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On the Third Reich and Satanism

FlameGhost

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I'm not really sure if this is the right place for this or not so I'm sorry if it isn't but I have been with a few National Socialists in discord for a while and debating with them over Hitler being a Satanist and then I have gotten this. https://www.bitchute.com/video/5ZeuIJoW5llF/ and https://www.bitchute.com/video/971Sa9Jo8Uyc/ The guy in the video uses text from these 2 sites. https://www.no...HitlerSources.htm and https://tandfonline...1532983 I know that the JOS website mentions that there was xian curruption to these documents and a lot of them having controdictions between them. But I do not know where to find the original articles to use. So could someone with more knowledge or resorces than me help me with this? The books that they use consists of "Hitler's Table Talks" "Speer" "Helmreich" and "Memoirs of a Confinant" as far as mentioning speaking about Hitler. I haven't found the rest but I found these sites for "Hitler's Table Talks" and for when it says "(It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself.) "with the first part being tooken out of context" Nothing dies unless it is moribund. At that period the ancient world was divided between the Systems of philosophy and the worship of idols It's not desirable that the whole of humanity should be stultified-and the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little." It seems to me that he is saying that going straight back to worshipping like they did and going against the Catholic church right away is a bad idea and instead to be patient and let Christianity fall slowly. And the parts with the "Aryan Jesus Myth" being shot down with "You cannot make an Aryan out of Jesus, that's nonsense. What needs to be done you say? I will tell you: we must prevent the churches from doing anything but, what they are doing now, that is, losing ground day by day. But we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves." and his quotes about Martin Luther can easily be just him mentioning him fighting against the Church and not proclaiming that he admired him as a xian. So I can easily use the quotes from the site to show more sources of the Reich moving against christianity but I don't really have any of the books or sites that were used for those so again I would like help in this and thank you to every Satanist who has helped me to see the lies thus far as I am doing all I can to spread the teachings of this site and community. Hail Satan, the Gods of Hell and Heil Hitler!!!
 
First of all rest reassured Discord is an agencies hub and that you may even be talking with kikes and informants there. Be careful.

Second off, Hitler's table talks would be sufficient. Others will provide you more sources as I am low on time, but all the websites we have, have a lot of sourced books.

That aside, ask them why Hitler never mentions Jewsus? Why all the catholic priests entered in camps? Why did he have in mind to invade and seize the Vatican? Why did he replace all church paraphennalia to the point even bells were replaced and the crosses on them were removed?

These people are clearly fabricating and isolating the quotes. I cay say jews are clever because they take over nations, but that doesn't mean I respect them. Hitler can say something about luther but that doesn't make them his supporter, but the contrary.

Hitler did not want to destroy the social fabric of Germany and therefore allowed the church to deteriorate and gave to Himmler and other top ranking National Socialists the objective of destroying it, infiltrating it, and corrupting it from the inside to accelerate it's falling into shambles, without destroying society.

My Documentary "Himmler, the Aryan Knight" can also be found online. It's 4 hours long and it has endless proof and information in it.
 
I don't remember where but on a Russian site there is a document in which Hitler made a pact with the Devil.
 
Thank you so much for your reply on this.I have already responded back to them with how the posts about "Hitler's table talk" quotes were tooken out of context gave the example text like I did with my question. And then mentioned about the pedophile priests and how they were arrested under the "Law of Homosexuality" and how it was used to go after those priests. Also the fact that even in Mein Kampf Hitler spoke against the denomenations and even went as far as to out right discredited the Mosaic Law of Judaism. I appreciate and have comfort knowing that I have the support of the community in this. I happily await whatever sources anyone can provide. So yes thank you so much for your help. :mrgreen:
 
Vril The Religion Of Lucifer

The Thule Society which created the National Socialist Party and ran the National Socialist Party used the term Vril which is their term for the luminous energy the energy of Lucifer.

Vril is a Tibetan word which is from the Sanskrit world Virala. in the east the Dragon capstone of the Temple is called the Virala. This is the symbol of the power of the Light Body finished. The completed temple. The Temple is the symbol of the perfected human work of the Magnum Opus. Satan is called the Dragon in the Bible as the Dragon is the symbol of the perfected Light Body in the ancient world. This is the original sin in the enemies Bible.


