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Post by HP. Hoodedcobra666 »

Greetings to everyone in the JoS family,

With great disappointment I have to relate specific things. In no way this should be taken a negative, but since most people look at those "who decide" to find the error, and not in those who "do the act" or the professional victim, I have to write and explain specific things.

We have been doing monumental organizational progress when it comes to the Joy of Satan to tend to your future and to fulfil Satan's Agenda, and we are nowhere near done. Infinite improvements abound.

Anyone who has not respected the path until now and the obligations these took has been already demoted. Most have already been demoted by their function, more specifically, the inaction.

Currently, all titles will have to be "won" from the beginning. Having worked daily for approximately 15 years with the Gods and having been too close to HPS Maxine, I will no longer tolerate for anyone to wear a diadem that is destined for those who have bled in it, versus to those who "Think" they have bled in it.

I cannot be told nonsense like maybe 6 months half assed devotees on how the Gods work, what their operations are, and how they think about things, as experience is quite far.

Further, this disrespects toiling members and the Gods alike who are doing what they should be doing. Nobody should have to listen to people that hardly do anything for them or did not want to keep providing even the minimal.

In the military or any other place in the world, you are not given certain authorities if you don't stand up for them and work for them. It's very simple indeed. Likewise, that will be here.

Alternatively, in the case of tolerating this, we run the risk of building a place of empty husks and ruins, and this is unacceptable. We are not a gamers discord server. Even there, if someone doesn't show up to do the minimal, they will be demoted.

That sounds very much reasonable. Cases where one can even return on these discord servers where kids play in even, are rare, and have to be on conditions.

So what about the JoS? Yes, it's bound to get more appropriate when it comes to positions and there will be no discourse to the contrary.

That's for the security of the community and to help everyone not having false expectations for people who cannot do what is ordained for them to do. The era for this is past. This harms the community and it takes a careless character to want to continue to do this after being given infinite chances to improve out of this, and even more infinite warnings.

In the new affairs you will know that anyone who wears something in this place is someone you can rely on. This is the level of performance the Gods respect.

People will also be able to be demoted, in the sense that one will either willingly be able to stop doing something [instead of we having to be harassed by their unwillingness] but also, if one doesn't do the absolute minimal to maintain something, it will go.

The same applies to marriages, corps in the land, any position in life. If you sleep on your desk then people get you out from your job. These are the rules of life and the only reason I have to explain is because most people have to actually wrap their heads around this concept as they think that this could be different. It cannot be.

Me, to give you a perspective, have never been absent from JoS in more than 24-36 hours. I never get to have 1/3rd of my day "outside" of this. It's my life.

Of course, that's the case for "me", yet something should be closer to this when they wear the "High Priest" title or some honorable title, than "I care less than a person who logs in twice per month" stranger or dabbler.

We are not a charity institution where those unable should command, or the careless should be given infinite chances. If one is unable to do what it takes in a position, they step down. If one has "other things to do", more important than maintaining the pillars of the Gods, and they have it somehow reasoned in their mind, then they are not for this position.

You cannot have a mayor or a military commander that just abandons post and always sends you letters on why that has been the case, even when asked formally to do that. The only part this should be acceptable is if they have a devastating illness, imprisonment, or other very serious circumstances that disallow the mere use of a phone or something.

As a mayor or a president cannot hold office for long absence, that will be the case here. Only in very specific circumstances this will be allowed. We live in the technology era. Everyone can find some time.

I know SS who are "up there" in life and they have a life most cannot fathom when it comes to lack of time, and yet, they meditate and do their dues everyday to advance.

These positions of blessing and influence, where the Gods take care of you personally, imply that one has as the FIRST and HIGHEST priority to serve the people and the Gods, and to promote Satan's Agenda.

Then, of course, one definitely has their personal life, which is built and progresses and so on. We aren't Buddhists.

I want all of you to be ambitious and look up to those who have advanced and marvel. Nobody should have the pain of going in front of an abandoned temple and looking for a non present High Priest, where one has to represent the power and care of the deity. Then, the temple falls into a heap of ruins, and people will ask: where are the Gods?

That is intolerable for now on. If one envisions themselves in the offices of the Gods, one must be ready to take on the blessings and power, yet the ordained life that goes with it.

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:07 pm
Greetings to everyone in the JoS family,

(...)

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666
Exactly, everything as you said is more than correct, fair, just and true, every word.

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People have the idea that the most important thing in these matters is to get power once. This is a wrong way of thinking. Because getting power is not the end, it is not the destination, it is actually the beginning.

People in power tend to become weak. This causes power to change hands over time. One who wants to keep power should be the servant of power, not its owner, and should be constantly strive to make himself worthy of it.

If power must be yours, it will find you. Getting power of which you are not worthy by trickery and dishonesty will only bring absolute downfall. Above all, you must be true to yourself. Power that the ego cannot handle will bring inferiority complex and absolute corruption.
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Agree, and know who you mean.



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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:07 pm
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-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666
First off. I wanted to say I am very pleased to see this as the stance for the Joy of Satan for now on, as it is necessary and important this is the case.

