Crystallized Mushroom
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for a gay man is being a top or bottom genetically chosen or can you alternate between the 2?
Sexuality is not fluid, there are just many people's confused and with hung-ups.MoonlessNight666 said:My understanding is we usually look for what we are missing in us.
I believe sex also plays a role in balancing the soul until we become perfectly balanced ourselfs(magnum opus)
Since genes are physical expression of our soul I could see this "technically" being a genetic preference however I think a spiritual preference might be more fitting.
Aslo keep in mind sexuality is fluid and your preference might change according to your partner or planetary placements.
I have seen very feminine guys who are tops and very masculine looks guys who really enjoy bottoming. My point with this is looks can be deceitful lol
luis said:Sexuality is not fluid, there are just many people's confused and with hung-ups.MoonlessNight666 said:My understanding is we usually look for what we are missing in us.
I believe sex also plays a role in balancing the soul until we become perfectly balanced ourselfs(magnum opus)
Since genes are physical expression of our soul I could see this "technically" being a genetic preference however I think a spiritual preference might be more fitting.
Aslo keep in mind sexuality is fluid and your preference might change according to your partner or planetary placements.
I have seen very feminine guys who are tops and very masculine looks guys who really enjoy bottoming. My point with this is looks can be deceitful lol
That the look is deceitful is true.
Ok, I get what you are saying now and it makes sense, in a way it happens to me too. I would not search a word for it, we do not need to label everything. I did not know about this new trend and definitely I'm staying away from these weirdos...lolMoonlessNight666 said:luis said:Sexuality is not fluid, there are just many people's confused and with hung-ups.MoonlessNight666 said:My understanding is we usually look for what we are missing in us.
I believe sex also plays a role in balancing the soul until we become perfectly balanced ourselfs(magnum opus)
Since genes are physical expression of our soul I could see this "technically" being a genetic preference however I think a spiritual preference might be more fitting.
Aslo keep in mind sexuality is fluid and your preference might change according to your partner or planetary placements.
I have seen very feminine guys who are tops and very masculine looks guys who really enjoy bottoming. My point with this is looks can be deceitful lol
That the look is deceitful is true.
I know the word ''fluid'' is mostly used by the extreme leftists in order to push an agenda so I guess I should have chosen my words more carefully however I still don't know what would be more appropriate than the word fluid?
Im %100 open to suggestions
Maybe, preferences arent set in stone would have been more appropriate, but even as I am writing this I also see how that could be wrong too
My point with this post was, I personally go through periods where I crave a more masculine partner however after having sex with one for a long time I catch myself fantasizing about having a more feminine partner. I don't consider myself a %100 top or %100 bottom as I personally feel like that is the hangup ( this isnt a backhanded jab at you btw)
I have had sex with tops who didn't even want you to touch their butt lol and sadly seen some bottoms who enjoy locking thier dicks up as this seems to be the new disgusting trend in the marxist LGBTQ 45678 + crew lol. (the end goal is the make your penis smaller)
My point with ''fluidity'' was, even thou we may prefer a certain role, these can change according to the chemistry between partners
so do preferences ever change or not?luis said:It's not genetic, it's about preferences. I think every gay may like both (as if done well anal sex is good, even straight if they are open minded can like playing with their anus, it's a normal thing) the problem boils down if the anal sex is not done well, if you are scared or just you prefer to top only.
Everyone has their preferences, it's that simple.
luis said:Ok, I get what you are saying now and it makes sense, in a way it happens to me too. I would not search a word for it, we do not need to label everything. I did not know about this new trend and definitely I'm staying away from these weirdos...lolMoonlessNight666 said:luis said:Sexuality is not fluid, there are just many people's confused and with hung-ups.
That the look is deceitful is true.
I know the word ''fluid'' is mostly used by the extreme leftists in order to push an agenda so I guess I should have chosen my words more carefully however I still don't know what would be more appropriate than the word fluid?
