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What is Fascism? (from both a Non-NS/NS perspective):

Gearshift

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I'm aware due to copious ignorance and outright stupidity these terms both National Socialism and Fascism have been clumped together and turned into vile scum shit garbage by various "winners

Can someone explain to me the difference between National Socialism and Fascism?

Some might point out my signature which I stare we are not Fascist. And I also understand Hitler and Mussolini never saw eye-to-eye on things plus the 1943 entrance of Germans to Italy only to go WTF the jews are in all sorts of power position.

Is Fascism the National Socialist version of (NATO/OTAN) i.e. contain Communist Nations by way of political change. In other words to slow the spread of Marxist virus from counter-memeing the culture in their counter-culture revolution.

I'm also aware that we are TECHNICALLY(to a small degree) Anti-Fascist naturally(in a positive non-destructive manner like Anti-Fa; more intellectually aware we are not fully compatible per say) that while some ideas can be construed as good certainly Fascism DID something to help alleviate certain factors of economic, communistic expansion, and certain reactionary as well as revolutionary factors. Fascism doesn't really do much in terms of what Hitler's NS did.
 
I would say each party had their own definition of what Fascism was, Mussolini & Mosley's version
was political and economic, where as Arnold Leese's was political, economic & racial, or Racial-Fascism
as he called it....the problem with the term 'Socialism' in Britain was the genuine patriotic types detested it
in any form, as they see it as linked to Marxism/Communism, so were not likely to use the term in the name
of a party, all though late in the 1930's William Joyce started the National Socialist League.
 
THE Imperial Fascist League
1. Fascism: Its Principles

FASCISM is defined as a patriotic revolt against democracy and a return
to statesmanship. Fascist rule insists upon the duty of co-operation.
Fascism itself is less a policy than a state of mind. It is the national
observance of duty towards others. The Great War, together with the
progress of science and the growth of education, has founded a new ideal.
The Fascist community is one that has begun to think historically; to
recognise its responsibilities as a link between the past and the future of
the race.
A Fascist regards his inheritance as something held in trust for the next
generation. He does service to the State as “ the guardian and transmitter
of the spirit of the people.” Through it, he is able to co-operate with his
descendants as well as with the workers of the past in the building up of
civilisation. He joins with his contemporaries in a compact of loyalty and
self-sacrifice, Fascism keeps alive the spirit of the trenches and makes it
a traditional inheritance. There is greater satisfaction it» service thus
voluntarily undertaken than in the false liberty belonging to democratic
government. That is why Fascism succeeds.
The response of the governing power so consolidated is threefold. Fascist
rule embodies a more adequate system of representation, a higher standard
of administrative efficiency, and stronger measures of protection, where-under the citizen may cultivate at will his personality and his private
interests. The production of wealth is thus left in the hands of the
individual who is responsible to and also safeguarded by the State.

The aim of all politics is to maintain Security for the Racial and National
Culture and for its gradual evolution in accordance with native tradition;
humanity has no other guide than this. The organisation of the Fascist
Corporative State removes all matters of price and wage to their proper
sphere under the protection of the State, and keeps them rigidly out of
high politics.
A serving political aristocracy, in the truest sense of the word, is a
necessity for the permanently successful working of any Government; and
there is no short road to its development. It is the object of the Imperial
Fascist League to form its nucleus by trial and proof of Character and of
Good Faith. The British Empire cannot be dominated by one man ; a team,
acting as one man, must be got together, every member of it with complete
trust in the good faith of the others, so that the Fascist Tradition may
become that characteristically British and Nordic one of Good Faith.
 
IMO Arnold Leese was the man who could have saved us from the world we live in today, this was
why Sir Oswald Mosley was put in place to stop him, as well as the likes of Henry Hamilton Beamish & the expert
monetary reformer Arthur Kitson, before the Imperial Fascist League grew so much support that it was anther NSDAP,
The IFL policy was quite simple. just tell people the truth.
 