The days of absent placeholders, and people who would just disappear for months on end and claim high priest, or claim they are VIP or something, are over and that is definitely for the best.

Nobody here needs to be looking for a high priest or someone and have the question of "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY?"

I'm sure we could imagine what our ancestors would think of a situation like this.

The point you make about walking into the temple of Satan and the high priest managing the post being gone is just incredibly important to understand properly.

Imagine we were in Ancient Greece or Egypt or something, and one just walks into the Temple of the Gods and the high priest that is meant to manage the post is just GONE. Completely fucking gone.

A war is going on. bloodshed, problems, people needing assistance, famine in the fields, etc... and guess what?

Empty office...

Imagine if this extended further. We schedule a meeting with the pharaoh or a government offical for something super important and they are JUST FUCKING GONE, NOT THERE.

Like nowhere to be found. Months on end. A whole damn year practically. Then they just show up back one day and resume like nothing by happened.

I could only envision what Pythagoras or one of our enlightened ancestors would have to say about this. They would likely be extremely displeased.

Only people from now on who embody the meaning of Priest should be High Priest or High Priestess.
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Yes, this is how it should be.
Not only is experience and advancement important, but even more so the right character.
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If one has "other things to do", more important than maintaining the pillars of the Gods, and they have it somehow reasoned in their mind, then they are not for this position.
It never sat well with me when in the past members mocked others who spent a lot of time here or recommended to not be on the internet so much while the latter might be good advice for a normie or a member spending way too much time on normie activities online that in no way can be attributed to this place.

People who say and still think that spending time reading or replying with things that are related to this place is somehow a waste shows that they do not take this place serious. I hope the ones I have seen say these things have gotten a reality check for their own sake.

The only exceptions of course would be the ones you mentioned.

I do believe this is necessary as this is yet another necessary step to refine this amazing place. Maxine brought us the tools to make a blade and gave us the fundamentals of its usage while you are teaching us how to sharpen our blades and how to better have use of it as individuals. Both highly respectable and necessary at their times.
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so does this mean that the JoS guardians and other High priest/esses have been demoted ? and that means new ones are coming ?
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People need to work for their titles and earn the respect from others. It wasn't fair that a person had a high ranking title yet did next to nothing for the JoS for years. The JoS is about being fair, those who work hard get the recognition deserved.

Clergy = public servant. HP Cobra is a true clergy member, as he literally slaves away answering posts, answering private emails, making sermons, making the RTR rituals, making the God rituals, and who knows what else, endlessly. As he wrote, never being more than 24-36 hours away from the JoS. That's astounding.
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A strong stance is needed, in order to prevent any fall of Satan's Temple on Earth in any way.

The Joy of Satan must be upheld in the highest ability and honor by those of us who seek to bring back the glory of the Gods to our world.

Thank you HP HoodedCobra for upholding the standards and showing in actions and dedication the example of a worthy leader for the Joy of Satan.

You inspire me as always in your dedication and work.

It is good that those who receive titles are tried and tested, and also required to uphold through their actions the standards signifying their merit to carry these titles.


Let the Joy of Satan continue to grow and expand, and let Satan's temple be ordained in all the worlds praises and respect as it were in the past ages.

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We were told a few years ago, the Gods would literally arrive in ~20 Years. In all their Divine Glory, Dignified and Honorable, Leaders of Entire Legions of Daemons, Masters of the Universe. They do have Order and Discipline, Titles and Responsibilities, For hundreds and hundredthousands of years they have led their own Families and Communities into Godlike proportions. Whatever I can imagine of their percieved glory is likely only 1% of the reality.

We were also told, those who do not do Warfare for Satan, are of no Value to him(I am unsure exactly how this was said its been many many years)

Our Ancestors were Kings and Queens, Aristocrats and Nobles, Knights and Ladies, ascended beings ordained by the Gods to be High Priests and Leaders of this Planet.

How often we glorify those soldiers who stand on the Frontline, who give life and limb, they crawl in the mud while ceaseless artillery and destruction is cast upon them.

Those who hide and run during wartime are rightfully so, demoted or executed, when the entire of Humanity, Civilization necessitates action in order to achieve Victory. A lack of action is an Act of Treason against Humanity.

I know when the Gods arrive, when they come to my community and I show up to see them or they come directly to my Home. How will they address me by Name and grant me privileges to join their ranks. My family and community, they will understand immediately why this is so, because I never ceased to advance my community towards Godlike proportions.

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This was very important. Many things seem to be changing with the gravity of the times and this is a huge step in the best direction.
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I have always thought that if someone is not willing to fulfill the responsibilities and the work involved, he/she should not accept this position from the beginning.
And Maxine Dietrich is the perfect example that this can be combined with your daily life because she have a husband and children.
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I agree 100%

I am assuming this post was inspired by the fact that Shannon tried to post in the announcements.
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Unfortunate, but understandable.
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I agree, upholding a rank is more than just a shiny title. It's a shame what happened.
Sometimes people become complacent like a prior poster mentioned, and this is a result.
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Lydia [JG] wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:56 pm
People need to work for their titles and earn the respect from others. It wasn't fair that a person had a high ranking title yet did next to nothing for the JoS for years. The JoS is about being fair, those who work hard get the recognition deserved.