Note the Dragons the Virala on the Hindu capstone:

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This is also in the Far East as the traditional Dragon:

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The Yogi in Hinduism is shown riding the Virala as the symbol they have perfected their Light Body with the Magnum Opus. The Dragons in the Far East have a coding to different levels and aspects of the Magnum Opus they represent. The term Vira is the other spelling of Virala its the term for a Yogi who has ascended the serpent. The Serpent God of the ancient Aryans was Viracocha who was depicted as a Aryan being in the America's. Viracocha represents Venus which is called Lucifer in Latin.

In the western world Lucifer is the name of the capstone in the arch the symbol of the Light Body of the Magnum Opus and also the name for the luminous energy the serpent powers which transforms one into the Light Body. The National Socialists highest goal for their People was to rediscover the knowledge of the Magnum Opus the Vril and deliver this to the world. This is why Himmler sent the SS all the way to Tibet and India to search for this knowledge. Himmler's personal library and a large portion of Hitler's personal library that was found is full of thousands of books on this subject.

Himmler personally financed and ordered Otto Rahn to write this book:

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Rahn with Himmler's orders and backing spoke to major conferences of National Socialist Party Leaders the general elites of German society and SS leaders in major public lectures where he publically proclaimed the religion of Lucifer. Rahn started every lecture with "Greeting in the name of Lucifer who has been wronged!". He received a standing ovation in every meeting. Hitler and Himmler where planning on bringing the religion of Lucifer to the European world. This was Otto Rahn's activist cause and why he worked for Himmler and Hitler behind the scenes.



Source
The Hindu Temple, Alain Danielou
 
The Esoteric Truth: The Nazi's Were Satanists

The Templar Order spent 100 years in the Middle East and was known to have the same gnostic religion as the Yezidhi's the Templar Green Man is the Al-Khadir [meaning Green Man] of the Yezidhi's the Templar's also wore the same sacred cord of black, red and white the Yezidhi's do. The Templar's where in close contact with these group who at this time lived across the Middle east from Syria to Persia. The Templar occult rights are recorded to be the same as the Yezidhi's. The other name of Al-Khadir is Shaitan to the Yezidhi's.

The Templar's were never disbanded in Germany only in France. In Germany they were found innocent mainly due to their power, many Templar bands of Knights just arrived armed with a war party to the proceedings and where declared innocent by the terrified Bishops. In time the Templar's just formed into different organizations from the Teutonic Order and others. Germany and Austria remained a major base of occult knowledge and Satanism. The Green Man is Satan.


The Illuminati attempts to subvert the Templar descended secret societies in Germany mainly failed at the time as the Illuminati was found out. There where books written against it, papers published against the Illuminati in the presses. Major government investigations into the Illuminati, its most important members arrested, their homes and places of meeting raided by the police and their plans confiscated, their members put on public trial, its assets confiscated by government order, the organization was banned by the government and Weishaupt was ordered arrested and a price put on his head. And made to run for his life.

"On the 11 February 1785, Weishaupt was discharged and forbidden to live in Ingolstadt and Munich. At the same time the university was informed that Weishaupt would be arrested. ….A few days later he fled from Ingolstadt to Nuremberg dressed in the working clothes of a craftsman. [Countess Sofia Tool, "The Brothers of the Night", Moscow, 2000, p.291.]

"On 20 July 1785, the courier of the Illuminati, Lanz [who worked as a priest] was hit by lighting in Regensberg and died. Weishaupt was together with him. Lanz intended to travel on to Berlin and Silesia and received his last instructions form Weishaupt before he died. He had sewn in a list of Illuminati and some comprising papers in his priest's robe. Weishaupt did not know about this and became the victim of his own conspiracy."

"The local police found other important documents at Lanz's house, including detailed instructions for the planned French revolution. Some of the papers were addressed to the Grand Master of the Lodge Grand Orient in Paris. Everything was handed over to the Bavarian government and on the 4th August 1785 a new ban on secret societies was issued. On 31 August, an order to arrest Weishaupt was issued A price was put on Adam Weishaupt's head in Bavaria."