Im %100 open to suggestions
Maybe, preferences arent set in stone would have been more appropriate, but even as I am writing this I also see how that could be wrong too
My point with this post was, I personally go through periods where I crave a more masculine partner however after having sex with one for a long time I catch myself fantasizing about having a more feminine partner. I don't consider myself a %100 top or %100 bottom as I personally feel like that is the hangup ( this isnt a backhanded jab at you btw)
I have had sex with tops who didn't even want you to touch their butt lol and sadly seen some bottoms who enjoy locking thier dicks up as this seems to be the new disgusting trend in the marxist LGBTQ 45678 + crew lol. (the end goal is the make your penis smaller)
My point with ''fluidity'' was, even thou we may prefer a certain role, these can change according to the chemistry between partners
Powstanie Pogańskie said:This idea that the entirety of one's sexuality is open to change and, therefore, not wanting to engage in harmful fetishes is really just a sexual hangup.
I think they can change but you'll reach a point in your life that you'll know what you like, for sure i think that if you are a vers then it's nornal that there are periods wher you like something more than the other.Crystallized Mushroom said:so do preferences ever change or not?luis said:It's not genetic, it's about preferences. I think every gay may like both (as if done well anal sex is good, even straight if they are open minded can like playing with their anus, it's a normal thing) the problem boils down if the anal sex is not done well, if you are scared or just you prefer to top only.
Everyone has their preferences, it's that simple.
so does that mean gay men like both and not exclusives either or?Stormblood said:Yes, as everything about your soul is encoded in your DNA, since the DNA is a physical expression of your soul.
But it's never either or. Things always go in percentages, as we have two polarities in the soul.
Getting deep self-knowledge to defeat outside conditioning is one of the parts of being a Satanist.
Crystallized Mushroom said:so does that mean gay men like both and not exclusives either or?Stormblood said:Yes, as everything about your soul is encoded in your DNA, since the DNA is a physical expression of your soul.
But it's never either or. Things always go in percentages, as we have two polarities in the soul.
Getting deep self-knowledge to defeat outside conditioning is one of the parts of being a Satanist.
Crystallized Mushroom said:so does that mean gay men like both and not exclusives either or?Stormblood said:Yes, as everything about your soul is encoded in your DNA, since the DNA is a physical expression of your soul.
But it's never either or. Things always go in percentages, as we have two polarities in the soul.
Getting deep self-knowledge to defeat outside conditioning is one of the parts of being a Satanist.
If you want to know about gay men, ask gay men.Crystallized Mushroom said:so does that mean gay men like both and not exclusives either or?Stormblood said:Yes, as everything about your soul is encoded in your DNA, since the DNA is a physical expression of your soul.
But it's never either or. Things always go in percentages, as we have two polarities in the soul.
Getting deep self-knowledge to defeat outside conditioning is one of the parts of being a Satanist.
well I do have venus in sagittarus, mars in cancer, and pluto in scorpio but i'm not sure what that means about me maybe you do. however when I dream i'm essentially mostly a top who enjoys fucking guys in the butt but in real life i'm not so sure its really making me go crazy also is it possible to change bottom/top like with transits as you said or is this permanent and can never be altered?Stormblood said:Crystallized Mushroom said:so does that mean gay men like both and not exclusives either or?Stormblood said:Yes, as everything about your soul is encoded in your DNA, since the DNA is a physical expression of your soul.
But it's never either or. Things always go in percentages, as we have two polarities in the soul.
Getting deep self-knowledge to defeat outside conditioning is one of the parts of being a Satanist.
I'm just saying that a 100% preference toward bottoming/submissivenes or topping/dominance is quite rare. For example, some people may enjoy both sides in anal but only one side in oral. Same people may dislike either oral or anal completely. It depends on the peculiar balance of masculine and feminine energies in your soul and on other factors like placements related Venus, Mars and Pluto as well as aspects and so on.
Then transits may bring experiences to you of any kind (sexual, mental, emotional, related to whatever area) that act as a positive or negative reinforcement building karma related to the experience. And of course there may be confusion, clouding, suppression or overexpression that come from current karma, past-life karma, family karma, external conditioning etc. like Chattingwiththegods explained in a way. It's not a simple thing at all.
One should of course work, like in every area when you're a SS, to break up any karma and blockage/hangup/trauma related to negative experience and external condition, to restore the original soul purity and thus being able to act in accordance to their true nature.