Clergy = public servant. HP Cobra is a true clergy member, as he literally slaves away answering posts, answering private emails, making sermons, making the RTR rituals, making the God rituals, and who knows what else, endlessly. As he wrote, never being more than 24-36 hours away from the JoS. That's astounding.
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I know more or less who this topic is about, but nevertheless reading it fills me with a blow of reality, I know that I must complete something here with all of you and I am willing to complete it, situations led me to pause that work but I think I am more stable economically.

I remember when I was a teenager and the gods guided me here, back then I was just someone who used his powers 'to lovingly attract whoever I wanted in my school; I never failed in any love spell but at the end of the day I knew with pain and failures that I was doing wrong by focusing on the social popularity of that time.

Currently I am of age, still very young but I am looking for financial freedom, that's why I paused many things; to work on those weak areas of my life, I am now more stable financially not 100% to consider myself free and independent; but enough to work again here.

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This is absolute beauty and glory. This is a HP I want to follow. Thank you for being the Glory of JoS and of the Earth so that we can look up at you like to a star and feel proud to have you as we are proud to have our Gods. Seems Gods themselves show us this example of eternal glory proved by eternal work, because they prove themselves and their devotion to the higher goal every minute. So we just follow their example and guidance in it - this is how our civilizations were designed to be. Let it be this title stays in these heights for eternity for other generations, and shines and guides them in the night and never fall back.

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:07 pm
We are not a charity institution where those unable should command, or the careless should be given infinite chances.

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666
Couldn't agree more.

Indeed a high ranking individual must respect their position and time. The higher ups must always maintain their character, because every sane individual looks up to the higher ones, not to the lower ones. The higher individuals are in position where the time of infinite chances is gone, the chances are always limited and dependent on the situation of the individual and the action, one cannot come up with blunders after blunders and expect to be forgiven or excused, demotion or expulsion are to be expected. That is how life works, if you walk, you move, if you don't, you just stay where you are, or worse left behind and become the lowest of all.

In the military one mistake can cost thousands of lives, therefore mistakes shouldn't be taken lightly all the time like the jews preach in their information warfare on social media, giving the wrong advices like "mistakes are your friend". No, do not befriend mistakes, you should be ready to accept your mistakes and learn from them to never be repeated again. One mustn't befriend them, otherwise in this situation the human mind becomes passive and careless as your subconscious is slowly programmed to take every task lightly because you have been made to believe that your mistakes will be 'accepted' by all. They give you the half baked crap of a adivce, here they never talk about the consequences.
People get to know this the hard way when some day the consequences of one of their mistakes hits them hard in their life. That's why one should strive to do things perfectly and carefully.
And half baked advice, thats what most of the social media is full of, so do analyze a given advice, even my advice above. The information warfare is a big deal for many countries, countries like israel as we know work on spreading misinformation, they are not alone, US, China, Russia, India, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and many more engage in it on domestic and international level.

On a side note, it is very much possible for a lower individual to disguise as a higher individual to pollute or degrade the surroundings, the position, and the individuals who look up to them or the position. Example: jews, ex-hp mageson.
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GoldenxChild1 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:35 pm
I agree 100%

I am assuming this post was inspired by the fact that Shannon tried to post in the announcements.
How did you get it, Sherlock? :lol:

Besides that... What is wrong with her posting on the announcements.

Do you know what you did right now?

You just messed up with a member who contributed!

What do you think this relates too, except total hypocrisy from the supposed HP because he shouldn't be as he banned a lot of individuals in order to be the only HP.

Where is HPS Maxine?

Nowhere.

Where is Mageson?

Nowhere.

Where is HPS Myla Limlal?

Nowhere.

Where is HPS Lyma Glimcazoma?

Nowhere.

Then we have HP Cobra who is the only one here.

This smells fishy in my opinion!!!
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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:07 pm
Me, to give you a perspective, have never been absent from JoS in more than 24-36 hours. I never get to have 1/3rd of my day "outside" of this. It's my life.

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666
This sounds extremely fearful, and I feel like apologizing for literally destroying your life because I am a newbie asking questions. Yet there is one consolation and secret to this, coming not from us newbies of course - we will never pay our debt, but from the Gods.

Service to Gods and devotion to Satanism is not what stands behind expected life problems, but stepping behind them it helps to solve them instead. So there are secret benefits of being seemingly totally crucified on this service. Life has dimensions and levels and there are rewards to those who for this or that reason decided to sacrifice seriously. Gods help their people to solve unsolvable problems that those who are without or unserious usually just never solve. They return things. And they care that we have our life and beyond. And certain people who really were serious got more than they lost.
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All of you people who are such bleeding hearts, you should have been mailing these people yourself. As them yourself, why haven't they given the appropriate care?

