retaliation', if you will, by/from the Universe in order to create balance. Did we, or a defenceless little Child, deserve to be "punished" by the jew - raped, tortured, damaged, destroyed, murdered?

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If this is the case, then I gotta wonder how much of a dick I was in a past life to earn such a prominent ass, Saturn-ass Saturn.

I lean towards Larissa's take on the matter, but whether it's just the universe being what it is or karmic retaliation for me being an asshole, I try to glean what positives and strengths I can from unfortunate placements. It's like how 13th_Wolf said about there being benefits from certain aspects and House placements. Like Mars/Neptune aspects giving a talent for spiritual affairs, even if this aspect also weakens the will and bestows a defeatist attitude. Sublimation through meditation and awareness is the key to success in these matters.

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We already know it doesn't work that way. Negative karma can come from different things, it could be hereditary, it could be curses from the jews (remember that we live in a planet full of curses from the jews against gentiles, of course it will manifest in a way or another), it could be some "affirmation" that you said all your life (we know that if you think something over and over again it can manifest, many people think in a negative way and that could manifest in bad karma) and it could be just random planet energies. There is no rule in the universe that punish you if you did something bad.

Absolute not, this why we are here, all of us fighting for gentiles freedom. Kids in Syria suffering every day they do not deserve it.

WiseDragon said:

Gentiles who have a really bad natal chart with strong tendencies towards misfortune and disasters. People who are very violent or insane ecc. All of this is in their soul. But did they deserve to end up there? Or it just happened?

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luis said:

We already know it doesn't work that way. Negative karma can come from different things, it could be hereditary, it could be curses from the jews (remember that we live in a planet full of curses from the jews against gentiles, of course it will manifest in a way or another), it could be some "affirmation" that you said all your life (we know that if you think something over and over again it can manifest, many people think in a negative way and that could manifest in bad karma) and it could be just random planet energies. There is no rule in the universe that punish you if you did something bad.

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I concur with this, I was referring more to if one's negative karma affects the astrological placements one reincarnates with or if that's just up to random chance. I'm currently leaning towards our placements just being the luck of the astrological draw and that our karma will augment the influence of these placements for good or for ill.

DezFranky said:

I believe many deserve what is coming to them. They alone make the decisions they wrought upon themselves.
Surely many are born under unfortunate circumstances and can't help it, but what about the successful countries that have flourished? Do all these older generation folks deserve the neglect that they will receive because their kids hate them for what traitorous acts they have committed? Immigration, to increase pensions and lowers labor costs. To supposedly increase GDP, but what about their own fucking kids? How are they supposed to compete against it. So because of this, their own selfish gain to sell the future LIKE THE JEWS ALWAYS PREACHED. When you borrow into something, there is always interest on it and that interest will be paid for by their kids.
The traitors are going to get what they deserve as well, I would erase them completely if not for the fact the RTR does it so much better. I dont give a flying fuck if they're blackmailed, if one redemption is to sacrifice their family, because they participated in the blood libel of many children on Epstein island SO BE IT, but they won't because they're traitors, they're greedy and will do whatever it takes to get what they want with no principles or virtues behind it.
Then there are the common-class folks, the one that have some sort of freedom to change themselves and the environment around them. They have the power in themselves to become strong, but they chose not to. They want it easy, they want the easy solution, they want the easiest way to do something, why does it have to be so hard, why can't I just watch da youtubez and be enlightened by rabbi yeshua. They want cast aside all the hardwork that makes something special and turn it into a commodity. When some actually does achieve something great, they want to blame it on privilege, that he cheated or somehow did it better than they could because he was privileged. Not because of the hardwork or determination he put into his skill, himself, and to maintain the relationships around him. These people I despise the most, because they're the ones most likely to betray, become traitors, and be a slave to the jews. Fuck all of them, FUCK FUCK FUCK THEM!!!
Do not feel sorry for these people, I learned that this is the worst thing to do. They can smell kindness, because its like a flame in a poorly lit room, which they're naturally attracted by. They will try to take advantage of you as they see you as easy prey. Fuck those people and burn them real good so they know better. We will become stronger spiritually, physcially, and hopefully we can all achieve immortality because I hate getting old and dying pathetically. I want eternal youth, clarity, and conscience that spans aeons. To enjoy the creations we can make and destroying our enemies completely. But all of this will not come without a price and that is hard work, there is no easy path in satanism, in fact the thing is this IS the easiest path in satanism :lol: :lol: but thats because all the information has been presented to us in a format we can best understand to help guide us.

Hail Satan

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This is the exact way I think on this couldn’t have said it myself I do not have a lot of sympathy for most of the older generation neither do a lot of people my age to be honest even non Satanists. There are some good people there but most chose a negative path. This will be dealt with in some way and my generation sure isn’t going to live in poverty because of it but I still don’t have sympathy for them. Many of their Xtian like ideas are like a corrosive poison literally that eats away at anything good both in the physical and in the astral energy realm.

Some of them even if they knew the truth would not choose to be different. That is the Pluto Leo generation many are so stubborn stuck up and proud of what they did they wouldn’t understand. Fuck them exactly.

Powstanie Pogańskie said:

luis said:

We already know it doesn't work that way. Negative karma can come from different things, it could be hereditary, it could be curses from the jews (remember that we live in a planet full of curses from the jews against gentiles, of course it will manifest in a way or another), it could be some "affirmation" that you said all your life (we know that if you think something over and over again it can manifest, many people think in a negative way and that could manifest in bad karma) and it could be just random planet energies. There is no rule in the universe that punish you if you did something bad.

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I concur with this, I was referring more to if one's negative karma affects the astrological placements one reincarnates with or if that's just up to random chance. I'm currently leaning towards our placements just being the luck of the astrological draw and that our karma will augment the influence of these placements for good or for ill.

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I think there is no "right" answer to this. It could be random (even if I kinda don't believe anything is random in this universe, there are invisible rules that we may not know), another thing that I remember from an old sermon of HP HoodedCobra is that we take the karma of our parents and ancestors when we are born. To answer the topic, no we don't deserve it, It's mainly jews fault if everything is shittier and that this planet has been full of negative energy against us. Spirituality actually works to destroy everything negative and makes us God.