Crystallized Mushroom said:well I do have venus in sagittarus, mars in cancer, and pluto in scorpio but i'm not sure what that means about me maybe you do. however when I dream i'm essentially mostly a top who enjoys fucking guys in the butt but in real life i'm not so sure its really making me go crazy also is it possible to change bottom/top like with transits as you said or is this permanent and can never be altered?Stormblood said:Crystallized Mushroom said:so does that mean gay men like both and not exclusives either or?
I'm just saying that a 100% preference toward bottoming/submissivenes or topping/dominance is quite rare. For example, some people may enjoy both sides in anal but only one side in oral. Same people may dislike either oral or anal completely. It depends on the peculiar balance of masculine and feminine energies in your soul and on other factors like placements related Venus, Mars and Pluto as well as aspects and so on.
Then transits may bring experiences to you of any kind (sexual, mental, emotional, related to whatever area) that act as a positive or negative reinforcement building karma related to the experience. And of course there may be confusion, clouding, suppression or overexpression that come from current karma, past-life karma, family karma, external conditioning etc. like Chattingwiththegods explained in a way. It's not a simple thing at all.
One should of course work, like in every area when you're a SS, to break up any karma and blockage/hangup/trauma related to negative experience and external condition, to restore the original soul purity and thus being able to act in accordance to their true nature.
oh I don't take issues with my current preference toward top I actually like that though your proabably right im likely a versatile though it just confuses me sometimes though I seem to like taking control from what I can gather from my dreams and imaginations though i'm just not entirely sure I just know from my dreams I like initiating sex and so forth.Powstanie Pogańskie said:Crystallized Mushroom said:well I do have venus in sagittarus, mars in cancer, and pluto in scorpio but i'm not sure what that means about me maybe you do. however when I dream i'm essentially mostly a top who enjoys fucking guys in the butt but in real life i'm not so sure its really making me go crazy also is it possible to change bottom/top like with transits as you said or is this permanent and can never be altered?Stormblood said:I'm just saying that a 100% preference toward bottoming/submissivenes or topping/dominance is quite rare. For example, some people may enjoy both sides in anal but only one side in oral. Same people may dislike either oral or anal completely. It depends on the peculiar balance of masculine and feminine energies in your soul and on other factors like placements related Venus, Mars and Pluto as well as aspects and so on.
Then transits may bring experiences to you of any kind (sexual, mental, emotional, related to whatever area) that act as a positive or negative reinforcement building karma related to the experience. And of course there may be confusion, clouding, suppression or overexpression that come from current karma, past-life karma, family karma, external conditioning etc. like Chattingwiththegods explained in a way. It's not a simple thing at all.
One should of course work, like in every area when you're a SS, to break up any karma and blockage/hangup/trauma related to negative experience and external condition, to restore the original soul purity and thus being able to act in accordance to their true nature.
I'm Mars in Cancer with Pluto in my 8th House - which has Scorpio on the cusp, placing my Pluto in an even more comfortable position. That said, I don't believe these things are the final determining factor in whether you're a top or bottom.
It sounds to me like you're striving for a clear, succinct way to describe your sexual preference and you haven't yet nailed down whether you like giving or receiving more. From what you've said so far, I'd wager you could easily just say you're vers and that your desire to be on top or bottom depends on your mood. Over time you'll probably start to see a pattern like "Yeah I discovered I typically like to top rather than bottom" but it can still vary based on your mood as well as the dude you're with.
Regarding transits, it's more accurate to say the transits affect your mood and state of mind when it comes to sexual interests, and this can manifest in you leaning more heavily towards topping or bottoming. My own example is that Pluto-Mars transit making me significantly more assertive and feeling less inclined to just take it.
As a vers, your preference for these positions can definitely change over time in accordance with your mood, experiences, and whatever your planets are getting up to up there. But I'd refrain from using lingo like "permanent and can never be altered" because it makes it sound like you take issue with your current preferences, as if they're bad. Unless we're talking about some illegal and/or harmful shit, there's really no need to view your current preferences in a light of needs-to-be-worked-on. Regardless, they certainly can evolve over time, even for "exclusive" tops or bottoms.
Crystallized Mushroom said:well I do have --- but i'm not sure what that means about me maybe you do. however when I dream i'm essentially mostly a top who enjoys fucking guys in the butt but in real life i'm not so sure its really making me go crazy also is it possible to change bottom/top like with transits as you said or is this permanent and can never be altered?
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