Instead, because I have been the most responsible and did my earnest, you try to cast improper statements on me. In fact, you should be asking THEM where they are, or what happened.
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
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Where Shannon
On the land of "I cannot do 1 post per two weeks twice a month because I am too busy but when I heard this will not be tolerated after three years of being told to do the absolute minimal, I decided to make two within less than 24 hours."

AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
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Where is HPS Maxine?

Nowhere.
Not sure, many rumors around. Follow whichever one is fitting.

She has always been real and I will not betray any confidentiality. Keep making up stories. Might as well ask the kikes who claim to know.

If they know, why are they so mad? Maybe something unexpected happened and that is beyond their imagination?
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm

Where is Mageson?
Nowhere.
Most probably a local synagogue with other infiltrators, not sure. I mean, why not? Oy vey.
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
Where is HPS Myla Limlal?

Nowhere.
A few people know, they could enlighten you, learn to gossip better.

They have been around and wrote a topic, too. That should answer things.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.ph ... 02#p305002
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
Where is HPS Myla Limlal?Where is HPS Lyma Glimcazoma?

Nowhere.
He had a fatality many years ago, which had to do with a health issue. People can speak about that one too. They are still around and they know. He has always been a realest one.
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
Then we have HP Cobra who is the only one here.
I know that aggravates you, but not everything will go in the linear line for the jews on that one.

I know, it's annuda shoah.
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
This smells fishy in my opinion!!!
Your opinion is both uninformed and produced out of spite and trying to cast doubt.

Everyone who is on the proper places knows what is going on, so to cast doubts is only for fools. When the facts will out, you will all revile in shame.

JoS will stand kikes, enjoy being bitter.
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AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
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You are so dumb as a jew, goddamn. I truly feel mercy for you seeing you like this. This is critical level, no joke.
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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
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AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
GoldenxChild1 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:35 pm
I agree 100%

I am assuming this post was inspired by the fact that Shannon tried to post in the announcements.
...

This smells fishy in my opinion!!!
In the meanwhile how was the session during being possessed by disgusting angel filth while talking in riddles in the other thread?

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
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This makes me doubt what she said in all of these years... was Shannon honest? Or was she another infiltrator? This is what I don't understand. And if she was just lazy then I can't still belive how much advanced she said she was or how close to the Gods she is.
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Baroness Blossom wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:44 pm
so does this mean that the JoS guardians and other High priest/esses have been demoted ? and that means new ones are coming ?
The JOS Guardians are the new "generation" of Satanists that will be uplifted for their work and devotion to the Community. Only the high priests that became so years ago and long before the Guardian title came up are affected, as those high priests are theoretically considered the Clergy/leadership of Joy of Satan, but they went unnoticed for years and it is barely known why they left. This is why the Guardians exist now, to ensure that only the responsible and dedicated people can advance in ranks and therefore become positive models for other people to follow.
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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
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I assumed Maxine got picked up on a spaceship and is training like Goku xD
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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
He had a fatality many years ago, which had to do with a health issue. People can speak about that one too. They are still around and they know. He has always been a realest one.
Damn it man, that is just tragic. I had no idea, my condolences.
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luis wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:02 pm
HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
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This makes me doubt what she said in all of these years... was Shannon honest? Or was she another infiltrator? This is what I don't understand. And if she was just lazy then I can't still belive how much advanced she said she was or how close to the Gods she is.
No, she has been totally legitimate. Please don't take this too far. This is a situation of where one might have not been able to perform on their duties.

The issues around this SPECIFIC thing have been explained.

Additionally, this might change in the future. But one will have to work anew to regain a title and so on.

Shannon has been except of legitimate as a person, a very good person and that is known to everyone. I will not entertain personal slander against her, and no, she has never been in anyway bad as an individual.

On the advancement thing, people have to understand, one cannot be THAT close to the Gods and not do specific tasks. That is NOT how that works. Past that everything is about their personal stuff which is in the "whatever" territory.

This can come from misplaced understanding, or taking things a bit too far. That is not necessarily in ill intent. In fact, when it comes to legitimate people, it rarely is.

Not everyone who might fall into an error or make a series of wrongs is an "infiltrator". Infiltration is doing this with ill intent and bad motives. Shannon's motives were never bad as far as I know and others know too.

I won't comment on the statements of "being too much up there", because anyone with a regular intelligence understands that anyone like this wouldn't do things like that. You cannot state you are Olympics level but you can't get up the stairs. That is part of common sense. Anything else besides that is bullshit.

Please use great judgement.
Powerofjustice wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:14 pm
HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
He had a fatality many years ago, which had to do with a health issue. People can speak about that one too. They are still around and they know. He has always been a realest one.
Damn it man, that is just tragic. I had no idea, my condolences.
It has been, yes.
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Re: Demotion Of Clergy - New Rules

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Shadowcat wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:08 pm
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
GoldenxChild1 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:35 pm
I agree 100%

I am assuming this post was inspired by the fact that Shannon tried to post in the announcements.
...

This smells fishy in my opinion!!!
In the meanwhile how was the session during being possessed by disgusting angel filth while talking in riddles in the other thread?