Sean475 said:
IMO Arnold Leese was the man who could have saved us from the world we live in today, this was
why Sir Oswald Mosley was put in place to stop him, as well as the likes of Henry Hamilton Beamish & the expert
monetary reformer Arthur Kitson, before the Imperial Fascist League grew so much support that it was anther NSDAP,
The IFL policy was quite simple. just tell people the truth.

Would it be fair to assume Racial-Fascism i.e. Leese's Fascists view i.e. IFL is simply NS without stating Socialist as you put it?

In other words reading your second post whereby you outline the IFL expression of charter. It sounds precisely what NSDAP was saying in Germany.

IF anything it seems less Fascist and more National Socialist rather it's name is simply to eliminate the stigma of Marxist/Communism/Socialism.

I don't know I'm extremely confused. On one hand we aren't Fascist on another Arnold Leese's IFL principle reading that tidbit of it, is so sound and so correct of what I read that it seems like it's simply National Socialism with a Fascist coat of paint on i.e. We say Fascist to penetrate into the masses and those patriotics but we really mean National Socialism.

Is it possible Leese understood Fascism has really no place any further going and saw NS as a more astute system of cooperative understanding?

In other words he understands Fascist help the World by containing communism hence why I said the (NATO/OTAN) of anti-Communism. But realized after a while that Fascism's World-View is too limited and construed to the state only rather than the individual.

I'm not saying Fascism is anti-personnel rather it seems the buck stops at a certain point and doesn't progress further. For example some have criticized Mussolini for wanting to expand into Africa to re-create the Roman Empire. Why push into other races territory. Hitler understood this in Mein Kampf as "We cannot keep this colonization process it ruined us in the Great War". Hitler basically understood keep it's negroid colonies and certain colonies in the Pacific rather than focus on mainland Europe was it's downfall. Probably made Hitler realize more the internationalist element is the problem.

:? I read that bit of Leese and now I want to know more about this. As he understood NS is the avenue of a superior system.
 
Yes without a doubt in Leese's case Racial-Fascism was NS.

Re Mussolini & Mosley's version, I would say they would be the equivalent of today's 'Civic Nationalism'
they give the impression they're for the better of the nation but still conveniently include a certain group,
I don't believe Mussolini's 1938 racial laws were genuine & were probably nothing more than to make the
Germans believe they were going down their road.....I mean who would wait 10+ years to bring in such
Laws, if you were genuine you would have done it from day 1, as Leese would have done.
 
Arnold Leese was the mentor of Colin Jordan who led the likes of the National Socialist Movement & White Defence League & was one of the leaders of the World Union of National Socialists, so Leese was obviously along the same lines as the NSDAP, as you mention it was just a case that at the time Leese disliked the term Socialism as he see it as linked to Marxism/Communism.
 
It would be unfair to lump Leese in with Mosley and Mussolini, he detested Mosley & immediately
labelled him and his party Kosher Fascists. And Mussolini, he went from admiring him to denouncing
him as a Pro-semite..........Mussolini was an MI5 agent at the end of WW1, I suspect they reactivated an
old agent, as he was nothing but a hindrance to the Germans.
 