"The police began to look for known members of the Order. .. The raid on Zwack's house, which had a direct link to the secret Illuminati documents found at Lanz's house....On the 11th-12th October 1786, they searched the house of Dr Franz Xaver Zwack [Cato] in Landut where the Illuminati kept their most important papers. In the following year Baron Bassus' [Hannibal's] castle in Sandersdorf was also searched and the police confiscated even more papers concerning the Illuminati's conspiracy against the whole world."

This Illuminati program was made known to the public:

"From 1781 on, the resistance to Adam Weishaupt's movement started to grow. The first official attack o the Illuminati was in 1783...a rejected candidate, the bookseller Johann Baptist Strobl for Munich was the fist to raise the alarm.....Others came after Stroble: Professor Wesenieder... warned about the Illuminati's true activity, according to "Vaglednigh for frimurare" /"Guidance for Freemasons", Stockholm, 1906, p. 166. The Duchess Maria Anna and professor Joseph Utzschneider at the Military Academy in Munich [who had left the Illuminati in 1783] also cameout with public warnings."



"In 1786, two remarkable books about the Illuminati were published: "Drei merkwurdige Aussagen" [in which Professors Grunberg, Cosandey and Renner testified] and "Grosse Absichten des Orderns der Illuminaten" ["Great purposes of the order of the illuminati"] with professor joseph Utzschneider's testimony."


The importance of this is simple when the decision was reached at the Masonic Congress of Wilhemsbad:


"A conference was held at Mayer Amschel Rothschild's castle in Wilhelmsbad on the 16th July 1782, where the freemasons and Illuminati forged a complete alliance. In this way, the leading secret societies began a closer co-operation with the Illuminati."

"At its beginning, the Illuminati was not a Masonic order, and Weishaupt himself did not enter a lodge until 1777, when he received induction into the Lodge Theodore de Bon Conseil in Munich. However, once inside Masonry, Weishaupt immediately saw its potential value to be a vehicle for the realization of his Illuminati dreams. To create an official union between the Illuminati and Freemasonry, Weishaupt set about organizing the Congress of Wilhelmsbad at the Castle of William IX of Hesse-Kassel, to occur on July 16, 1782. That special even, which was momentous in both size and aspirations, was attended by elite representatives of Masonic lodges from all over. It was also there that a decision was reached to allow the previously excluded Jews to be granted admittance into Freemasonry."

"When the time came for a vote on their admittance at Wilhelmsbad, the Jews were so anxious to win the day that they completely filled the hall with other Jewish supporters. It was not long afterwards that the Illuminati membership included an abundance of Jewish banking families, including the Rothschild's, the Oppenheimers, the Wertheimers, the Schusters, Speyers, and Sterns."

A lot of the members of the societies in Germany where made aware of the conspiracy by the presses and the investigations by the government. Many of the existing societies openly rejected the decision at Wilhemsbad and resisted infiltration within Germany. France was a different matter they were taken over.

This is the esoteric background in which the Vril Society came onto the world stage officially:

"The Vril Society traced its philosophical origins back to a secret Bavarian, Gnostic-Templar order styling itself as “The Lords of the Black Stone” founded in 1221."

"The fateful meeting was held in 1919 at an old hunting lodge near Berchtesgaden, where Maria Orsic presented to a small group assembled from the Thule, Vril and Black Sun Societies, telepathic messages she claimed to have received from an extraterrestrial civilization existing in the distant Aldebaran solar system, sixty-eight light years away, in the Constellation of Taurus."

This is why the Vril Society was in possession of Templar manuscripts written in the German Templar script. This was a Templar originated society itself that avoided corruption of infiltration. This societies patron Goddess was Astaroth the Pagan Goddess Ostara. The constellation of Aldebaran is ruled by Arya Tara the same Goddess in the east. There is something also symbolic here the star Aldebaran represents the bull and the energy of Jupiter in the east. This relates to the opened chakra's in the head the temple's, crown, third eye and such. The symbol of Aldebaran was in the Vedic mysteries as the open crown chakra. This all rules the psychic centers in the mind. It makes sense a society of medium's might use this spiritual symbolism. The ancient images show the Gods wearing Bull Horns as crowns to symbolize this state of spiritual ascension.