Your kind truly is useless, now scurry on back into your hole, rat.
I was possessed, :lol: by my original creator Father Satan.

Those riddles were meant to make you and the others who wished to do it, to understand my abilities and powers, magical and physical.

Yet... I see no one wished to do so.

What a shame! You could have even be paid with over $100 million dollars worth in Bitcoin if you resolved my riddle.

But, I guess you work and have a lot of money so it is already pointless to saythat you need money and such.

Anyways... I wasn't possessed by a Jewish sick of a shit Angel they have in the Xian bibles and you assuming that my kind is useless is totally pure slander against the Hispanics and the Latino population.

So, I am no JIDF or any other individual or organization to attack, yet you barge in with the my kind is useless and such posts.

What a shame...
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Couldn't agree more, HP - and I think that what you've said is fair enough.

I'm not quoting directly, but I believe you said in one of your sermons something along the lines of, "In an unequal world, hierarchy is the only fair form of social order", and this rings true here. Those who work hard and deserve the ranks should get them. They in turn become the most apt at helping others rise up who are beneath their ability, and so on.
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NakedPluto wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:52 pm
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
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You are so dumb as a jew, goddamn. I truly feel mercy for you seeing you like this. This is critical level, no joke.
I am not dumb and I am not a Jew, contrary to your misconception.

Please refrain from saying that a non Jew like me is totally useless and is dumb and whatever things you may have said to me.

I am not a Jew and I am not dumb.

I just wanted the personal clarification of some things yet I feel like I am left in a lot of doubt that is, I hope I am not right about it, intentionally casted upon me.

If you do not have answers toy questions, then you can simply call it a day and stop wasting time.

Have something to help me?

Though I doubt it, maybe you state it now.
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I have a feeling our bro HP Cobra is under attack again.
Maybe we should do a small group ritual, schedule for the support/protection of him?
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AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:43 pm
Shadowcat wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:08 pm
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
...

This smells fishy in my opinion!!!
In the meanwhile how was the session during being possessed by disgusting angel filth while talking in riddles in the other thread?

Your kind truly is useless, now scurry on back into your hole, rat.
I was possessed, :lol: by my original creator Father Satan.

Those riddles were meant to make you and the others who wished to do it, to understand my abilities and powers, magical and physical.

Yet... I see no one wished to do so.

What a shame! You could have even be paid with over $100 million dollars worth in Bitcoin if you resolved my riddle.

But, I guess you work and have a lot of money so it is already pointless to saythat you need money and such.

Anyways... I wasn't possessed by a Jewish sick of a shit Angel they have in the Xian bibles and you assuming that my kind is useless is totally pure slander against the Hispanics and the Latino population.

So, I am no JIDF or any other individual or organization to attack, yet you barge in with the my kind is useless and such posts.

What a shame...
Your schizo rants are always the same.
What's in it for you, to be a slave of a rabbi, who is a slave of greys/reptiles? What do you get for doing their dirty work?
A gold nugget? You should rebel against your community and become our slaves instead.
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Re: Demotion Of Clergy - New Rules

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:15 pm
luis wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:02 pm
HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
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This makes me doubt what she said in all of these years... was Shannon honest? Or was she another infiltrator? This is what I don't understand. And if she was just lazy then I can't still belive how much advanced she said she was or how close to the Gods she is.
No, she has been totally legitimate. Please don't take this too far. This is a situation of where one might have not been able to perform on their duties.

The issues around this SPECIFIC thing have been explained.

Additionally, this might change in the future. But one will have to work anew to regain a title and so on.

Shannon has been except of legitimate as a person, a very good person and that is known to everyone. I will not entertain personal slander against her, and no, she has never been in anyway bad as an individual.

On the advancement thing, people have to understand, one cannot be THAT close to the Gods and not do specific tasks. That is NOT how that works. Past that everything is about their personal stuff which is in the "whatever" territory.

This can come from misplaced understanding, or taking things a bit too far. That is not necessarily in ill intent. In fact, when it comes to legitimate people, it rarely is.

Not everyone who might fall into an error or make a series of wrongs is an "infiltrator". Infiltration is doing this with ill intent and bad motives. Shannon's motives were never bad as far as I know and others know too.

I won't comment on the statements of "being too much up there", because anyone with a regular intelligence understands that anyone like this wouldn't do things like that. You cannot state you are Olympics level but you can't get up the stairs. That is part of common sense. Anything else besides that is bullshit.

Please use great judgement.
Powerofjustice wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:14 pm
HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
He had a fatality many years ago, which had to do with a health issue. People can speak about that one too. They are still around and they know. He has always been a realest one.
Damn it man, that is just tragic. I had no idea, my condolences.
It has been, yes.
I understand, It's just because we had before the Mageson situation so I was confused. About her spiritual advancement, I've only read from her own post she could comunicate with the Gods and so this is why I thought she must be pretty advanced.