III. THE IMPERIAL FASCIST LEAGUE

THIS League was formed in 1928 by patriots believing that Democracy
is incapable of statesmanship and is a tool to alien money influences. Its
members had already put into practice their beliefs when they joined a
body which, from the first, repudiated Committee Management, and
refused membership to anyone of known Jewish blood. The capital of the
organisation was £5, derived from the funds of “The Fascist League," a
temporary makeshift which preceded it.
Every true Fascist movement has to undergo a long period of trial, during
which Adventurers, Melancholic Intellectuals, Wasters and Careerists
have to be gradually identified and eliminated. From the first, Race was
recognised as the true basis of politics, the declared object of our Fascist
politics being "to preserve British character and to allow it to evolve in
accordance with British tradition." From the first, the declared object of
our Fascist economics was "to make Finance the servant of industry
instead of its master." In pursuit of both these main fundamentals of
statecraft, it was recognised that there could be no compromise. In both
cases, the enemy, we found, was the Jew; and the more we learned, the
more obvious that fact became to us.
This brought the Imperial Fascist League right up against the World
Money Power from the beginning. At first, and for years, that Power
fought us with the passive weapon of the Gag; all ordinary means of
publicity were closed to us except those known by the enemy to be futile,
and only the roughest pioneering work could be offered to our recruits,
work calling for great personal sacrifices of time and money, exposure to
assault and Insult, to say nothing of ridicule.
Knowing nothing of journalism, we established The Fascist in March,
1929, and sold it on the streets. We sold it in such quantities that we
actually made it help to pay the rent of our Headquarters.
During the first five years of our existence, only once did our funds in
hand reach the sum of £100. On the other hand, one of the few rules of
our organisation is that no liability must be incurred which is not covered
beforehand by cash in hand. Consequently, we never were in debt.
Every opportunity for useful publicity of the lasting sort was taken,
provided the cost was within our slender means.
We did not set out with the idea of toning down our aims and policy to
make them popular in the eyes of that very democracy which has proved
its incapacity to judge policies or even to appreciate statesmanship. That
way, we knew, leads to compromise and untruth. We set out, knowing
that we had something to teach, and that practically the whole Aryan
population of the British Empire would have to be pupils. High endeavour,
on five pounds!

No one but a fool, under these circumstances, would expect rapid progress;
but many fools there were, and still are, who taunted us with standing still
and doing nothing ; these people are Judaised fools, recognising what they
think is progress only in display, “demonstrations” of large numbers of
like fools, and advertisement in a Jew-controlled Press!
Among our recruits, we found that only one out of every ten has it in him
to be a useful pioneer. The other nine belonged to that category that hears
a Fascist speaker or reads a Fascist pamphlet, gets excited, joins up,
samples a bit of work, and then, like the “old soldier” simply fades away.
The utter contempt which nine men out of ten had for their own signature
on our enrolment forms was something new to us. The majority of these
people did their “fading away” without even the decent formality of
resigning. The type they represent has always been the nomadic portion
of the movement, and although it often has good qualities, it is never the
best type. It is unstable ; in particular, we find, the Mediterranean racial
type of recruit is incapable of a prolonged strain or effort, although his
work may be brilliant whilst he is with us.
Very early in our experience, we found that this nine-tenths could only he
permanently attached as long as the other tenth exerted itself to amuse
them, and as we had neither money nor leisure to undertake the
manufactured “activities” which would keep them amused, we came to
regard it as inevitable that they were only temporary members and that it
was an uneconomical form of effort to attempt to keep them. In any ease,
we knew that when we got the Money, we could, if we wished, always
get these men again, for what they are worth, with the rest of the ‘mob.’
The real strength of a growing Fascist Movement is permanently with the
minority of members in it. It is not just a matter of brains, but of balance
and of character. The one-tenth which make up the Inner Circle of the
Imperial Fascist League is composed of far-sighted people of Character
who, knowing themselves to be right in their support of the League take
no notice of" the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune “and carry on
in the face of apparently overwhelming odds because their racial instincts
give them no other choice. That is the spirit of the true aristocrat, and we
care little from what class our “tenth men” spring; they are Nature’s
gentlemen, at any rate.

The Imperial Fascist League is founded on solid rock as regards both
policy and personnel. Every attempt has been made to smash it, the
methods including attempted assaults, threats to murder, and attempted
murder, in which the dupes of the Mosley Movement had their share.
Every method has been used to silence it, including the formation of
competing Bastard Fascist Movements, Masonic or Judaic; but all in vain.
The Fascist now goes everywhere, and is soon followed by our other
literature. In every Dominion, we have active workers, and all who deal
with us know that we cannot be bought and that there is no compromise.
We never stooped to the miserable subterfuge of making ourselves a
Limited Company. We stand up to our own obligations and responsibilities
without succumbing to this legalised dishonesty.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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