Note the Austrian Satanist, Sattler was probably able to gain access to the societies he did in the east as already a fellow member of the occult Templar school of the west. How else did he know where to go and how to obtain admission into such. He was already a member in the same system in the west:

"Viennese scholar Franz Sattler who wrote under the pseudonym D. Musallam. Sattler compiled a German-Persian conversation dictionary and numerous works on language instruction in his academic work, he also published a five-volume travelogue of his sojourns in the East. But in his esoteric endeavors he was responsible for the construction of a complete magical system based on a peculiar neo-pagan pantheon, at the head of which stood Adonis. Musallam equated Adonis with Satan or the Devil and took a markedly anti-Christian stance."

Sattler from his own writings had been in the east to the region of at least Afghanistan and had studied under some type of initiated system that was probably Yezidhi. He went on trips to these regions and could speak the languages of the area's. The Yezidhi's are Persians. The region Sattler wrote about that of Afghanistan was not Islamic till it was forced on the area in 1896 and the peoples practiced a pre-Islamic, paganism which was from the ancient Indo-Iranian way which the Yezidhi's practice, this is why in all of Sattler's work there is a chief focus on the Yezidhi's specifically. The region Sattler was living in the east was full of Yezidhi's Fakir's.

Note:
"The Adonistic wisdom of the East was drawn from many cultures, but there seems to have been a special affinity for the Kurdish Yazidhi's."

Here we come to Quintscher and the truth about the Satanist 99 Lodge that Hitler was stated to be a member of this Lodge. The 99 Lodge was a Templar Lodge from its description, Sattler was probably a member. Its known Qunitscher was a member of the Lodge and the two where close and it was Quintscher who was trained by Sattler as his teacher which would make Sattler a member:

"Another active member of the Dr. Musallam's groups was Fredrich Wilhelm Quintscher. A student of Quinstscher is said to have been the Czech-German author and stage magician Frantisek [Franz] Bardon. He worked as a stage magician from the mid-1920's under the name Frabato. He came into contact with Quintscher and by all accounts became a member of his Adonistic circle. There he was known as Master Arion."

These is where Franz Bardon got the information from "Introduction Into Hermetic's" from the Satanist organization that Quintscher lead and was part of Sattler's group and Bardon was a member of. The strange book Frabato was not written by Bardon but by a fan and women who worked as the secretary for his shows. Bardon read the manuscript and was disgusted by it and forbade her from publishing it as its total nonsense and strange fan fiction. Bardon and Quintscher also where never in a German prisoner camp either this is more nonsense. Bardon was not in the 99 Lodge however he was in Quintscher's personal sub order of Sattler's group.

However the FOCG, the 99 Lodge where the hundredth member was the Demon leader and 99 of the rest where Satanic, human initiates. This is the Satanist Lodge mentioned in Frabato that it was stated Hitler was a member of, it did exist from the writings of Quintscher himself, who was part of this group. But the claims of it in Frabato are established to have been made up libelistic nonsense. The fact the members of the FOCG where also in the Thule Society and Vril Society and the Satanist Society of Sattler. These people where high ranking initiates. They were all connected in the FOCG most likely and these where the speciality groups that operated as part of such Satanist network. Astaroth was the patron Goddess of Vril and one of the high ranking Demon's of the FOCG. The Vril group was the speciality society of mediums out of the FOCG most likely, like the Thule Society was the political wing.


It was known Hitler was a member of the Thule Society which was connected to the Vril Society and Sattler's organization and the FOCG and it was the Thule Society that created the National Socialist Party. Hitler dedicated the second volume of his book "Mein Kampf" to the Grand Master of the Thule Society, Echkart:

"Dietrich Eckart (German: [ˈɛkaʁt]; 23 March 1868 – 26 December 1923) was a German journalist, playwright, poet, and politician who was one of the founders of the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (German Workers' Party, DAP), which later evolved into the Nazi Party (NSDAP). He was a key influence on Adolf Hitler in the early years of the Nazi Party and was a participant in the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch.

He died shortly after the putsch, and was elevated, during the Nazi era, to the status of a major thinker and writer"


This is why Hitler banned the Illuminati [Jewish] Free Masonic Lodges and in 1937 Himmler passed a law banning all independent occult societies with Masonic connections and based on the Jewish Kabbalah. These where enemy organizations working towards the One World Order of the enemy.