I guess what I don't undestand is how can someone do these lazy mistakes while being so close to the Gods. I don't have anything against her and she helped me in the past too but I guess humans that are not fully raised and/or Gods can still do these types of mistakes.
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I mean no disrespect to Shannon or whoever else wasn't able to live up to the title, but I think that this situation is only fair, your work is visible by anyone, everyone here knows how dedicated you are to the JoS and to the Community, and for someone to have the same rank as you, they would have to work as hard as you... otherwise it would be unfair both to you and also to HPS Maxine who worked the hardest and created this place for all of us. You both set the bar too high and not everyone will be able to live up to that. We can't have it any other way, we have to be serious about hierarchy.
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AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm


Those riddles were meant to make you and the others who wished to do it, to understand my abilities and powers, magical and physical.

Yet... I see no one wished to do so.
Get off your high horse, I don't give a shit if you are an infiltrator, a kike, or just a dumb kid who thinks he is some kind of God without even putting in any effort to be so. You aren't all that. Stop trying to seem or act more important than you are because you aren't going to gain any respect acting like a fool.

Either stop playing silly, immature "mind games" with people and whip some sense into your thick head right now and realize the gravity and importance of this situation, and spiritual Satanism. Or Sit down, close your mouth and stop trying to instigate. You think this is a game or some fun thing? messing with people, This isn't a circus and you aren't a ring master, you're a clown at best. and the only circus is the one you parade around by saying dumb and useless things like that.

You must grow up, work on yourself, if you are a gentile at all then you must realize how important this is to be mature, and to be serious about this situation. Do you think Satan would appreciate childish games in his palace? amongst any of his warriors? Take this seriously and be warned Father Satan and the Gods will not tolerate that kind of behavior.

I will not point my finger and say you are a kike, If you are, the Gods will deal with your shenanigans before long. And that is no concern of mine. It's on you. but I do know you are trolling and no one respects or cares a damn what a troll has to say.

To be taken seriously you must be serious. NO more games, Learn to think before you speak, Learn better manners and behavior. And stop talking shit, because that is helping no one. especially not you.
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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:07 pm

I want all of you to be ambitious and look up to those who have advanced and marvel. Nobody should have the pain of going in front of an abandoned temple and looking for a non present High Priest, where one has to represent the power and care of the deity. Then, the temple falls into a heap of ruins, and people will ask: where are the Gods?

That is intolerable for now on. If one envisions themselves in the offices of the Gods, one must be ready to take on the blessings and power, yet the ordained life that goes with it.

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That really got me right there. The gravity of this situation is very apparent, to be someone in that position to serve your people and Satan is someone who should always be there when needed. Not to abandon or turn your back on those who need you, when they need you the most. I will strive my hardest to take things like this to heart and to work my very hardest to never abandon my people. I have the deepest of respect for you Hooded Cobra. and to Blitz and Lydia and all the others who are always there helping in every way they can. I hope one day I too can strive to do the same. As always you are a continuous source of inspiration for me and a great role model, one who deserves the place you are in because you earned it with hard work and such dedication. a role model everyone should learn from and emulate in their actions. Truly you and the others who make this community the wonderful place it is, have made Satan and the Gods very proud. I hope one day to accomplish many good things, and to also make them proud as well.

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
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Hello,

First of all I have been given permission to speak here, no one freak out. Also I want to say my allegiance is with the Joy of Satan, Maxine and Cobra no matter what. I am not involved with Don and Zola and havent been for years. I've come to speak about High Priest Micama Gmicalazoma.

This was a personal friend of mine for years before he was made clergy. This man, built the previous forum, the website truth of Satan, and was the only with, Maxine and Cobra that constantly worked together as a team and accomplished much. This man was strong, physically this was no wimp. He taught me how to meditate and got me started.

This was my best friend in the entire world. Unfortunately he had an accident back in 2014. I know I have treated many of you badly, and there's no excuse. But I went from a happy go lucky guy that made everyone laugh to a very cold and aggressive person. I just didn't know how to deal with the pain and trying to continue on alone with the JOS.

Every year we held a memorial for him, and gave words about him and exchanged pictures, we still do this to this day. This man was on a very high level, he was incredibly gifted spiritually. Thank the Gods we still have Cobra here fighting every day. Micama has been reincarnated and will live a much better life because of the work that we have all done! Never forget this! Never lose hope. The Final RTR will be the saving grace of all of us.

On this day I ask that we all give a moment of our time to give thanks and Hail to this great man and the work and sacrifice that he gave without complaint.

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:15 pm
luis wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:02 pm
HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
....
This makes me doubt what she said in all of these years... was Shannon honest? Or was she another infiltrator? This is what I don't understand. And if she was just lazy then I can't still belive how much advanced she said she was or how close to the Gods she is.
No, she has been totally legitimate. Please don't take this too far. This is a situation of where one might have not been able to perform on their duties.

The issues around this SPECIFIC thing have been explained.

Additionally, this might change in the future. But one will have to work anew to regain a title and so on.

Shannon has been except of legitimate as a person, a very good person and that is known to everyone. I will not entertain personal slander against her, and no, she has never been in anyway bad as an individual.

On the advancement thing, people have to understand, one cannot be THAT close to the Gods and not do specific tasks. That is NOT how that works. Past that everything is about their personal stuff which is in the "whatever" territory.

This can come from misplaced understanding, or taking things a bit too far. That is not necessarily in ill intent. In fact, when it comes to legitimate people, it rarely is.

Not everyone who might fall into an error or make a series of wrongs is an "infiltrator". Infiltration is doing this with ill intent and bad motives. Shannon's motives were never bad as far as I know and others know too.

I won't comment on the statements of "being too much up there", because anyone with a regular intelligence understands that anyone like this wouldn't do things like that. You cannot state you are Olympics level but you can't get up the stairs. That is part of common sense. Anything else besides that is bullshit.

Please use great judgement.
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SapphireDragon wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:15 pm
AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm


Those riddles were meant to make you and the others who wished to do it, to understand my abilities and powers, magical and physical.

Yet... I see no one wished to do so.
Get off your high horse, I don't give a shit if you are an infiltrator, a kike, or just a dumb kid who thinks he is some kind of God without even putting in any effort to be so. You aren't all that. Stop trying to seem or act more important than you are because you aren't going to gain any respect acting like a fool.

Either stop playing silly, immature "mind games" with people and whip some sense into your thick head right now and realize the gravity and importance of this situation, and spiritual Satanism. Or Sit down, close your mouth and stop trying to instigate. You think this is a game or some fun thing? messing with people, This isn't a circus and you aren't a ring master, you're a clown at best. and the only circus is the one you parade around by saying dumb and useless things like that.

You must grow up, work on yourself, if you are a gentile at all then you must realize how important this is to be mature, and to be serious about this situation. Do you think Satan would appreciate childish games in his palace? amongst any of his warriors? Take this seriously and be warned Father Satan and the Gods will not tolerate that kind of behavior.

I will not point my finger and say you are a kike, If you are, the Gods will deal with your shenanigans before long. And that is no concern of mine. It's on you. but I do know you are trolling and no one respects or cares a damn what a troll has to say.

To be taken seriously you must be serious. NO more games, Learn to think before you speak, Learn better manners and behavior. And stop talking shit, because that is helping no one. especially not you.
I am not playing any mind games or something.

I just said that if someone wanted to guess what my powers are and how I can use them very well, he or she was welcomed to do so.

Yet no one wished to do so and that is only on their mental accountability, nothing else.

Furthermore, I am not playing any silly games and I am not a retarded kid, an infiltrator or a kike and, contrary to your supposition, I am more than spiritually developed than you.

I am using both powers of darkness and light in a very good and applicable manner and I also saw that without your help, without the community's help, I mean, I am more better on my own.

Very shameful... you could have been the one to decipher a lot of information and win a lot of money by it, yet... you refused to take both of the offers and said some things like this.

Do not call me a kike as, again, as I told Shadowcat about it, I am Hispanic and half-latino, so I am no kike and I do not look like one.

It is in the Gods' and Satan's interest that you, Shadowcat and others control your behavior and stop pointing out that everyone who basically disagrees with you it's a kike, a shill, a Jew or something like this.

Do you clearly know how many Jews live in the U.S. and in Brazil and you do not even know they exist around you, or that you have them in your family?

Why are you focusing your attention to me as I am not a Jew, nor a dumb kid.

I evolve and work spiritually with Father and his Demons and the Gods.

Also, as a side-note, maybe you want to check my other topics where I have replied to HP Hooded Cobra and told him that there are a lot of doubts.

I even replied to NakedPluto and Shadowcat but in a very civilized manner.

Have I swore at her or at NakedPluto (NP)? No

Have I said things that were meant to threaten SC (ShadowCat) or NP? No

Have I harassed them in any way? No

So... please... just learn and read everything before jumping to conclusions and writing.

I am not a troll, other people are such as Abyssos who is pushing incel values and blackpill ideals.

What about him? :lol:
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AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
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:lol: chill out, as I do not become anyone's slave, not even figuratively.
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Lydia [JG] wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:56 pm
People need to work for their titles and earn the respect from others. It wasn't fair that a person had a high ranking title yet did next to nothing for the JoS for years. The JoS is about being fair, those who work hard get the recognition deserved.

Clergy = public servant. HP Cobra is a true clergy member, as he literally slaves away answering posts, answering private emails, making sermons, making the RTR rituals, making the God rituals, and who knows what else, endlessly. As he wrote, never being more than 24-36 hours away from the JoS. That's astounding.
totally true, even when he is 200% busy, he always find time for joy of Satan and his brothers, for me HP HC is more than a HP, is like my big brother and I will always admire and respect him and I will always try to give as much as he does to joy of Satan, but in my way

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Re: Demotion Of Clergy - New Rules

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Bravera wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:30 pm
We were told a few years ago, the Gods would literally arrive in ~20 Years. In all their Divine Glory, Dignified and Honorable, Leaders of Entire Legions of Daemons, Masters of the Universe. They do have Order and Discipline, Titles and Responsibilities, For hundreds and hundredthousands of years they have led their own Families and Communities into Godlike proportions. Whatever I can imagine of their percieved glory is likely only 1% of the reality.