The Satanist Vril Society and the Satanist Thule Society where left alone and worked as esoteric center of the National Socialist government. It was only the enemy run societies that where shut down. The Sattler and Vril connection show the Nazi leaders all knew the Demon's are the original Pagan Gods. The word Demon is the ancient Greek term for the Gods as well.





Sources:
Under the sign of the Scorpion, Juri Lina
The Fraternitas Saturni, Stephen E. Flowers, Ph.D.
Coming Gnostic Civilization, Mark Pinkham
Wiki on Dietrich Eckart
Jim Nichols UFO Art
 
Hitler quotes that are mentioned he was talking about the neo-Pagan LARPer's he made this quite clear how they just hang out and LARP like its the 4th century. Rosenberg a major NS leader in the Party who was also in the Thule Society with Hitler which created the NS party. Stated in his own book that they wanted to bring back Wotanism as it would have developed naturally into the 20th century not the LARPing. This bringing back Paganism was being done the way Thule wanted it with the SS and Hitler Youth. The SS members manual of the SS culture each SS family had a Pagan altar in their home and conducted Pagan rituals and honored the Pagan holy days. Himmler lead Pagan spiritual rituals with his SS men at the sacred sites of the German Pagans as well. They were Pagans. The National Socialist Party also eliminated the Christian elements from Christmas and Easter in Germany and replaced it with the Pagan original holiday of Yule and Ostara.

The Nazi's used the symbol of the Pagan God Thor the Swastika as their symbol and other runic symbols they also used runic magic to connect with these symbols and Mien Kampf was written with the older German a runic based language for this reason. The Church tried to eliminate the Plattdeutsch under the German Christian rulers and replace it with the more modern German for such reason.

Hitler's book Mein Kampf was written by Hitler and with editing by Hess, during the nine months both were imprisoned in Landsberg for the Munich uprising. The book itself was unique and this was commented upon in the time. Its not a text book, its a pure stream of consciousness. The real secret of Mein Kampf was its a written magical text to awaken the racial soul consciousness of the German People.

Hess was an adept in the occult and from reports might have been Hitler's tutor in occult knowledge within the Thule Society. British Language experts studied Mien Kampf and were surprised to find it written in a style and structured in Plattdeutsch the more ancient style of German. This was done for one major reason this form of German is more connected to the more ancient style of German which has magical power. German was originally a runic language one can note in many area's of Northern Europe in the Medieval world where Plattdeutsch was heavily used, many people still used runic letters in their writings. Which shows what Plattdeutsch connects into.

This is why the National Socialists used runes and runic symbols in their rallies which were mass rituals to awaken the German racial consciousness this all ties into the magical formula of Mien Kampf and connects into ancient magical forces and the energies of the German collective racial consciousness. This includes the runic chant of "Sieg Heil' this relates to the Sieg rune, you had millions of people doing the runic chant for victory and this manifests.
 
I think the focus should be on Satanism, as it is. People associate TR with nostalgia, and old forms, or worse violent actions out side of magic. This is not true of Spiritual Satanism.

Satanama-Darma should be the focus without abandoning valid points related to TR from an occult point of view. historically and the lessons learned where applicable today, in the context of spiritual Satanism.

Further disassociation with set up organizations, and political should be strongly emphasized for safeties sake and pragmatic reasons. Make it clear this is not a political party, and dangerous and self defeating criminal activity is forbidden.

Working only by magic.

This will assure no mistake is made in anyone's eyes and SS act to the highest standard of conduct as understood by reading the sermons.
 
Ogni volta quando sento questi Rap stranieri in germania cantare in tedesco mescolandolo con l'arabo o turco, ho sempre pensato come questi coglioni stanno inbastardendo la lingua tedesca. Mi ribbellavo sempre dentro di me. E adesso leggendo il tuo post Big Don mi si é chiarito cosa mi diceva tutto il tempo il mio inconscio. Questi bastardi vogliono distruggere anche la lingua tedesca.
 
I will elaberate a bit as well. What I mean is that someone that hasn't looked into WW2 Germany and what it set out to do and is attacking the JOS on it's spiritual side should be dealt with on that front. While dealing with those that attack it for it's National Socialist views on the other. But this is a Spiritual Satanist as well as a National Socialist community.
 