We were also told, those who do not do Warfare for Satan, are of no Value to him(I am unsure exactly how this was said its been many many years)

Our Ancestors were Kings and Queens, Aristocrats and Nobles, Knights and Ladies, ascended beings ordained by the Gods to be High Priests and Leaders of this Planet.

How often we glorify those soldiers who stand on the Frontline, who give life and limb, they crawl in the mud while ceaseless artillery and destruction is cast upon them.

Those who hide and run during wartime are rightfully so, demoted or executed, when the entire of Humanity, Civilization necessitates action in order to achieve Victory. A lack of action is an Act of Treason against Humanity.

I know when the Gods arrive, when they come to my community and I show up to see them or they come directly to my Home. How will they address me by Name and grant me privileges to join their ranks. My family and community, they will understand immediately why this is so, because I never ceased to advance my community towards Godlike proportions.

I build a resume to the God's, that I may work directly under their command to bring Spiritual Satanism and Divine Natural Order back into this planet.
I Highly doubt the Gods will arrive in, what now? 15 years from now?

And if, this is in a different sense that most of you here believe.
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Keep your soul clean and build an Aura of Protection.. Returning Curses Pt 1 & Pt 2

-> Hatha Yoga Session, for a safely ascension of your serpent. (by HighPriest HoodedCobra666)

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Re: Demotion Of Clergy - New Rules

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luis wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:02 pm
HP. Hoodedcobra666 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:51 pm
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This makes me doubt what she said in all of these years... was Shannon honest? Or was she another infiltrator? This is what I don't understand. And if she was just lazy then I can't still belive how much advanced she said she was or how close to the Gods she is.
Infiltrators would abuse the position they have in, and besides that, we have HPHC, he would have purged any wrong knowledge.

What you need to understand is, that NOT EVERYONE in cut to be a HighPriest of Satan. We have many advanced people on the forums rn, and legit, there is NO ONE besides Cobra who would be a good fit to be a HP.
You need the right character.

I can understand that many are above me, and that I could learn much from them, but still, nobody besides Cobra is cut to be a HP for now. At least in my opinion.

Besides many try to "play" that they are cut to be HP, SlyScorpion was one of few examples.

So no, Shannon IS NOT an infiltrator. If she were one Cobra would have kicked her out, she just lost her HPS status.
"Don’t quit. Suffer now,
and live the rest of your life as a Champion.“

Follow Inanna’s eight-fold path of advanced empowerment

Keep your soul clean and build an Aura of Protection.. Returning Curses Pt 1 & Pt 2

-> Hatha Yoga Session, for a safely ascension of your serpent. (by HighPriest HoodedCobra666)

Read the Joy of Satan: Learn the truth and knowledge that has been secret and forbidden for MILLENIA!!

STAND TALL, BE PROUD, BE STRONG, YOU ARE PART OF SATAN‘S HOUSE!

HAIL LADY INANNA!!
HAIL LORD APOLLO!!
HAIL BAAL-ZEBULON!!
HAIL FATHER SATAN!!
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Re: Demotion Of Clergy - New Rules

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AshStarIshtar_88 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:17 pm
GoldenxChild1 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:35 pm
I agree 100%

I am assuming this post was inspired by the fact that Shannon tried to post in the announcements.
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Oyyy veyy you're on to something there, make sure you sniff that glue again before replying
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It is not necessary that I should compare myself to others, or imagine myself greater or higher than them.

Ignore all consideration of the respective qualities of others and endeavor to realize the fact that I am a great Center of Consciousness - a Center of Power - a Center of Influence - a Center of Thought.

And like the planets circling around the sun, so does the world revolve around me who is its center.
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Re: Demotion Of Clergy - New Rules

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Perhaps you can follow up this post up with some things you would like to see out of an aspiring high preist or an ambitious individual.

Like as the JOS is currently I can't really do much other then spiritual warfare and regular monetary contributions I'm not very tech savvy so I can't make your cyber security better or make cool interactive pages like the FRTR page how you can draw on it etc.

My skills are more useful for sabotage or guriella warfare I also try to spread JOS propaganda using pamphlets or flyers from time to time not constantly so I'm harder to track down but every now and again I'll just paper bomb an area so people atleast hear about us.

I'm a very ambitious individual and I have made a lot of big positive leaps in my personal life recently I have been looking at getting out of construction and getting into the fitness industry I want to become a personal trainer and nutritionist.

My personality type would suggest that this would be a fulfilling role for me as I really enjoy helping others it can make you a lot of money and you can stay really fit on top of all of that I'm my own boss so I can choose how much I work and when if I go balls to walls with it you can even be a fitness youtuber and get a following happening so I can step into the role of life coach and I can advertise the Hellenic Greek religion and such as my spiritual path and conveniently guide others down this path become a positive male role model to other males try and setup youth programs like scouts at schools and such again all leaning towards the old ways this has become my new game plan.
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