Thank you everyone for the absolute abundance in records about all of this. I can't express the amount of joy that I felt when I saw all of this :D I'm not really sure if they will acknowledge accounts from the enemies of Germany as far as mentions of Hitler making a pact with the devil on a Russian website. For them it would have to come straight from Hitler's SS or Hitler himself, they're even going as far as to say that some of the books may have been fabricated. But it would be interesting to look into. And I will also look into what the SS did in the east. Also, I will take time to read and learn how these cultures relate to Satan, and his Demons. I may just link the people there to this site and let them read the tons of evidence for themselves :lol: although they will probably deny it and call it a cult which they have done before. So I'll probably have to find each book and show them the source itself. I will say another thing. It's not actually just a discord group. They also play a social game called "VRChat" where I've actually met and have been debating with them about the history of Germany and it's ties to Satanism. Also, for the Bitchute side of things; I went ahead and also sent them a responce on the whole thing. My name on there is EwigerVampir, btw. This makes things ways more easier for me and I see that there is heeps I still don't know about the history of Satanism and where it comes from. I will enjoy reading every single bit and opening my eyes to unshakable truth. So thank you for the awesome support and replies!! :mrgreen:
 
ZaZaz said:
I think the focus should be on Satanism, as it is. People associate TR with nostalgia, and old forms, or worse violent actions out side of magic. This is not true of Spiritual Satanism.

Satanama-Darma should be the focus without abandoning valid points related to TR from an occult point of view. historically and the lessons learned where applicable today, in the context of spiritual Satanism.

Further disassociation with set up organizations, and political should be strongly emphasized for safeties sake and pragmatic reasons. Make it clear this is not a political party, and dangerous and self defeating criminal activity is forbidden.

Working only by magic.

This will assure no mistake is made in anyone's eyes and SS act to the highest standard of conduct as understood by reading the sermons.

Ok, I thought I linked the videos in the last post but here they are. https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/ that website is a good source for the detailed history although it is just on the political side. When it gets to things like Gott mit uns it may have a small amount of xian propaganda but other than that, it's a good watch and I highly recommend it.
 
FlameGhost said:
ZaZaz said:
I think the focus should be on Satanism, as it is. People associate TR with nostalgia, and old forms, or worse violent actions out side of magic. This is not true of Spiritual Satanism.

Satanama-Darma should be the focus without abandoning valid points related to TR from an occult point of view. historically and the lessons learned where applicable today, in the context of spiritual Satanism.

Further disassociation with set up organizations, and political should be strongly emphasized for safeties sake and pragmatic reasons. Make it clear this is not a political party, and dangerous and self defeating criminal activity is forbidden.

Working only by magic.

This will assure no mistake is made in anyone's eyes and SS act to the highest standard of conduct as understood by reading the sermons.

Ok, I thought I linked the videos in the last post but here they are. https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/ that website is a good source for the detailed history although it is just on the political side. When it gets to things like Gott mit uns it may have a small amount of xian propaganda but other than that, it's a good watch and I highly recommend it.

And yes I think you should watch it and check out the JOS webpage because as stated by Hitler ""Those who believe National Socialism to be merely a political group.....no it's a religion" and our statement "National Socialism is political Satanism". Also the group I'm trying to convince is a National Socialist group. If we can get other National Socialists who do not understand about what the Third Reich really was and to look into the JOS site and what it says that will truly help in waking the Gentile race and Humanity. Both Satanists and National Socialists alike are harassed every day and associated with horrible crimes, murder, rape, pedophilia etc. When it is all untrue and are lies. The best thing to do is to expose those lies and help in spreading the truth.
 
I posted that to second the High priestess Maxine's warning to stay safe and keep the JOS safe so focusing on Satan one would act only with Sorcery and stay out of enemy hands, it was from the mind and heart, not a distraction.Much spiritual truth of a practical occult nature is being reviled and aiding the world from these Ancient teachings of Satan and sermons. Occasionally saying things like this is just smart as there are younger men here confused by growing up with media ideas. The JOS is just to important to take chances in my view. I am not clergy here but that's just my considered Opinion. Take it as you will. I feel moved to say this. I said it. There it is. No one denies what your saying in your OP however.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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